The Slow and Deserved Downfall of Intel

[@notlyon9732]

Userbenchmarks crying in the corner after seeing intels downfall and yet still not believing AMD is currently a better choice

[@SilentSputnik]

LMAO

[@endless_havoc123]

User benchmark has always been a bad source anyway, according to their gpu stats my 6700xt competes with the 1080ti lol because of Nvidia bias

[@clarissamarsfiels7961]

True, Userbenchmarks has a huge anti-AMD bias which is kind of annoying. I use AMD Hardware and their claims of what is good and bad about each AMD CPU or GPU is just wrong. Such a shame. I hope the owner of that page starts to take their reach serious and provide unbiased information

[@armamentarmedarm1699]

Once you have reach, bias acquores monetary value

[@bobdebouwer5714]

😂😂😂

[@jkrte989]

That's actually bad for us consumers. No competition means that AMD doesn't have to keep up with anything. In the worst case scenario it's a monopoly, which is even worse.

[@siddharths4676]

AMD still got ARM & Apple’s ARM to worry about in future

[@schikey2076]

​​​@@siddharths4676 funny that you stated this now that intel and AMD are teaming up to save x86 seeing that ARM is getting more popular .. haha

[@Џони-с1в]

i see this comment on every intel video. stop

[@constanciokurdapio541]

Yeah, I still remember when Pentium was released, it was years until Ryzen was released that AMD recovered.

[@grabedigger]

They do, ARM. This is why they, AMD, assembled with Intel on the x86 Ecosystem Advisory Group due to fear of ARM and RISC V CPUs as these are giving us huge performance gains with extreme low power consumption. I do want to see Intel back in the game, more competition means more innovation and lower prices for us costumers. I remember in the years before Ryzen 1000 series was released, Intel was ditching 14nm++++ CPUs at ridiculous prices, and then AMD came to the park and said, "Here! Have this 8 core 16thread 7nm FinFet CPU we call Ryzen for 300usd", Intel was in shock, the world was still suspicious of what AMD had brought, but truth be told it was nothing but intel's own fault on the lack of innovation due to being in the position of "leader of the pack". Now Intel is trying their best for an AMD move, but both are scared of ARM. And believe me, someone will sucker punch Nvidia and their dominant position anytime soon.

[@katzicael]

4:20 - Hubris. Their arrogance was their undoing. They mocked AMD for "gluing" CPUs together - what is Arrowlake? Literally *More* glued together.

[@saricubra2867]

Sandy Bridge to Raptor Lake era definetly rules.

[@RainerK.]

Never liked Intel. Here in Germany they once pressured department stores into NOT selling any AMD machines if they wanted computers with Intel on their shelves. Real shady move.

[@UltraVegito-1995]

Intel: you know what AMD? Lets team up against NVIDIA using all our resources AMD: 🤔

[@nikolaypetrov9789]

amd: imma do it myself 🧤

[@kramnull8962]

@@nikolaypetrov9789 It took a couple billion dummies to get AMD where they are.

[@suchirghuwalewala]

Wdym? ​@@kramnull8962

[@nikolaypetrov9789]

@@kramnull8962 I don't think couple billions of people bought AMD CPUs 🤣. I got just one 5800x3d couple years ago and it looks like lottery ticket, not gonna replace it for another couple years

[@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw]

AMD is still less than half the size of intel in revenue and market share. I dont think this video makes any sense as of now.

[@samuelaubrey2612]

Competition is good.... Buuuut intel kind of had this coming. I mean if you look at how they deliberately stalled progress and treated their customers like absolute mugs. Ironic is an understatement.

[@mikelay5360]

Wait until January and see how these indie KZbinrs shift goalposts with NVIDIA . Consumers will lose big time if intel actually dies.

[@BOZ_11]

@@mikelay5360 intel's not going to die. They've been here before during the Athlon days

[@mikelay5360]

@@BOZ_11 I know they won't but my point is AMD won't have an incentive to deliver judging by the current state of intel. Such is the state of NVIDIA midrange products.

[@KCY4LUNG]

It's arrogance. Hopefully it doesn't end in a Kodak moment. I remember almost a decade ago when intel fanboys were talking crap about AMD and how the company is close to bankruptcy and Intel chips were quite expensive back then pre-ryzen. No longer an Intel customer but I hope they rediscover their bearing since we don't have any other option than amd which I don't mind along as the price to performance ratio is just.

[@Sigma1]

Ngl, I'm not a big fan of tsmc having a monopoly on all computer hardware. I would prefer if intel made another space heater generation on their own, rather than creating a single point of failure in the entire market.

[@adolfo777nica]

@Sigma1 you are lying

[@Sigma1]

@@adolfo777nica how did you know!?

