Donnie and Rick on the Elias Lindholm Trade

[@SeeMeNoMoreOfficial]

One area nobody is mentioning is faceoffs. Losing Horvat last year, we needed a good faceoff guy. Gives an option to Miller!

[@ANT4G0NIST]

agreed. To have that freedom of a left or right handed center man to take that draw in either the O zone or the D zone is invaluable

[@Statsy10]

Though I think this is an overpay, the faceoff circle is indeed an underrated part of this deal. He definitely gives us more lineup flexibility as well. We can run three good centers or move Petey to the wing, or back up with the Lotto line when we need an offensive boost. Lots of options now.

[@barneyboomer8737]

I agree, they need someone who can reliably win those icing faceoffs, I like Miller but he must lead the league in faceoff ejections.

[@davidso2318]

Underrated call out - he is a faceoff Ace (double digits FW)...this will show up even more in the playoffs.

[@michaella5799]

JT Miller has a better f/o percentage then Horvat. Horvats faceoff percentage was way over rated.

[@lessthanthreemetal]

The center depth is insane. Pettersson, Miller, Lindholm, Suter, Blueger, Aman can all play the middle.

[@Bml00001]

Lafferty

[@johnmay9598]

​@@Bml00001Joshua too

[@joshm9363]

It’s honestly the best I’ve ever seen as a Canucks fan. Realistically I expect Lindholm to play with Pettersson but if the choose to run four lines equally 5v5 and split those two it should work very well.

[@lannon4prez]

Joshua is also a natural center i thought.

[@CashMacGregor]

if they land tanev the 2 trades will have the same impact that the ronning, courtnall, mommesso trade had on the 90-91 canucks team. hope they pull it off. exciting times to be a canuck fan again.

[@mrquirky3626]

That to me is still the greatest Canuck trade ever. Sure the trade Burke made at the draft was great for getting the Sedins, but they took years to really improve this team. Getting Ronning, Courtnall and Mommesso just before the playoffs instantly changed this team for the better. It was a night and day difference and it made watching Canucks games so much more exciting.

[@lance-x1s]

GREAT PICK UP, WE DIDN'T LOSE ANY CURRENT TOP PROSPECTS

[@greensky18]

But how do we know that wallinder will be better than brew ? No way to tell I was hoping we could keep both but you gotta give a little

[@Statsy10]

A right handed Dman that was among the OHL scoring leaders is absolutely a top prospect. If had put up these numbers last year he would have been a legit first round pick. As for not making the junior team for the US, you need to be aware of the politics at play. As a guy that left the USNTDP for the CHL, he was persona non grata.

[@Xanucks]

Keep in mind though, HB is not the first Draft+1 player to get good numbers and then go on to never play in the NHL. Even with those numbers he couldn't make the junior squad. His skating is not good.

[@Statsy10]

@@Xanucks I just explained why he didn't make the junior team, and it certainly wasn't because he wasn't good enough. Nor did they have a shortage of offensive dmen on that team.

[@Xanucks]

@@Statsy10 yet somehow hes still ranked lower than willander. His comparison by most scouts is Klingberg. Who happens to be a plug on a leafs team with no defensive depth. Hes a C prospect at best.

[@omfg322]

I dont know why everyone is so upset about losing draft picks here. 1: you have to pay to get 2: the prospect pool has like 5-6 players that can crack a roster spot in a year or 2. Losing one year of a less then steller draft class is fine

[@BugcatcherWayo]

I was on the fence myself, it was actually an unrelated article I was reading this morning that changed my mind. That being, Allvin was talking about how much more players were interested to sign as free agents with the Canucks to play for Tocchet. If you can reliable sign depth pieces in free agency because your organization has a reputation, you can very much afford to sell some prospect depth. Good trade.

[@tajiwamai9501]

Its also going to be a pretty late pick. This draft isn't supposed to be super strong so it could basically be a second in a strong draft

[@okanoganleakdetector]

i heard this years draft isn’t great.Good year to give up pick…..late pick in a bad draft year.

[@mkyhou1160]

With modern scouting, your odds of getting something great with a late first round pick are really low. Most likely a 3rd or 4th rounder who will be ready in 4 years time.

[@Misterkoots]

Rick has been beating Tanev’s drums Donny. Quit laughing!

[@Statsy10]

😂

[@gocanuckurself1]

😂😂😂😂

[@skyskimmer]

I really like Kuzmenko, but even I think this was a good move. I hope he fits in as well as Zadorov! Best of luck to Kuzy, I am sure we will see him fill our net soon!

[@dogsbreakfast4952]

Love the trade . Canucks are all in baby!!!!!

