DON'T Waste Points; Plan Your Coach in CFB 25 With These Analytics

[@beastlyword0690]

Ppl are gonna disagree with me, but I really wish there was a slider to allow your coach lvl to go higher than 50 so you can get more points. There are tons of cool and impactful abilities in the game, without the ability to respec your skill tree majority of them you will never use. By the time you unlock them majority of your points r gone and it sucks.

[@collinbear]

I agree, especially in a offline dynasty. At least make it a settings I can turn on or off

[@TGCRequiem]

I think a slider for max coach potential level would be nice.

[@GarebearGaming]

This is part of that sandbox feel that ea claimed they wanted us to have with dynasty. Make it we can customize what our max level for coach should be

[@Ethanmackey1]

No one would disagree with having the option to do more stuff! That’s one of my (mild) annoyances with the game right now, not being able to do whatever you want lol. I will never know what being a ceo will feel like.

[@shoblizz21]

@@Ethanmackey1I disagree. No one coach is great at everything. Give n pull.

[@treomoe]

This game has elicited the finest performances from all who patiently awaited its arrival.

[@AUZlE]

And yet the game is full of glitches and incredibly questionable consistency regarding computer AI.

[@blainelacey8953]

Just discovered and subscribed! Only guy making guides that isn't an airhead droning on about how he's going after Mitch Johnson by sending the house for 3 weeks.. This is really informative! Can't wait for the next few videos!

[@xsteelfeverx8004]

My god. So you really DO have to committ to very specific positions. You cant have it all. That is so awesome.

[@FawkYouGuy]

Fax

[@Keytucks]

Highly informative and easy to understand, thank you for doing this work

[@julianwatts9024]

They should make certain tiers achievable by accomplishments as well. Like you win 3 championships and have two coaches hired as HC and 5 top recruiting classes you unlock CEO for free

[@davidgordon19]

It’s obvious recruiter is going to be the initial meta but if you are playing on Heisman or even AA, I would strongly suggest getting something fairly quickly to mitigate the effects of HFA, you absolutely need to be able to audible and see your icons on the road in the SEC, Big 10 etc.

[@creamabdul-jabbar6722]

Yeah man I can't remember a game where I get a 76 ovr QB freshman and there's a world I would start a 78 ovr senior but it's a high priority for the effects of the composure. May run a 2 QB system like Florida did with Tebow and leak tbh

[@objbitch8858]

That’s why I always recruit QBs that have headstrong.

[@xsteelfeverx8004]

@davidgordon19 I'm three seasons in as a recruiter/motivator. Level 36. What sucks is that I had really good coordinators in my first two seasons but now they're gone and I'm left with shitty ones. 😪

[@liam4603]

I play Heisman and Stadium Pulse really isn't hard to deal with. If you've played a Football game, you know the usual icons for different receivers. Get a couple scores early and the effects die fast

[@creamabdul-jabbar6722]

@@liam4603 my problem is the ass backwards read option system it used to be hold x to hand it off idk if you can change that or what

[@Leek4748]

You have fused my two favorite things ever. Data and Football! Excited for your journey bro

[@reallyfake2760]

So, for me: i think the sevret sauce is only level 2 recruiting across all but kickers. Do this as a coordinator at a big school and win 2 championships with 2 top classes and 4 rivalry wins. Take your job with an elite motivator coordinator. Get discount on abilities from ceo. Take all but kickers to level 3 on motivator for the yearly xp jump, but key here: at a discount. Then put points in strategist at discount (cross training for extra cheese). Finally fill all but kickers on the bonus xp/remove skill cap tree. The last part im workshopping, is finding out if I still have enough for senior rise up, and then the player retention perks. This coach can: recruit, but then get the mlst out of even elite players. With a dominant program elite dev 4* gems players would leave the with no skill caps. First round talent would be easier to.persuade to stay, with refunded persuade chances. 2nd round too if theres enough points. Whatever coach points are left over, if any, can go to thay ground and pound stuff.

[@justinholbrook3511]

The discount is only 1 per upgrade. It cost 18. Plus ceo cost 30. So you don't have enough points to unlock 18 other upgrades to justify the cheaper upgrades. Also there isn't anything in ceo that's worth any points at all. I test all abilities and they are useless.

