Don't Trust Watch Reviewers- Take EVERYTHING w/ A Grain Of Salt PART 1 (Ciga Great Ape Review)

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

They sent me one. It had a screw missing. I sent it back. Good video as always mate!

[@thetimeteller]

You’re the best to ever do it, brother!! 🤘

[@wittmanist]

You mean all the social influencers telling me a $200 fashion watch I can get on Ali unbranded for $15 isn't the greatest watch ever? You mean a new kickstarter model suddenly exploding over 30 watch review channels within a week of each other might have been sent for a kick-back/fee? No way dude. I don't believe a word of it. I can't wait to get the faux-gold tooby-yon mechaquartz super calander moonphase world timer I ordered from Fillipo Laranzeti of China for just 2k 😀

[@OldManTimeAudits]

🤑🤑🤑🤑💵💵💵🆕🆕🆗

[@lonewolfemcquade8133]

🤣😅

[@RogerSartet007]

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

[@brianmsahin]

😂😂😂😂😂👍

[@e28forever30]

Brilliant! 👍

[@garryc7506]

This brand screwed me. I was a super early backer. Ordered a titanium, they sent me a black steel (I paid more for Ti). Wouldn't exchange unless I paid to send back at my expense and even then, they couldn't confirm if I'd ever get a replacement back. Luckily some poor soul bought the steel one off ebay from me

[@Ktrb]

Typical of Chinese sellers. I had similar experience with San Martin.

[@CBRboy1717]

Yeah but they were refunding that shipping. It happened to me too. They did refund the $18 in shipping via PayPal.

[@RaphaelRousseau]

I was a backer for the titanium blue version, the delivery was delayed, and I finally received a red stainless steel one (in France). I asked for help on their FB page. They finally answered me (and the rest went by email). I was asked to ship mine to an Italian backer who would send me the blue titanium he received instead of the SS he had backed. I did it, the Italian guy sent me his, Ciga Design refunded me relatively quickly. Eventhough I got the piece I had backed, I was disappointed, since they changed the design from the one I had been seduced by: a blue (visible) plate had finally not been made in blue, just plain metal, which removed some colour from the overall watch. The blue has different shades on the inside compared to the case parts and screws. The strap is not my cup of tea, and the time itself is hardly readable. Overall, a very bad experience with the brand and the product.

[@CBRboy1717]

@@RaphaelRousseau yeah the color mismatch is partially why I sold my purple version. The screws and crown were the deep purple that were advertised and lured me in. But the lume color was so light it was almost pink. It looked all wrong during daylight. Plus that awful spinning rotor noise…

[@fubarmodelyard1392]

Wait for the spaghetti scametti. Then you'll have something. In the meantime an urban sombrero would be perfect with the urban bag

[@Olddirtytiger]

I would buy a Ciga Design maybe not that one but they are an interesting brand, alot of them complaints look like the same ppl multiple times ...also sometimes I notice dumb comments in the past like" oh my watch stopped working after 2 days " when they haven't realised its an auto or mechanical .... some ppl are just dumb

[@Ben_M_D]

If anything, you are being nice, as opposed to harsh. Considering the comments you read, I would have been more harsh, similarly to talking about Seiko or Rolex. I like that you only spoke about your personal experience with the watch, itself. The way you presented the comments was also truthful, yet very diplomatic. I especially appreciate simply reading comments verbatim without your own "commentary on the comments", if that makes sense.

[@jeremymenning56]

Hey Jory... can you recommend a watch to survive an international thermo nuclear conflagration? Asking for a friend. Thanks.

[@Bhatakti_Hawas]

G-Shock

[@Olddirtytiger]

🎶🎶Aint nuttin nut a G thing baaaby🎶🎶 G Shock all the way

[@davidbridge5652]

GWM5610 solar, mine is all ready to go for the end of the world

[@brianmsahin]

G-Shock Mudmaster.....I actually dropped mine when mountaineering, took it off to use the compass, fell about 60 or 70 metres, bouncing it's way on rock on the way down, just a few scuffs on the case!

[@shahzadeshtiak]

LoL What good would be that watch if your friend doesn't survive?