[@kdeas10]

sadly unlike alot of monopoly's that exist the tsmc monopoly is a bit more difficult to tackle than most due to the fact pretty much everywhere around the world lacks the structural capabilities and qualified enough talent to produce chips at the level tsmc does as Taiwan unlike a lot of countries invested HEAVILY in R&D to stay ahead of the curve, and they have a vested interest on protecting those secrets more than most to stay ahead of the curve so they can continue to receive protection from the usa from a possible Chinese invasion. i grossly under explained the situation but the tsmc monopoly is a very interesting situation geopolitically

[@HelloDonkey9]

You look too young to remember much about the cpu market, but blue team and red team has always done this ebb and flows on who is on top. Only reason why AMD is still around is that Intel was forced to allow competition by releasing its tech to AMD. But AMD was also never afraid to innovate, unlike Intel, which has also caused this slump for them and now they are playing catch up or trying in typical Intel fashion.

[@fokthewef]

Thank you. You just said what I've been repeating since 2004. For me AMD was never about the performance, but the will to innovate despite fearce adversity from Intel and the industry. It's why I always bought AMD despite losing on performance at times. And what people don't realise is that the whole Microsoft favouring Intel did not start just with the whole ryzen 5 debacle and windows 11 24H2. There's been Itanium, 3dnow vs mmx vs sse.. Microsoft only pulled out of itanium when it realised what a disaster it was. Otherwise 64bit would have probably taken longer to reach the pc market

[@oneanother1]

Their new tile design keeps up with zen5 CPUs, and 4%ipc gain over previous gen. Not bad considering its a new architecture, but till they do 3d cache. Sucks that these motherboards are way too expensive, and not worth upgrading to. Once prices drop and the previous gen is sold out, it should be more consumer friendly. The ultra9 has to be around 500 or less to be worth upgrading to, considering the older gen is just as fast and a lot cheaper.

[@adolfo777nica]

@HelloDonkey9 and you sound like a 100 year old man

[@fokthewef]

​@@oneanother1Intel have attempted 3d cache in the past. Wasn't the same but it was the idea. It flopped due to lack of innovation again.

[@chrismay2298]

Yep. Always interesting to see the coprorate fan boys pushing one or the other when they BOTH hate your guts and make it clear.

[@Johan-rm6ec]

This is what you get with bad management.

[@adamtajhassam9188]

Exactly.

[@TheRealName7]

I hope intel recovers and competes with amd so amd can make better and cheaper CPUs.

[@adamtajhassam9188]

They need to change even the materials used to make a quality chip, probably by the time they recover they will compete w Qualcomm or something most likely. ( Too little too late. )

[@saricubra2867]

​@@adamtajhassam9188Is not a material problem, Arrow Lake engineers were on drugs while designing the CPU part of the chips and how the memory controller is located.

[@Usersf134ssk]

AMD became strong and now too strong but Intel was too arrogant to admi it. "Gluing Chips" 😂 they deserve their downfall or we are still stuck with 4 cores and 8 threads in 2024.

[@rangersmith4652]

When Ryzen hit the market, Intel's answer was a raft of reason NOT to buy AMD, but no reason why we SHOULD buy Intel. It's like asking someone why he or she is voting for X and getting a raft of negative comments about Y. If the best you can do to persuade me is criticize your competition, you've lost, and you know you've lost.

[@Kapono5150]

Now people will assume the Ultra branding means the chips suck

[@dominikkohler5461]

ultra suck?

[@anarchicnerd666]

Here's hoping Intel recovers. Not a corporate bootlicker, AMD is NOT your friend and none of us want them to be the only player in the space. They've got a good long term plan with foundries, they've just gotta get there.

[@exhydraboy2429]

Exactly

[@inkredebilchina9699]

well, the monopoly cannot happen. it's highly illegal in the entire world.

[@seamuspink9098]

​@@inkredebilchina9699 yes but we don't want a "4 core, 14nm ++++++++" AMD equivalent era lmao, we need the competition still

[@chrismay2298]

@@inkredebilchina9699 Absolute nonsense. They say that over and over while obvious monopolies exist everywhere. You believe what you're told instead of paying attention to evidence.

[@DrathVader]

@@inkredebilchina9699 you mean like the in the GPU space right now? Where nvidia is so dominant AMD is unable to compete on top-end since R9 290X, and just gives up that space all together?

[@N0rth0M-1]

they deserve it for selling the garbage that they call product these days

[@Ncloud]

too many people enabled them by buying 14nm+++++++++

[@N0rth0M-1]

@@Ncloud back then it was actually still pretty good, especially the 10900k i had was absolutely insane 5,4 allcore back then was crazy and it did 4266 c14 with maxed out secondary and tertiary timings. but now their ram controllers either don't fucking work at all or you have to fiddle in the bios for 39 days straight until you get lucky with the 7 different voltages that have a sweetspot lol it started to really go downhill from 11th gen onwards

[@MegaPepsimax]

@@N0rth0M-1 9th Gen removed HT, that for me was the start of the end. They stagnated and forgot what competition was, now they're caught with their pants down trying to catch up. A literal Hare & the Tortoise story

[@lnfinyx]

@@N0rth0M-1 It went down from 14th gen onwards, so 14th gen and 200s, everything up till 13th gen was solid

[@datajunkie3382]

AMD sold garbage for quite a long time also and look at them now. We should all be hoping Intel can fix this sooner rather than later, no competition is not good for consumers.