[@blainelacey8953]

​@@justinholbrook3511 discount is 2 per upgrade

[@DALONEWOLF108]

I find talent developer way more useful than motivator , you have to wait for the end of the year To even use the actions of tier 3 motivator for offseason training but talent developer all around can boost xp during and off the season I’ve seen my guys go up FIVE whole overalls in one year becuz of the talent developer traits and if you can manage to get program builder only get both the pipeline upgrades that is gonna help you compete with top schools at recruiting five and four stars as a one star , I still go motivator and tactician it for specific positions your choice but if you can FIND HEAD COACHES as your offense and defense coordinators they are ALL ROUND leveled so pay attention to what type if coordinator or coach you are grabbing

[@CJRHD7]

CFB and Power bi are two of my favorite things! Subscribed!

[@JB33210]

Semantics, but max points is 495 and not 500. You only get 10 when you level up, and you level up 49 times, plus starting 5 points at level 1.

[@tkk85]

But you also start with a tree unlocked

[@Eon320]

I spent the 100 points in recruiting and then unlocked CEO and went with the bundle discount and then hired coordinators that had the same skills so each tier one skill cost 3 tokens instead of 5 and each advanced tier cost 6 instead of 10. Seemed to allow me to have more abilities.

[@CollegeFootballDataScientist]

I think the advanced tier is 8 which would mean it saves you 2 pts. If that’s true, that means you’d break even after 9 upgrades and be ahead after that (assuming you would have unlocked CEO anyway). If you wouldn’t have unlocked CEO, you’d need to make 24 upgrades to break even. You could still come out ahead if you bought the upgrade early enough. Thanks for the info! I’ve been wondering about that

[@QuintonLeo]

I've already maxed my couch out, but I'm really curious about how the CEO skill that makes coach skills cheaper actually helps. I did win the natty my first two years and most of my points went into recruiter or negotiator. I CANNOT stress enough how much improved visits helps. O-line, D-line, WR, DB... those are probably the only positions that need it. Position changes are important to consider. WR's can make amazing RB's. Safeties can also be very good LB's or a good DE can be a great LB as well. I've had a top 5 class 4 years in a row now and last 2 years I had number 1 class. recruiting isn't that hard once you figure it out, but the bonuses help. Also PAY attention to player development and always start STAR development players over normal or impact.

[@_Reality__]

If both assistant coaches have same ability it goes from 5 to 3 skill points

[@chadberles2056]

I love your new channel isn’t the level of in depth intensity I do it’s so great having someone join a game like this from a math perspective!!! You’re appreciated keep making these type of unique videos

[@liamclancy7879]

I love CFB and also data science. Can you show us how you put together your power BI and the raw data structure?

[@hxll2k]

If you keep these videos coming out quick you’ll definitely see that sub count rise with everyone playing this New Game. Love the vids have learned a lot keep it up ❤

[@brandonb8612]

I started as an OC at Georgia to win 2 national titles, get 2 top 5 draft classes, and use the head coach’s CEO ability for discounts and I will use the CEO all the way to level 50 then take a HC job. I don’t plan on buying CEO myself unless someone can confirm that dream school instant commit is worth it.

[@CollegeFootballDataScientist]

That’s a great strategy!

[@Styptix]

Well if someone's got u as #1 they have a chance to insta commit alr. I assume the perk boosts the chance and I've noticed if you take off a player from your board it removes the scholarship, then u can offer it again. Not sure if it's intended or if that rerolls the chances again but you could potentially abuse those perks and get any recruit u want by spamming scholarships until they commit. At only 5 hours and a normal commit taking up to 250-500 hrs you could do it over 50 times and still be worth. Anything over a 2% chance to insta commit is mathematically worth it. Unless of course offering the scholarship again doesn't actually reroll the odds and it's predetermined or locked in the first time u offer it

[@brandonb8612]

@@Styptix That is very interesting about spamming scholarship offers to the same recruit. I’m going to test this. That could be a game changer. If that’s confirmed then I think the meta would be to go to a top tier school like Georgia as HC, double up on coordinators with the skills you want to purchase, win the 2 national titles, don’t spend any points until you unlock CEO discount. Then buy all the skills on discount. Fire the coordinators and hire ones with the next set of skills you want at a discount.