[@michaelzuccardo5414]

I've had a titanium Ciga for about two years, I don't wear it very often, but when I do, I've had no issue. Mine has a Seagull auto movement, not sure which, but it's hackable.

[@mallek1989]

I’ve had a great ape for a while now. The titanium and blue one. The straps kinda suck, but it’s a cool watch. The lume is trash, but for the price, it’s a great buy (assuming you like skeleton). I didn’t have any issues with any of the cigas I’ve bought. I got mine off Amazon.

[@neildcosta5932]

Thank you for highlighting real issues faced by Ciga Design watch buyers. I was about to buy the MY Series watch (costing as much as a good and trusted Seiko!!!) and would have definitely wasted my money, given the fact that their responses to complaints is reportedly poor.

[@Sup_ERS_Tar]

I don't recall Formex mentioning a type of car suspension on which they based their springy casey thing-a-ma-jiggy, so CIGA Design might be doing some linguistic gymnastics with the claim about the suspension system.

[@trwilliams22]

Mercedes says it’s proprietary

[@watch-box]

You literally say what every reviewer says. "The fact that I was sent this watch for free, will not influence my review." So why should we not trust watch reviewers? Isn't that what you go on to do? Should we not trust this video? We as customers and viewers watch many reviewers and learn to trust some and ignore others....obviously. Clickbait title.

[@michaels5166]

BAD ROBOT..exactly..It' s called contradiction and nonsense, and yes,I did call him out for it. After I smashed every single point to bits, he wrote back, 'TLDR". Like I told him, if you can talk at length it makes logical sense I can write back at length. So I tend not to trust biased folks who do not stand by their own words.

[@michaels5166]

To add to that,why is it these 'reviewers' all say the same exact myths and so called complaints? ALL of them are like sheep, not one original crybaby 'point'. They fail to comprehend that our opinions are not a review,it's only an opinion.Last yet not least,i have put this question/statement to all of them. How come if you are so much an expert, no watch company hired YOU to design, market, nor conceptualize any watch???How come if you are such watch experts, none of you make watches??????ALL you together are nothing but broke jokes and clowns compared to Invicta.ALL of you will never, ever confront an Invicta watch enthusiast and trash his watch in person.

[@dennisbroekhoven6367]

Your reading the suspension part wrong. They're not claiming to be the first to make a suspension system for watch. They're saying theirs is using an SUV (the automobile) suspension design making that the worlds first. But in that being said this watch is UAF

[@RogerSartet007]

UAF as in 'oerlelijk'? Right you are, brother

[@jrgdrumsandwatches]

What about Certina and their DS concept? The movement is literally suspended in the case. I mean they put their watches in a rally car wheel and in a ice hockey puck to show their shock resistance and reliability. G-shock what?

[@brianmsahin]

Yes it will certainly take shocks quite well but not sure if it would survive the tests that G-Shocks are put through. Looking at the design I can't imagine it surviving the 70m drop from a mountain precipice that my Mudmaster survived, even the promo video is pretty tame stuff, didn't see anything that a Seiko Tuna wouldn't handle with ease. It's a pretty tough dive watch alright but let's see it fall from s building flat on its face. The video was more marketing fluff than anything. Even the part when they swing a metal block at it , it doesn't fall on the ground, it gets knocked into a nice soft comfortable blanket. A G-Shock has a pretty good chance of surviving being run over by an SUV. The Certina definitely won't. I would take all that with a grain of salt my friend.

[@garylawton230]

Why make a watch that takes you 5 minutes to figure out what time it is? Who makes the hands the same colour as the background? 😳

[@RogerSartet007]

You must mean 'what time it was' ;-)

[@SpongeBob-xh8ir]

​@@RogerSartet007😂😂😂

[@benficaM8888]

I actually lost respect to one of the youtube reviewers, that I've been watching for years, and always thought he's legit. When he's start shilling this watch.

[@omar10213245]

Who?

[@hillogical]

@@omar10213245 The Time Teller

[@drdesign6886]

Why did you blur out the brands replies to those comments? Surely if you wanted to be fair you would show that for balance. Keen to know how many negative comments out of the total comments - all key to know the scale of the problems. I had to send a Tudor back and get a refund because it broke - twice. Garbage. Is Tudor now garbage? I won’t buy another for sure but I also know most people love their Tudors. I think this review was incredibly unbalanced - and I hate CiGa watches.