[@RealityCheck6969]

They are competing with TSMC with government money. That does not sound good...

[@RogueSkull]

Buddy, TSMC is literally subsidized by Taiwan government, what the hell do you want intel to do,

[@lost4356]

Yeah people only knew their competition with Amd when in reality they aim the bigger target with only will power and miracle because lack of funding. Because if they just focus designing CPU and outsourcing to TSMC like from 2017-18 they probably can defeat AMD. But intel is only company that has is own fab beside Global foundry is unlikely U.S will company like intel bankrupt because their significant and Taiwan Geopoltical problem with china

[@benyomovod6904]

TMSC just puts the clients design into silicon. If the design is good as with Apple and AMD the chip is good, if the design is bad as it is with Intel the chip is bad. Don't blame TSMC for Intels errors

[@lost4356]

@benyomovod6904 no one blame TSMC also other thing Intel fab is new to manufacturing Semiconductor based other company design they started same year as PG becoming CEO so intel need trust from other company before they just sell their own design and chip. And with lunar and arrow lake most of process is done by intel itself.

[@bauer9101]

I’m on Intel at the moment but next time it will be AMD. I’m sure many will do the same.

[@oneanother1]

Not this gen, maybe the next. Still not worth upgrading to a zen5 ATM, unless you want the x3d for gaming. I'm on intel too, but I don't feel the need to upgrade. My rig isn't high end either.

[@bauer9101]

@ yeah I’m holding out until AM6

[@somebodyrand0m280]

@@bauer9101 maybe zen7 for me. im interested in that 32core (currently on 13900k).

[@QuantumS1ngularity]

Nah bro, the interest for the new Intel CPUs was at an all-time high, because we all wanted Intel to come up with something good and properly compete with AMD, forcing each other to innovate, keep progressing and keeping prices low. We already see the effects of AMD keeping 17 of the top 20 spots for the best selling CPUs - their prices just suck, especially compared to just 2-3 years ago. I bought my 5800X3D just a month after its release in MAy 2022 for just €300. €300 for the best gaming CPU at that time!!! Now the 7800X3D is €450+ and the new 9800X3D already appears at some retailers for €550+ or almost double the price of its grandaddy. 2 times increase in price in less than 3 years is not "inflation"" or "manufacturing costs" and it's NOT a good step forward. I truly believe intel deserve every single bit of the sh**storm that came their way and will keep on coming, but they will have to get up eventually and get their sh*t together. Turning to TSMC wasn't a mistake and was the first step in the right direction. Removing defects from the production line of a CPU fab isn't as simple as dusting and vacuuming the place. They have to go deep, find the flaws in their manufatucing proccess and the causes, eliminate them and only then resume their own manufacturing. This will take at best MONTHS, but realistically more than a year. In the meantime someone has to produce CPUs, so they can sell something and get feedback to know which way to go. What intel need right now is completely new architecture and platform and they know it. This 1851 socket will probably have really short lifecycle, most lickly a simple refresh of the 285, 265 and 245 CPUs and will switch to a completely different layout. They need it, cause this platform simply doesn't have what's needed to complete with AMD.

[@anthonypra8899]

The system is breaking down because. they have got the mindset screwing over. your customer's employees infrastructure and innovation is a good business plan while giving record breaking bonuses to CEOS and CFOS and all the top end when America is built on innovation. We didn't make steel that was good enough. We made the best steel on the planet. faster, better than everyone else. That was innovation. Then we connected the east with the West and became a real country, not just a bunch of colonies. or towns and cities Innovation is what got our system going in the first place, which was 1900s with the. Model T on assembly line. The corporate mindset at the time was understanding innovation is a big part of the system. So Model T stopped being innovated with and then they started with the strong army, the population. kind of like the KGB. and later times. People keep thinking or saying that these CEOS keep doing things that must be a 5 brain move. But it's the easiest way for them to get their quarterly bonus. That's all. It's the easiest, quickest way to get the biggest, fattest quarterly bonus than market and spin it. to say yes, this is best. And these people believed their own spin. The only thing they do with their money is private jet, big house. Then sit here and talk about how amazing they are on Twitter or X, or whatever it's called now, which was something in the 90s which was extreme this and extreme that all that happened in the 90s. But whatever. Anyway, I am using text. I have a learning disability. I've been finally for disability for the past 8 years. I am still waiting. This system has collapsed multiple times in my working life. But instead of fixing it, they just bailed out the rich. with billions, hundreds of billions of dollars just given. to the rich. I understand there's going to be people who say I have no idea what I'm talking about Minimum wage has not gone up since 1997. You don't believe me based off of the information$7. 25 cents was established in 1997. Look at the tax records going back from 1997 till now the base pay has not increased since 1997 It's provable. they all lie they all cheat they all steal. and we're getting to a point where the system is collapsing the biggest corporations get bailouts but they still do the same thing because they get bailouts. So why would they change? our entire system is collapsing and they're so busy sitting here talking about how amazing they are and flying around a private jets. They don't realize they're health care is getting screwed too indirectly and directly. The people who produced the food aren't having kids anymore because they can't feed themselves. The people who produce the housing can't afford a house so they're not having kids because they're having troubled living with them by themselves without living with their family My generation was the first generation to live with. their family members. in the United States and them asking why isn't y'all out on your own now because it's been a voyage hasn't gone up since 1997 and I was saying that in 2006 I want you to understand 2006 I was living with my mother working 50 plus hours a week between two jobs. and having nothing to show for it. Why would anyone have kids in this world?