[@thebigpicture2032]

Lot to pay for a rental. Canucks are headed for an early exit just like Boston did.

[@ads9765]

Holy crap Don, havent seen you since the Sports Page days! Glad to see you're still in the business

[@henryczenczek3359]

Oh oh! We're in trouble. Donnie likes the trade!

[@bshoulder]

Donnie made a great point about the Canucks not losing a playoff roster player when they parted with Kuzmenko. Unfortunately for Kuz, he has been a defensive liability this year for the team, and really would not be given much ice time come playoff time, if at all. So while I do hope to see Kuz rebound and re-discover his confidence in Calgary, he is not a fit for the current plan of the Canucks. The team is clearly going for it now, so it is a worthy gamble to make. I am glad the team did not take the bait on Chris Tanev. As much I as respect the fearless style he plays, I think his lack of foot speed and his injury history together make him not a worthwhile trade target, especially if the Flames are asking for a first rounder for his service. I do think the Canucks may need one more piece at the back end, but with the current group playing the way it has been playing all year, this player would be more to add security and maybe give a slight upgrade to a Juulsen, Cole, or Myers. Definitely not worth a high draft pick or a strong prospect to obtain.

[@BrainHealth-md8wx]

Great trade for the Canucks!

[@davesmith7993]

Hunter chose to leave the US development program after just a year to go to the OHL. I think they felt he snubbed them and chose to snub him in the world juniors for abandoning the program. I don't think it was necessarily due to his lack of talent.

[@matts6302]

The two of you are great. Just top notch chemistry

[@vincezenarosa4894]

This was a great trade. It is beneficial to our chances for sure. But.... Dear Calgary, Please take care of Kuzzy. He will be a very effective player in a run and gun team. He'll be a 30-goal scorer in the NHL again. A Canucks Fan

[@christhornycroft3686]

Short term, we'll see if it was worth it after the playoffs. Lindholm is a UFA at the end of this season and will want money and term. Long term, giving up a 1st for a potential rental is rough, and who knows what the other 2 prospects and the potential 4th will be. I guess it's a passable trade, but this is exactly what got Benning in trouble - depleting the prospect pool and trading away picks, high end ones, like the Canucks were the Colorado Rockies. I'd love to be wrong, but now the Canucks have to prove it on the ice - not just in the regular season, but in the playoffs. The problem with these types of trades is that if you win a championship, nobody cares what you gave up to do it. But if you don't, you've left yourself with nothing going forward except a bunch of unmovable, overpaid, older players who aren't producing like they used to. Resigning Lindholm, who appears to already be on the decline, to a long term contract could be a worse move than letting him go for nothing. But we'll see. We thought a certain winger from Dallas would be good for the Sedins. That didn't work either.

[@jameskillbot2867]

In fairness 2 less years or 1 less million per still make total sense looking at all evidence even in hindsight. His fall was crazy.

[@Xanucks]

I'm not concerned with that. Hughes, Demko and Miller are proof players are willing to leave pie for others. There's no reason to believe Rutherford and Allvin wont be able to convince him too. Lindholm was drafted by Rutherford after all.

[@davidallison5529]

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think Allvin would have paid so high a price without some assurance from the player/agent that there was some sort of understanding ballpark for price & term. Otherwise, it's throwing away the future for a short-term rental, which would be dumb. There is behind the scenes stuff ... maybe they spoke in Swedish. 😅

[@XxLandoGriffinxX]

Accurate point, RIck, on not giving up bains, podkolzin, willander and pettersson, it's a plus.

[@preslim84]

I think the canucks need to wait for the trade deadline for the numbers to work to obtain Tanev. We just dont have the capspace right now

[@David-we3py]

Could be somewhere else by then

[@chuck2469]

They have 1.8 in cap space with Friedman taking up a roster spot. Essentially unlimited cap space, especially with a third team playing deal maker

[@lannon4prez]

They do once they deal mikheyev.

[@joshm9363]

Unless I’m much mistaken the Canucks aren’t accruing any cap space because they’re using LTIR to remain under the cap now, and have been all season. Without further trades the space they have now (~$1.86m) is the exact same space they’ll have at the deadline. Tanev has a $4.5m cap hit, and effectively for the Canucks that remains the case even as the season goes on. If we want him to come back we have to ship out nearly $3m of contracts one way or another. [apologies if you’re fully aware of this already but I get that not everyone will be fully up on the bewildering world of cap management!]

