DOOM Eternal Lore - The Power of the Crucibles

[@RipNteargaming]

Which Crucible is stronger? The Sentinel or the Demonic version?

[@11jerans]

Seems clear to me that the more powerful of the two is the Demonic Crucible, at least in raw energy storage. I mean its able to indefinitely power the Fortress of Doom all by itself, unless you're telling me the Fortress is super energy efficient, to which I would counter with "Why the hell does it take two gigantic batteries to power up a door?" Can you do a video on the different titans of Doom? Seems to me they come in classes. There are your basic Hell Barges which are essentially just slaves to higher ranking demons, there's the Icon of Sin, which is a world eating God of Destruction, and then there is the in between, like the Dreadnaught you see in Taras Nabad that the Slayer... uh... slew all those eons ago with his Crucible blade, and the Champion who's corpse was so massive it became known after meeting his end at the Slayer's hands as a realm unto itself. It doesn't make sense to me that these badass, indestructible, unstoppable, gargantuan creatures are also slaves and mere minions to things like Hell Priests, guys so weak I'm not sure a boxing match between them and my paraplegic grandmother would last 5 rounds before they got their ass put in the dirt. On one hand they serve the priests and other demons as slaves, and on the other hand they are destroyers of worlds. Seems inconsistent.

[@ragnarok1945]

Ok ripntear, time I comment on this vid you made: I don't think you can fully judge just how powerful the demonic crucible is because we haven't seen the Slayer use its blade. The only person who might have is Hayden from the codices we've read. But I'm not convinced that the Slayer would have created it himself or had it built for him, as he'd know it'd contain the souls of his brothers-in-arms. Furthermore, if you look at the demonic crucible's blade VERY carefully, you'll see the markings on it look just like the markings on the Slayer's crucible. To me, this seems that it's possible that after going up against the Slayer, the demons wanted to reverse engineer the crucible weapon, but powered by argent energy so that it'd be the stronger one. However, they couldn't created a PERFECT replica due to the blade markings, which in turn meant despite its power, the demons themselves weren't immune to its power. This is then consistent with why Hayden was able to use the demonic crucible against them before the events of Eternal. As for the whole draining power from the wraiths, it's possible that this was something built into the demonic crucible as a contingency plan. It's possible the Dark Lord knew all along that trapping the Slayer in the sarcophagus was only a temporarily solution, and that at some point in the future he'd escape. If so, the demonic crucible had this ability to move the wraith's power elsewhere in Hell, so that should the Slayer find out about the Well and go after the wraiths, the demons can move the energy elsewhere, leaving the Slayer to go on a wild goose chase, and all for nothing. With regards to how the Slayer knew how to activate it, it's possible that the Slayer found out about the demonic crucible's function during his crusade in Hell, but the demons sealed him away before he had a chance to take it. For the sentinel crucible, I'm not even sure if the Slayer's one was powered by wraith or Argent energy. Its color is red, and the markings on it seem to be similar to those on the Marauder's ax, which would imply it's powered by Argent energy. But then again, given that the Titan he beat on Taras Nabad already had the red blade in him, which was BEFORE the Makyrs struck a deal with Hell, this tends to get confusing. For all we know, the Marauder ax had argent energy, but that power simply didn't change its appearance (ie markings and energy color). It's still confusing for me. You let me know what you think of this.

[@Motorius9000]

@@11jerans A Very good point about the weakness of the hellpriests. I wish that there would be something that would explain their frailness. This does bug me in gameplay terms as well, as their short appearance makes one wonder if there is something deliberately missing from the game. I for one hold the opinion that we should have been able to fight them tooth and nail in order to slay them. As they appear now in the game, I really feel like there is something missing that clearly should be there. Then again, I think that this might be intentional from the ID-Software's side. I'm hopeful about them leaving things open for now and letting us simmer on our path of perpetual torment.

