DOOM, but BeOS

[@baroncalamityplus]

Thank you, you've cured me of any desire to try to get BE OS running.

[@cian87]

This isn't the newest version (R5 - that's an R4.5 disc) and its not officially supported hardware to begin with - it really isn't that hard on supported HW.

[@MichaelAStanhope]

well, honestly you ARE the ultimate cross platform tool!

[@brittherself]

LOL

[@ziaForest]

The Ultimate Life Form got nuthin' on him!

[@gabotron94]

That's a new way of saying I'm bisexual

[@fc3sbob]

I worked for a long time as a kid to buy an actual copy of BeOS 4.5 from my local computer store back in the 90's. I was super sad when 5.0 hit the scene, it was FREE and was forgotten about so fast. What a great OS. I had it running on a 200mhz Sony Laptop, in Windows it could barely run a single video. in BeOS it could nearly run every video I had at the SAME TIME!

[@livefreeprintguns]

I still think BeOS had the best GUI, color scheme and icons out of the box.

[@JessicaFEREM]

I really like haiku and it seems it's not that bad on modern systems, as long as you use pedestrian hardware.

[@pseudotasuki]

The performance was also exceptional, thanks in large part to Be's emphasis on threading. Edit: I just remembered how the OS allowed users to group windows together. Probably the best implementation of tabbed windows, but also one of the first.

[@halfsourlizard9319]

@@pseudotasuki Yeah, its multitasking kicked the crap out of Mac / Windows at the time. I remember being incredibly impressed by that the couple of times that I ran it.

[@cameronbosch1213]

​@@pseudotasukiThat was introduced in Haiku afaik.

[@raypalmer7733]

Sean, when Doom went full screen, you should have checked the external screen connection to see if it was there.

[@memsom]

It probably needs a better video card. The inbuilt graphics on Macs are a bit so-so under BeOS. I think to get BDirectWindow support (Game Kit full screen) you need something beefier like a Matrox Millennium 1 or 2 or a ixMicro TwinTurbo

[@SpikeGrobstein]

Back in the 90s I used to run BeOS off of a Jaz drive on my mac. The only game I recall playing on there was Abuse, which was a lot of fun. Man I miss this OS. It was so much fun.

[@joltdude]

I was able to get the factory windows 9x, win2k, Beos,qnx and Linux stuffed onto a Sony vaio desktop .. courtesy of partition magic but it had some jankiness and think I recall needing a boot disk to boot to Linux even with bootmagic as the boot loader. Not sure if i could repeat that feat again

[@Scott__C]

Better to be a tool than to be screwed! If you didn't know, BeOS was used in the pro audio recording system RADAR by iZ corp. I think now they have their own modded version of it for current systems.

[@jessestrobel2]

Wow, thanks for the info! I've peripherally wanted one of iZ Corp's systems for a while now. My introduction to them was in viewing the studio recording footage of Devourment's 'Butcher The Weak'. Useless tidbit but talk about obscurity-on-top-of-obscurity.

[@brianarmstrong234]

One of the few actual commercial game releases for BeOS was a game called Corum III. If you want to show something running off of BeOS that is the game I would load on it.

[@memsom]

Corum 3 is actually pretty good and has CD audio from what I remember. I used to have a copy, but I sold it on as I’m not much of a gamer.

[@nticompass]

Can't wait to see you and your "totally normal" computers this weekend 🙂

[@ActionRetro]

Woohoo, see ya there!

[@TheCj71984]

yeah yeah!

[@lactobacillusprime]

I do have some games and emulators running on BeOS, but that's on an Intel machine. There are PPC ports for many of those as well. Gaming did improve in the BeOS 5.x era.

[@paulyearley1084]

It's a shame that BeOS never took off. It was actually really nice to use- I tinkered with it a bit in 1999-2000 at the advice of a guy on my dorm floor who was a BeOS evangelist.

[@BuddhaPhi]

Very cool vid and unique rare hardware! I’m the only person I know that actually bought a piece of boxed BeOS software (GoBe Productive) back in the day. It was marked way down at MicroCenter. I loved BeOS when it was new and ran it on a number of Macs and later PCs.

[@ryderrepairs]

happy easter and happy shenanigans!

