Lamy 2000 VS Parker 51!

[@jmotiff]

In my opinion these are the 2 greatest pens. I have a 70 year old 51 and it writes better than any contemporary pen I own. A true workhorse. The 2000 is timeless. I love the simple clean lines and the tight design tolerances. Love them both, but if I had to go with only 1 pen for the rest of my life, it would be the 51.

[@AG-en5y]

How does the vintage 51 compare to the 2022? I have the 2022 steel nib and it’s ok.

[@jmotiff]

The vintage 51s are worlds better than the new...plenty of videos comparing the 2.

[@derekdavis5720]

Great to see this again. Recent convert to the Lamy 2000, but for me it’s the Parker 51 every time. You’ve made a brilliant video and a great case for each pen. The Parker has a kind of charm. No 2 pens are the same and full of character when writing with them. It is possible to pick up a decent Parker 51 in good working order but perhaps with some superficial scars for a low price. I’m doing a short piece about the Parker 51 for my local writing circle, which has enhanced my appreciation of the pen. Like the Lamy 2000 perhaps it is a brilliantly conceived and executed fountain pen. A great design icon of the last century. Thank you Doodle Bud

[@cilllee2308]

This channel is underrated

[@Doodlebud]

Thanks buddy! Subscribes help me increase my footprint 😉

[@nitina8564]

I have always been of the opinion if you are confused between two things and dont know which one to buy, buy both and ypu wont regret. I have always been happy following this. This video i was still helpful and entertaining atthe same time.

[@PuthirVanam4U]

You nailed it bro!

[@aprils.]

I’m a lefty, and I didn’t really experience the supposed “sweet spot” at all with my fine nib Lamy. It actually suited my writing style very naturally. I haven’t had the pleasure of trying a 51, yet.

[@saiyajedi]

According to Wikipedia, the name was selected because the design was finalized in 1939, the company’s 51st year. (The actual release coincided with US entry into World War II, and it remained scarce until the late 1940s.)

[@gregcooper8466]

Thanks for the video. I have a Lamy 2000, and I am a lefty, and I have not found a lot of trouble with the sweet spot. I am able to write with it just fine. I have also had to take it apart to service (the plunger end came off the piston after not having been used for a few months), but thanks to SBRE Brown I was able to service it very easily. As for the Parker 51, I have a couple Jinhao 51A's, and would love to get the Parker 51 as well.

[@RichardVillarreal]

Lamy 2000 is in the Museum Of Modern Art

[@markferguson3365]

For me, it's the Lamy 2000. Mostly because of availability, nib options, and you can still get it factory serviced!

[@cjmillsnun]

There IS a cartridge/converter option with the 51. It's rare but it exists. I'm not counting the cash grab monstrosity with the jotter nib that they call the 51 now. Aerometric sacs from the 50s are still going strong now as they are pvc rather than latex.

[@barbarah-p8661]

Nice comparison. My new Parker 51 came today. It writes as nicely as my ca. 1948 Parker 51 Demi w/ and extra extra fine nib. I'm happy I bought it. BTW, good video. Thanks for the comparison.

[@davidanderson3425]

Thanks for the video. Two iconic designs and difficult to pick a winner. Enjoying your channel.

[@Doodlebud]

No way to pick a winner here. Two great pens, and enjoy using each one. So many great things to say about each

[@kapirk2244]

I have both and love both. If I had to sell one, it would probably be the Lamy.

[@jesusdiezgrijalvo6036]

I love the way you do your videos. Really different to the rest of pen tubers. I had started just six months ago with fountain pens. I have both y do really enjoy both very much. One thing I like the Lamy 2000 it is that it is so discrete (or you say unobstrusive) that people may think it's not a fountain pen. Saludoa desde España. Feliz 2021.

[@Doodlebud]

It's a really great pen, glad you're enjoying it & thanks for the kind words 😁

[@recht181]

Glad this came up on my feed again. I feel like one of the downfalls of the Lamy 2000 vs the Parker 51 is that it's only a semi-hooded nib. What I mean to say is that the nib dries up too quickly depending on the ink because the L2K has some of the nib slit too exposed; whereas the Parker 51 doesn't have the same problem. I noticed this even when both pens are capped.