[@mrGeekykidRET]

Hello Time Teller! When wil you disclose that the Squale review some months ago was paid? When will you return those watches? Is this «review» paid?

[@thetimeteller]

Hey! It was disclosed as per KZbin’s ‘Paid Partnership guidelines!’ I suggest you rewatch the episode! Also, we had already shipped the watches back to Korea! Thanks for the comment:)

[@mrGeekykidRET]

@@thetimeteller Ah got it. Guess I missed that disclosure. But when did you send them back then? Read somewhere you were asked to do it months ago heh.

[@JustMeTalking]

When I glance at my watch... if I can't instantly tell where the hour and minute hand are pointing... it's a fail. Trying to tell the time on this thing, is like staring into a tool box for the same result.

[@tooslow8150]

Ciga screwed me as well. Sent me one with a barely functioning movement. They said I need to send them 6 pictures of the brand new watch and high Def video of the semi running watch. I did, now they don't respond and the customer service email changed. The website no.longer had a service contact just sales and pr. Total junk Chinese movement.

[@larryfromwisconsin9970]

3 ATM water resistance with a rubber waffle strap? Thanks for an honest review.

[@FS-zn9xe]

Interesting video on Ciga Design. Just seen one the other day from Watchfinder, reviewing the Ciga Design Blue Planet and was surprised to learn that it even won the GPHG?!

[@ShashankashekharDutta]

I was surprised as well.

[@giovanniyorke7455]

I was considering this watch but I will go with the Boderry skeleton watch instead. It looks better and have better reviews👍

[@Ktrb]

Better reviews. ROFTL 🤣

[@endlessrage4062]

Great video again. I do love your uploads, it’s great to hear some integrity from a watch review channel and the humorous aspect makes it fun too. Keep up the great work buddy!

[@MyAffordableWatchCollection]

Don't trust us guys 😁

[@donaldoxley1222]

I'm confused, l thought the video was about watch reviews, and the reviewers, however, it turned out only to be a review of the Ciga. Am l missing something ?

[@thetimeteller]

It’s showcasing the fact that watch reviewers only spend a certain amount of time with a watch- and actual owners of a watch can have very different experiences. Take EVERYTHING with a grain of salt. (This is only Part 1 of this episode btw) stay tuned!

[@kevinmarble5260]

Without a closer look, it appears there are few jewels. EYE would take advantage of skeleton design concepts with decorative adds and LUME in places that would make interesting patterns in the dark but legibility is still a huge issue with the current hands.

[@lonewolfemcquade8133]

Not a fan of skeleton watches either but I do like the small open heart tri color Zenith chronomaster though but that's as far as I go . Great video brotha 👌 and PS we need your honest opinions it's a rare trait 😉 on KZbin

[@el_puma_real]

I don't like skeletonized watches either, but I wouldn't chalk that up as a con. That's a personal preference. But yeah, I wouldn't buy this watch on reviews alone, too many red flags.

[@thetimeteller]

That’s kinda the whole point, dude. These reviews are from one guy’s perspective. So, that being said, skeletonized design is a con.

[@dennisbroekhoven6367]

@@thetimeteller actually to do a proper reviews you can't be biased. If it being skeleton is hindering the movement or causing a technical problem with the watch then yes its a con.

[@thetimeteller]

I never claimed to not be biased- I claim to make content as I see it.

[@2650josh]

The indegogo campaign was huge. Thousands of watches sold. Of the thousands sold there has to be a few hundred that have issues, its the same for any product, any brand at any price.

[@KillingTimeWithNorman]

Regarding its looks, it's always interesting being sent a watch to review that you personally don't care for. But it's cool seeing pieces you otherwise wouldn't experience - for that reason. Great review! And good on you for informing us about the comments etc!

[@Northanteus]

Why do so many people want to kill time? Leave time alone. Let time live! TIME LIVES MATTER!