[@StarTraffic-z1o]

Republicans in the Senate are opposed to it, and some Democrats in States like West Virginia was opposed. Democrats need about 65 seats in the Senate to ever pass a Seattle style living wage Act.

[@iamdihan]

Its wild that AMD stock just plummted 15% yesterday and generally falling stock prices. Intel very similar trajectory

[@willywonka6487]

its just normal price fluctuation. look at their long term stock price

[@saricubra2867]

​​@@willywonka6487That wall street speculative nonsense is irrelevant for the future of companies. What people don't mention is that Intel was losing A LOT of money with their Intel Foundry Services and would be on the risk of bankrupcy. What else could explain the layoffs and the TSMC 3nm nonsense (core architecture matters a lot more than transistor density), i7-12700K still has better perfomance per watt than some Zen 4 chips to this day for being hybrid and the strong IPC. But no, they switched to newer process node and pulled a Ryzen moment (with the exception of the X3D chips, there's no way that Ryzen CPUs would be that fast with Intel's own fabs).

[@anthonypra8899]

Problem with more tariffs. as no competition. So prices go up every time. I remember this happening when Obama said Heron creased the taxes all imported products used to be able to buy a tire for less than fifty bucks and it'd be a high rating tire of 120 mile an hour. Now you buy a tire for 100 hours. That's a 80 mile an hour tire. rating not good for the average person increasing the cost of living more with more tariffs Bad for business. Bad for the economy. Bad for the average consumer.

stocks and shareholders short sightness

[@radosuaf]

As a 11900K user and XeSS enjoyer I do hope they will keep up - just for the sake of good old competition.

[@GeminionRay]

Now there are articles citing how Pat Gelsinger screwed up the deal with TSMC and had to pay full price. I won't be surprised if Intel shareholders actually vote for another CEO replacement. Remember the whole 13/14th gen issue was entirely him to blame.

[@Shimapan]

On the flip side, tsmc would never favor them on pricing like apple or amd who are their biggest priority customers for each node shrink anyway, which intel has to worry about. They would never be able to match capacity amd has blocked off because to tsmc...they just are a temporary customer.

[@PM42.]

AMD was stuck on their phenom 2 non-sense for what felt like centuries and their first few generations of APU's was awful. Intel can bounce back.

[@opfax163]

I Remember the painful and sad attempt on dual core by AMD 😂 at the time it was terrible . Glade we are not in those times anymore

[@pakvlv]

Yes, you say that it doesn't benefit us as users for AMD to be on top now, but when Intel was on top almost all the time, you just applauded and laughed, saying what a crap company AMD is, hypocrites. I'm very happy for AMD, now they just need to kick out Nvidia and everything will be fine.

[@Soap010]

yea they kick out competition and then theyll start to suck too

[@luisgustavodossantosrodrig2005]

AMD couldn't beat Nvidia when there was no technological difference (series 10 and earlier). Now, AMD is far behind Nvidia and has to compete against DLSS and RTX even more mature. AMD will need a miracle to regain relevance (they recently lost even more market share).

[@Jalex0021]

Any monopoly is not good for consumers, regardless of who is on top. If we want reasonable prices and quality products, then all three companies need to be competing well.

[@pakvlv]

@@luisgustavodossantosrodrig2005 The same thing was said about the competition between AMD and Intel, but now everything is different, isn’t it?

[@exhydraboy2429]

​ROCM is still behind among other things. There's huge benefits to competition

[@B.D.E.]

The CEO and CTO better not get hired in the tech sector ever again. The level of incompetence required to destroy intel, holy shit.

[@alphastratus6623]

Same for Boeing, etc. It seems like choosing decision making people by their ability to bean counting have very bad long run side effects...

[@skorne7682]

When you get to this level of CEO or CFO etc, you only fail upwards. It's all about who you know in the super rich club.

[@chrismay2298]

How do you think things got this way? Corporate incest.

[@niko2002]

Also I'm not 100% positive if tariffs will be on every product made outside of the US. Im pretty sure a bill has to get signed, and it won't take effect immediately. However if those tariffs do get put in place, it will incentivize companies to come back to america. Though Intel's foundry isn't as good as TSMC's foundry, I seriously want Intel company to get better. Even worse Taiwan is in danger by the CCP, so what happens if war breaks out there? Basically almost every tech company is kinda screwed because they heavily rely on TSMC's foundry to make these amazing world leading chips. Should TSMC also be important to america as a fallback or backup plan? Honestly I have more questions than answers. As we know having a monopoly gets rid of competition and potentially deals, theres is a such thing as too many choices, however there's mainly 2 companies making x86 cpus and 3 companies to make dedicated GPU's. Adding more to a competition is fine, adding too many manufactures to make cpus can be hard to follow up on who makes the best products for the money.