[@memsom]

I would say all those games you tried were Intel. When you run a PowerPC app that is not compatible it generally just crashes. If you get “couldn’t find an application to open” type errors, it will be an Intel exe.

[@theretromillennial]

I really wanted to go to VCF East this year. I’ve never been but it sounds like a great time. Unfortunately I couldn’t swing it. Maybe next year. Nice work on the TAM though.

[@alk7934]

Great video as always. See you at VCF!

[@Thiesi]

Pretty cool to see what you're preparing for VC Feast!

[@captaincorleone7088]

To fix the darkness issue in DOOM you need to adjust the gamma settings - which should be within the video options.

[@seanwieland9763]

I’d love to see more retrocomputing enthusiasts get as excited about MO disks as they are Zip disks. I realize this was mostly a Japanese thing, but I haven’t seen much Japanese retrocomputing content on KZbin either. Videos on Fujitsu 3.5” MO drives is pretty scant, but they had many Apple Mac specific models, especially in the G4 PPC era, in both IDE and SCSI. I’d also love to see Amigas retrofit to use MO disks instead of 1.44MB floppies.

[@bucklinspring]

I still can't get over how slick the black cloth-ed speaker grilles look. This is what the final product should've looked like.

[@hherpdderp]

It looks like what people in the 90s imagined phones would look in 2023.

[@CasioMaker]

What a way to start my Sunday morning!

[@davidg5898]

I'd like to go to VCF East, but I work on the weekends. One of the years, I'll make it.

[@bryans8656]

I'm glad you left that joke in.

[@JohnSmith-xq1pz]

What a TAMtastic video 👍

[@user-hq2fy5cs1k]

i have a box of old TAM in my basement

[@MichaelWottle]

Open it up and remove the PRAM battery!

[@wghardy5577]

you're really putting the "different" in think different. All jokes aside good content keep it up!

[@dropinfun1483]

talk about a hackintosh dude WOW janky as hell 🤣 love the channel great work😊

[@robertofortuni6886]

10:07 well in many PowerPC 60x Macs from the mid to late 90s you also had to use Drive Setup or some SCSI utility to mount external removables (zips, syquest, bernoullis, etc).

[@memsom]

I think zip shows up in the mount menu. I have a drive that I keep meaning to hook up. I thought it just shows up though.

[@a4e69636b]

Excellent content as usual.

[@canonicalactiontoad]

9:16 BEE!!!

[@utzufideli9769]

I'm still curious what he will put the protogen stickers from a few videos ago on. Imagine if they were on the plastic in front of the analog board on the cursed mac. Together with other stickers send in by fans. Could look pretty cool.

[@HalianTheProtogen]

Everything ÒwÓ

[@intrinia]

I think you should connect the second Monitor to see if DOOM runs in Fullscreen on that.

[@ActionRetro]

Oh smart

[@intrinia]

@@ActionRetro Let us know if it worked ;-)

[@aaronfrance6760]

I wasn't expecting such a spicy shot at 9:42.

[@joltdude]

BeOS used to also be used for high end lighting controllers / DMX. Think it was a early model of the HOG by High End Systems

[@seanwieland9763]

The original Final Scratch was written on/for BeOS too.

[@xero110]

13:29 Oh, Nice, QNX versions. Now that you have QNX software, did you know a 30 day free trial is available for the PowerPC version?

[@joltdude]

PulkoMandy is heavily involved in HaikuOS last I checked

[@greatquux]

It would be cool if Haiku was running on this!!

[@londongaz2]

Don't you just wish that cd drive lid was see through! Like those old Bang and Olufsen hifis 😅

[@verstrahlt1907]

This weird Mac would actually look cool, if an additional screen - would be attached under the primary screen, over the CD-drive. @9:46; a G4 pismo? I hope there is a video of it.

[@50shadesofbeige88]

See you there !

[@Vaskomyr]

Vaguely recall this one, feel like they were trying to throw back to the older macs at the time. Too bad it never took off, interesting hardware.

[@nalinux]

Can't you mount the Zip drive with a right clic on the Desktop and just select Mount ? I don't know if it's possible, but it would be nice to have an image of this BeOS 4.5 cd. I never found any working. Useful for retro game, we can use a 3Dfx with it. i used t have 4.5 in a perfect box, it was funny to play Quake in glide :)

[@DAVIDGREGORYKERR]

BeOS was actually the De Facto OS for use by those working at the studios at Havelock House Northern Ireland.

