Doom 1 Sucks The Most - The Briefest Retrospective

[@orvilleredenpiller338]

Warning: This video contains what you clearly clicked on it for.

[@mistymeadowsong]

Then I doubt it would still be on KZbin, but we shall see 0:16

[@Scypek]

I clicked for the reasons why Doom 1 sucks. Not a whole lot of those! I expected gamer sacrilege to be included in the content warning... but I guess it was absent for a reason. Even the mood overview only had a few displeased faces!

[@keiyakins]

I disagree. Knee Deep in the Dead is close to perfect, and in my opinion, The Shores of Hell and Inferno still have a higher ratio of good to bad maps than Doom 2. The only thing propping Doom 2 up is the fact that the handful of extra enemies they added are *really* useful for map designers outside of id. ... Also, TNT Evilution exists.

[@kellymountain]

kditd is mediocre at best and the game peaks at episode 3. ill have to make you turn on texture filtering for that

[@bababooey5402]

​@@kellymountain Ew, god no. That's a fate worse than death. And IMO, I agree with Inferno being good, but Knee-Deep in The Dead is a great opener and its levels are mostly just simple fun. Nothing ground-breaking, certainly, but especially for a 1993 game, I don't think it needed to. My absolute least favorites are The Shores of Hell and Thy Flesh Consumed. Both are really boring to me, though I haven't really touched E4 in a while so maybe I'm misremembering.

[@teaoftraffic]

plutonia is probably my favorite out of all the classic doom releases sure it’s hard but it’s just the kind of dopamine i want tnt is definitely there too

[@keiyakins]

Thy Flesh Consumed is fine, other than the first level being utterly brutal on UV. I kinda treat it as an extra bonus though, since it was added later.

[@teaoftraffic]

@@keiyakins yea e4m1 is BRUTAL on UV legit the only form of health are the 7 health bonuses no stimpacks or medkits (at least the ps1 version added some to make the start of it not nearly impossible)

[@Eric_Nomad_Hixtone]

After the humiliation of the every Doom game so far i expect to see something like: "Doom 2016 is the worst game in existence", or "Eternal is the shame of Doom legacy " or something next. And the plot twist will be that Doom 3 is the best, and the internet explodes once more with controversy and fights over opinions

[@GermanPeter]

I liked 2016 a lot, actually. Kind of a weird middle-ground between the realistic military shooters of the early 2010s and the (now) modern shooters that are willing to experiment. I mean, it was in development for about a decade. Eternal though... woof. That one's super weird. It's far too difficult and loves spamming enemies at you, and forces you to swap weapons CONSTANTLY. There's also a lot of bloat in the game. I mean, there are three to four different melee attacks. Why not just one? Definitely feels like they they felt they had to one-up the original by adding more, more more. Oh, and the story is lame and doesn't fit the gameplay in my opinion. Like they wanted to make a separate game but had to connect it to the Doom IP. Doom 3 is fine. It's not perfect, but it has its moments. I wanna play Resurrection of Evil one day.

[@rukifellth2]

​@@GermanPeter Thank you, thats how I feel about 2016 & Eternal. LOVE 2016, but Eternal was weird and bloated. Still fun thoe, but feels like someones Doom fanfic.

[@lainamitclaire]

@@GermanPeter Very well said. Eternal is the kind of game whose design I feel is just extremely bloated. A bunch of incredibly unnecessary gameplay mechanics exist in Doom Eternal purely because it artificially inflates the APM required to play the game. Doom isn't more fun when you're having to play Simon Says every two seconds in a fight, it's just tedious. It's a crutch for lack of encounter design and map design. It would be fine if ammo pools were larger, because it would let the weapons stand out more, but as it stands the primary fires in Doom Eternal are actually the *secondary* fires, you actually are supposed to be starting, solving, and ending most fights with the secondary fires of your shotgun, and your machine gun. All the other weapons are just low ammo count chaff meant to finish off enemies, and the various, unnecessary additions like the flame belch, grenades, blood punch, crucible, and so on are just extensions of that flawed design philosophy. It's a game that could have been sooooooo much better, and instead it lost the magic of what made not only Doom good, but especially what freedom made Doom 2016 so great. It's frustrating!