[@GunlessSnake]

@@Motorius9000 The thing is, the Hell Priests are well-versed in arcane magic and rituals. They are strong in spell and tome, rather than body. Their Blood Ritual was so mighty that, if left unchecked, the entire Earth would've been consumed. As well, they have those tokens that protect their souls, implying that they couldn't be killed without possessing them.

[@Motorius9000]

@@GunlessSnake I do agree with you on that. Their arcane might and cunning could've been appreciated a bit more in the gameplay however. Perhaps we have not seen the last of them though now that our Doom Slayer has possession of their soul tokens...possibilities abound!

[@gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263]

If I fell in battle and my soul could be used by my brothers as a weapon, I would want them too. Instead of letting Hell use it.

[@GunlessSnake]

Well that's the issue. Your soul HAS TO BE processed in Hell and combined with Wraith Energy to create Argent Energy. If you die at the hands of the Demons, you go to Hell, simple as that. And seeing as how Hell tortures humans to extract their souls, it ain't a pretty thing.

[@TimothyMark7]

8:48 what a perfect scene cut

[@jamesbrannan1695]

Marauder "your nothing but a userper" Slayer "ha ha lazer sword goes chop chop"

[@dungo4786]

Gotta appreciate the editing at 8:49, the transition from 2016 to eternal was seamless

[@shakeem444]

ME describing the crucibles ''Sees crucible charge,'' ''Order in the court''

[@TimothyMark7]

I have a theory what if Vega/father builds himself a body? what if in the next doom game or dlc we see the father in a physical maykr body and he brings back urdak to prime form, I mean imagine it as a quest where we do things for the father Maykr and we are granted stuff and maybe upgrades for the unmakyr or a price of maykr armor that gives us unique upgrades? seems weird but I like the idea.

[@RipNteargaming]

I like that idea!

[@vagabond6206]

Well there was that maykr Corpse in the giant pool

[@TimothyMark7]

@@vagabond6206 so that could be something

[@ragnarok1945]

@@vagabond6206 But you don't know what that corpse represents. For all we know, that could have been the very FIRST Khan Makyr, and all the other Khans after that simply used her body as template, which explains why the Khan Makyr you fought in Eternal was similar to it.

[@Cawshes]

Well I guess we know now The Mother of All Demons is not The Khan Makyr anymore.

[@opgam3r482]

I feel I found something I've heard no mention of from channels covering DOOM lore... When the Slayer enters the door to stab the heart, the AI of the ship/city/chamber or Vega (I play with subtitles off) said "welcome Seraphim"... very low and distorted...

[@TimothyMark7]

ive been thinking can humanity make a unique fusion of earth and maykr technology? samuel hayden's body looks like the perfect example

[@sunsetparadoxgaming5838]

In Doom 2016 there's a tree in Kadingir Sanctum that repeats 4 verses of a dark prophecy, part of which mentions the demonic Crucible and something upcoming that even Hell itself fears more than the Slayer. "Could he be demon kin, spawned from the loin of a grotesque infidel? Yet, the seal of the heretic binds him. His origin is as dark as his coming." "The power held within the Crucible will punish man-born and demon kin alike. It will crush the divide. It will corrupt all realms. It will create the monster. It must never be found." "Yet even as the Doom Slayer revels in the spoils of his war, another shall rise from the fires: a dark priest consumed by the Crucible. And even the Doom Slayer shall weep in his shadow." "The heretic-turned-apostle Olivia, birthed of the dawn of our resurrection, by her hand we cross the divide. And for her tribute, she shall be granted the form of the Dread Widow." The third verse is ominous given what we know happens during the events near the end of Doom Eternal.

[@spawnof200]

i wonder if its forshadowing the crucible that now powers the fortress of doom corrupting samuel hayden who now also resides in the fortress?

[@Motorius9000]

@@spawnof200 You may be right! I'm wondering though, if he will be corrupted by the dead wraiths' energy, rather than hell energy.. I mean, the demonic crucible was powered up by the slayer using dead wraiths' powers in the Kadingir Sanctum..Or so I understood.

[@Cri_Jackal]

This seems to further support the demonic crucible being the original, with all others being reverse engineered imitations.