[@preslim84]

Hence why they need to wait until the deadline. You only are hit with the cap for the remaining number of days left in the seaon. So at the deadline Tanev's cap hit would be ~1mil @@joshm9363

[@rkruyt7443]

Donnie's been following the Canucks since way back, day one, back in the Coliseum? What's the best and worst trades in Canuck history?

[@KBosch-xp2ut]

Tanev is an old man and a rental. Neither of which the Canucks need,unless the price is not very high.

[@dogsbreakfast4952]

He’s a solid top 6 d man who every team would be lucky to have for a playoff run

[@blahteggie]

I feel much better about this trade after watching this vid. You guys brought up 2 very good points. 1st one being Kuzy, how he probably wasn't even gonna play in the big games or at best, he wasn't gonna see the 3rd period if the Canucks are up. Hate to say it, but it's true. 2nd point on Hunter. How we have Hughes here and as long as Quinn is here, Hunter will never be on the first unit PP. Both very good points.

[@David-we3py]

What if Quinn will run to jersey :(

[@blahteggie]

Then there would be no point in making that trade cuz the only person the Canucks would ask for back would be Jack. Nobody else.@@David-we3py

[@kto1201]

Love the point about hunter and hughes

[@leematson8484]

Maybe Petey and Lindy take a hometown discount to keep winning. If we win in the playoffs…

[@Xanucks]

Demko at 5x2, Hughes at 7.85x3 and Miller at 8x6 are proof players here are willing to leave money. I could definitely see them and Hronek taking discounts.

[@carletonrutherford1799]

I have been a fan of Tanev since his early days as a Canuck. His issue is he is always injured. That was the issue when he walked away from the Canucks. It's fine to make an effort to get him back, but if the Flames want a first rounder for him...get the f*** out of here. A 34 year old, often injured D man on an expiring contract and the Flames want a 1st for him? Let them keep him til the end of the season, and get nothing for him. A 1st rounder for him is outrageous.

[@VanMichael21]

If they end up putting Lindholm and Petey on a line then I hope it is Petey who they put at center and Lindholm on wing, instead of vice versa like most have people predicting.

[@davideaston6944]

I like it... assuming they can extend him; I don't like the price for a pure rental.

[@RobertJ-o3h]

Love watching Sports page..

[@bigamigo4863]

Hunter Brzustewicz does not have a better chance of making this team than Willander or Pettersson, he was expendable. We have Hughes...Hunter is an undersized powerplay, offensive specialist - he was never gonna get minutes IF he even made the team. He did not even make his world junior team.

[@bootybuh]

The reason he didn't make the WJ team is more because of Team USA politics. He left the USNDT because he was lowered on their lineup after an injury and wouldn't get to play much. He was only left of Team USA because of that - nothing to do with talent which he has tons of. End of the day, he's a great player we probably will never need.

[@RobDucharme]

Kuzmenko may find himself pleasantly surprised by his new digs. He will be depended upon a lot more for offense and with a different coach, might even thrive. The scoring depth in Calgary is so much less than what Vancouver has, so this is his chance to shine. Lindholm, on the other hand, needs to be on a better team to thrive. And being a right shot center (Canucks have missed Brandon Sutter for that one reason), this makes the Canucks top six better for sure. It's my understanding that Lindholm is a faceoff ace.. It'll take a bit of time to see who truly wins this deal. Lots of moving parts heading to Calgary.. It'll be up to them what they do with them.

[@lannon4prez]

Nobody missed brandon suter. Nobody. Medium player with a shitty contract who was hurt the entire time he was signed here. Which felt like a decade by the way.

[@RobDucharme]

@@lannon4prez I'm glad you are the spokesperson for everyone. Even me. I didn't even know...

[@lannon4prez]

@@RobDucharme do you miss loui erikson too? What about david booth? He was a right shot also i think. Although he was a winger.. hmm.. what about shawn mathias? Do you miss him?

[@joshm9363]

Honestly I don’t miss Brandon Suter in any way, shape or form. That’s not to say I don’t like adding a right shot centre, because I really do. More just an unfortunate poke at Suter for not being a difference maker on the (admittedly horrible) team of the time.

[@MrCryptler69]

Players are wanting to be traded to Vancouver. Tanev said he loved Vancouver & even have property there still. Who doesn't want a shot at winning the cup?

[@nobuddy2012]

I had to wonder about Hunter Brzustewicz when even though he was leading the OHL in scoring he didn't make the US world Junior team???

[@djardine2520]

Cuz he went to the OHL instead of the NCAA

[@dougstewart3243]

Dominate the middle for the win

[@vancitycanucks]

You mean a 1st rounder and a 3rd rounder :) :) 🎉🎉

[@seamusoleary3712]

Let's face it: A big gamble.... but if you want to win the cup, you have to gamble, don't you?