[@squeebploozer]

i'm subbed and ready, let's go! thanks for the info man!

[@CkStreamsYT]

Some of the best content out right now!

[@williamheidke4081]

Another great informative vid!! It’s a huge help to get to visualize how to spend coach points in this way. Would really appreciate if you could make this document as well as the ones in your other videos available to download, thanks!

[@dogetube-7193]

I am begging you to do a video on the best scouting combinations (send the house, hard sell, etc). Because I believe the information the game gives you does not add up with how much scouting points it actually adds towards a prospect

[@JvariW]

We are waiting on your return, King

[@damewhin]

Good job on all this honestly, didnt know the hc level was capped I have seen some cpu coaches higher

[@inzone88]

I think level 100 would be more reasonable. 50 is insanely low

[@distasteee]

Your videos dont miss. Another banger.

[@lannce516]

Could you make a link for that spreadsheet

[@starlinggibson4117]

I’m so against the game head, coaching, XL points being capped at level 50. And how is it mathematically possible to become a CEO or program builder without going past level 50?

[@jeremydobbs6882]

Just save your points

[@dlindy9143]

That's why I specialize in one of the main 3 coaching types and then hire coordinators that are strong in areas where I'm weak

[@MrBigjeffro101]

I think if they get rid of spending points in other areas to unlock other areas would make it better.

[@leopoldkain6815]

Enjoyed learning this info ❤ thank you for sharing 👍

[@bigticket5755]

Is there any information about what each pipeline produces? I only know about the QBs, in Southern California, and the recievers in East Texas and Southern Florida. Would be fascinating to know the best pipelines for defensive line, secondary, an offensive line…

[@CollegeFootballDataScientist]

I might do something on this later because I’m not sure either. It would be hard to get the data out but I think they said they built it on real recruiting so you might be able to infer it indirectly from recruiting data IRL. Another good video idea!

[@davidtaylor606]

South Florida is the best. It’s the best for speed WRs RBs QBs.

[@GeauxGillespie]

Somebody get this man a cough drop so he can keep cooking

[@CollegeFootballDataScientist]

😂

[@redbulloo7]

Bless this man 🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@Philly1326]

They should add a setting to toggle the limit off and on so people who agree with the limit and don’t can have the best of both worlds😊

[@palmmoot]

You can get instant commit without the coach ability. Had a 4 star RT instant commit, but I was always 1st on his interests. I think it's a small % chance.

[@4ydaan]

Yep, late in the recruiting circle and they have no other offers with you as their top choice it happens. i had like 3 people commit at once one year (granted two were just 2 stars, which is probably why they didn’t have much interest)

[@palmmoot]

@@4ydaan the one I'm talking about actually instant committed in preseason, when all you can do is scout and offer scholarships. No idea if it was a bug.

[@4ydaan]

@@palmmoot oh no way lmao that’s weird but good i guess

[@palmmoot]

@@4ydaan yeah no idea if it was intentional, but I'll take a 4* RT for free lol

[@tkk85]

Were you a coordinator? You head coach probably had the instant commit

[@bradysouth2783]

Would love you to break down 3rd level of Motivator Arch, Offseason boosts. How much do the players increase, will dev traits affect that? Will class affect that?

[@CkStreamsYT]

Disagree on the discount ability!! Here’s why: ceo costs 30, bundle discount cost 18.. 48 points - the discount is only one coin for things that cost 5. You get those abilities for 4. So you’re saving 1 at the cost of 48. Not the discount I thought. The other abilities might save you two, but its also hard to find an assistant that actually upgrades themselves into that second tier. In theory - couldnt agree more, bundle discount should be awesome. - just not in practicality

[@ScottJericho]

Ceo also allows the instant commit for 18, so I wouldn't say it's fair to compare the 48 against the discount. But yes, you would need 25 discount skills to get a leg up on the 48, but you can also save 4 points on tier 2 skills so it's less.