[@richardwong7473]

I'm a leftie and own a Parker 51 and the Lamy 2000M (the Steel one). I had no trouble hitting the sweet spot on the 51. However I hated the 2000 in Medium. I had to contact Lamy to do a warranty swap for an oblique nib. It's not on Lamy's US/CAN site as it seems to be an European exclusive, but they will swap you for one. Lamy's Leftie nibs are basically oblique medium as they both cant to the left on paper. I own a Lamy Lx in LH and a Lamy Studio in OB and enjoy writing with them. That might help your friend if they are still interested in the 2000. Great video and I am now a new subscriber! Gonna start with the nib tuning and grinding ones. I have an extra fine Parker 21 that refuses to work with me and tears paper because I am left handed!

[@Doodlebud]

Thanks for sharing your experience, might help others as well. Good to hear your got the right nib for your L2K so now its to your liking. Hope your nib adjusting turns out well. One thing to keep in mind is to try to do as little tweaking as possible. The VAST majority of nibs that I need to adjust/tune, need only small adjustments. Can usually be done in 1-2min or less. In the words of Hank Hill to Beavis & ButtHead when they were tasked with cutting his hedges... "It's not what you cut, its what you don't cut."

[@santauxia]

In my opinion the Lamy 2000 is the winner all the way. After five decades is still a conversation piece. Niece video as always, Thanks DB.

[@Doodlebud]

Thanks Santa! 🎅

[@IAT1964]

I own and use both. For me the P51 is a better pen overall. The great thing about the LAMY is that its a piston filler. From a robustness and reliability point of view nothing can touch a P51 aerometric. Its almost indestructible. I also have some trouble with the "sweet spot" on the LAMY, which is just me.

[@strshooter7399]

Informative, and well done. DB, your reviews are a pleasure to watch. Thanks

[@Doodlebud]

Thanks for the kind words 😁🙏

[@bobmajor2204]

I have owned a Parker 51 since the 1950's and used it at school and University and I am still using it. It has never had any problems but I clean it every few months. The nib has worn at an angle as one would expect. At present it is filled with Schaeffer red ink. My other fountain pens are three Lamy Safari with broad nibs using Lamy ink(blue or black) either from bottles(at home) or cartridge when travelling. I hope that the Safaris last as well as has the Parker 51. Thank you for the informative video and comments from other people. Bob Major Adelaide South Australia.

[@derekdavis5720]

Both great I couldn’t choose. But love the fact that my Parker 51 is over 70 years old. With the the aero metric filling system. The Lamy wins on weight. The Parker is the better writer. Hard to choose.

[@criscavi19]

Great pens both of them! If I had to choose between, I'd stay with the Lamy 2000 Makrolon version.

[@alexeystarintsev9387]

Thanks! Good video. I have Lamy 2000 EF. Everybody says it's great pen, but.... I have not had any problems with sweet spot and i think it's great pen. Well, it's most caprisious and noughty pen i have. May be I'm just not lucky.

[@highnoon9333]

I know this video is three years old but I'm a lefty and I've been having some trouble with my brand new L2K's "Sweet spot." I've found it a few times but I can't seem to keep it consistently at the proper angle to find it again. I'm hoping to be able to go to a pen show at some point in the near future and get it looked at by a nibmeister to see how it might be able to be adjusted to fit my writing style. It's my "grail pen" and I want it to be absolutely perfect

[@duckmcf]

I’ve had two 2000s and three 51s (2x Vac & 1x Aero) for years, and honestly I can’t separate them. If I had to pick one over the other, I’d give to the 2000. I’m a sucker for a piston filler with an ink window…

[@derekdavis5720]

Meant to add great video. Some very helpful tips. I’m not handy but only use very safe inks in these 2. The Parker 51 I own has a new sac.