[@SurfbyShootin]

@@spawnof200 just realized that his floating half body reminds me of the half body of the Doom hunters. Maybe we'll get a Samuel Hayden Doom Hunter with a crucible hand instead of chainsaws and BFG cannon arm as a DLC boss. One can dream.

[@sunsetparadoxgaming5838]

@@spawnof200 That's what I'm thinking. AcidGlow made a video pointing this out (which also brought the overlooked Hell tree prophecy to my attention in the first place) that made me rethink what happened during the part where the Hell Crucible is "plugged in" to the Fortress of Doom. When the Crucible is first used as a power source, its power is flowing through Samuel Hayden's body just like the Crucible itself in the energy container it's in. After the final mission the energy flowing through Hayden is gone, but the Crucible is still exerting power into the fortress. We've seen the Doom Slayer use it to absorb the souls of the Wraiths, so it possibly did something similar to Dr. Hayden. Another possibility is the sheer amount of Argent energy it produces could easily corrupt him, even with supposed Maykr tech (and/or Samur Maykr's soul?) that makes up his body. Yet Dr. Hayden was seen looking into ancient Hell tablets about the Crucible in Doom 2016, so maybe he understands what he's risking by doing what he's doing and has a long-term plan to replace the corrupt Khan Maykr's legacy and defeat the forces of Hell? The more I think about these things, the more I want to see this story continue. RIP AND TEAR!

[@opgam3r482]

the last codex under the king... right after the one saying "A Sentinel King leads by example, not ruling from the throne, but from the battlefield with their men..." I don't remember if it *suggested* he died or not, but that next codex or one within the sentinel codexes, he's brought up for the last time I beleive...

[@bazingar3444]

Imagine a atlan vs atlan mode. That i hope becomes reality in the dlc

[@drivanradosivic1357]

Atlan vs Titans would make more sense. also for PVP, Arc Troopers vs UAc Cultists would be fitting. Plus Arc troopers could have drop pods that give the exo suit, power armor and minimechs equivalents of the Demon Rune Demons.

[@dgagamingaesir]

This aged like fine wine

[@adinchase2079]

Love your videos keep it up Rip and Tear!!!

[@cwx8]

Hey do a video on whatever the hell is going on with those coins/tokens!

[@RipNteargaming]

That is actually my next video for next week.

[@j.peters1222]

Love the content my guy. Keep it up!

[@opgam3r482]

The Slayers Crucible is the more powerful or at least one of "Good"... Only until Eternal did we know that Hayden was trying to make argent using the Wraths crucible. The demon Crucible doesn't have all the energies within it that the Slayers specifically.

[@TimothyMark7]

who else would like to see a hollow knight themed DoomSlayer skins? I mean there can be Soo many like white palace, infection, pharloom, pantheon, Soo many ideas can work.

[@jaysonj9207]

Unholy crusade dlc? Yeahh boii

[@MGJDMNJ]

Great content and congrats on growing. Slow and steady and you’ll get there

[@j.dviant]

Is there any evidence that the slayer used the og demonic crucible before doom 2016? I dont believe he ever used it until 2016 and he didnt use it as a weapon either.

[@SurfbyShootin]

Maybe he is not allowed to, like you have to be evil enough to wield it

[@wasdwazd]

@@SurfbyShootin Or perhaps, it needed to be powered up like the one in Eternal?

[@SurfbyShootin]

@@wasdwazd hmm good point actually.

[@Cri_Jackal]

The demonic crucible is the ORIGINAL crucible. There are multiple statues and stained glass images depicting a maykr with the demonic crucible throughout both Doom 2016's multiplayer maps and Doom Eternal. The crucible is a form of Maykr technology that was handed down to the Sentinels. The maykrs likely devised it in a joint effort with Hell after the Khan Maykr enacted the covenant between Hell and Urdak thousands of years before they began work on Argent D'Nur. Also, unrelated topic, since argent energy is named after Argent D'Nur, and the energy itself has existed and been discovered across countless worlds before Argent D'Nur, what exactly was it called before it found its way to Argent D'Nur? Heck, we never hear any maykr refer to the energy directly, it's likely they have a completely different name for it.

