Doom Eternal Next-Gen Upgrade: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S - All Modes Tested

[@kwedl]

I'm just glad that we are finally at the point where having multiple settings for performance, visuals, RT is becoming a standard on console.

[@teddyholiday8038]

I especially hope that 40hz full fidelity mode (as found in Rift Apart) becomes a standard option too. Way better than 30fps and still keep full resolution and full ray tracing.

[@TheGlintJaw]

@@teddyholiday8038 yeah, 40fps is soo much better. It's nothing crazy but it looks so much better than 30fps.

[@mrpiratefox4497]

@@TheGlintJaw yeah the bad thing is that it would only work on 120hz TVs, and well... They are quite expensive comapred to regular 4k60hz tv

[@TheGlintJaw]

@Top Noodle true true.

[@TheGlintJaw]

@@mrpiratefox4497 yeah.

[@mayman4255]

"It's very hard to find any performance dips" Devs really went far and beyond on this game; kudos to them.

[@teddyholiday8038]

iD tech is extremely well optimized engine. Game has always run buttery smooth on even low end hardware on PC. We need more games with this engine.

[@Ryzen-gh1en]

@@teddyholiday8038 vulkan doesn't like older gpu specially card with bellow 4gb vram or only 4gb vram but it scale amazingly well older cpu and idtech is fucking amazing, i wonder how this engine will scale in big open world games specially in ubisoft game lol like watch dogs legion which is one of the worse dx12 port even low level api doesn't save the game

[@deathtrooper2048]

Cause the devs just used a lower res for their shit engine, the cod engine is much better

[@natalieschall8933]

@@deathtrooper2048 CODs engine is average at best. Seems like it can’t handle compressed files. Otherwise Warzone would be way smaller.

[@deathtrooper2048]

@@natalieschall8933 that's because the mw 2019 engine is shit, cold war's engine is better

[@mustafasiddique515]

This is how games needs to be optimized! Other developers should take notes.

[@PantherCrane]

Especially Naught Dog and Sony Santa Monica

[@mustafasiddique515]

@Alex Pare we haven’t seen these studios properly for next gen yet but knowing then they will do great but this game actually shows me next gen power. 1800p 120 FPS should be standard not 1080p. Also this game looks demanding with how fast it is. Every studio should optimize their games like Doom eternal. I don’t think they have too many excuses any more

[@LogicInWords]

@@mustafasiddique515 it’s not about excuses, it’s about the game itself: just because one game can achieve something doesn’t mean the other can. It all depends on the game honestly.

[@mustafasiddique515]

@@LogicInWords that makes sense but doom eternal is definitely a demanding game. The camera moves so fast and the game is gorgeous! I know there’s more realistic looking games which would be more demanding but they should try and optimize the best they can. Unfortunately I don’t think everyone is doing that. I mean look this runs at native 4K at 60 FPS. While other games are running at dynamic 4K. Studios should try just a little bit harder

[@LogicInWords]

@@mustafasiddique515 I completely agree with you 100%. Also the engine for doom is one of the best as well. The game already ran well to me but with this next gen update it basically put it on steroids lol

[@MEXUS.]

The optimization is just incredible!

[@rodylermglez]

High frame rates on consoles is kinda insane, and I love it!

[@weedman5942]

@Mr.Buttons I agree 100%. I really wish they put a DP so you can use dirt cheap 120/144 monitors.

[@IAMjessiebristol]

@Mr.Buttons Or at least a bi-directional DisplayPort to HDMI 2.1 adapter. They already sell one, but it only works one way (DisplayPort -> HDMI 2.1). It'd be nice if they made one that was either bi-directional or an HDMI 2.1 -> DisplayPort 1.4.

[@brewski535]

@Mr.Buttons huh, most 120/144hz monitors have hdmi 2.0 input. 120hz works fine up to 1440p over hdmi 2.0.

[@pennywisethedancingclown7139]

@Mr.Buttons HDMi 2.1 will take over display port I think... The 3000 series Nvidia and the new AMD cards already have HDMi 2.1 ... As are most current modern higher end monitors.

[@brewski535]

@Mr.Buttons normally freesync works just fine over hdmi but the range is often more limited than the display port range. Sometimes if a monitor doesn't support 1440p + 120hz + VRR at the same time over HDMI you have to reduce the resolution to 1080p to get both 120hz and VRR.

[@DanXcel]

I think we can all agree that 2 years ago we never would’ve thought hardware ray tracing to be possible on next gen consoles. The fact that we are getting hardware ray tracing at 60fps speaks to what is possible with a truly sophisticated engine like id Tech. They are wizards over there!!

[@mtdubdachamp6917]

Man I never knew what ray tracing was til last year lol. I'm a console gamer and have been since i was a kid. But I'm loving it on my PS5 it really makes a difference.