[@ErikL727]

I have a Z-series in Titanium. It's entertaining to look at and runs with Seiko-like accuracy. I don't wear it outside of the house much, to avoid having it mistaken as something else 🔫

[@brianmsahin]

Excellent video. I have noticed quite a few reviewers plugging this company. I was never convinced. The fancy boxes etc have a Filipo Loreti vibe. I have a Chinese skeletonised pocket watch that looks exactly like this thing without the rotor. It is well packaged rubbish. You probably got sent a well assembled example that won't fall apart straight away while the customers get shafted by having the problems highlighted on the comments. I don't know how many people would be tempted to buy a watch having read that. As for this watch,I know Jordy seemed to not hate it, but for me it looks like a piece of 🦆.

[@PlugInRides]

I'm not sure why CIGA Design even needs to launch on IndieGoGo. Unfortunately, Kickstarter and IndieGoGo used to be used primarily to launch new brands, but now they are being used by brands with deep pockets, just to drive sales through a FOMO campaign. CIGA Design is actually owned by a huge Chinese conglomerate, Xiaomi. Xiaomi produces all types of consumer electronics and small appliances. Watches and smart bands are just a small fraction of their business. In August, 2021, Xiaomi became the largest, global seller of smart phones. As for their watches, I don't own one, but they do use good quality components. The skeleton movements are Sea-Gull ST2553JK, custom calibers designs for CIGA. In general, the Sea-Gull ST25 family of movements have proven to be some of the most reliable Chinese movements, validating Sea-Gulls, clean sheet design. I have seen CIGA Design watches sell at, or slightly below there IndieGoGo campaign prices, during on of the major AliExpress annual sales. In addition to the more flamboyant, CIGA Design watch models, Xiaomi also produces lesser known, "TwentySeventeen" watches, with mostly "homage" designs.

[@tmoh99]

That’s a purse. Ciga is a dumb name. Ciga Design is even dumber. Wu Tang is forever.

[@Olddirtytiger]

Wu Tang is indeed forever 🙌 zuuuuuuuuuuu!!

[@apan1981]

Hello Time Teller! I would like you to talk about how the Ukrainian-Russian conflict coud affect de prices of russian watches like Vostok. I would like you to analyse if it's a good time to buy a russian watch. I bought one. I think It may be difficult to get them later.

[@RogerSartet007]

The Nekkid Watch maker also got sent one of their designs. He restores watches, doesn't really do reviews. So he immediately started disassembling it. Hilarious. Looks like pure kitsch to me

[@a_z.tazzzfan8497]

Just went over & watched the vid. Hilarious in the fact that he dismantled the model that won a design award 😂. His method for extracting the movement was ingenious.

[@RogerSartet007]

@@a_z.tazzzfan8497 Just pump in some air in there and boom....LMAO :-)

[@Unkn0wn1133]

Yes it seemed like when he contacted them,they were trying to convince him not to open it up.

[@CBRboy1717]

I was a backer. It was the first watch I bought before falling deep into the watch hobby. I ordered a base model and somehow received a titanium model. My dumbass returned the higher priced titanium model for the cheaper SS model that I originally ordered. I liked how the titanium model wore, the SS felt a little more unwieldy and bulky. Unfortunately, the free spinning rotor in the watch drove me absolutely crazy. If you flicked your wrist just the right way, you could hear that sucker spin away. I sold it for basically what I got it for….

[@cuckooforwatches382]

I don't think your being to harsh. Thanks for telling it how you see it. I actually like the look of the Ciga watches but it seems that the customer service needs some improvement.

[@stevelufc64]

I got the z series dlc have to say got everything I ordered watch runs good and has for the 8 months I've had it the design is not for everyone but I like it .

[@jack002tuber]

I like it. I'd buy it and wear it, only one thing (and you never mentioned it) I can't read the time on it. The hands are lost in the busy background. If I can't tell time with it easily, what's it good for?

[@jdiluigi]

"Dare to be capricious".. Did they look at the dictionary definition. Why would anyone try to be like that. I avoid people with that type of behavior. Could just be me.🤷‍♂️

[@timmoffatt9504]

I've been watching you for two years and this is the first time I saw you reviewing comments. Obviously you're not a fan of Chinese watches. That's cool. I find them quite good for the most part. I expect you to review comments for micro-brands and "real" watch companies moving forward. After all, you want to be fair to all parties.