[@DanoLefourbe]

@@GermanPeter So, I LOVE Eternal, but I see how those points might annoy somebody, totally fair. It IS weird. For the several melee attacks, it's part of the "panic economy" that's at the core of the gameplay, since each gives a different ressource. That's the purpose of having several of them. Each fight is like a frantic puzzle, where you're constantly low on health, on armor, on ammo, and have to prioritize on what to regenerate with what you have and what you're facing. Personally I loved it because of how unique it was with its ressource management. I didn't find it more difficult than 2016 though, just differently paced. With maybe a little bit too much awkward platforming. To each his own, and I can totally understand people prefering 2016. it is very different, and your points are fair.

[@GermanPeter]

@@DanoLefourbe My issue with the melee attacks is just that there are too many. You have the regular fist, which is 100% useless now unless you're executing someone. But you also have the chainsaw to execute enemies. You also have a blood punch to instakill enemies. There's also Berserk, which makes your punch an instakill attack too. And then later, you get the Crucible, which is the same as Berserk, just with ammo. Why not cut out the middle man and ONLY have the Crucible? Why so many different ways to kill enemies from up close? I completely forgot about the blood punch halfway through. And the fact you constantly run out of ammo...it's too much for me. I couldn't enjoy my time with the game, because I was just constantly twitching around, running from enemy to enemy just so I could get a few bullets back. I find it ironic that the game which builds up the Doom Slayer as the ultimate power fantasy is the game in which I felt LESS powerful.

[@shinyagumon7015]

Be honest with me, Peter, the mood board was just an excuse to show off all your expressions that you normally don't get to use very often, wasn't it? Can't say I blame you, I really like your avatar too.

[@GermanPeter]

I don't use about half the expression sprites that I have, actually :P And no, the original idea was to use Doomguy, but then I thought: "Wait, I already have faces, why don't I just use those?"

[@shinyagumon7015]

@@GermanPeter Well, clearly, that means we need a mod where your avatar replaces Doomguy as the health bar.😂

[@DissonanceEngineer]

Feels like a "SMB sucks because it isn't SMB3" type sentiment. I really like your videos so there's no negative emotion behind this at all, but it's akin to saying a giant sucks because the multitudes standing on its shoulders are technically higher off the ground.

[@GermanPeter]

I mean, you gotta point out these shortcomings, even if they're easily explained. Because even despite them, a game can still be good. For instance, and this may surprise you - I prefer SMB1 over SMB3 precisely BECAUSE it's simpler. You go from A to B without detours and that's all I want from a Mario game. And in the end, I did say that while Doom is dated, it's still pretty darn good and you can have a great time if you put yourself in the right mindset. I'd never say that about a game like, I dunno, TFClassic.

[@DissonanceEngineer]

@@GermanPeter Which is totally a fair take to have, no qualms at all, everything made by humans has flaws, but also is a distinct statement vs. saying it sucks, that's all. I myself prefer Doom 2 overall, but I wouldn't say Doom sucks, not even by comparison, it's too monumental of a work. Doom 2 is essentially just Doom with extra Doom (at the cost of having what many consider lesser level design - I'm undecided personally but I can see where people feel that way, I just like most of Sandys maps honestly).

[@GermanPeter]

The "it sucks" part was added to all the reviews, starting with the Doom 64 ones. I even said that Doom 2 sucks. It's not meant to be taken seriously :P

[@bababooey5402]

​@@GermanPeter Thank you, my brain can literally never pick up on that so when I first saw that you released that Doom 64 video, I suddenly fucking hated you for it. I genuinely felt betrayed lol

[@inkmime]

What kinda knee caps Doom 1's enjoyment for me long term is just how truly limiting the first game's roster of enemies are as you go farther in. There are basically no good mid-tier enemies to fill the kinda massive gap between the trash mobs and the fucking walls of meat that are Barons of Hell. Basically all of the demon enemies are also just like, variations on the imp basically. Still good stuff to be had, just goddamn I actually start missing revenants due to a lack of combat variety.

[@GermanPeter]

Yeah, that was a big issue for me too. You really notice the absence of Hell Knights really quickly. They could have made up for it with Cacodemons, but even those have too much HP.

[@geometrical007]

Peter and Ahoy releasing a Doom analysis video that makes you think about something you’d never think of this game in a span of one hour is spectacular

[@Grease-Goblin]

Thanks for the notice that Ahoy put out a video. I suppose it is about that time of year.

