Done with Never Trump? Polarizing op-ed divides anti-Trump conservatives ahead of second Trump term

[@jkarnes45]

It's not just old people who don't change, it's malignant narcissists, They will never take accountability for anything they do.

[@jkarnes45]

I say the American people should go after Kash Patel for making these threats against people for telling the truth.

[@jkarnes45]

Giving up the resistance is the worst thing we could ever do. I am an American who's political philosophy is never dictator.

[@evolutionistheflyingspaghe2702]

You were probably a supporter of “camps” for the unvaccinated.🤦🏽‍♂️

[@bjturon]

Over reacted about Jan 6th? 🥺

[@Williestyle-RobotechxMacross-x]

Yep. The usual Conservative Republican party line.

[@jkarnes45]

No, underreacted. there should have been protests in the streets he should have been found guilty and in jail right now.

[@TwiineHerbert]

We need Jan 6th investigated. Patel should have it as a priority

[@jkarnes45]

The priority needs to be making every single coup enabler accountable for their actions in the 2020 election.

[@melanieearly3450]

Yeah this was the biggest under reaction ever 😳

[@brothermine2292]

Since Bret Stephens thinks the judgment of voters who don't pay attention is better than his, he should stop opining.

[@CLS-m3j]

👍

[@Williestyle-RobotechxMacross-x]

That would be nice. Stephens is just "bending the knee" to avoid problems...

[@Anjili-e2t]

I love listening to stroke victims form thoughts in real time, he gives as much preparation to what he’s going to say, as how he dresses. This has to be fantastic for your ratings msnbc.

[@GoodMorningSpaceDouchebags]

He only has an opinion because it is useful to the money. That is all.

[@GoodMorningSpaceDouchebags]

​@@Anjili-e2t As the son and grandson of men who fought their whole lives for your freedom, you cashed it in to feel self righteous while being utterly careless and ignorant.

[@jkarnes45]

I have never hated a politician like I hate Trump and I'm old enough to have lived through Nixon. I want to be clear though that we should resist everything he tries to do peacefully legally and democratically. The opposite of maga.

[@alanakafang6143]

spoken like a true emotional child .. well done at showing your immaturity

[@kamisakura568]

I've been in the Army, the peaceful thing... well if we have to I can be not peaceful.

[@JDavidHopkins]

“Good advice from an enemy is still good advice” -Alexander Hamilton

[@kimberlyhall9949]

@@alanakafang6143 Poster said the "Opposite of maga" not juvenile following childish behavior like maga

[@Anjili-e2t]

I love listening to stroke victims form thoughts in real time, he gives as much preparation to what he’s going to say, as how he dresses. This has to be fantastic for your ratings msnbc.

[@aaronbertram1951]

Give Trump a chance. He only wants to be a dictator.

[@alanakafang6143]

oh keep up junior that rhetoric is old .. he's Musks Puppet now keep up junior

[@matclairoux]

@@alanakafang6143 He invited a dictator the day after Biden pseach of the union. That was a total finger to the American people and democracy. You try to keep up.

[@douglasmennella4525]

“Bret Stephens says he really doesn’t want to get kicked out of the gravy train”

[@Williestyle-RobotechxMacross-x]

Exactly

[@brendamackinnon1978]

I've always been done with trump! I will never be for trump!

[@TwiineHerbert]

If the election was not rigged like the corrupt are telling us, where did 15 million voters go?? There is no way one can even suggest that those voters remained home after all the attacks on Trump by the corrupt Washington political establishment. The establishment's allies in the media relentlessly pointed a gloomy picture against Trump minute after minute on tv . You must have also noticed that the corrupt impeached Trump, tried to remove him from the ballot because it was clear to them that without fraud they weren't going to win an election, weaponized the DOJ and FBI against him and his business associates with a hope of scaring him by bankruptcy, they even tried to assassinate him twice. We need all these things investigated ( the 2020 election fraud, the Jan 6th and the hoaxes among other things the corrupt Washington political establishment has engaged in.

[@JoeBidenCorrupt-wt3nd]

Bad TDS?

[@melanieearly3450]

Same

[@Phycheeeee]

​@@melanieearly3450your both woman😂

[@dronemusic236]

Trump is a danger ... figure it out.

[@generalpopulation6273]

Elon Musk is the real president elect not Donald Trump... Elon bought and paid for the orange clown... Elon says jump, Donald says ok... just like a trained dog...

[@alanakafang6143]

oh so Trump isn't a Dictator now? What's your next deranged delusional BS rhetoric going to be ... you losers are hilarious

[@brettisrael5164]

I prefer him over president Soros from the previous administration 😁

[@klubmember960]

Think about that if the election was rigged how come the Democrats didn't rig it this time how come through all the Congress seats and Senate seats they didn't rig those😂

[@KingJamesHusband]

Has President Elonia told First Lady Donnatella what to say about this yet?