[@jasoncline8973]

And to correct your math, if both of your coordinators have the same skill you are looking to purchase, it will only cost you 3 instead of 5. Its well worth it, if done right. Start as a coordinator at Georgia, North Carolina, or Clemson (those coaches have CEO), get two top 5 recruiting classes and win 2 NT's while you are there. Only spend your points on upgrades that cost you 3 each. After that, take your remaining points and move on to a new HC job at a school of your choice. Unlock CEO, hire coordinators with the abilities you want to upgrade, only upgrade when the cost is 3 vs 5. If you spent all of your points this way, you'd effectively have somewhere between 25-40% more points to use (123 to 198 upgrade points), depending on what other architypes you unlocked in the process.

[@pullerocred]

This is cool, could you see if the in game boost to a player being ‘hot’ or staying composed changes stats in the simulation?

[@CollegeFootballDataScientist]

Interesting question. That would change my thinking on it definitely, particular composure.

[@Snodrr]

You’re content is insane brother, keep up the great work. Is there any way you could share the spreadsheet? Regardless you’re goated 🙏🙏

[@GarebearGaming]

Tier one of talent developer says the position group you pick gains increased interest from your school. I’m curious if that applies to players that are already interested in your school or it increases the chance more players would be interested in transferring to your school who wouldn’t normally be interested without the upgrade

[@CollegeFootballDataScientist]

I assumed it was generating interest for additional players but now that you ask the question I’m not sure!

[@davidtaylor606]

@@CollegeFootballDataScientistif I’m an lelite recruiter Head Coach in year 1 and the season ends when Im able to fire/hire OC or DC what would be the best combination to have? Is it better to find a coach that is Master motivater and the other coach needs to be Tactician? What’s the best combination for my other coaches ?

[@GarebearGaming]

@@CollegeFootballDataScientistthat’s what I thought I first too but after testing it out for couple seasons I notice it is much easier to sign the transfers that were interested rather than more transfers being interested. Just confusing the descriptions of the abilities are not that clear lol

[@Tristan1690]

Thanks for the Tip 2x National Championship here I come I need that discount!

[@buddhastl7120]

I think I did the perfect meta on my first try. Maxed all 4/4 in first stage of recruiter except kicker 0/4. Minimum motivator to unlock talent developer. Maxed it 4/4 except 0/4 for kickers. Spent rest in tactician with lowering crowd noise significantly on road.

[@devinmackey83]

It's similar to what I was considering. How has that worked out for you?

[@2jmajjic]

Interesting

[@buddhastl7120]

@@devinmackey83 I play as Mizzou. Current team 99 defense and 97 offense. Multiple 99 overall players.

[@buddhastl7120]

@@devinmackey83 you don’t need visit bonuses and pipelines are overrated. I pick and choose the 5⭐️ players I want on my team and only need a visit for maybe 15% of them. I get 14-16 5⭐️ players each draft. Would be more if I had more points each week. This is given that my coordinators have a bit in recruiting, too. Hope this helps.

[@theboys6712]

@@buddhastl7120how are you getting that many 5 stars per cycle???

[@cameronahart]

I started as an OC at UGA since their headcoach has the ceo ability unlocked to get them cheaper. then when im upgraded enough I move on to a head coach position.

[@demmorgan]

I did a franchise test just to see what a maxed out coach would give u. At level 50 you would have 495 coach points. Hope that helps

[@dxpxqxb]

Didn’t see if you mentioned this but there are “buy-in” costs for all the archetypes after the initial free normal one. I ran into this problem with my builds because of the uneven ness of the 15 point Guru buy-int that didn’t leave the 8 point guru trees without a remainder. What usually happened was I had 498 points spent and nothing to use my last two points on

[@TheRabbit68]

Is those points totals including the kicker based ones because let's be honest, no one should ever touch those.

[@CollegeFootballDataScientist]

Yes they include the kicker ones and I agree. I think the cross section or whatever they replaced the kicker with in tactician is worse yet. Who wants to train a WR to play corner? Or am I missing something?

[@fainez]

You should make a video about player progression in dynasty mode. The xp system seems almost fully hidden but I wonder if it works the same as road to glory

[@pulpp]

Just started with Georgia to test out the 2 National Chips and then Use CEO you get a lot more for cheap

[@tajarus5603]

What does the data look like using the CEO ability to discount other abilities as long as your coordinators have them too

[@CollegeFootballDataScientist]

Haven't gotten to that point in my dynasty yet but will have to test that. I'm curious too if both coordinators have the ability does the discount get doubled?