[@commandostryker304]

its PC gamers that kept Intel alive for many years but now Intel have change their priority the moment they put E-cores on their chips its no longer gamers that they prioritized so their current failure is caused by themselves

[@xrafter]

I disagree. Gamers does bring profit, but no way as much as the server market, and office sector.

[@saricubra2867]

It amazes me how idiotic Intel has been to improve upon Sandy Bridge 2.0 (Alder Lake).

[@vincentvega3093]

It's Intel Error Lake 😂

[@saricubra2867]

Piledriver Lake

[@UnimportantAcc]

Intels profiteering has led them to this, I would say good riddance but we do need competition to keep prices competitive

[@shaurz]

I bought an Intel GPU just to be different lol

[@serras_]

They need to eat even more humble pie IMHO, like how you do have the obviously inferior product, and still have 'locked' CPU's, and change sockets every year or two?

[@warehousetechtips]

tbh its sad. intel should be alive. because an amd monopoly is not going to be good. intel just did mistakes

[@adamtajhassam9188]

I dont trust Intels CEO- u need new innovation not pushing fabrications solo , need better quality materials and creative ideas to make a quality chip.

[@beerendrachaudhary3872]

There is a lot of competition M1 M2 M3 of apple. Today's latest zen5 CPUs are less efficient than M1. Apple SoC are at least 5yrs ahead of AMD

[@RawfunRahman]

bad for us? I get it AMD doesnt have competition But RIGHT NOW, theres nothing to lose The 9800xd will release on nov 7 8% faster by being more efficient while the intel 285k is "more" efficient and 30% slower 😭

[@GlaDi02]

Who would have thought that companies that adopt DEI would see degradation in quality of their products and services.

[@StarTraffic-z1o]

You are an idiot. The gears in your brain are not working right. You clearly have a hopelessly white mindset that is your curse.

[@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw]

DIY is just a fraction of PC market and within DIY amazon is not a preferred source for most people. If you look at PC market intel is still holding the vast majority of market share. I have seen a lot of youtubers talking about instability of 14th gen. Im using 14th gen and i have several friends who are on 14th gen. None of us ever had any issues with our CPUs. So i think there is nothing to worry for intel as of now.

[@100organicfreshmemes5]

I do hope Intel's new foundries allow them to innovate and make some actual good chips again because nobody should want a monopoly. That said I'll almost definitely be going with Ryzen for my next PC. Intel definitely deserves this if they knew about the defective 13th/14th gen CPUs and sold them anyways.

[@Riyozsu]

Idk whether AMD will ever move away from TSMC. Which is kind of good thing because they are the best in semi-conductor industry

[@100organicfreshmemes5]

@Riyozsu I meant Intel, must've been distracted when I was making the OP.

[@nescumzwei]

4:11 on how Intel, as a major company in computer history, have fallen so far? We sort of saw that with Motorola already. They were core in so many major microchip innovations over the years, but by the early 2010s were a bankrupted mess.

[@doctorno3912]

Only reason I'd go Intel is quicksynch for plex.

[@Xytrophico]

this is probably why ryzen 9000 series was so mid

[@Riyozsu]

I think it was because their io-die for zen 5 sucked so they pushed it back to zen 6 launch and re-design new io and carried zen 4's io to new generation. Zen 5 was supposed to work well with 8000mhz speeds. Zen 4 and Zen 5 ccds are bottlenecked by the io-die which is built on worse packaging technology.

[@XxXuzurpatorXxX]

Intel is going through 'mid-tweens' AMD moment.

[@sh4rrppl4ys49]

Nah u know u cooked when a phone manufacturer wants to buy your company

[@kai990]

what we need is a law that degrades everyone affiliated with marketing and sales to animals.

[@Shannon-ul5re]

I think we’ve hit a point of diminishing returns it’s all about efficiency, cost and power. You will basically get the same as last Gen with small improvements but cheaper to run. We can’t expect to get 50% gains for every new generation, we need a new direction.

[@RegalPixelKing]

Intel's years of stagnation really hurt them. They were stuck on 4 core 8 threads since their first generation. There wasn't a decent uplift until their 8th generation. I think that Arrowlake being a soft refresh for Intel though could put them back on the right track.

[@ed1659]

"We don't have any good product to present, but we must release every 2 years, so here, worse than prior gen and noticeably more expensive, please buy!"