[@jkarra2334]

In the height of napster,limewire,emule,edonkey and rest "gimme that stuff" BeOS was pretty much my choice😂 no worries what you downloaded and where...only thing i regret was selling My BeBox as in early 2000's it was getting bit too slow for my needs.used Be up to last service pack in magnussoft yellowtab and Haven only good memories `bout BeOS, shame that Haiku still havent git full 3D accel, might turn back to Be but as long as they might finally get 3D working im stuck with MacOS😬

[@memsom]

You should also run R5. You installed R4.5 and that release has less modern software for it - R5.03 is the latest retail release and the best one to look for software on.

[@halfsourlizard9319]

Oof, I ran Be on some Mac laptop -- don't even remember which one -- back in the day ... I remember that I could play 3 or 4 videos simultaneously, which was a neat party trick ... and I got Emacs compiled ... and then I stared at the thing like: Um, can I actually do anything else with this?

[@MrJ0mmy]

9:25 i burst out laughing at this joke

[@Alex-je6od]

A lot of those applications were likely for older / newer versions of BeOS, or for the x86 variant. BeOS was really unclear when you try to run applications for the wrong architecture / version.

[@memsom]

They were for Intel. If they were PowerPC they would have just crashed. The fact it couldn’t open them means they were going to be Intel.

[@eDoc2020]

Did you forget that the internal CD drive is broken? Of course BeOS had trouble with it.

[@ActionRetro]

Oh right, forgot to mention I replaced it lol

[@joe--cool]

@@ActionRetro I remember Apple's CD Drives having trouble reading CDRs. Did you check the CD on MacOS?

[@elpobrouse2277]

My Linux live begon with BeOS in 1998. Always liked it even that I am using Debian based ones now.

[@youdontneedtoseehisidentif4939]

Er, BeOS isn’t a Linux distro…

[@IkarusKommt]

BeOS is not Linux.

[@elpobrouse2277]

@@IkarusKommt I did not say the BeOS is Linux, just that not using ms started with it.

[@IkarusKommt]

@@elpobrouse2277 You said, "My Linux li[f]e beg[a]n with BeOS".

[@Alien_Bob]

Digging this "Trying to run software X on OS Y on hardware Z" trend

[@livefreeprintguns]

Did you try renaming the .BeOS files to .ppc as a test?

[@cian87]

BeOS doesn't use file extensions for anything, really. Most software just wasn't ported to PPC after about 1998, the only working C++ compiler is comically antiquated

[@carlconstantdeflon2373]

Great video!!! Thank you so much for sharing this! But... does our presenter have some sort of neurological disorder, the we he twitches and bounces? If so I wish you the best and hope you get the treatment you need!

[@andrerenault]

I love your steamed hams shirt

[@RobTheSquire]

The one thing that has bugged me over the videos of the TAM is why didn't they rotate the mother 180 degrees so you can mount a riser card at the bottom. Which would have the cards standing up instead of hanging around and utilise the foot print of the TAM more effectively. It would make it similar to the g3 in shape at the back but at least then you could have 4 cards in the back and all sorts of goodies too.

[@wojiaobill]

Be there, or Be square.

[@MegaManNeo]

People call Linux picky about hardware to work with or at least they used to. These people never experienced BeOS... or Hackintosh these days.

[@halfsourlizard9319]

I mean ndiswrapper existed for a reason ... Linux had some dark times back in the day.

[@MegaManNeo]

@@halfsourlizard9319 Never wanted to mess around with that for good reason.

[@halfsourlizard9319]

@@MegaManNeo Totally fair! Those were the bad ol' days ... and I've zero inclination to ever muck about with that stuff again!

[@christopherdecorte1599]

Their is a special place in hell for the person who decided to ship that ppc with that keyboard touchpad joke. Literally any keyboard would have been better.

[@MichaelWottle]

The keyboard itself is actually not too bad, and the removable touchpad works well for the time. The arrow key placement is not great for games, but to be fair, people didn't buy the multiple thousand dollar TAM for gaming. They got it to display the technological marvel in their office to update spreadsheets and maybe send an email or two.

