Don't underestimate this camera! - Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K

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We take a first look at the new Cinema Camera 6K from Blackmagic. Their new Full Frame, L mount, affordable cinema camera.
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:06 Footage
01:53 Sensor
04:10 L Mount
05:45 Physical Design
08:32 Conclusion
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[@aaronkessler2857]

Am I the only one who values color science above built in NDs and a box body?

[@watzmaaname]

🙋

[@andyelement]

For me colour science is everything. My video choices are thr BMPCC6K and Fuji XS20. That Flog-2 is looovely

[@aaronkessler2857]

@@andyelement I have my eye on the RED Komodo right now. My pocket 4K doesn’t come close to it in terms of accurate/pleasing color.

[@andyelement]

@aaronkessler2857 I think if the time comes for me to upgrade to a true cinema system, it'd be ARRI. Obviously REDs are ace but I hear horror stories about the user experiencing

[@OrigEntertainmentOfficial]

Great video as usual. Folks that criticize this camera have unrealistic expectations for the price point. This is a great value camera. Of course there are compromises at this price point. There are compromises at every price point.

[@carlyates2487]

Thanks for watching! I agree, expectations are everything when looking at this camera.

[@ozzmanzz]

Compromise… except in image quality

[@JericTamayo]

I'm really glad that they have the L mount because from what I've heard dji and Panasonic are teaming up to put the Lidar AF system directly onto the camera itself. If Black Magic can obtain a firmware update that can use the lumix lenses with the Lidar for auto focusing, then this camera is going to be an amazing gear to have.

[@watzmaaname]

Great breakdown!

[@AbdonPhirathon]

This camera that punches way above its weight, especially at that price point. Thanks for the review.

[@carlyates2487]

Thanks for watching!

[@michaeljoseph8223]

Great to come along to open day at ProAV today and to look/tryout 6K FF close up plus chat to BMD team as well ProAV. The camera is a tool the real job is your imagination and creativity

[@ProAVTV]

Thanks for coming!

[@OfTwoLands]

Loving this new cam so far!!

[@carlyates2487]

Thanks for watching!

[@MtZionMediaPro]

Honestly, people that complain about the body style don't understand the purpose of this camera. At the price point, they're definitely reusing the housing that they've already designed to keep the cost down. In addition, no other camera offers the picture quality Black Magic offers with literally no rigging needed. Quite exceptional if you ask me! At the price point, you can buy this camera, a lens, & a CF Express card and immediately start capturing amazing footage! Not to mention DaVinci resolve studio comes with it for free!!

[@watzmaaname]

Hi there, thanks! A quick question - how does one know which modes use the full sensor and which ones are cropped in by the camera? Are all 4K modes cropped in? I thought it was just the S35 4:3 mode.

[@MrZerosami2]

Maybe a box shaped design or something more like a balanced slr body for easier gimbal operation and handheld rigging for us solo shooters

[@MattQuattro]

Great video team! I'm extremely impressed by what Blackmagic has done at this price point. While I have my reservations with the design, to have RAW, full frame, open gate 6K for a camera that costs less than $4K Australian is something we could've only dreamed about a few years back. It's not for everyone, but it makes a true cinema camera much more accessible for many.

[@carlyates2487]

Exactly, thank you for watching!

[@suatsekil]

thanks this is the video all about my question

[@carlyates2487]

Thanks for watching!

[@Stondiexd]

when does this begin shipping? All I see from US retailers is that its only available for preorder

[@carlyates2487]

First batch is currently expected here on the 16th October

[@jasp2003]

Does it fit into the tilta cage for the 6k pro?

[@DeanHarringtonimages]

A great camera and great value!

[@carlyates2487]

Thanks for watching!

[@MacDonaldArthur]

Great camera

I think the problem with this camera is that almost nobody who has Pocket 4K, 6K G2, 6K PRO said "I need more quality picture from my camera". People need a different body design, reliable AF, cheap and easy to use storage, a bit more dynamic range, much better battery life. Blackmagic could design smaller buttonless camera with detachable 5inch tilting display, reliable AF, real 2-3H battery life, which would work with SD cards (for 10 bit h265) and CFexpress type B (for BRAW). They could made MFT and FF options with additional PRO line which would have builtin NDs, viewfinder and more professional ports like XLR and full quality output to video assist for additional redundancy or higher frame rates options.

[@thatcameranerd]

Looks great can't wait to get my hands on one! 😀

[@carlyates2487]

Lets make that happen!

[@ZWAmundson]

Wow. What a very fair, kind, and honest coverage. So refreshing and nice to see.

[@watzmaaname]

Agreed!