[@gregchristopher1961]

68' Camaro...cool. My 3rd car (after two cheap VW bugs) was an Orange and Black 69 Camaro RS SS 427 4 speed. Man, that thing got me into a lot of trouble. Oh how we change - now, in my late 60's I am keenly interested in the differences between a Parker 51 and a Parker 61. (oh, btw, after the Camaro, I also had a HEMI GTX. However, at this stage in my life I am getting wet over the acquisition of an Orange 1928 Parker Duofold)

[@Doodlebud]

Beyond the lovely roar, classic cars have their little quirks and problems. Much like an fountain pen. But we look past them in appreciation of the styling, the feel the use gets, the customization, and all the different options that are out there. Still not as cool as slamming gears in my 68' with an M21 4-speed, but better than a bic thats for sure 😂

[@borjesvensson8661]

I have a feeling your leftie friend would have no problem with a new pen and you had simply worn in your as a right handed pen. Btw i think the piston filler actually are more resilient. Almost all old piston fillers work after a soak but sack pens almost never work if they are not the "modern" areomatic or a copy thereof with modern sac materials. The only part on piston fillers that wear out is the piston head but it is much easier to acces than the sac on sac fillers. Even my pelican 100 from 1937-1944 or so worked directly when i found it! And that is the first piston filler pen there was (even if mine is at least 8 years older than the very first ones). I had to fix the piston head but a little bit of plumbers teflon tape on the piston did the job! I mean my areomatic 51 works perfectly too but it would not be as easy to fix if the sac gives up one day...

[@greenerick]

Might be old fashioned pens but will last a lifetime Plus great video

[@EmilehUnk]

I’m a leftie. I have no trouble at all with finding the sweet spot of the Lamy. I have both a EF and F nib.

[@Doodlebud]

Thx for letting us know it's lefty friendly too👍

[@parz7val386]

Great review! I’m a lefty and have had zero problems with the Lamy 2k I loved learning the sweet spot as it forced me to focus on hand position but that’s my personal opinion! I lost my Lamy last week in a tragic fall off the bed of my truck accident.

[@Doodlebud]

Sorry to hear about your loss 😞.... Let us all give a moment of silence 🙏

[@parz7val386]

@@Doodlebud it shall only be replaced with a Blue Lamy 2K. That’s how I pay homage.

[@Doodlebud]

@@parz7val386 Noice! Don't leave that puppy in your truck bed 😂

[@andrewtongue7084]

Hey, Db, long time - no write. I have both of these pens, & as a lefty, I can categortically state that I have no issues with using the 2000 & it's 'sweet spot' - but in consideration, I am an underwriter (as opposed to perpendicular or 'hook' writing position - that may well be the factor with your friend. If you do rotate your scribe(s) somewhat whilst putting pen to paper, that too shall (also) present issues; if you purchase one with flat ground nibs ~ EF, F, M, B, then these may cause irritation, but with the Oblique options ~ OM, OB, OBB, they shall offer advantages in terms of that sweet area, but sure, there's always going to be something that doesn't necessarily agree with an individual's own writing style/position.... I do love that blue on your '51 - compliments the lustraloy cap perfectly. Great comparison - thank you !!

[@Doodlebud]

Thanks for the input buddy. Yeah, there are so many ways people hold pens and endless writing styles. It can be tricky for some with certain pens. I've never had an issue with writing with any pen/nib, but I know thats not the case for everyone. Good to hear from you 👍

[@andrewtongue7084]

I'm glad we're all different, hey. Great to catch up, too ! 🙂

[@McAmeron089III]

Hey Doodlebud! I have a couple of questions. I have a Parker 51 Special burgundy color;it could use a tuning and maybe a new sac IDK. Who might I contact for some TLC? I just got a Lamy 2000 . Love it to pieces;but wanted to ask if the clips on them is always so weak. Mine will barely put any pressure at all on my shirt pocket. I'm afraid it might fall out if I make a sudden move! Thanks in advance for any/all advice. I enjoy your KZbin channel very much! Thanks for sharing all your knowledge and experiences woith fountain pens. Not sure if yu will actually get this. Hope so.