[@bbajwa6116]

High risk high reward

[@bellamydrake9343]

I don't see how we sign Lindholm. If he turns out to be a rental and we don't win the cup, than we lose the trade big time.

[@joshm9363]

Sure, unless the picks/prospects don’t amount to anything at the NHL level. I personally love the flexibility Lindholm brings to the forward group in a year the team is unlikely to match again any time soon. I also like that if Petey plays hardball with contract negotiations there’s a potentially adequate (not for a second equal, don’t get me wrong) replacement that the team has an inside line on.

[@whatsinthebox9732]

Canucks overpaid. For a rental having one of his worst statistical seasons the Canucks gave up way too much.

[@kimepp2216]

Need a right handed centre back for Tanev.

[@jake373]

Remember about a year six months ago when you guys were in suicide watch after they traded their 9th overall pick for Hroenick? How the Turns have Tides eh Gents?

[@ChadMoiMedia]

They literally talked about that in the...

[@jake373]

@@ChadMoiMedia was too late! Already wrote it lol

[@matthewoberton1830]

If they want Tanev so bad it shows they fuked up letting him go! Alex Edler is just sitting at home watching his old team! 🤫

[@Broncos18]

Lindholm is not very good guys. Trading 5 players to rebuild a division rival is dumb af.

[@cdnsilverdaddy]

Tanev... no.. if you market you want it, the other teams will ask for more

[@kpax45]

Only issue I have his trading 1st round pick! Canucks keep trading their 1st round picks! I do not like it

[@IamSteady1]

Did we let Tanev walk for nothing? And now we have to pay big to get him back? Sheesh.

[@derickshanahan7424]

I would sacrifice the entire 2024 and 2025 draft for a cup in Vancouver! I would give my left foot!

[@September2004]

Having to trade for Tanev after losing him for nothing. Fucking Jim Benning.

[@andrew1131]

Dhali is beating Tanev's drum ;)

[@ChrisChrisohou]

Wait until you see how outstanding Lindholm will be in the playoffs. Thinking of the over/under for how many games until Tocchet doesn't dress Lindholm. You picked up Lindholm, unless you have another couple of deals to get Gadreau or Tkachuk you're not getting much. Glad to see him gone from the Flames.

[@joshm9363]

I doubt the Canucks will be offering him 8x$9m just to be told “no thanks” to stay part of the organisation 🤫 Trash talking aside I will honestly be interesting to see how he fits. It might be a disappointment but at least the potential is there; especially if he’s on a line with Pettersson.

[@joshm9363]

I doubt the Canucks will be offering him 8x$9m just to be told “no thanks” to stay part of the organisation 🤫 Trash talking aside I will honestly be interesting to see how he fits. It might be a disappointment but at least the potential is there; especially if he’s on a line with Pettersson.

[@lannon4prez]

Nobody can score on that garbage team in calgary. You even killed huberdeau!

[@taxman6811]

this was a necessary evil and cap dump. canucks have to resign hronek, petterson, joshua, and blueger. they needed to dump 5.5M on next year's contracts. myers at 6m is gone. ian cole at 3m - probably gone? since this is a "go year", they might as well have added a 2C as opposed to picks which would have been contrary to their league standing intent. it was a win for both teams, despite flames loading up on assets and getting hunter. canucks probably can't afford to re-sign lindholm. but that's the cap space game...

[@danquarterman]

I really liked Kuzzy. Kid looks like he has a great personality. Ya wish him well.

[@kpax45]

He seemed to do better with Boudreau. When Tocchet came in he never seemed the same. A change is probably best for Kuzy and the Canucks

[@tripleg1686]

And as soon as you trade for Tanev he gets hurt and misses significant time or is lost for the season.

[@ranjodhsidhu9240]

We need to get rid of dead weight Myers heavily

[@tyrellmehmal7870]

Good trade for team sweden. Shit I mean canucks

[@mikebaxter247]

more like Team USA

[@kaelenjarvis5063]

Yeah only 3 players that actually play from Sweden on the roster dummy

[@joshm9363]

@@mikebaxter247you’re right but can we carry on pretending otherwise 😂🤫

[@AlexSilver-n6p]

But they gave up on a defence men who they needed

[@joshm9363]

I know you’re probably talking about Brzustewicz, but if you’re actually referring to Tanev that might be more accurate. The team has been genuinely very very good this year, that’s rarer than a kid excelling in Junior.

[@aaronphilip8785]

Where is the evidence that they tried to get Tanev?