[@Steve.Matheus]

My fav rpg

[@Eric_Nomad_Hixtone]

The difference is that Ahoy doesn't hate the entire Doom series aside from 4.

[@humanharddrive1]

who’s ahoy

[@ShallowVA]

Welcome to the House of Pain fan club! You will be issued a complimentary slab of green hell marble shortly.

[@lecoindugamer7644]

Imagine how bad he will insult tnt if he knows that it exists

[@bobsaturday5840]

Master Levels and Maximum Doom.

[@feudela4357]

its not april anymore :c

[@lostsoul6814]

Honestly, Doom 1 is my favourite - not perfect, but favourite - classic Doom game. It's the one that I'm most inclined to revisit. Yeah the Super Shot Gun is cool, and Doom 64 does have a great atmosphere, but every time I've revisited them the allure of said features fades the more I play. Doom 1 is so charming in its simplicity that it feels so easy to come back to even after a while (secret hunting is also slightly less frustrating in Doom 1). Every time I pick up Doom 2 or 64 again I feel like I have to relearn a lot to get to the point of enjoying the gameplay. I like how Doom 1 is broken up into episodes. Each section ramps up as you advance, and its nice that the start of a new episode - usually - feels like a breather. The episode system provides predictable spots to rest, whereas calmer levels in the other games come and go as they please. It's also really cool how each episode has its own mood and aesthetic, and how they evolve from each other.

[@Handlebared]

Episode 2 is the best out of the three in my opinion. it introduces the cacodemon one of the best enemies in doom history. as well as the plasma gun witch is probably one of my favourite weapons in the classic doom games. and fighting the cyber-demon at the end is awesome.

[@IzunaSlap]

E2M4 is the best Doom 1 level imo. Love the atmosphere, the design, and the haunting music (which is apparently the outro of Alice Cooper's "Killer"!).

[@cato3277]

@@IzunaSlape2m4 goes crazy. I love nearly everything about it.

[@TheBrazilRules]

It really boggles my mind that Cyber Demon is not the last boss. Spider Mastermind has nothing on it.

[@thesubinion]

the music was definitely better here than in doom 2 though and then TNT just blows both out of the water in that regard

[@Patrick-zj9zs]

Really? From what I remember, only the music for map 5 was any good. There was even a cover of it done for Ashes 2063. The rest of TNT's music sounded pretty grating or repetitive, especially in map 2.

[@Zenlore6499]

When I first played it fully, and I realized how nice it is to have the Super Shotgun in Doom 2. It’s so unsatisfying to peg away at a Caco with this little peashooter!

[@GermanPeter]

Do, I'd love to peg a Caco. Hm? Super Shotgun? Oh... yeah.... that's what I meant....

[@Zenlore6499]

@@GermanPeter PPFFFFFTT!! 🤣

[@beaniewearingbastard3125]

@@GermanPeter Making good use of those holes, i see.

[@sirlethdoomer1993]

4:07 I did not expect this to even be mentioned honestly, that is probably the worst ever doom level by a landslide

[@GermanPeter]

I think Betray is worse. But then again, I've never played either :P

[@sirlethdoomer1993]

@@GermanPeter I like Betray more only because seeing the officers in the sewers is hilarious, it gives you a BFG, and it takes so much less time to beat

[@keiyakins]

To be fair, Sewers and Betray were made by amateurs in 1994 and 1995. Those amateurs just happened to go on to do the 360 port and include them as a "signature" of sorts.

[@FryazinoStation]

*camel sound* Sewer count: POS_INFINITY

[@damien__j]

Someone gets this man a copy of Doom Master Levels

[@Raddaman8000]

As someone with very little original nostalgia for the game (my first Doom title was 2016 on Switch, YEAH), I personally find Doom 1 more cozy than Doom 2, likely because of the episodic format, but maybe for other reasons too. The music choices feel more engaging than Doom 2 to me, and while yes, the gameplay is more interesting in 2, at the same time 1 just has this... charm I can't let go of. Scrounging around for secrets in the cramped passageways, blowing up hordes of imps when its really not necessary to bother with the rocket launcher in the first place... it could just be my noob brain saying "Doom 1 easier = more fun" but I think it also nails a better atmosphere than 2 does, if not for the environments then for the character of Doomguy himself.