[@andresalfonso4407]

If you wanna get impressed go look ratchet and clank running at 60 FPS with raytracing on Ps5

[@Daniel189HLL]

And the capability of a game box costing 350-450 quid

[@MrLuizsaluti]

I would like to see a game make use of global illumination on consoles.

[@Daniel189HLL]

@@MrLuizsaluti metro exodus?

[@WeebleFox]

the id tech engine is gonna be really useful for Microsoft this gen

[@metallicafan416]

I'm hoping the engine is used for quake

[@raresmacovei8382]

Maybe. They already have Coalition as masters of Unreal 4 and Turn 10/Playground as masters of the Forza engine which could be adapted for so many things. We'll see.

[@peternash7104]

@@raresmacovei8382 You can use all tech. So Unreal 5 has the really cool tech where it hides the details of textures not seen. Id tech is amazing at dynamic scaling. Both can worth in tandem. Include this support to Creation Engine 2 so you can have mod support and you can a beastly engine. Playground's issue is that they are technically not using a new engine and they need to update their engine to have RT support outside of Vista. Id tech can help w/ that since they are a master w/ RT with minimal hit in performance. Then we got 343, where honestly their new engine doesn't support RT (never declared) and still haven't shown footage of the game running on XSX when it's months before release after a year delay...I think they need the most help.

[@HaloGaming08]

@@peternash7104 yea originally before the delay Ray tracing was coming post launch now its a mystery

[@andyward8430]

Not only the engine itself but the people behind the engine will probably be able to offer quite a bit of technical help to the other studios when needed.

[@swayamkrishnan8273]

Series s pushing for 1440p 60 and 1080p 120….damn that defied my expectations

[@unrelatedpopcornfire9823]

Thats ehat it was markered for and now its surprising.

[@Sam-K]

Well, its GPU trade blows with GTX980, a six year old flagship.

[@pixelbitg9386]

When used properly it's a damn food console

[@alex1212456]

Series s matching PS4 pro performance isn’t really that impressive though

[@kizzgizz]

@@alex1212456 I mean, I doubt the ps4 pro could do 120fps, visually I see what you mean but performance hell naw

[@Beer-Baron]

This really might be the last time we see id tech on a PlayStation console; the id tech engine itself is really one of the hugest assets Xbox gained from the Bethesda acquisition..

[@iOSGaming14]

I strongly believe it won’t be seeing as they have outsourced the engine in the past but I maybe wrong. I know the IW engine made by infinity ward and trayarch is a modified version on ID Tech 3 and has been used even today just with upgrades so who knows, PlayStation still has access to the unreal engine which is just as good if not better than ID Tech 7.

[@sean7332]

@@iOSGaming14 currently I'd seems much better for optimization for 60fps fps games

[@Beer-Baron]

@@iOSGaming14 true, it could always be outsourced, but that decision is now solely Xbox’s as they have ownership; I think it’s very possible thought that another id tech game will be on PS5; as for UE5, there’s already at least 4 confirmed Unreal engine 5 exclusive games coming for Series X, and Zero for PS5; Aside from days gone (which is now, “Gone”) I don’t think any other PS studios even used Unreal engine, but yeah there’s always that

[@iOSGaming14]

@@Beer-Baron whether titles that use the unreal engine comes to the PlayStation was not what I was saying, not trying to turn this into a fanboy argument but I said PlayStation still has access to it, which I believe is a better engine. If those ID tech titles don’t come to my PS5 I always have my gaming laptop and gaming pc which both are faster than the series x admitted I payed premium for the laptop and parts to build my pc but it’s something I enjoy. People can argue what they want but owning a decent PC/Gaming Laptop, PS5 and the Nintendo switch is all you need. No use for Xbox this gen, same as the last. That last good console that the Xbox has made was the 360 regardless of the red ring of death. Game pass accounts for more users in PC than the Xbox and the sales between both series x and ps5 are in the Sony’s favour again more consoles sell more software sold the more money is made. Take Microsoft’s lead in the pc space and have Xbox its own thing and it would be third place constantly! They got all that money from dominating in the software space before Xbox was a thing nothing to brag about just using daddy’s money as they say. Playing monopoly by buying studios will back fire on them tremendously.

[@cynthiaandoh9575]

@@iOSGaming14 You just made a whole bunch of fanboy points to discredit Xbox. "Acquisition good, but bad since Microsoft use dADdY mOneY" Like, who cares? Or saying dumb stuff like them buying studios or a monopoly will "backfire tremendously". You're cappin hard.

[@nrabbi93]

Been waiting for this analysis video since the update came out last week.

[@XBnPC]

Man, DF is falling off. The content they put between that time was garbage and other individuals that have a few hundred subs are starting to these comparisons Better. Idk what's going to happen to these people's channel. Even IGN is putting out 4k comp vids now. Bad news for DF I guess. Their comparison videos are the only reason I visit the channel. For the record, they have done some great work in the past, but again they're starting to get outclassed on the videos I care about by a Lot of other channels. Maybe it's just tedious for them, but they have a whole crew and this game has RAY TRACING.... you'd think they'd be All Over the comparison video day/minute ONE.