[@CamaroWarrior]

The last Intel I purchased was in 2012 the i5 3570k with a Radeon 7970 3GB, I had it all the way till 2020. In 2020 I upgraded to a ryzen 7 5800x and Nvidia 3090, I'll upgrade to the 9800x3D soon .. I'll stick to AMD, my first AMD ever was a Duron 1Ghz, 256MB ram, and an Nvidia GeForce 2 GTS 32MB in 2003 and right after in 2004 I got an Athlon XP 1600+ 1.4ghz

[@heickelrrx]

Isn’t this what most people want Can’t wait when AMD sell R5 for 600$

[@hcitask]

Or nVidia when they will start selling xx50 or xx60 for 600$

[@ChristopherYeeMon]

I think this is analogous to AMD's Ryzen moment, primarily because the Linux benchmarks for Arrow Lake are actually quite good. Usually this is a sign that the chips just need a generation to fine tune and some bug fixing to shine on Windows. Wendell @ Level1Techs new Linux channel covered this. Also Phoronix covered this, I believe

[@MikeMan-q4v]

Intel will benefit from being able to implement 14a tiles earlier than they would with monolithic. Their cash flow will improve after layoffs. Intel currently employs roughly the same amount of people as AMD, Nvidia, and TSMC combined. They hired extra people to expedite the completion of their nodes. Even after the layoffs, they will still have nearly double the employees as any one of the aforementioned companies. Their eps will have a big jump. Once their build up is done, they can run the company well with 60 or 70 thousand employees. They currently have 130,000 employees. That’s eaten away more of their profits than lost revenue. When revenue increases while layoffs are on going, their eps will skyrocket, and same with free cash flow. They may take a hit off of this earnings, which will be an amazing investment opportunity.

[@init_yeah]

I read deserved DOWNFALL OF INTEL I click!

[@inkredebilchina9699]

it's hard to say anything without mentioning "they had it coming long time". remember the 14nm node and how long they refused to innovate and invest in the better node? yeah. that backfired and that's what it is today.

[@doniherald7745]

They became too comfortable as market leader in the past, and now they are paying the price.

[@s-nooze]

9:24 Intel was very interested and motivated to hire foreign engineers at the time, that's why. Diversity often means cheap labor from other places.

[@aliabdallah102]

Ah yes, the Intel revolution: same shit silicon, worse branding and worse performance.

[@opfax163]

AMD was in the same position before Ryzen and Intel was the Master , it's just gonna rebound like always

[@saricubra2867]

Zen 1 was behind Intel (core extreme chips), AMD started to rebound with Zen 2 and Zen 3. Intel and AMD are way closer than AMD was before Zen 2/Zen 3.

[@simonverdinek7803]

The failure is about the same as nVidia in 2000s. When they knew there selling failing GPUs for laptops. There is a reason why Apple hates nVidia.

[@iliakisv]

We almost at peak of performance per CPU core. CPU future is stagnation - no more +50% boost in new generation - be thankful to have +5% (in some scenarios )

[@stormrider01]

Intel is like VW

[@NZRanger]

JayzTwoCents has a video up "We found the missing Intel Performance in Games... Big Performance Gains!" and it's far better news for Ultra ( Spoiler - It depends on the memory being used ).

[@soumenchakraborty2450]

how did they fall, because anything is possible in life, literally.

[@N3xlow]

If intel wants to sell chips to all around the world having an focus in human politics is a must

[@amirashkavandi5981]

Intel's global sales have not decreased, only its stock value has decreased

[@lharsay]

Intel is selling 2+4 core laptop i3s in such a volume AMD can't keep up with them but those chips aren't that pofitable.

[@tjhedgescout3052]

They deserve the Karma for sitting on their laurels, but i do want to say i don't want Intel to go under, there aren't many competitors in the CPU side, I think just AMD and ARM/Nvidia, we need the competition so everyone has to outperform each other. Otherwise AMD or ARM might do the same thing as Intel did and we would be back to square one...

[@furryflyingoncat]

It would be even lower if the 2700X was Still sold outside Aliexpress

[@Dabaski]

I bought an intel card specifically because I could encode with av1 on it, I have no immediate problems with it as it is a second gpu installed and not the primary.

[@lharsay]

From what I heard Intel is only using TSMC because Bob Swan bought the production capacity at TSMC for Arc and Arrow Lake before his resignation.

[@Sunrise-d819i2]

Honestly, good. Because intel CPU's always gets the same "Spector" problem, they lose performance yearly due to patches. Worse of all they are all power hungry and always near melting point even on 240MM AIO. Also, the eco core and "performance" core stuff is the biggest waste of money. Why i'm paying for "ECO" cores on my high performance CPU that makes it even suck more power and more heat.

[@Sanmayce]

On Linux, I just tried latest Intel C Compiler, shockingly the last update from 2020, guess what? Failed to malloc(), glibc was too new, the compiler complained. Who would have thought that that awesome compiler will reach such sad end. It seems, the CPU division follows that path to oblivion...

[@smokegames1179]

Still using a i7 12700 still perform awesome yall just capping intel will also release the last batch of cpus next year for lga 1700

[@jjnelson3232]

Intel greed is what did them in!!!!