[@robojoey]

@@CollegeFootballDataScientist It does - it's one point for one coach, two points for two.

[@kurtiskianrd]

It also works when you are Coordinator and the Head Coach has the discount ability. I found that when I was a coordinator and the HC had the archetype discount from Program Builder, if both the HC and other Coordinator had the archetype unlocked, it was free for me to unlock.

[@michaelahurt]

​​@@kurtiskianrd No wonder why the bigger schools get good so fast So it creates a very interesting strategy where it's *better* to be a coordinator under a CEO coach. That's interesting

[@durikas7519]

You should at least get enough points to fully upgrade one basic tree and one of the unlock trees. Im not asking for all upgrades, but GD, you cant max out 2 trees

[@shim6057]

If the dynasty is only 30 seasons. Does the coach you create have to retire at the end of the dynasty? Or can the coach you create move on to a new 30 year dynasty with a new team?

[@NOLA2LSU]

Idk how this channel popped up in my feed but I'm here for the moneyball styled channel baby!

[@ethanespeset3686]

This feels like content perfectly tailored to me. Do you have any other socials I could follow you on?

[@Jmay51]

Any insight on what recruits are produced in the different pipelines?

[@texastitan48]

You mention regional talent specifics (south florida having good WRs)...I have not found this to be true. Be a good video to dive into?

[@davidtaylor606]

lol you are wrong. South Florida is where the best Wrs and elusive RBs are. The key is and I love CFB 25 for it is that most of the best players are actually 3-star recruits lol it’s funny but most ppl won’t scout or recruit only 4-star and 5-star players. 3-star players is where the 99 6’1 deep threat WRs are no cap 🧢

[@CollegeFootballDataScientist]

Im taking EA at face value here. I agree this would make a great video. I’d like to know where to get some good Hog Mollies in the trenches. 💪

[@Redd1da]

Isn't that why you rely on your coordinators in that aspect

[@starlinggibson4117]

What happens to all the points you continue to generate once you reach level 50?

[@DemantreTyson]

Now that u can edit players it change everything

[@Lionclaw]

Is that an Excel spreadsheet or something else? The best thing you could do would be to make a shareable version so everyone can explore it and do their own tuning. But great stuff, man. Very useful to know.

[@misstakeshiamonique]

This!

[@EliAllen02]

I really wish they didn’t cap what level you can reach I see no reason why they should limit how good your coach can be in the typically single player mode

[@THe12Dr]

Can you solve the recuiting team score formula? It's a beast

[@coleinfinito9686]

Motivator gives has off szn training boosts in it

[@rawkclayton]

any chance you'd share the powerbi file?

[@fern9719]

Does recruiting really matter that much when player progression is completely broken.

[@CollegeFootballDataScientist]

I’m glad so many people are aware of this. Hopefully means EA knows and will fix it

[@fern9719]

@@CollegeFootballDataScientist now this has been a trend in previous football games but this makes me think that with the current state of player progression what matters more is raw physical attributes, like speed, acceleration, agility and strength that don’t increase at the same rate as other attributes. Like route running, accuracy , catching and so on.

[@King-KJ]

I love you

[@DrAndrewJBlack]

Greatest stiff

[@maestro8199]

Is this planner available?

[@DaRaginGamer]

Bro you NEED to get that every 3 second cough checked out

[@jason6704]

Can you publish this dashboard somewhere?

[@ThePandaReaper]

It's 495 tokens u start with 5 at level 1 and level up 49x to hit 50

[@TGCRequiem]

I was thinking 505, but you're right we start at level 1. I don't think most people like how restrictive this is. I'm really hoping they either increase the level cap or I suppose the other option is they could do is provide more points per level upgrade. I know I can't become the perfect coach, but I expect I will have capped progression by my 3rd-5th season, and if I progress as I go which is appeared intention then by the time I can unlock the top level I'll already be out of points.