[@CINENIMUS]

An ad you meant? Lol

[@suatsekil]

I like the Blackmagic Design

[@carlyates2487]

Thanks for watching!

[@Simple-Brian]

Great review as always, and what is the name of that song in this review?

[@carlyates2487]

Thanks for watching! Its a song called Pillar by Shimmer which we got from Soundstripe

[@Simple-Brian]

thank you @@carlyates2487

[@KaarloMedia]

I was at an invitational event today which had the camera to play with and test out. The only thing I wanted to test is the rolling shutter performance since the numbers are a bit alarming. In practice, my concerns were justified. From 50mm and up the rolling shutter effect is prohibitively strong, I'd even say that it ruins the camera for anything else than static shots and relatively slow subjects. Everything else about the camera I love, the image quality, OLPF and the plethora of aspect ratios especially. This is a shame, since I'm a big fan of BM and use several of their products.

[@mr.frandy7692]

Can it be fixed in post or is it not salvageable? I know it's kind of an extra step and pain in the A$$ etc

[@KaarloMedia]

@@mr.frandy7692 Post can fix most things but it's all about time and money. For me it wouldn't be worth it. There are too many options in the market to mull over this single product for too long. Any camera needs to be versatile and adaptable in the current landscape, but with a clear large flaw like this it diminishes that versatility. Sure, the price is low and the image is great, but you can always wait for the next one.

[@geoffreybassett6741]

@@mr.frandy7692 You can fix it in a pan, anything handheld or tilting forget about it.

[@mr.frandy7692]

okay good to know@@geoffreybassett6741

[@robertniessner554]

You can use the gyro stabilization in Resolve at its minimal settings and that will remove the rolling shutter only.

[@BadMantraFilms]

this comment section is driving me insane lmao. so many people missing the entire point of this camera

[@BadMantraFilms]

also would love to see a comparison between this and an s5iix in terms of the difference in the OLPF in real world use and the flexibility of BRAW vs in internal capabilities of the panasonic.

[@KallusGarnet]

Looks amazing but sadly its not for me, thanks Carl for the review and Blackmagic design for creating this product.

[@piotrszubryt1510]

So you cant record 4k without crop, anymore? :(

[@georgewoolf6300]

Looks like a perfect A camera for any 6K or 6K Pro owners needing FF.

[@ScandinavianCoward]

I am confused as to why they didn't call it the "Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K FF" when there is already the "Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K (G2)" and "Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K Pro"? Otherwise, it seems to produce gorgeous images. Of course, some of us would love continous AF and ND for convenience...

[@AbdonPhirathon]

The previous ones had the word “Pocket” in the name, this one does not.

[@ScandinavianCoward]

@@AbdonPhirathon I didn’t even notice! 😅 But I guess it makes sense. It hasn’t really been pocketable since the first generation BMPCC (2013).

[@whyjaywonders]

Davinci Studio is free with this camera, no need of external recorder, no need of external monitor, no need to XLR adaptor/recorder, almost any existing lens can be adapted to the existing L mount.

[@geoffreybassett6741]

After the great tech of the 12K it's extremely dissapointing to see the same poor rolling shutter sensor from the S1H in here. Had they upped the price to $4000 and put the Sensor from the MAVO LF II in there I and many others would buy it in a heart beat. Also the removal of 1080p ProRes in full sensor width means it's unusable for a lot of work I do. Great image, but a step back in almost every other area.

[@DeanHarringtonimages]

I actually appreciate the fact that the camera looks like a DSLR. The reason is that you don't look like a professional and are ignored by the police and subjects when shooting in public on the streets. The form factor does not bother me at all.

[@PremierPrep]

I think this camera is a first step towards a box full frame or a full frame URSA

[@carlyates2487]

Hopefully! Maybe they will redesign the URSA Mini form factor instead

[@PremierPrep]

@@carlyates2487 That would be fantastic! Either way, I doubt this is the only camera this sensor will be going in to

[@carlyates2487]

@@PremierPrep It will be interesting to see. I'm looking forward to doing IQ tests to see how this new sensor performs.

[@PremierPrep]

@carlyates2487 Absolutely! I'm very curious to see how the Dynamic range does. From the tests I've seen, it looks like more than 13 stops

[@angeloplayforone]

Seeing that camera on your hand I understand why the removed the 'Pocket' from the name and called it only Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K. It seems huge and heavy but may be good for Cinema-style video shooting and not run and gun video style.

[@georgewoolf6300]

It's smaller than the Pocket 6K Pro, lol.

[@angeloplayforone]

@@georgewoolf6300 Hmm and still using the same optional grip?