[@wolfgaunt]

The Maykrs didn't know about Hell until after the Doom Slayer arrived in Argent D'Nur, and hell attacked. Argent energy wasn't created until hell energy was combined with wraith energy in Argent D'Nur, hence it being called argent. Before then, the Maykrs still had to deal with the transfiguration. Their work with Hell didn't happen until after they discovered the power of argent energy with Argent D'Nur, as the Citadel in Nekravol was built by sentinel slaves.

[@lockskelington314]

I thought the Crucibles were givin to the Sentinels by the Wraiths

[@vergil2067]

Just know its powerful.

[@thefunny9]

Wait, ur here also?

[@vergil2067]

@@thefunny9 Yep.

[@bruhvna3648]

You have a really good channel here keep it up dude

[@pedropedrohan102]

8:49 that was smooth

[@オクタン-g7u]

Still have no idea how Infinite Crucible Blade Usages isn't a cheat code yet lmao.

[@Thetravelingmonke]

8:48 ok but can we talk bought that transition'

[@project4061]

With Crucibles being among the strongest weapons in DOOM, and their power being reserved for only warrior kings, and marauders loyal to the Khan Makyr, the Marauder's dialog makes more sense. Chronologically, the Slayer -for lack of better wording as I write this- slew the titan with his Crucible we see him remove remove from, was before the civil war of Argent Den'rr (correct me if that was misspelled). In a sense the Slayer committed treason by not being the heir to the throne. Therefore being a "usurper" in the eyes loyal to the people of King Novic who sided with the Khan Makyr. If we look at the Betrayer, his Crucible is unique in the fact that rather than being a bladed weapon, it's a war hammer, and we never see energy crackle off of it. This could be because he did not prefer bladed weaponry, or he reforged it as he betrayed his people. As a side note to this, if the Marauder ever found the Betrayer, the former would most likely kill the latter, and break the hammer Crucible. If we look at the Marauder, both he, and his Crucible have been changed. While we see ones from Argenta made of metal and appear sleek, and the one from DOOM 2016 is apparently made of flesh and bone with two metal prongs, the Marauder has his battleaxe as a mid-ground between the two we've seen. This could also have us infer that Crucibles are an extension, or are in someway tied to those whom they belong. Also do note this is from someone who is yet to play either of the recent games of DOOM. Thank you for reading if you did, and feel free to correct me if anything above is wrong.

[@SnakEyes23]

Sick lore dude 👍👍👍

[@Radioactive_Skittles]

Cause when you’re in a bad situation, the crucible won’t just level the playing field, it’ll LEVEL the playing field.

[@balcuv]

To any noobs who are wondering what the engravings/markings on the crucible are, Its actually the language of the demons, I can't exactly translate it, But It's in the demon language

[@coltonboyd788]

I thought doom slayer can’t use the demonic crucible...he can use it for draining the wraiths power but can’t actually use the demonic crucible as a sword because it’s only used for evil attentions.

[@wolfgaunt]

Samuel Hayden used the demonic crucible as the head of ARC to try to defend Earth, and he isn't evil.

[@snackeaterz]

Wish we didn’t need ammo to use the crucible but it’s still my favorite weapon

[@BanishedSilentShadow3318]

Marauder: you are nothing but a usurper *charges his crucible axe* Doom slayer: and you're gonna be my bitch *charges crucible sword* Marauder: fuck....

[@tabkg5802]

There's actually a whole prophecy to demonic crucible. It was in doom 2016

[@melon0vy]

8:49 the transition

[@TheWandererGhost]

i wonder how did they make unmayker as far as i know, an attempt to remake the unmaker but it was a bit weaker

[@bradhedgehog12]

Heh if that wasn’t enough I was able to get the Unmaker Laser Rifle Again. That’s like to of the most op weapons.

[@BigDaddy-je2nq]

So the demonic crucible is like philosopher stones in full metal alchemist?