[@rangersmith4652]

Companies whose CEOs and/or Boards choose to focus on some flavor of social justice instead of making competitive products will ultimately fail, and they deserve to fail. It's clear now that 12th Gen was the last really good desktop CPU. Sure, 13th and 14th are faster -- until they eat themselves. The Ultra series has potential, and I'm sincerely hoping it succeeds through further updates. Gelsinger appears to have Intel turning back onto the right course, but only time will tell. For now, I'm buying AMD.

[@Mechenzo440]

The problem RIGHT NOW is the price, the other problem is that 13 and 14 are better in gaming already at reduced price.Dunno how can they comeback, their next gen dont think they can crawl back that fast but in the meantime ir nobody buys intel means 50% layoff or more. I know they have servers and other bussiness but yeah..

[@walter1824]

Graphics Cards would be CPU bottlenecked if Ryzen didn`t exist

[@saricubra2867]

The problem aren't the CPUs, are the trash games on the market. Literally my i7-12700K (basically matches a 7800X3D here) is smoother and faster running emulators than AAA garbage. OG Unreal Tournament 2004 bottlenecked by one thread, i get like 300fps. The fact that Jedi Survivor runs worse than a singlethreaded game from 2004 is just hilarious.

[@really7187]

@@saricubra2867 lol your 12700K basically matches a 7800X3D. Gees you're got the biggest cope on the planet. Not that the 12700K is a bad CPU, but the 7800X3d just pulls way ahead. Especially in games that profit from the X3d cache.

[@saricubra2867]

@really7187 Read my comment, * EMULATORS* , not mainstream games, my 12700K also is a 2021 batch with full AVX512, IPC is higher than Raptor Lake. IPC rules over cache, always has been. 3D Mark is over 10000 points, 7800X3D is below 8000. Not all games benefit from cache.

[@rossmclaughlin7158]

Intel issue was the 10 nm struggles after years of stagnation they never really got past this and just upped power over and over the made the rod for their own back

[@apolloxiii5574]

And all these foundries are relying on the Dutch company ASML to make the lithography machines for them.

[@I_havea_Doubt]

INTEL Should just make more 12th gen cheaper so many people will buy it. And then make really nice CPU which have good stability and have real world performance difference (+ve not -ve).

[@Pawcio2115]

It's the worst-case scenario for us consumers because AMD will surely raise prices, and CPU development will be basically halted.

[@Riyozsu]

Idk whether Dr. Lisa Su will halt the innovation but yea once she retired and a new replacement comes in they can be complacent like Intel. Lisa Su is the best tech CEO of this decade.

[@Lionel212001]

It matters little if there is a great degree of packaging innovation under the hood but the results don't match up. Intel's 3d chip is interesting and innovative but how does it matter if there's a regression in performance and the latency is so high? Maybe windows updates and microcode patches may help resolve the situation to a degree, but Intel should have held off this launch and ironed out the kinks instead of a releasing it in a rushed state. This is an architecture that could have greatly benefitted from some 3d v cache. Have they learnt nothing from the 13th/14th gen fiasco?

[@saricubra2867]

About the X3D cache things explains why both current Intel and AMD sucks and monolithic Ring Bus is the king. Watching the 7800X3D so fast in games is like the Broadwell 5775C with 128MB of L4 cache. If Zen5dozer and ArrowPiledriver Lake did significant IPC increases, the 7800X3D would be obsolete as the 5800X3D is right now vs every single recent i7, Ryzen 7 and i5 out there.

[@Shimapan]

Feels like it was rushed out to essentially squash the 14th gen sku and their problems that came to light

[@Lionel212001]

@@saricubra2867 I prefer monolithic too. Still, AMD has had years to better its chiplet approach vs Intel.

[@Blockah]

We should not be happy that Intel is losing hard to AMD, once one beats the other, we all LOSE so hard :^(

[@datajunkie3382]

Intel will be back to making competitive CPUs again, just think back to how terrible AMD CPUs were before Ryzen and look at them now.

[@Mike-jb3xe]

They can name whatever they like, but 'Ultra', even for the i5 equivalent? It's cringe

[@lflyr6287]

Vex : you forgot to mention why Apple ditched Shintel (caugh caugh overheating 9-th and 10-th GEN mobile chips and Apple wasn't able to deliver the advertised specs).

[@arp_catchall]

Sooo, Intel got the $8.9B grant to make chips in the US, yet uses TSMC in Taiwan to make the chips? Isn't that illegal?

[@geofrancis2001]

Intel had the 5775c, it was a gaming monster, they could make a good gaming chip if they just add more cache.

[@saricubra2867]

Skylake with DDR4 made it obsolete by the IPC and memory jump. Just like how my 12700K with DDR5 makes the 5800X3D pointless. 5775C was a flop, at least the 5800X3D is a massive CPU as an upgrade for AM4.

[@geofrancis2001]

@@saricubra2867 yes and the 7800x3d is faster than anything intel has for gaming. But intel could have been better, the 5775c could beat the 7700k in some games despite being clocked much slower due to that large l4 cache. if intel released some chips with l4 rather than turning up the power to 500w they wouldn't be in the mess they are now.