[@georgewoolf6300]

Yep, new BMCC uses all the 6K Pro accessories including batteries.@@angeloplayforone

[@PBarry]

Please Blackmagic, if you read this -- the form factor on this thing is killing us. The lack of ability to mount larger batteries, monitor, audio, etc. -- it's just not workable anymore for those of us who love BMD's color but can't show up to set looking like we just got our first DSLR. Create a box camera which we can customize and adapt and it'll crush the Komodo!

[@therealjimmy5411]

9:00 sorry that is inaccurate. The Canon R5C in the US is $3799, the BM CC6K is $2595. That's not half.

[@robertniessner554]

There is a world outside the US - you know? In EU for example the R5C costs around € 3800 and the BMCC6k is € 2000 (excluding VAT).

[@CINENIMUS]

Where’s the DR test???

[@mauraece]

Blackmagic should have changed the form factor, a Red Komodo X body style with a micro v mount would’ve been better.

[@focusedstoryfilmskc]

It's a bummer (although understandable) they don't offer this with different mounts. I'm so deep in E mount glass, and far as I'm aware, there is no L mount to E mount adapter even possible because of the flange distance. Honestly I'm very happy with my FX3 and FX30 setup for weddings and events and even short films (we all know The Creator was shot on and FX3 so it's no limiting factor in cinematic productions) but Blackmagic has always intrigued the creative side of me more than the practical side of me. I loved my Pocket 4k in controlled environments. Weddings it was a pain in the ass though. Just not the right tool.

[@Samiam-mu5ln]

The FX3 did not make The Creator great, I hate how content creators are so fixed on this because the production decided to use the same body that a lot of low level youtubers have. The FX3 is a great camera but will still be lack luster in the hands of untrained people

[@focusedstoryfilmskc]

@@Samiam-mu5ln point is the FX3 didn't hinder The Creator. In the right hands it can look just as good as a much more expensive camera. It allowed them to shoot it small, fast, and with minimal crew to make the film they wanted within their limitations. Nobody is saying "I'm a youtuber with $0 I can make a film look like The Creator because I have this camera!" The point is, we're in a day and age where almost any camera in the right hands can be used in a real production environment.

[@robertniessner554]

BMD can't license neither the RF mount nor the E mount because Sony and Canon do not give licenses on their mounts (RED is the exception because they traded patents with Canon).

[@unclejezza]

Just put it in a box like Z-Cam, that’s all we’re asking

[@zoetmoments5625]

they are just deaf at BMD they have been told this for over 3 years. they clearly lack the common sense to read the market and there customers request. and the Micro studio does not solve the problem has it doesn't record internally (not a big issue has cage design will solve some off the problem. but by the time you add a monitor, cage and Storage you will be back to the same price has the Pocket camera's 6k or more.

[@radfield6089]

man...imagine if this was a box style camera in stead of this cursed dslr shape people refuse to leave behind....

[@ereceeme]

love this camera but its not for me. im selling my pocket because I need evf, af and ibis. sadly ill mis braw. They just shot hollywood movie using the fx3 in a movie called "The creator" Im sure compactness, af and ibis had a big role in this. This is something bmd can capitalize. other camera makers are offering much more at a good price its time for bmd to wisen up.

[@MrMittens1974]

They used ronin gimbals, atomos and proper focus pulling on 'The Creator'.

[@Samiam-mu5ln]

Getting an FX3 for that reason alone will not help you produce better films/movies. Content Creators and KZbinrs have overly hyped up that simple detail and fail to mention that it was but one aspect of the production. You need proper composition technique, talented actors, glorious glass, and a visionary director to orchestra all of it together. Again, FX3 alone won't solve those for you

[@simonc4764]

Pity for taking stills it no longer takes CinemaDNG because the camera only does BRAW.

[@user-xs9wh8ob9q]

Camera sales must be very low. 😂 I think it will attract buyers' attention depending on what additional features will be announced in the future. 4k is still enough.

[@Davidh741]

Complaint is it’s to digital with all the settings this why picked up old horse 2.5 k where real colour science went in to BM is all about resolution now BMCC 2.5 k was used in huge film production s from avenger to mad max

[@antone9751]

Great looking images from this camera but it’s become so niche. No 10bit codec, no 16x9 aspect ratio, clunky form factor. A great camera is not just it’s image quality, it’s the overall package and this falls well short for many of us.

[@MrJhmw01]

ummm they do claim that, they keep calling it "high end" ha

[@madacenyc]

It looks like a VCR

[@mex5341]

I think they ( BM) are losing this race to Sony/Panasonic/Fuji

[@carlyates2487]

Which area's do you think Sony / Pana / Fuji are winning in?