[@Angry-est]

What application/program are you using to show these numbers in this video? I’m not familiar with it

[@parkerbennett4480]

Pretty sure It’s power BI!

[@CollegeFootballDataScientist]

Correct

[@Angry-est]

@@parkerbennett4480 thank you 😊

[@haggard1378]

Bro I thought we would eventually unlock everything. I dumped everything into tactician😂

[@gregoryharrison6207]

What is the most optimal upgrade path?

[@Galaticat117]

IMO at the minimum it’s level 3 perks in the base (non elite) parts of the recruiter tree (so you can get the increased recruiting hours for each position) and the level 3 perks in motivator so you can get off season training boosts to all positions. And if I did the math right it’s around half your points (around 240 depending on if you have the ceo upgrade)

[@thevoxdeus]

Most optimal in what sense?

[@CollegeFootballDataScientist]

IMO there isn’t an “optimal”. There are just many different flavors of coaches and programs you could build. There might be an optimal “hurry up offense” path or an optimal “running offense path”, but an overall optimal, I’m not sure it exists or if it does, is context dependent.

[@ThePandaReaper]

Id argue it's maxing all 7 positions (not specifical teams) in base recruiter and talent developer. Grab 3 boosts to ur pipelines in program developer and it leaves you enough to cap 1 position for base motivator and base tactician. An argument could be made for architect over talent developer since increasing skill caps could be more useful with how broken progression is right now. I'm sure this isn't perfectly optimal since you're not using the CEO perk he talked about but it's at minimum a good place to start and not waste any points

[@buddhastl7120]

Max stage one recruiter except zero for kickers. Minimum in motivator to unlock talent developer. Max talent developer except zero for kickers. Put remaining points in tactician. I prefer to lower crowd noise significantly on road games and do a few upgrades for DL, LBs, etc. You do not need stage 2 in recruiter. I land 16 or so 5⭐️s every year and pick and choose the ones I want. Pipelines aren’t important either. Playing Mizzou, current team is 97 offense and 99 defense. Multiple 99 overall players. Cheers.

[@andrewjwhitus]

You are the best! Lol

[@brenndolacerda3576]

Don’t they also stack with what codinators have

[@ahiowehfiowjit]

This man has a PhD in ncaa 25

[@beepzzz3006]

Tornado diagrams!

[@Jay-dl5sg]

The inability to edit fictional players, the cap on coaching upgrades, and not being on PC has genuinely made a potential all time great game into one to forget and only remember because it was the first one in a decade. EA dropped the ball on this one…AGAIN

[@stephenlong6877]

um....link to the powerbi :)

[@nigelhornberry8062]

Hell yea dude

[@zachq1r2]

You get 510 coins. You start with 10

[@leonhurricanes511]

Player progression is trash. Plus guys I’ve redshirted aren’t showing they were redshirted the following year. The number one tight end in the country with no bust was a 71 when he arrived on campus. 😂

[@CrescentCitySweaters]

Lots of bugs in the game so far still. Year one of my dynasty, the number 1 ranked recruit in the country went completely unseen by anyone because he was from Wyoming. I was scrolling through the uncommitted recruits with about three weeks to go in the season, saw he somehow had no offers, and got him with Tulane. He was “only” an 80 overall middle linebacker but dude is going to dominate later on

[@seeayyell]

you're appreciated🫡

[@Guille-gr7gw]

POST

[@philipturner6636]

I'm a level 27 haven't spent a single coin on my HC just started my 6th season with the Akron Zips 1 natty.

[@ethanentze1068]

I think you need to go to the doctor

[@SilentSavage21]

Video had a chance to be good. 0 usefull info was told

[@goklish82]

Need to make a drinking game with the amount of "ah" and "umm" 😂😂😂😂. Jesus christ!

[@CollegeFootballDataScientist]

Sorry! I’ll have to cut those out. Still learning

[@hasbun88]

So? Who cares? I live the info here. Im guessing you must have won public speaking competions to be to critic people right ?

[@goklish82]

@@CollegeFootballDataScientist no worries just had a laugh. No hate. Keep doing what you doing.

[@goklish82]

@@hasbun88 relax. Just joking around.

[@michaelfisher4390]

Most importantly.. can we use your spreadsheet..