[@fokthewef]

I don't blame Intel. I blame the tech influencers that falsely marketed Intel and the fanboys that bought into the madness.

[@ZombieJig]

Most gamer brained tech channel. Intel is doing fine in the data centre and their new chips make great linux workstations. Even if you think they suck, if they fall it is NOT good for you modern gamers.

[@robertcox5948]

If you look at the last quarter financials Intel had 3.0 Billion in datacenter revenue and AMD had 2.8. Intel had about 75% market share in terms of #of CPU's fold, allfor a small difference in actual revenue. AMD is killing it in the higher end servers which is where the big money is. AMD would have even more of that market share and revenue if they were not supply constrained.

[@AlexanderderGroe-rd1nk]

2:29 he forgot about the ylod and rrod and generally a lot of 90nm nvidia gpus

[@BastyTHz]

if they have brain, they should make like gen13 14 on 5nm or 4nm. 3nm is too expensive and just with that perf at that price and heat

[@saricubra2867]

i9-13980HX has almost the same perfomance per watt than the 7945HX in games and one is TSMC 5nm and the other is Intel 7. Arrow Lake was designed for the "moar power efficency" fanboys and you have a fundamentally flawed CPU design. I'm old school Sandy Bridge and sucessors with good IPC and low latency.

[@graemepicataggio9814]

I think intel will make a comeback just like when amd first introduced ryzen.

[@DenverStarkey]

year ago , whenm i got my first K6-III processor i knew then that eventually AMD would surpass Intel. being teh smaller company AMD had little to lose trying new things. and eventually Itnel was bound to stagnate because their higher pricing meant they ahd less wiggle room to try new things. innovation comes from trying new stuff and even failinga t it several times. which AMD did. but what really drove the inevibility of AMD beating Intel home, was when AMD started getting all the Console deals. That was a Huge revenue market , that besides Intel diping their toes in with the first xbox , they had largely ignored it , or didn't offer /take good enough deals to entice the console manufactures to continue going to them. with AMD squarely in that market having a chip in every major console at the time only7 ahd potential to grow bigger.

[@philflip1963]

The point that you made about Intels failure to develop Graphics cards being a sidnificant overight is a good one. Graphics cards can bennefit from increaces in transisistor density and parallelisation to a far greater extent than CPU's which have run up against the limits imposed by Amdahl's Law for long time now. Will the large numbers of transistors required by AI functionalisation offer an avenue for bennefiting from minaturisation or could this be better achieved off die and are we near to the limit where minaturisation on silicon is concerned anyway?

[@OneDollaBill]

Its kinda funny how it has turned around, i remember when Amd was doing some bulldozer bs and those were some ass. Now intel is struggling, not as bad but still. Maybe they would benefit from new arch with better efficiency or 3d cache stacking too. Who knows, i just dont want them to fade away otherwise its just gonna be high prices and no uplifts with monopoly"ish" type thing

[@tohhans7072]

Ya, intel today ceo not like the EX ceo ........ instead make snake oil and blame the competitor 😂😂😂

[@sgfan-jj1kf]

History will remember Pat Gelsinger as the CEO who revived the semiconductor giant from its grave. We might laugh at Intel's products and fabrication at present, but down the line, their fabrication have lot of potential. Intel is the only company that can rival TSMC. Let's hope.

[@saricubra2867]

Arrow Lake is then anti-Intel them because they used TSMC 3nm instead of making a good core architecture with their fabs as they always did. I don't know what is Pat Gelsinger doing, the only good thing was moving away the company from Rocket Lake and Arc.

[@sgfan-jj1kf]

@saricubra2867 Intel 18A process was not completely up by the time Arrow Lake went into fab. Panther Lake will be the first one to use the most awaited process node. Also, since Intel is opening their fab for other customers from 18A, it won't be easy for Intel to prioritise fab for their own products over others. Intel design team will have to apply for fabrication slots like any other company from now on, and also pay the same cost to the fab team as any other company. Hence they will have to distribute their future products between Intel, TSMC and Samsung fabs based on slot availability.

[@christophermullins7163]

If theyre smart.. the next release will be a 15900k with minimally a 20% uplift in gaming. Knowing these cpus were trash, intel should have made arrowlake 15th and THEN rebrand to ultra once they got a decent uplift. The ultra branding is dead now. They killed it. Anything with ultra is too little too late. 💀👽💀👽

[@mbahmarijan789]

ARM is raising

[@Hiperultimate]

NICE IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS Now intel has to decrease prices on their processors to get back into the market which will make AMD decrease prices. Well I hope it goes this way at least T-T

[@Jason9ll]

I think intel is actually prepping for something big. Because of the focus of restructure of the build and power requirements. Will change things. Ie prepping for their new factories opening in a few years

[@adamtajhassam9188]

sry the 14th gen & 13th gen even after the fixes never got fixed a guy got a replaced 14th gen broke again. I would say the last good chip was the 12900k. Intel lost on so many matters but even then if they learn they would change it. Intel & other companies need to take responsibility to listen to customers feedback again & get back on the W train. They went the wrong direction.