[@christopherdecorte1599]

@Michael Wottle you make a good point. However, a more standard apple keyboard is better for a work environment. Muscle memory and replacement are a big factor for workplaces if your employees need to get used to and redevelop their typing skills. That's a lot of loss time.

[@MichaelWottle]

@@christopherdecorte1599 True, but employees weren't getting these machines. The cost meant only executives and excessive Apple fans got TAMs at the time. You average accountant or office worker didn't get someone delivering their machine in a tuxedo with the white glove treatment.

[@TrinomialCollective]

Welp, now I'm curious. Guess I'll start watching the video now!

[@ToTheGAMES]

ok

[@brianr987]

I played that on SGI in the 90s

[@iiidiy]

6:42 Excellent stress testing

[@kirishima638]

I like to think there's a parallel universe in which Jean-Louis Gassée wasn't such an ass and Apple bought BeOS instead of NeXT.

[@Toonrick12]

The fact he was a bigger ass than Steve Jobs is REALLY saying something.

[@johntrevy1]

Would there have really been much of a difference for the average user?

[@youdontneedtoseehisidentif4939]

@@johntrevy1 In the short term or in the long term..? In the short term, I think “yes” - NeXT already had a library of mature applications available for it (even if they weren’t well-known outside of the NeXT world) that could be easily ported to Mac OS X, whereas BeOS… did not In the long term, I also think “yes”; NeXT was a platform that many programmers were excited to use and write for (cf. John Carmack), whereas - and I recognise that it’s only anecdata - I’ve never heard anything but tales of frustration from programmers who tried to write for BeOS

[@MistahMatzah]

​​@@johntrevy1 hard to know. It was a lot easier to port or cross compile for OS X than it was for BeOS, partial POSIX compliance aside. I'm guessing this would have made projects like Brew harder to implement, but I'm not sure how many people even use it anymore.

[@kirishima638]

@@MistahMatzah I thought it was the opposite. Be championed C++ which was the standard at the time while NeXt used Objective-C which was just weird and proved a major barrier for many developers. Apple didn’t add support for C++ until much later.

[@endstarofficial]

See You there

[@10MARC]

You could subtitle this video "Literally everything is Broken" and it would be accurate. 🤣😉

[@youdontneedtoseehisidentif4939]

A story without a point: back in the day, I released a (somewhat) original puzzle game as shareware for the Mac; whilst that game didn’t achieve _Bejeweled_ -levels of success, it was successful enough for my modest goals, eventually being acquired; however, shortly after its release - and *long* before it was acquired - I was approached with an offer to port it to BeOS; I had to decline, explaining that I had no experience of using BeOS, and didn’t even have a computer that could run BeOS, and so I’d be completely unable to provide support for the game :/

[@InternetSlavicMan]

If you don't mind me asking, what was the game called?

[@youdontneedtoseehisidentif4939]

@@InternetSlavicMan [cough] _shivering kittens_ [/cough] (I think that there’s one video of it running on Mac OS X on KZbin: ThUnT86x2I0 ; post-acquisition there was a version for iOS-before-it-was-known-as-iOS, but I had nothing to do with that port (I don’t even know if it was based off of my original code))

[@blendingsentinel4797]

we gotta see Quake on a BeBOX

[@MarcosCodas]

I wish there was more purple on this channel.

[@nebular-nerd]

Those TAM right angle slot adapters make me uncomfortable with the way they flop around, I know why they did it, but I'm sure they could have made a better job of it.

[@95Comics]

Are there any ppc emulators for ps2 or Xbox or any game systems besides gameboy? With such low system requirements for video game consoles old macs would be amazing playstations! Or whatever emulator it can run!

[@Ryan.Lohman]

BeOS reminds me of Windows 3.11 for workgroupers. Or OS/2 Warp

[@Jdbye]

I agree. Weird is good.

[@I_am_Allan]

SHENANIGANS!

[@finkelmana]

I remember trying BeOS in the late 90s and early 2000s. It had some great features and was really fast. But its lack of software and hardware support was its downfall.

[@carl4889]

All hail the ZIP drive.

[@MSmith-Photography]

Weird is awesome! 🤪

[@flatpanel22]

I like your channel. Please more waves with hands in front of computer.