[@zsfreestyles2007]

48mm wtf? That's like putting a seiko into an oversized box case

[@lavawolf666]

Looks difficult to read. If someone really want it Buy it on Amazon. If anything is wrong let them deal with the problem.

[@IndyGuy65]

I think I was a tv Judge that said run, run as fast as you can away from that watch!

[@penta688]

3 ATM ???? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Ephem13]

My personal process (for almost anything edc related) is watch reviews from reviewers that have earned my trust. Then I search high and low for comments from actual customers. Then, if at all possible, I try and get the item in hand before I buy. Finally, I buy from a reputable dealer or the very least Amazon because of the return policy. The way this company is ghosting customers is not a good sign.

[@murp61]

It looks like a watch the could be from the futuristic 1927 silent film "Metropolis".

[@ImTheDudeMan471]

I never understood the insistence (by professors) on calling what you're selling/recommending, a "product". It immediately puts it in the generic schlepping classification. If it's a watch, don't call it a product. How can it have added value if it's generic?

[@shl24yw89]

I won't buy a watch without any marker. It couldn't even tell the time.

[@bigcosta3478]

Are you talking about Hodinkee ? There's never a negative watches review!

[@sopapillas6398]

Hey now, they may not have been the first with a suspension system, but they are the first inspired by PREMIUM SUVS

[@aimanyunus8728]

i literally have the same bellroy as yours, but mine are not as fresh anymore

[@birdytiger]

So your saying..... Buy this from AliExpress!

[@thomaswinans7096]

Hey man, Off subject.... Is concord still ticking?? Had the rectangle mariner. 1st watch...girlfriend gift.. I liked it.... You??

[@kevinblankenburg4816]

When I want to buy a nice, good value for money watch, I end up at Oris. This looks like 15 year old to me.

[@KalElinabox]

The cheapest Ciga watches start at less than 100 bucks and the cheapest Oris is 750 dollars. They aren't comparable.

[@Ratchetfan321]

Award winning company lol

[@dwglsmo]

Two big cons: 1. The size. 48 x 48 is rediculous. I'd feel like I was wearing a clown watch. I don't care how big your wrist is, that just looks stupid. 2. You can't read the time. The skeletonization combined with the skeletonized hands make it impossible to tell the time at a glance. Not only would I not buy this watch, I wouldn't accept it even if they gave it to me.

[@rodneykinnaird640]

3 atm is tooooo low

[@JS-ev4xc]

Quite Richard Mille vibe but with its own originality. Surprised that the after sale service by Indigogo is so bad, Ciga Design is one of the rare China brands that do not do homage and even earn international awards for their design.

[@MrJtrot90]

Oh man! Bellroy makes fantastic, top notch quality leather products. I've owned one of their wallets for nearly 10 years and yes its worse for wear but what doesn't age with daily usage?

[@finickybits8055]

So they make Aliexpress trash, and also win GPHG 2021? Fricking bizarre.

[@jasoncotugno211]

Jory what happened to the lume test!!!

[@Bill_the_Terrible]

The premium SUV they based the anti-shock system was probably a Land Rover. Will also leave a little oil spill where you left it on the table. Sorry T3. Just kidding

[@scottsj4625]

This is why microbrands scare me off is like you could see this company is not backing its product or even answering complaints.

[@Isaac-px4wy]

Can that watch get ran over by a truck 🚚 like a G-SHOCK can? Then we'll talk innovative 💡

[@ciscoytube5352]

Nice purse bro.

[@michaelhorn5491]

You're not being too harsh. A person would be foolish NOT to consider customer comments. I will always check out the 1-2 star reviews on Amazon. Often it's obvious the reviewer isn't smart enough to operate or care for a wristwatch, but if the same themes are being repeated often enough, that should be a BIG red flag.

[@markbyrum4743]

Tell it like it is, brother!

[@themuslimchad2104]

Will you do diesel watch

[@MegaSale89]

Anything that says Design on it, is an immediate NO from me!