[@zgoat4127]

luv luv luv this

[@luhsprwhk]

this is transphobic. I thought you all were really into trans rights or whatever.

[@JoeBidenCorrupt-wt3nd]

We are now gender shaming?

[@melanieearly3450]

@@luhsprwhkHow is it transphobia? No one said anything about trans anything. All anyone has said here is that musk is effectively the potus now and trumps duties are now at flotus level

[@alanakafang6143]

oh so Trump isn't a dictator now? what will be your new BS rhetoric in another 4 weeks?

[@UnstuckWithJames]

That is a NO. NEVER A CHANCE.

[@terrymartin3272]

Let them keep playin around and see what the end gonna be.

[@Steven-w6h]

It seems Bret Stephens drank the orange kool-aid too! 🤪

[@Williestyle-RobotechxMacross-x]

4:11 Remind me again, *who* does John Fetterman work for? Maybe if I were getting the fantastic complete healthcare that Senators get *at our expense* I could "chill out" like he does...

[@melanieearly3450]

Exactly. Fetterman will be a full on trumper before the end of his term which will hopefully be his only term

[@klubmember960]

People that support Donald Trump have the right to and I will always stand for that because that's the beauty of America the one thing that's sad about his cult followers is they will never hold him accountable and that's ridiculous because I bet they teach their kids about accountability but yet will not hold their leader to it sip your tea to that one

[@ginapeel1924]

Resist everything he tries to do peacefully? What?

[@boy01boy]

FETTERMAN FROM SO MUCH PROMISE HAS BEEN SUCH A DISAPPOINTMENT !

[@patimuth1346]

😂😅trump change! Only fools will believe that!! ☮️☮️

[@jasonbelcher2224]

John Fetterman, with his "It's never going to happen..." comment, demonstrates a gullibility on par with his colleague Susan Collins from Maine when she said SCOTUS would never overturn Roe.

[@daveking-sandbox9263]

Was Donald Trump voted president by the Republicans in order to waste so much time on his petty retribution issues? I thought his job as president was to get important work done for the American people, for all American people, not just the MAGAs in the Appalachian mountains.

[@forbeginnersandbeyond6089]

Bret Stephens is a sell out.

[@ct9737]

I want to know why Trump wasn’t jailed for what he did and didn’t do

[@webportal6659]

Because he didn't commit a crime.

[@ronaldking1054]

1. A Supreme Court Justice wrote an opinion stating that the Special Counsel should be challenged as being illegally appointed despite Special Counsel being appointed for 150 years with multiple dissents. The District Court Judge did this for the Supreme Court Justice. The opinion had nothing to do with the case before the Justice. Therefore, the opinion is not part of his official duties. The Judge before this had been avoiding decisions because the same Judge had lost control of the case because the Eleven Circuit Appellate Court removed her from the case on the property rights of the documents. Those same documents were the core of the new case, but she did not recuse despite the Senior Judge asking her to do so. Every non-decision was designed to prevent the Federal Government, and such, us, from having our appeals. When an appealable decision was made, it was too late for the government to do anything. We were denied our right to a speedy trial against a criminal.

[@ronaldking1054]

2. The same Supreme Court Justice was the deciding vote on the immunity case. The Special Counsel requested that the case be expedited at the beginning of 2024. The Supreme Court refused allowing the Washington, D.C. court to decide the case. The Washington, D.C. Appellate Court took 2 months to decide as the case was completely new. They ripped apart every single argument that Donald Trump provided, which included that somehow a lack of impeachment gave legal protection. They showed that his exoneration was more that 30 Republican Senators nullified their vote in order to allow the man to remain qualified rather than voted that he did not incite an insurrection. The Supreme Court then decided to hear the case. The likelihood that this was going to not happen was nearly zero as there is no immunity in the constitution for the President of the United States. Arguments were heard 2 months later, and then it took the Supreme Court another 2 months to decide the case. Note, the decision happened on the last day that the Supreme Court could issue the decision legally. There could have been no more delay offered in the case than what they did. The Justice who was the deciding vote on the immunity of even using official acts as evidence in criminal cases also had a conflict of interest as his spouse was involved in the same conspiracy that the case was about, and she was also named an unindicted co-conspirator in the indictment documents. For some reason, he did not recuse. Note, the legal argument would shield evidence for his wife as well because that would be a chilling effect on the use of Presidential powers for the same reasoning that it could not apply to the President. Having advisors and the like stick their fingers in their ears so they cannot be party to a conspiracy means the President could not speak with Department heads. This would create the delay necessary for Trump to pardon his wife if she were prosecuted. Note, the prosecutions probably would not have occurred if Trump had decided to not run for President as the prosecution decisions were probably political based on the fact that he was not recidivistic before he ran for President again. For anyone that shows that is politically biased, note the Republicans were using the same logic in every impeachment case. The status quo is to not prosecute, and that is an inertia. The Washington, D.C. District Court Judge had been hearing evidence to decide what evidence could be used in the case based on this decision. The Special Counsel stopped the case as it could not be completed before Inauguration Day, and that provides the President the ability to stop the cases on his terms. Considering Trump has been trying to state that Presidential Immunity means that even a conviction means nothing in New York, this means that Donald Trump would likely have dismissed with prejudice. That removes any ability of the government to prosecute in the future should his term not last 4 years, for example. Considering that he was impeached twice, the likelihood of no impeachment and conviction is non-zero.