[@Doodlebud]

For the P51 restore best thing is to find someone local who does it. You can ask perhaps on fountain groups for recommendations in your local area. As for the L2K clip, it sounds faulty. I would let the retailer know & follow their return (RMA) process. The clip should hold properly & securely

[@McAmeron089III]

@@Doodlebud Thanks for your reply. I think I've found just the right person to help the old Parker 51; or at least to advise me further. It's such a cool pen and in very clean condition(I got SUCH A DEAL on it and a very nice old Sheaffers that has the inlaid nib; both in their original boxes),it deserves to be given a makeover. I know the retailer,Goulet, would help me with the L2K but it would mean exchanging the pen. That may be what I will end up doing; but,my pen has such a nice nib...something I will have to consider. The clip is nearly useless. Thanks again!

[@Doodlebud]

@@McAmeron089III just return the pen. You'll get another of the same pen & get the same nib. You shouldn't have any issues with getting another good nib. QC on Lamy golf nibs is very good

[@McAmeron089III]

@@Doodlebud Yes. I know you are right. I don't feel safe carrying it;and I really want to carry it in my shirt pocket. Gotta cowboy up and get the "return portal" in motion. I appreciate your positive motivation.

[@DrPhilologist]

Thoroughly enjoyed it :) You also have a great channel, much more true to life than the bigger pen tubers - most of which I no longer watch. Do you remember what was the ink in the 2000?

[@Doodlebud]

Thanks buddy for the kind words! Parker had Robert Oster Fire and Ice, Lamy had Diamine Midnight 👍

[@13noman1]

Lamy 2000 all day for me. I have a number of Parker 51s (got into a collecting mode) but really didn't like the way they wrote, nor how they fit my hand.

[@enchantingfountainpens6238]

This is absolutely nice comparison

[@edgardoluciocrocetta2437]

Here in Buenos Aires it is possible to get unused Parker 51 pieces, brand new! I own several 51s and two Lamy 2000s, one in black resin and one in steel. The first one is excellent, the second one mmm... Lamy 2000 is an excellent fountain pen, but the 51... I love it! and it writes perfectly without inconveniences. A big problem for me, right? Greetings from Buenos Aires, Argentina. (Sorry for my English)

[@Sonicman415]

Both gorgeous. Lamy 2000 has a more edgy design. Great vid! Need to know the inks you’re using too..

[@Doodlebud]

Lamy 2000 has Diamine Midnight and Parker 51 has Robert Oster Fire & Ice

[@testtester8704]

Omg this video was made for my im bidding agaisnt these two pens for my next and probably finale purchase for a whole

[@sushanart]

Very interesting! Thank you! 😇🩵🙏🙌

[@d.molina5644]

Do you think that the popularity of the Jinhao 51A encouraged Parker to revive the 51?

[@Doodlebud]

Can't say for sure but I would say probably not. I'm thinking it's the new ownership of Parker wanting to put the iconic status of the 51 to use.

[@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart]

Suits bought the brand and want to make their money back.

[@cyberenby3015]

How does the Lamy's semi hooded nib compare to the 51's fully hooded nib in terms of dry-out time?

[@monarchy-5623]

How long have you had your L2000 for? Its makrolon is so shiny

[@Doodlebud]

Several years now. But if I put it into my ultrasonic cleaner it takes it back to similar like new finish

[@grahamparr3933]

Get both, end of story👍

[@daveg686]

👍

[@explorerextraordinaire5472]

❤️❤️😃👍❤️❤️

[@rajarshidasgupta5697]

How much does it cost in India

[@Doodlebud]

Sorry, I have no idea what the prices are in India

[@chemicalcowpoke307]

1911 vs USP. German style is like a brick.

[@rubenbajapantydj]

Lamy wins hands down the Parker sucks I bought the 2021 it’s a disaster of a pen

[@Doodlebud]

Well the new one is very different from the originals. In that comparison, L2K wins over the new 51

[@rubenbajapantydj]

Yeah I wanted vintage but the ones they where trying to sell me where garbage but now hunting for my grail pen Visconti crystal dreams in extra fine

[@Doodlebud]

@@rubenbajapantydj You mean your grail pen until your next grail pen 😏

[@rubenbajapantydj]

Yeah your right until the next etc……………..this is worst than crack drinking and smoking

[@nortoncmd2681]

@@Doodlebud 100% correct. Just like watches.