[@totallynoteverything1.]

sandy said that the spider mastermind fight was underwhelming, because he tested all of his maps with a pistol start lol

[@Cats-TM]

You should review games of that era that use the Doom engine such as Strife or Heretic.

[@CptSourcebird]

It's funny how you uploaded this as soon as I beat the first episode of this game vanilla. I plan to go through this entire game alongside Doom 2!

[@loganpaschedag8829]

The one thing that makes the original Doom great is how memorable the levels are in comparison with Doom II due to how looooonng the two chapters of Doom II were

[@thesmilingman7576]

1:24 we'd still have Duke just not the radical Duke from the third game we see in first person

[@MrHappyGuyChum]

aint no way bro said that e2m4 and bloody e2m6 were bad.

[@GermanPeter]

E2M4 is mostly fine, but E2M6 SUCKS. It's just full of insanely dark, cramped mazes with random enemies throughout. Conceptually and aesthetically it's pretty interesting, but it's NOT a map I like to play. It doesn't even utilize Doom's movement engine well, it's more of a tech demo for the lighting and audio to get atmosphere across.

[@MrHappyGuyChum]

@@GermanPeter yeah I see what you mean and thinking about it now e2m6 isnt very good, i was thinking about how people talk about how atmospheric it is, but in practise its just frustrating, expecially when going for all items.

[@stephensalex]

Hi Peter, I love the original Doom, but I have to tell you that I agree with each and every criticism you raised because they all register over 30 years of frustration inside me haha.

[@r.g.thesecond]

Honestly Doom 1 makes me feel conflicted; On one hand, it is what started it all and it is something everyone should experience, but on the other hand, is it okay that it is many people's first impression of Doom? Sometimes I advocate for No Rest For The Living becoming the standard entry point for any newcomer but that one has the unfair advantage of coming out years later and being developed with a lot more playtesting. Not to mention it definitely doesn't have that early id energy??? (can't verify that point about playtesting, but there is NO WAY it is that well-oiled without professional QA. It has some modern Valve-level quality to it)

[@GermanPeter]

I think it's a good start. You definitely still need that mindset of "this is old, this is jank, but it's still fun", but that doesn't mean it'll ruin your perception of what the old games are about. I mean, you start with episode 1, the BEST one. You'll immediately fall in love with it.

[@FryazinoStation]

Yes, after e2m2 everything goes downhill. But... maybe that's intentional? After all, you're descending into Hell, the place of eternal punishment. And since demons can't turn Doomguy into a human barbecue, that's what Doomguy's eternal punishment amounts to. Did you enjoy brutally murdering a wave of imps and cacodemons with your shotgun? Here's another identical wave! With the same shotgun! Is your enjoyment diminishing? Why, yes, Doomguy gets the eternal punishment and you, the player, start to feel it. ...or I'm overthinking a little.

[@tiefighter3445]

I remember I had Doom 2 before I got a hold of Doom 1 but I preferred Doom 1 most of the time.

[@ArgSel]

Doom 1 was good but Chex Quest *is* amazing.

[@GermanPeter]

Oh you're gonna love my next video

[@Kirby_Super]

I actually really love Unholy Cathedral. Its aesthetics are awesome. Against the Wickedly would've single handedly redeemed Episode 4 if it was full of crappy maps, but it still has other levels I love like M1, M2, M3, and M8.

[@GermanPeter]

Aesthetically, it's fantastic. Basically what inspired all of Doom 64's hell levels. Gameplay-wise... no thanks. It's just random teleporters.

[@Kirby_Super]

@@GermanPeter hehe, I like random teleporters :)

[@thomased22legoyodagaming]

I like Doom 1 wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than Doom 2. Episodic structure is great. Doom 2 dropping the episodic structure, and having much more painful level design than doom 1 both contribute to just making it a not very enjoyable experience. I also quite like Doom 1's endgame personally. The new monsters were essential to keeping the level making community alive, and the SSG, well, there's an argument against the SSG but I don't hate it like other people I know. Doom 2 is a necessary evil at best IMO.