[@ronaldking1054]

3. New York sentencing would not allow jailtime during the Presidency, and there is no federal guidance what the Supreme Court would do if Trump tried to appeal the decision. In order to preserve the ability to have a meaningful sentence for the crime, the sentencing was requested to be delayed until after the Presidency is over.

[@ronaldking1054]

4. Georgia has a problem in that the District Attorney's office was removed from the case by the Georgia Appellate Court. This was for what was considered a non-conflict of interest by the prosecutor. This means that another District Attorney would need to prosecute the case in a primarily red state.

[@markstocker5121]

Brett Stephens AKA Bed Bug

[@JDavidHopkins]

The sin in Jan 6 was the futility of it, which proves Trump doesn’t know the Law.

[@WilliamHess-om1gr]

MSNBC …….lol

[@markcosenza3274]

Democrats are now saying it was a big mistake for Kamala to campaign with Liz Cheney!😂😂 No Shitz!

[@eshabiswas1087]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💯🤷🏽‍♀️

[@WhatAboutsAndWhatifs]

Late to the party no pun intended

[@thehaywire8889]

😂

[@FabricatorFactory]

King Trump has to have a babysitter, or he will destroy the country.

[@charleslewis9871]

Trump s not even president yet and I m tired of winning

[@josephsonora3787]

KEEP BEING A L0SER THEN.

[@bartjargengarblbargeler1980]

"Here at MSDNC, we firmly believe in the age-old truth of ... ... Unity Through Division"

[@jessicatymczak5852]

Shut up more. On.

[@markstocker5121]

👆 We've just been called ugly by a toad.

[@RandyPeterson9]

Bart, I'm sorry your parents were brother and sister

[@jimrivers7768]

Freaking out 😂😂😂

[@jaaksavat7916]

Trumpsollini project25 olichargy 'Happy days' 🤣😂🤣

[@Steven-w6h]

👍

[@Anjili-e2t]

I love listening to stroke victims form thoughts in real time, he gives as much preparation to what he’s going to say, as how he dresses. This has to be fantastic for your ratings msnbc.

[@joeyanderson5987]

It's the hate that made him popular. DT 24🎉

[@mzach2828]

Love the meltdowns 😂😂😂

[@RandyPeterson9]

Shouldn't you be over on the foxnews page absorbing their stream of lies, Zachy boy?

[@williamtowery3586]

😂

[@evolutionistheflyingspaghe2702]

MSNBC, “When All You Want Is Democrat Spin!”

[@gcinizwidlamini406]

Jan 5678 is useless 😂😂😂😂😂

[@johnward43]

Trump can’t be stopped. The People have spoken. 😂😂😂😂

[@mustlovefreedom]

Less than 50%. I think the majority of Americans are going to revolt against this oligarchy under dumpster don.

[@jessicatymczak5852]

God, you are really, really, dumb.

[@pam7500]

GO TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!

[@Chuck-js8dy]

Jan 20th can’t come fast enough

[@robmaynard5524]

Why you're in that big of a rush for Trump to turn the country into a 💩hole.

[@KingJamesHusband]

That's what trump's "girlfriends" say (about him), even though a long session for him is two minutes.

[@julianthatsfunny1097]

Yall still talking about Jan 6? Omg move on! It wasn’t an insurrection…

[@jkarnes45]

How can we move on when we're still looking for justice for what they did to our country? We can move on when we get justice.

[@alanakafang6143]

@@jkarnes45 do you care about justice for the over 100 capitol police injured by liberals in 2020?

[@urmommazhouse]

That's the problem we have now...we gave Trump a chance.

[@joannebaker4925]

Absolutely 💯 that is the problem, and look what chaos he's cause already not even in office yet.

[@beckerlea2441]

Americans love and admire President Trump

[@jkarnes45]

I am an American who deeply resents and will never forgive anybody who tried to steal my vote right in front of my face.

[@jessicatymczak5852]

Putins traitors love and admire treasonous un-President Trump. There, I fixed it for you.

[@mepulley7913]

Considering that many did not vote and also wrote in different candidates other than THE DUMP, no they don't.

[@alanakafang6143]

@@mepulley7913 nice fable bud

[@mepulley7913]

@@alanakafang6143 - Are you from a state that's really low in Math? Remember there were TWO candidates, and also some write in candidates. So here is where and why the US is so low on the world's education list.