[@karmaduq]

G4 pismo? G3?

[@LukeIsASmurf]

I want to see a 3060 in a 2009 mac pro with windows

[@LukeIsASmurf]

it has pcie

[@brpadington]

90's Apple was so weird.

[@CommodoreFan64]

100% Janktastic!!! 👍

[@joeltyler3427]

9:33 But you left it In anyway..

[@heatedpoolandbar]

It is an abomination and I love it. I love that Jobs would throw up if he saw it.

[@s6edge7]

i would love to see that thing run android , that would top it off

[@systemchris]

Steamed hams

[@mortenthorpe]

Yeah… you’re a tool :) just kidding… good video as always ;)

[@tenminutetokyo2643]

This time you have gone too far. As a footnote, Apple hired the guy who wrote the original Be filesystem to write the modern APFS - Dominic Giampolino - who wrote a book on it.

[@Cowclops]

The TAM says BOSE on it, but you can't spell BOSE without BeOS

[@andyttm14]

You should have downloaded lego islamd

[@ericwood3709]

Set NCommander down in front of it. You'll have working ethernet in no time.

[@heavy0119]

Haha fr, that guy can solve any problem given enough time 😂

[@ivangonzalez8765]

First!! Cheers. Keep up with this great vids.😀

[@bulletpointmediadotnet]

You are indeed a cross platform tool. :)

[@rider68-12]

I have a brand new IDE drive if you want it. Please reach out to me if you would like it. RC

[@wyldride]

Be? More like Don't BeOS sometimes. ;)

[@Matt-oq4jq]

eleventh

[@jeromethiel4323]

The whole Macintosh era turned me off of Apple products for ever. Before the Mac they were great, and then they became an entity of evil. Hell, i like Microsoft more than Apple, and that's saying a lot. Both are bad, but at least Microsoft didn't brainwash people into paying more for less. And i never got the Steve Jobs love, the man was a snake oil salesman. Back in the Wozniac ara, Apple were innovators. After, not so much. Apple hasn't been relevant for a very long time, but they still have a ton of "followers." Not so much a company, more of a cult.

[@joe--cool]

Yeah my Apple ][ was awesome. You could upgrade it, build your own expansion cards or even slot in a Z80 and run CP/M. Only lacking thing was good sound cards or video cards. I even built a speech synthesizer for it using a magazine article.

[@jeromethiel4323]

@@joe--cool That and the computer shipped with manuals that described how the machine worked with full schematics and a listing of the 6502 machine codes. Completely open. Which is at odds with the modern day Apple Computers anti repair stance.

[@joe--cool]

@@jeromethiel4323 And a memory map in the manual. You could flash your own EPROMs and instantly boot your own code.

[@MichaelWottle]

@@joe--cool I'm a computer nerd and I wouldn't know what to do with that. If Apple stayed the Apple of your dreams, it would have died as a hobby PC maker loved by hundreds. I'd say Apple made the right choice to be able to produce some of the best computers today for MOST consumers. You simply don't like the choices they made for YOU. That's fine, but to pretend they lost their innovation in the Apple II era is patently absurd.

[@joe--cool]

@@MichaelWottle That's the thing. Just because they gave their customers the tools to do it themselves didn't mean you couldn't go out and buy a card for your Apple ][. There were many cards made by Apple, Microsoft, Checkmate, etc. doing all sorts of things (lightpen, sound, mouse, extra cpu, ram, hard disk). Then Apple wanted all the money and prevented third party expansion and innovation. And people like you agreed with it and bought a Mac. That's why innovation is stifled and we live in the sad future we have now. We could have had tech much better than what is around now.

[@pseudotasuki]

You should redo your intro on actual hardware. The "UNIX" drive from SheepShaver is distracting.

[@TheMalMeninga]

How "distracting" was it? Were you able to watch the rest of the video or did it prove too much?

[@kreuner11]

What is this comment??

[@systemchris]

Yeh I think he could generate it now

[@RadiiRadium]

Answer: shut up

[@zach446]

i subscribe soley because of the UNIX drive

[@azkaputra1408]

First

[@opless]

First!

[@Tekenduis98]

FIRST

[@SJ_621]

Firs

[@neleabels]

Ah, finally! I already got Entzugserscheinungen. :)