[@mex5341]

@@carlyates2487 almost the same video quality , Ibis, AF, battery life , etc . Still don't see reason to pick Bm when you can get Lumix s5IIx/Fx3 /X2hS

[@phrasalsyntax]

maybe on functionality (AF, e-NDs, battery life...) but not in image quality which is still the most important factor for many of us

[@BadMantraFilms]

but if you're using a CINEMA camera you're going to rig it up to v mount or other external battery solutions..@@phrasalsyntax

[@mex5341]

@@phrasalsyntax this was a problem 2-3 years ago, yes, but now everything has leveled off. the same 14-15 stops of DD as BM, less noise. Few people use RAW , if necessary you can buy a recorder for Panasonic . there is no magical quality, now everything almost equal

[@Old-School-Liberal]

You mean Leica’s L mount

[@mauraece]

“L mount” 😂😂😂 I’ll pass on that.

[@focuspulling]

The big issue that can't be emphasized enough, is that the transition to L-mount simply is going to take a long time, or could fail. Existing sunk lens investments are a controlling factor for this target market, adapters are notoriously unreliable, and L-mount currently serves mostly still photographers at best. (The assertion in this video, that there are tons of L-mount third-party lenses, is hilariously inaccurate.) I kinda resent the addition of the L-mount to the market, even though it was necessitated by the greed and closed nature of nearly all the other current mirrorless lens mounts. Sony and Canon need to lighten up and allow other camera bodies to use their mounts. DJI's shot at trying to use native E-mount was promising, but probably got bullied by Sony's lawyers.

[@nigerian-nightmare]

We are talking about manual focus here, and I cannot think of a single adapter that doesn't work when it comes to manual focus. Manual focus works with even the most basic adapters. If you ask me, the L mount is a big win.

[@AbdonPhirathon]

There is no reliable AF on this camera, so why would you expect adapters to be reliable? Not only that, but you’re gonna have to shoot manually with this camera anyway, so I don’t get how that’s such a big deal. Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with L-Mount. Besides E-Mount, it has the second biggest native lens selection, so it’s not like BMD handicapped themselves by choosing the L-Mount. It was never going to be any other way.

[@aaronharper444]

Are you kidding? Lumix lenses don’t focus breathe like Sony’s. And you can adjust your focus ring to match your desired focus throw.

[@carlyates2487]

I'm sorry but I don't agree with this at all. Adapters are not unreliable apart from Autofocus which this camera doesn't have anyway. A lot of the low-mid range cinema lenses have interchangeable lens mounts now and L mount options. Laowa Rangers, Dzofilm Catta, Meike etc.

[@focuspulling]

@@carlyates2487 Adapters notoriously and randomly may deactivate metadata transfer, thereby focal length for effective O.I.S., and even aperture control which is essential. The majority of legacy Blackmagic users are adapting EF mount lenses, for example: not fully manual. You're all being very optimistic, and ignoring the majority sector of active lenses versus the minority of cinema lenses.

[@whateverjustposting]

i just dont understand why they feel comfortable with foregoing the internal nds. theyre also discouraging a lot of their current customers who have invested in canon glass by using the l mount. sure, you can adapt it, but like you mention in the video the inclusion of the l mount limits the ability to have internal nds. full frame really shouldnt be enough of a selling point for people to make this leap. internal nd in a form factor this small was *the* selling point. maybe im wrong, i still have my bmpcc4k but i run an r5c as my main camera. if they had included internal nd tho and didnt go with a completely different lens mount i may have considered selling my r5c, and switching to an r5 for stills and getting this guy as my a cam

[@AbdonPhirathon]

There are EF to L Mount adapters with nds built in. It’s not that big of a deal.

[@phrasalsyntax]

It's not the same to put internal NDs on a s35 size sensor than on a Full Frame one (over twice the surface area). FF is just too big of a size to do it cost-effectively. It would have implied a total redesign, adding significantly to the cost of the camera. Since for that reason there was little chance of adding internal ND on this FF camera, that open the possibility to change the mount to a more adequate one in terms of future proof (L-mount instead of EF). Back compatibility with EF via a simple adaptor made that a no brainer in my opinion.

[@leventebaumann6001]

No ProRes, NoND :)

[@harryvlogs7833]

13 stops of dynamic range terrible panasonic s5 gets 14plus stops

[@TimsWildlife]

With a 2 to 1 signal to noise ratio?