[@endlessrage4062]

That’s a lovely purse, Jory. 😉😉😂

[@NoMoneyHubby]

Its sad that in 2022 part of me is worried all those indigogo comments about the watch just "not working" are from ppl that dont understand where the power comes from on a mechanical watch and just think if it stopped then its dead

[@a_z.tazzzfan8497]

Nailed it. Review right on point.

[@dougford3359]

Cons are not personal preference bro.

[@ThinkingAndInkingLtd]

As a rule, I 100% agree with your stance, most of the time. I hate this watch. But if they 'paid/sponsored' you to review it, I think you should have given it the same 'time of day' as you would, say a Steinhart or a Zelos, which you haven't - it did not feel like a Microbrand Monday even. If they didn't compensate you financially fair fucks. However, if they did and you didn't like it, you could have turned it down. Who makes the movement; is there any lume etc? That said, IMHO it's testicular. Rest of the time, you're deffo one of the best utoobers. Cheers

[@mudson7380]

Watch collectors can be a bitchy, finicky bunch. I often take the comments section of an indiegogo campaign with a grain of salt. That being said, even if every commenter was grossly exaggerating the problem, it still points to a widespread QC problem at Ciga. Unresponsive customer service is also a big no-no. One of the typical benefits of watch crowdfunding campaigns is that it gets you closer to the watchmaker.

[@Simplicimus1945]

How about reviewing a gmt?

[@RootBeerGMT]

No thanks re the man purse dude.

[@jefferyneu3915]

The look is ‘interesting’. It would be better if I could actually tell time with it. That, along with all the negative comments equal a hard pass.

[@harjitsingh-lc6cu]

go to 2.5 mins avoid greedy man ad

[@desertdog5397]

MY WALLET WAS MADE BY THEM...

[@werdsfrghnwyrjuw2q3]

Oh you sugarcoated the Casio G-Shock HBD-1000... Be honest :) That thing is nowhere near as good as a REAL fitness watch...

[@richardharris2042]

All watch reviews are a bit meh to be honest, especially when it comes to dive watches. None of them take the case back off, see the quality of the movement holder and pull the crown out and show us where and how many gaskets it has. It's unbelievable, any other industry would strip the product down. Saying its an awesome dive watch and knowing nothing about the gaskets on the crown and stem is pathetic. The industry needs to do better.

[@stephenlau9290]

All the gears other than the escapement look fake/decorative.

[@timlodge8267]

Next your been sponsored by Hubot…

[@Oscar42o]

This video is apparently an invitation for Sinophobia comments

[@bigsmooshflopdong33]

Yo bellroy is great, been using their wallets for years now. Good shit.

[@JeeGee114]

You know the design is shit if they print the word design on the watch dial.

[@zsfreestyles2007]

I almost bought a ciga but after doing some research it's really just a smashed up design that's a money grab

[@watchhobbywithdannythemedic]

Cant trust a thing that comes outta your mouth!

[@brianortega6726]

Que bonita cartera, hay para hombres?

[@erickobetitsch6055]

Sounds to me like this watch company is marketing to soy boy, skinny jean, latte sipping, Subaru driving hipsters who think this is a cool watch. -15 +30? Jeez, a mickey mouse watch does better. You know where I stand.

[@ajbones4207]

Nah ! not for me. I kinda hate these gimmick watches and this is as visually revolting as Richard Mille and Hublot. Just my opinion though. Why would anybody call this thing a watch when you cant accurately tell the time on it. This is visual mechanical Vomit.

[@user-jx9eg1bd2p]

There are some watches whose gimmicks are greater than practicality, but some of them blend very well. Maybe you haven't seen any better watches for the time being.

[@kevincorkery6292]

POS! Also without any markers, indices it can be hard to judge the time.

[@danli1178]

Whole video talking about the indiegogo comment or you like skeleton watch or not.. honestly I didn’t hear much actual ‘review’ about the watch😢

[@markbailey2713]

A fool and their money are easily parted.

[@watchmaster968]

I’ve never trusted any reviewer plugging any product. I watch to see nice timepieces I might buy. I’m laughing at your recommendations most of the time. Most watch collectors have vast more knowledge.

[@thomashood6551]

The title makes us feel like, all the other watch reviewers are not worthy of trust, except him🙂

[@agronkondakdzija4322]

This watch looks like bell ross but very cheap made