[@aguy8736]

Kinda funny, for me it's the opposite. Doom 1 is the most boring in episode one (barring e1m1). All the levels feel pretty much exactly the same. Episode 2 and 3 are lot more enjoyable, probably due to more enemies, weapons, and the fact they're generally more challenging since episode 1 was basically a tutorial, and intentionally watered down to convince people to buy the rest of the game. (Also I don't get the hate for slough of despair, or claustrophobic spaces in doom in general, being quick on your feet and responding quickly to an enemy all up in your face is just as fun for me as the rest of the game)

[@teaoftraffic]

4:43 you know it’s bad that when i first played ultimate doom, i had to use NOCLIP TO EVEN GET AROUND THE PLACE BECAUSE THE TELEPORTER MAZE WAS SO CONFUSING

[@PowerUpT]

I agree with your points, but nothing in Doom 1 annoys me as much as Doom II's city levels and stupid tightropes.

[@hoseamatthews1844]

map 13 of doom 2 can suck a dick for all i care

[@The_Future_isnt_so_Bright]

The PS1 version has the best sky in hell. The fire really adds to the atmosphere And the PS1's soundtrack or ambience really sets the tone that you are in hell.

[@wiggytommy8607]

You should do a video on Final Doom & The Master Levels

[@1987nightrap]

Episode 4 shows something that is in a lot of doom, and thats the inconsistent difficulty

[@dotcomgamingd5564]

now Im curious, do you think Episode 4 also continues the downwards trend of the maps? also despite playing doom 1 way more recently than everyone else (2020) Im generally way less critical towards the game. personally Episode 3 is my favorite.

[@GermanPeter]

Last time I played it (which was YEARS ago), I genuinely hated it. Maybe I've warmed up to it these days, but I dunno. I remember running out of ammo and health a lot.

[@esmerylan]

@@GermanPeter Episode 4 gets off to a rough start and I think that warps everyone's memories of the episode as a whole. Nothing is as bad as E4M1, it's the only map where ammo and health are genuinely a problem, even Romero's maps are manageable despite their sadism once you learn the ideal way to progress (i.e. how to telefrag the Cyberdemon in E4M2, getting the invuln before fighting the Cyber in E4M6).

[@ad8012]

eh doom 64s maps are just straight puzzles sometimes. really annoying and the lack of mods and expansion packs + 20 years waiting for an official pc port. Had to use cheats all the way through 64 cause it wasnt really fun without them *and the lack of enemies or anything new really besides the unmaker

[@rotbuxe2301]

Slough of Despair is awesome. Well if you are not cautious you run out of ammo but the mood is so nice!

[@doritorancho4735]

Wait until he plays Plutonia lmaoo

[@GermanPeter]

xDDDDDDDDDDD

[@FightingForceSoulless]

But I forgive it that for the great ending (not the boss fight), and it being the original. Episode one is the best, and then it's ups and down. But it gave us soooo much! I actually like Slough of Despair and I think I might be the only one. Still, it's true. It has flaws, like low monster variety, and questionable design choices. One of the interviews in 1994, someone from ID clearly states that "the expertise of the designers will show in Doom II", and, he's right. Doom II is superior in every way. So, picture this. Look at what Romero was able to do with Doom. Imagine what he will do with Doom II. Honestly, can't fait for Hellion.

[@Painocus]

I also like Slough of Despair.

[@AmyStrikesBack]

My favorte classic tittle... And yet the own that i have the moast problems with, the lack of enimy variety makes the late levels a sludge, i hate the entirety of thy flesh consome, the amount of cacos and barons makes me miss the super shotgun and sometimes the level design is a mess, and yet it still have my favorite gameplay and level design, specially the inferno's chapter with the coolest hell i ever played trough, with my favorite map (e3m9) having the perfect bait and switch, in general, yea its a game

[@AmyStrikesBack]

Note: nostalgia is not a factor, i only started playing Doom around 2017 and Doom 2 was my introduction to the series

[@frabig]

Great video as always, Peter! Despite Doom 1 being my favourite one among the classic ones, I can't deny you pointed out all extremely fair points. What really makes it the ultimate (pun intended) Doom for me is that the mix between story and gameplay is much more balanced in this one than in both Doom 2 and 64. It's true that Doom is not about the story, but it's fair to say the plot in this one is much more easy to follow and entertaining: you get also a lot of visual references to understand what's happening such as loading screens that describe your journey and final episode pictures.