[@GunlessSnake]

Why do you say "Argentians", btw? The people of Argent D'Nur are called the Argenta, as in "I am of the Argenta" or "The Argenta created the Crucible".

[@gooberuploadsinc]

Earned a like :)

[@FNoelle124]

Man I was really disappointed with how weak the crucible was, like it was featured very prominently in the trailers and then you don’t get it until pretty late in the game and then on top of that it only has 3 charges and each charge is only one demon kill. I feel like it would’ve been better if when you activated it it was on more of a time limit system than a charge system

[@j4ck3t]

Didn't it specificly say in the written lore in game that the doomslayer was given the sword because there was no other choice? And something about need to be chosen first and an outsider was never allowed to carry the sword but since he was infused with divine power they just let him.

[@bradhedgehog12]

Yes! I HAVE THE POWER!!

[@TitanreaperYT]

5:03 That doesnt look like Argent Energy?!? and its blue?!

[@aiharakotokorulesbluerose4170]

when the slayer broke the blade what is happening to the titan's body? and why does it prevent it from moving again

[@klinecars7455]

wraith

[@colecaldwell4278]

Wait what happened to the icon of sin on earth because wouldn’t every demon be trying to get the crucible out of the icons head and bring him out of his coma

[@dgagamingaesir]

If that was possible without getting killed by the residual energies, it would have been done

[@StridingLuna]

What I’m more curious about is what will happen if the slayer makes an appearance on earth.. another thing I wonder is was were there female Sentinels?

[@warbossbenny6877]

Late but I wanna wield the hammer the Betrayer has

[@toastman7671]

Is the spider master from DOOM (2016) of Maykr origin?

[@mauriciolizarbe4835]

the crucible is made from wraith energy

[@DradonIsBoss]

“Doom Eternal lore,” Wasn’t the crucible mentioned in 2016

[@SalsaPie]

So... What are the wraiths exactly? Where did they come from?

[@Meh-el1ej]

What about the Crucible Shield used by marauder ?

[@praetorianrex5571]

Just how big is the Icon of Sin?

[@lonew0lfclaw859]

Demonic crucible is awesome!!! Wuda bn awesome to have been able to use that one to....u know fuck shit up. Also i feel there are waaaay too many plot holes in doom eternal. Unfortunately other than speculations we aint getting anything else at this point. I also feel the way the 'story' was handled in doom 2016 was better. I wanna know how slayer got free, how he got the fortress, the stuff with the coins, the new praetor suit, the other cities on sentinel prime, the story behind both the crucibles and how the hell is it that sentinel prophecies have the doom slayer in it and how the fuck is it that ONLY the slayer is able to use the crucible...?! Too many questions not too sure abt getting satisfactory answers though.

[@FishGears]

👍

[@Alfred8805]

So is argent energy and wraith energy both red? Or is argent energy red and wraith energy blue? Im very confused

[@lupahole]

Moah enjoy fenshingu

[@derekbromley3061]

I think I know what the power of the crucibles are it is argent energy

[@whymecri6739]

Good job Captain Obvious.

[@Somedude7578-f8j]

Demonic crucible op

[@skully7501]

Look at what this guy uploaded the other day!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGjOdXZ6pZyen68

[@horusdark4343]

Or he used it in honor of them

[@Cawshes]

Gutted we didn't get to fight a Titan.

[@wolfgaunt]

We did though. The Icon of Sin is a titan.

[@Cawshes]

@@wolfgaunt the other ones we saw. Also i thought the IOS wasn't a Titan?

[@wolfgaunt]

@@Cawshes Its codex entry calls it a titan. "...it was by Hell's unholy design that the Icon of Sin was given flesh. The fearsome Titan, forged from the essence of mortal suffering, once bore a human soul..."

[@myboy_]

Come on guys let's get those likes to 666

[@ramsa65]

First this is why my dad left me

[@Tris289]

He knew the crucible. But his true anger was and still is over what hell did to Daisy, his pet rabbit