[@Pitcher-T]

How do you guys manage to produce so many top quality 15+ min videos? Excellent work as always, very informative

[@andyward8430]

I played through the first couple of levels on series x and really liked the raytracing mode.

[@oooo1110]

Already played the game on One S year ago i dont know if it's worth playing ogain on Series X

[@maugod6972]

@@oooo1110 it is lol in One S it looks and runs like shit conpared to Series X

[@jamezxh]

@@maugod6972 no shit

[@sleeplessindefatigable6385]

Yeah, I think the thing with RT is that it makes far more difference to have it at all, than to have high quality rt over lower spec rt. Even having really low quality RT still looks way better than not having RT.

[@danielszenyan7286]

@@sleeplessindefatigable6385 khm, RTX is not needed at all. I vote for high texture+1440P+60frames+100% view distance on console as standard, without any shit specials like shadow mapping+film grain+raytracing shit+motion blur what cuts on the horse power to the half. The consoles have weak APU, 2year and it will be a big horse shit for raytracing...

[@kboi1170]

18:32 Yo, he wasn't bothering anyone. Why'd you have to go and ruin his day like that?

[@Anandroid]

Lmao man he was just having a typical la Dee da Wednesday

[@resonatingraptorid6519]

I can't wait to look at all the lovely, thoughtful, unbiased comments for this video 😁

[@CPhelps1247]

Their opinions are strong, but nothing is stronger than family❤️

[@briankeogh335]

I finally upgraded to a gaming monitor from my old 1080p tv for this game alone

[@Majorblack]

N64 is better

[@teddyholiday8038]

Facts don’t care about feelings. Series X wins this. Higher resolution and better performance in all three modes. Loading is the same. Clear win for Xbox. To date, PS5 has won more than XsX but XsX is gaining some momentum recently.

[@Joaquincastellan]

DF are just (insert company i don't like here) shills.

[@Metaris]

So glad to see more games coming out w 120fps modes.

[@Tyreker]

Now I just need a tv that can do 120fps

[@julien2231]

120fps sucks. Id rarher have great visuals at 60fps

[@shmekelfreckles8157]

@@julien2231 why? It’s Doom Eternal. There is a world of difference between 60 and 120 fps in a game like this.

[@julien2231]

@@shmekelfreckles8157 i never cared for more than 60fps. Even when i was playinh exclusively on pc

[@DoobSac]

@@julien2231 This game benefits a lot from 120 fps. The fast pace action is perfect for it. You're flying around so much I don't think the resolution is as important as it would be in a slower paced game.

[@Blobbybobbyboy]

120fps on this game is amazing, especially on the hard difficulties when the gameplay is so fast. I feel like I've been pulled out of a vortex when a combat encounter ends.

[@ShaktiChaturvedi]

Another great video. Series S user here, I finished the base game in both the One S back compat (the one with lower quality textures and visibly softer image) and the new upgraded version (which visually looks a lot better than the One S version, with better textures and a sharper image). And yes on a 1080p display (like the one I have) the softness is not as noticeable as mentioned in the video . The 120fps mode is a total blast and must be experienced to be believed. I really hope ID are rebooting Quake as rumored. Quake was one of the first games I ever played on a PC (in mighty 640x480) and I trust ID to knock it out of the park gameplay and performance wise !

[@Ryzen-gh1en]

i wish Microsoft specially let other dev use this engine which are exclusive to pc and xbox like the medium instead of unreal engine which has lots of frame pacing issue, imagine if the medium was based on IDTECH 7 i doubt it would dips bellow 30 even mid range gpu like rtx 2060

[@argenys]

Not sure why most DF video keep talking about the XSS in the context of a 4K screen. Like most users know this is a 1080p/1440p machine for those screens not 4K.

[@jamezxh]

Great unbiased comment 👍 everyone just seems to piss in the last Gen version . I thought the One S done a great job at running it

[@jamezxh]

@@argenys true the SS on a 1440p screen is a very good purchase .

[@kamilciura7953]

@@argenys because 4K panels are all that is currently made in TV space and most consoles are hooked up to a TV, not monitor. I still have 1080p TV and no intention of replacing it any time soon, but when time comes eventually, it is not as simple as walking in to a store and getting another 1080p one... So yeah, even though we all know what XSS is, how games look on 4K screens still matters to people. I honestly hoped that we'll see more of checkerboarding on the machine but it seems that it is just too much work to implement this in games and devs are happy with pared back resolution without any upscaler. XSS is potentially able to use the latest FidelityFX Super Resolution, maybe we'll see some of that at least in 1st party titles.