[@kayeplaguedoc9054]

I disagree, doom 2's sloggy levels are worse than doom 1s sloggy levels

[@n3onkn1ght]

Doom 1 jank is still less egregious than Doom 2 jank. At least Doom 1 tried to take itself seriously, as opposed to all those fucking Sandy P. meme maps ... no, thank you.

[@_plg]

no, pretty sure Master Levels sucks the most

[@Raptors2.o]

In my opinion,doom 1 is a greatest in the franchise because it’s just fun and never gets old.

[@anthonyspecf]

Doom is a game from my childhood and one of my favorites. It's hard to say for me if it holds up, or if it's all nostalgia. Regardless I find myself going back to it from time to time and I always enjoy playing it

[@graberassadventures3539]

you know what. i have to give it to you. that was a classy and informative look at the game. so i can say that i agree with the overall outlook. Doom 1 does have the most problems, but it also has the most upgrades overall. theres 2 ways to look at it.

[@aanproduction1516]

I have some dissagrements on your states in this series (especially the Doom 2 one), but would like to see this kind of video on Quake. I generally think Quake has even more of problems, but just like Doom 64 they usually get overlooked.

[@DeadPixel1105]

Respectfully disagree. I enjoy Ultimate Doom far more than Doom II, even with it's flaws. When I'm playing through Doom II, I find myself feeling bored pretty often, despite the addition of the Super Shotgun and double the enemy roster. Those Doom II maps feel like a chore for me on repeated playthroughs. I get that feeling of boredom as well with Ultimate Doom, but nowhere near as much.

[@BorisAnatolievich]

Let me bring some diversity in opinions: i think doom 2 is actually worst title of classic doom. Doom 1 IMO has better weaponry balance while doom 2's SSG brings the instrument that could replace everything while battling medium-tenacity enemies. Even boss enemies could be mowed down because of ~100% stun every shot. In general it is same situation as the classic Serious Sam first encounter vs second encounter.

[@GermanPeter]

Damn you should watch my Doom 2 review!

[@Zane_Is_Insane]

​@@GermanPeterYour voice is addicting

[@iamnoob573]

4:06 didn't expect that

[@arthurdsjrjbr]

Well I do consider Doom 1 to be the best of classic Doom, but I do agree with you, episodes 2 and 3 never clicked a lot with me outside of the first maps of ep2 but episode 1 to me does give it the crown. I really loved your video interpreting Doom 2 levels and trying to give it a meaning storywise tho, I'd love to see another of those for Doom 1 too.

[@fromD7]

I agree with the criticism but 64 will always be worse imo because it was the first to remove the Doom flavor, similar to what we saw in 3. Silent and eerie, almost like a diet horror game. Doom is and always has been fast paced rock and roll, that doesn't take itself so seriously. Take that away, and it's no longer Doom.

[@Lugbzurg]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone cite Episode 1 as the best. I keep seeing Episode 2 pedestalled as the fan-favorite!

[@fredudeyt]

I was about to post a similar video but I won’t get angry about it because someone actually talked about this topic!

[@fredudeyt]

Ok, I have watched the full video: I can confidently say this is the best thing I’ve ever heard.

[@GermanPeter]

Ok now you go make your video!

[@fredudeyt]

@GermanPeter thanks for the reply! May I mention your video in my project?

[@GermanPeter]

@@fredudeyt 100%!

[@fredudeyt]

@GermanPeter Omega-thanks!

[@GibusWearingMann]

Once I played enough of the game to have an opinion, my thought was always that Doom was a great game with not so great levels, but that only served as motivation for community map makers to try and do better, so the game is better for it anyway.

[@TheBrazilRules]

I think this is the wrong way to look at this. Despite all of it's flaws, Doom 1 is a blast to play through all the 3 original episodes(Thy Flesh Consumed is unreasonable difficult, as If they expected you to save every new sector. On the other hand Doom 64 might be the most "technically good" game, but I usually do what I did the first time I played it. Stop playing in the first level. It is simply NOT fun. They really missed what made Doom great in the first place.

[@CidCDdrafts]

My friends could never get into classic doom because it is such a "were tf do I go" type of game. At least the modern games fixed this problem with the use of waypoints.

[@glitchedoom]

Doom 1 is my favorite, I don't enjoy Doom II nearly as much. I enjoy the simplicity.