[@harryvlogs7833]

@TimsWildlife no In general you get battery quality videos

[@CoveringFish]

@@harryvlogs783314 according to who is the biggest point. Blackmagic UNDERsells their dynamic range

[@TimsWildlife]

@harryvlogs7833 I liked the highlight retention of the pockets, but prefer my zcam for low light. I shot wildlife at iso 51200 with lower noise than my pocket 4k has at 3200. Amazing.

[@tomnormedge9432]

Same sensor as the S5, exact same dynamic range.

[@TheBlacksheep1967]

If only that camera had an RF mount instead of L .....

[@AbdonPhirathon]

What for? L-Mount has the same flange distance, and has way more lenses than the RF Mount. Going RF would have undoubtedly crippled this camera.

[@TheBlacksheep1967]

@@AbdonPhirathon The BM camera users are all EF. Compatibility with RF is sure.

[@AbdonPhirathon]

@@TheBlacksheep1967 Both, the RF Mount and L-Mount require adapters for non-native lenses. Adapters like the Sigma MC-21 exist, so this is a non-issue. It’s not like the camera has C-AF.

[@robertniessner554]

BMD can't license neither the RF mount nor the E mount because Sony and Canon do not give licenses on their mounts (RED is the exception because they traded patents with Canon).

[@sarahwhyld5596]

Is it just me, or is this video out of focus, jerky, pixelated and I can’t read the captions at the bottom left because they are blurred. This video doesn’t sell the camera to me.

[@sitebstudios]

Yes, it is just you. Your eyesight, or you have crappy internet.

[@sarahwhyld5596]

​@@sitebstudios not sure eyes are able to create pixelation! But I have just re-watched and you are correct no pixelated images, so must have had shocking internet. Thanks for your comment 👍

[@Bobbylopezcreative]

Same run and gun body style but still no ibis or autofocus means this is a huge disappointment for me. Also, most people I know are building up their lenses for either Sony or canon so either of those lens mounts would have made more sense for me and my circle. L mount is a dud mount as no other bigger cinema brands really use it.

[@professionalfilmcrew9727]

Every other company is taking on the Red Komodo! Blackmagic is falling way behind with their reluctance to create what the consumer market wants. They will eventually lose traction in the cinema world. Mark my words.

[@petrub27]

no AF, no photos either

[@carlyates2487]

No, this isn't a hybrid camera. Its a dedicated video/cinema camera.

[@petrub27]

@@carlyates2487 you were comparing it to a7iv

[@98JamesNixon]

That crop though in 4k 👎

[@tobymcvittie2076]

its just a super 35 crop though

[@News_Today]

Expensive defanged s5iix with olpf....it takes less than a minute to fix moire in post. What an utter disappointment.

[@mauraece]

I’m never buying a so-called “cinema camera” that’s shaped like a SLR. If Blackmagic had any sense they would have changed the form factor.

[@randallburgess6393]

It’s useless as a cinema camera it’s only 10 bit colour 10 bit. What the hell is wrong with these companies a true cinema camera Hass to have raw and Hass to have 12 pig color. None of the rest of the shit matters.

[@JedCamara]

It's literally got everything you just stated it doesn't have mate. It's not 10 bit, it's 12 bit and shoots RAW. In fact if you actually watch the video, the camera ONLY shoots BRAW! Which is 12 bit...

[@nigerian-nightmare]

You have no business commenting about a camera you have no knowledge of. It's no secret that Black Magic shoots RAW and 12bit.

[@tobymcvittie2076]

10 bit externally and 12 bit internally

[@ereceeme]

I wouldnt say a true cinema camera. the bit count doest make a cinema camera. all of hollywoods films were in 8 bit its not the arrow its the marksman.

[@gm-3media717]

Complaining about this camera at this price point is unrealistic. Guys who are complaining have the same unrealistic expectations as women who want men that make $100K and above but there are 10% of men in the United States that make that income. The average men make $50K and below. If you want a camera that has all of your expectations then the high end camera like Red, Arri, or Sony would be great for you at a price you can’t afford. I am buying this camera and use it to the best of my ability until the wheels fall off. Thank you black magic for making an amazing camera that is within my price range.

[@shueibdahir]

You just couldn't stop yourself now? You had to do it?

[@Samiam-mu5ln]

I love how it started off as a grounded, logical response and then went into other things that technically aren't related but still have valid points 😂

[@antone9751]

If this was BMD’s first or second camera I would t complain. I’ve had Blackmagic Pockets from the 4K to 6K Pro and loved them but this is kind of a step back from BMD.

[@jadendupree]

Couldn't have said it better my guy 👍

[@mosijahi3096]

What lenses do you use- can I use Sony lenses?