[@stinkfinger630]

Have you guys been smoking whacky tobacco?! Giving up picks/prospects and a dynamic player like Kuzzy for a RENTAL? Bad deal.

[@bbajwa6116]

Kuzy been sleeping 😴

[@twothumbgaming8195]

all this mention of tanev yet how are we gonna get him with no cap and without giving up a first rounder/top prospect.

[@Xanucks]

The D on this team isn't that bad honestly. The top 4 are just as good as any other contending team in the NHL. We have arguably the best top pair in the NHL.

[@joshm9363]

It’s a reach. Assuming Garland isn’t an option you’re looking at one of Mikheyev, Myers, Zadorov, Soucy or Cole to make it work, right? Say what you like about any of them but they’re all currently playing a noticeable role for the Canucks. More so than Kuzmenko was at the very least.

[@CKsoundwave]

Stockholm Canucks

[@SlipStream-l3y]

Only if Lindholm re-signs at a reasonable cost is this a deal, otherwise it's a disgusting overpayment for a rental

[@bigamigo4863]

Terrible take

[@michaelangst6078]

How much you betting the Canucks to win the cup now? I hope at least 5K. I don't like Canadians having money@@bigamigo4863

[@ChadMoiMedia]

Glad you're not the GM!

[@AJ-ox6yi]

They gave away quantity not quality

[@Mennion3]

Both Petey and Hronek need extensions. Now there's more money so it's easier to sign them. Unless you are saying you want to lose Petey?

[@fbdgvsklbfdgvsavk]

Over paid for a UFA

[@Xanucks]

Lots of assets, not lots of quality. The pick on average has a 5% chance to produce a 100 game nhler. HB has horrible skating. Kuzy is not good defensively, and having Slothberdeau as his C isn't going to help him. At least he fits in with the no accoutability route Calgary is building towards.

[@nawewan]

late 1st pick...worth it

[@jimgap3654]

Next Move should be dishing Zadorov to Toronto (50% retained) for Ryan Reaves and a 2024 1st rd pick. Use this 1st rd pick as a chip to get Chris Tanev. Reaves can be buried in the minors.

[@joshm9363]

Or just not? They’re trying to win now, surely Zadorov offers them more right now for that purpose than crappy Reaves and something like the 18th choice of 17/18 year old kids?

[@scottelement]

Reeves is trash

[@GRehillMusic]

Canucks fan coming out of the chinese homes they rent.

[@Broncos18]

Tanev is trash. You talk about him like he is Cale Makar its laughable. Always injured.

[@user-by3nd4rm6c]

Has he always been injured with the Flames? Not sure he has been

[@joshm9363]

If the Canucks can trade a very late first round pick for a Cale Makar clone they’re idiots for not doing so, idiots I say! Be real, Tanev is still a reliable top 4 right side defenceman. It was never trash in Vancouver and hasn’t been in Calgary either.

[@lannon4prez]

@@joshm9363 tanev would be on the second pair only when foote and tocchet jumble the pairings up or if we get injuries. He’s a depth piece at this point in the game. 3rd pair up and down for injuries. Juulsen is better than tanev right now. I love tanev but that’s a fact.

[@AlexSilver-n6p]

They paid way to much

[@hupur]

Donnie nailed it Tocchet is at fault! Get rid of Tocchet..he's Toxic!

[@leematson8484]

Ricky beating his drums. Horrible! Horrible!

[@hupur]

This trade sux bring back Bruce there it is!

[@carletonrutherford1799]

I like Lindholm, but that was a LOT to give up for him. It would be fine if he wasn't on an expiring contract. If he asks for $8 or $9 million per year on his next contract and the Canucks don't re-sign him, then it was a terrible trade. Giving up all of that for a rental would be as bad a deal as I have seen a Canucks GM make. If they re-sign him at a reasonable price, then my opinion would change.

[@mrcrpcrp20]

if you win the cup and are unable to resign him it's also a great trade.

[@lannon4prez]

There is not a chance that lindholm commands 8 million next season. He will get 5x3 if anything. He’s 29 and his offence has taken a dip.

[@danquast1914]

I heard he will be asking for 9 mil next year. Canucks won't resign him. Was a truly stupid trade

[@lannon4prez]

@@danquast1914 i dunno who told you that, but they don’t know what they’re talking about. Still, if he thinks he can earn 9 million, i’d be happy to reap the benfits of that.

[@carletonrutherford1799]

@@mrcrpcrp20 If they actually won a cup then any and all criticisms by me are null and void. If they don't win a cup, and they don't re-sign him, then they gave away a TON for a rental.