[@LinusDickens]

Would it kill you to get some new music?

[@GermanPeter]

I'm sorry my free KZbin series doesn't have enough unique music for your taste :(

[@LinusDickens]

Its not a criticism, geez, its just that youve been doing this for years with the same music.

[@SammyRenard]

Hot take: The best Doom 1 is PS1 Doom

[@rapappathepepper3996]

I agree, honestly, no biases.

[@jr.jackrabbit10]

if you haven't yet, please try to play through the 3rd episode of doom. i remember being exhausted with the bullshit by the time i was done with it, truly an experience that shapes your character.

[@GermanPeter]

You mean episode 4? Yeah, that was when I immediately stopped having fun. I remember kinda liking it a few levels in, but around that one very brown/beige level, I got so frustrated. Good final boss, though. Much better than the original Doom one.

[@jr.jackrabbit10]

@@GermanPeter i've actually never played episode 4 because of what i've heard about it, i just remember slough of despair and teleporters inside pools of blood that damage you and tapped out mentally. that was all a while ago at this point though

[@yusukeelric]

Doom 1 is a masterpiece of its time, and a clear evolution from Wolfenstein 3d, but it still carries some of wolf 3d limitations. OK. Doom has like 12 enemies, but in reality it has 3 Melee Hit scan Single projectile Mancubus, double projectile Arch vile, revives enemies, causes you to explode if you are in his sight Revenant, homing missiles. Pain elemental, summons lost souls. DOOM 1 has NONE of those gimmicks. They have those 3 enemies, some with different properties. For example. Imp Flying double imp Walking octuple imp. Missile super imp Then it has Bullet boy 8 bullet boy Bullet brain And them Pinky Semi transparent Pinky Semi dormant pinky that sometimes remembers you exist and flies. Then The WEAPON problem So... you got some tanky enemies. Anything that is not shotgunner, imp or zombie. Anything beyond that requires missiles, or plasma. There is a problem here. Most of the game will give you bullets and shotgun ammo. The chaingunis the best solution when you got no rockets or plasma.... But what about the shotgun? It suckjs. IT JUST SUCKS. doom shotgun is great to kill anything weaker than a cacodemon, And as expected the game will start throwing you more and more cacos and barons. so you DEPEND on saving missiles. and forget plasma, it's kinda scarce in Doom 1. You can save it for the big guys, Like barons. But you won't waste plasma in cacos. Doom 2 beyond the new enemies, introduced the magestic SUPER SHOTGUN. It's not only better than the shotgun, its most of the times better than the chaingun. Sometimes, its even preferable to the rocket launcher. It's a godsend. But this is doom 1. You are stuck with shotgunning most of the game or burning your entire chaingun arsenal to not die of tedium. About the level design... Hard disagree. Doom 2 has better action maps, and far more fun for coop. Doom 1 had the mood. That claustrophobic design is GREAT it makes you feel cornered in a game hwere in reality there is only one enemy that can corner you... or its invisible cousin.

[@myhandleiswhat]

DOOM, fun tech demo, more realized by fan map packs and even some of the original team when they made newer maps for the old games. It's a technical marvel for the time.

[@chazgoat]

two words, master levels.

[@arshiaaghaei]

Gate to Limbo is definitely my least favorite level in Doom 1. It was the only level I was stuck on for quite a while and it's always been annoying.

[@dinitroacetylen]

Am I the only doomer in existence who actually loves E3M2?

[@beaniewearingbastard3125]

Not at all, i really like that map too. Just not as much as E3M3 though, that one's my fav from Ep3.

[@mcerberus7053]

Doom 1 is still a lot better than many clones and rip-offs.

[@HeatmanMKIII]

I tought that i was the only one that find E1 as the peak experience, and that the quality slowly lowers from that point. I love the first half of E2, but almost none of E3. And also don't like much the levels from doom 2. For me, doom E1 style maps with doom 2 monsters, is peak design

[@schlomokomo]

NOOOOO PWEASE DONT HURT DOOM 1 ITS ONE OF MY FAVS

[@DanoLefourbe]

Oh yeah level design in Doom absolutely get worse and worse with each level. In fact, the best way to enjoy the original engine is with custom wads and conversions!

[@supertubular6000]

4:05 E1M10

[@robgull9668]

Doom 1 was good back in the day

[@BisManTheBisMan]

Doom 1 has terrible level design sometimes, but it is still really fun. Except episode 4. All my homies hate episode 4.

[@Vanessinha91Pucca]

Doom is far from perfect, but ppr are obsessed with it so they overlook it many flaws i guess. Granted, Doom isn't the worse, Doom 2 is actually.

[@grashathemalo-furru1838]

why you dont talk about the tnt evolution? i heard that its worse and i wanna see a video of plutonia aswell

[@GermanPeter]

I really, REALLY don't care about those lol

[@grashathemalo-furru1838]

@@GermanPeter WHAAAAAAAA NOOO😭😭😭😭😭

[@SwimSwimHungry]

no, doom 1 doesn't suck, doom 2 doesn't suck, master levels for doom 2 doesn't suck, final doom doesn't suck, doom 64 doesn't suck, doom 3 doesn't suck, doom rpg doesn't suck, doom 2 rpg doesn't suck, doom 2016 doesn't suck, doom eternal doesn't suck and doom the dark ages doesn't suck... the WHOLE doom franchise sucks!

[@ReepEnTeer]

Also, you suck, Peter sucks, i suck, and everything and everyone just SUCKS!

[@skully959]

your accent sounds fancy

[@yusukeelric]

>doesn't know how to play fortress of mistery one more for the pile bros! I must be one in a few select who LOVES to pistol start fortress of mistery.

[@GermanPeter]

I literally do lol I know you're meant to make the enemies infight, I just don't think it makes for an interesting level. It's just a bunch of waiting. The exit also sucks, the only gimmick is that you need the automap to see where the first key is. I also hate it because it's the last map of console Doom and makes for an EXTREMELY anticlimactic ending.

[@EngyneMac]

I never liked this Action RPG

[@GermanPeter]

Goddamnit, I JUST watched that video too. The video in question for the uninvolved: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fabceqCIlMl8bMk

[@ZadailovaHmar]

Are you actually German??? 🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪

[@GermanPeter]

Are you?

[@ZadailovaHmar]

@@GermanPeter no my friend.

[@mickromash]

I disagree in many aspects

[@pokemon2274]

Why would you recommend skipping 75% of game lol

[@gojizard704]

Im guessing you hate the entire doom franchise?

[@GermanPeter]

You didn't watch the video

[@ashtongiertz8728]

Wow. Who'd have guessed that the first installment in a videogame series would be outshined by its sequels. It's almost like as technology advances and companies receive feedback they're able to produce higher quality games.

[@CRCR0201]

Well he's not really talking about technological aspects of the game is he? Some map designs are really questionable and that can't really be defended. Also maybe watch the video first?

[@GermanPeter]

🥱

[@keiyakins]

​@@CRCR0201 Honestly I think Doom's map design is generally better than Doom 2's. I mean, both have a few standouts and a few stinkers, don't get me wrong, but on average Doom's are better.

[@AlphaEnt2]

The difference between doom1 and doom 2 is one year and thousands of people's feedback. The engine is mostly the samewith few additions and the mappers got some experience from previous attempts. So if anything, doom may not be perfect, but it is demn close to perfection. Also, considering the time when the game came out, there was nothing like it. I was 3 when the game came out, played it for the first time at 10. The jump from nes/snes to pc, I wish some people had that experience nowadays, but considering the high fidelity of modern games, i doubt that change could be reached anytime soon, i still have 50 or so years of technological progress to live.

[@Painocus]

@@CRCR0201 I mean.... Doom II's map-designs are arguably notably more questionable than Doom 1's. And this is coming from someone who likes MAP13: Downtown.

[@Wreck_Crimes]

Well Dont play then, I like doom 1

[@GermanPeter]

You didn't watch the video

[@Mitol-7]

Nein, es ist cool

[@Robert_G93]

I hate this video.

[@GermanPeter]

It's not particularly fond of you, either.

[@Robert_G93]

@@GermanPeter Joking mate, already pressed like before typing that in irony, you have a right to be wrong :)

[@bonnietheoriginal9868]

It pains me to not see the title as. Doom sux 1. Dislike, unsubscribe.

[@joemamamiba2761]

28 views in 1 minute. Bro fell off