[@OrbitalShell]

I can't look at this video without crying, as I play DOOM eternal on the switch. I'm grateful I have it though.

[@xtechtips152]

Ah the 720p 24 fps experience. Pure cinematic.

[@pennywisethedancingclown7139]

@@xtechtips152 I think DOOM on switch goes down to like 540p at times

[@OrbitalShell]

@@xtechtips152 Hey! At least I can play it. It's coming to a point where the switch is going to be incredibly lacking in more modern titles. Then Nintendo trolled us with an OLED model that is literally just a an OLED screen on the old hardware. Bruh, Nintendo hates me.

[@yab3146]

@@OrbitalShell we really do need an actual new switch, the current switch hardware is on par with low end smartphones which is not great for games

[@BlueisNotaWarmColour]

@@OrbitalShell Nintendo gotta Nintendo

[@dougkaplan1449]

Looking forward to what Microsoft does with this amazing idtech engine in the future. QUAKE!!!!

[@hannibalb8276]

yes!

[@luxorcephrenSE23]

@@hannibalb8276 yes indeed!!!

[@razial5745]

Unreal tournament

[@granthefato340]

@@razial5745 if only

[@bltzcstrnx]

@@razial5745 even if it gets released, Unreal Tournament will most likely use Unreal Engine 5 or later.

[@FEWGEE1]

What a great next-gen update, and the fact that it's free is amazing. Other studios should take note!!

[@miikasuominen3845]

Damn, I'm in awe with the engine and the level of optimization of this game. Every developer, take note! Fantastic stuff and I'll take my hat off to id.

[@alpha6games751]

Insomniacs been doing legit work like this as well. Lots of options great optimization.

[@spenny2cents]

Yeah buddy I’m sure game developers are reading your comment and taking these words to heart!

[@miikasuominen3845]

@@spenny2cents That's their own loss, if they don't. Buddy. 😂🤣😂

[@mopar426power]

Just played this on the Series X. All I can say is wow, this upgrade is incredible.

[@eyeofthetiger7]

I still haven't played this yet, but now I want to get this on my series x

[@nicekix3038]

@@eyeofthetiger7 it’s on game pass

[@ivanfabric]

So glad with capability of the new gen consoles! RT, 4K, VRR, 120 Hz, SSD. It's amazing!

[@Cosmycal]

Well, Xbox One S already had 4K, VRR and 120Hz output capability.

[@MisterReen]

@@Cosmycal just a capability is not enough. SX and Ps5 might even have 8K capabilities but we won’t see this in large games.

[@maizeman90]

@@MisterReen I doubt we ever see 8k on either system. Zero need for it.

[@Cosmycal]

@@MisterReen Of course not, I wasn't meaning that.

[@shyff2188]

They’re hitting everything they advertised in the first year, the one thing left is 8k & it will probably be achievable at 30 fps in the latest years of the generation

[@JonathanTacoman]

Conker sequel with the ID tech engine, make it happen Microsoft

[@shockvalue5086]

This. Especially if there can be stylised elements

[@darthkermit4617]

Id tech and doom is silky smooth

[@jtjones4727]

The IdTech engine has always been impressive too me. The fact that the Series S can run the game at 120 fps shows the high level of optimization.

[@ssteinerjr]

@O N What?

[@ssteinerjr]

@O N I would look at a spec sheet, because you are delusional if you think the series S is more powerful than a ps5.

[@_Crystall]

@O N i like xbox but are you dumb? ps5 performs waaaay better

[@nicowank634]

​@@ssteinerjrwhat are you talking about?

[@ssteinerjr]

@@nicowank634I was replying to someone else saying the Series S was more powerful than a PS5. It seems they deleted their comment.

[@sam-man9064]

14:32 this is 120hz's biggest weakness, if you use the ice bomb and flame belch you will see some very hard dips to framerates especially when you close in on the demons.

[@Nonx47]

Meh, VRR takes care of that for me pretty well

[@bearpuns5910]

The ice bombs are my only performance complaint about Eternal. I could be between 120 and 144 and then BOOM - down to 60.

[@AlphaDwg]

120 down to 109 isn't really that big a dip but on the series x/s side there is support for VRR so it isn't even worth discussing if you are like me and have a VRR capable set. All these dips are just academic. playing at 120 on series x in that same section i didn't notice anything.

[@sam-man9064]

@@Nonx47 it's a shame it isn't supported on ps5

[@chriswright8074]

@@AlphaDwg you mean free sync

[@derschakal718]

I bought a Series S. Playing all non X|S optimized games off an external HDD. Still fast. Internal SSD is reserved for X|S optimized games. Very fast.

[@notkjjk]

The Series S is absolutely insane given its price. That combined with Game Pass is without a doubt the best value in gaming in my book.

[@ThibautMahringer]

I do the same on my Series X. I kept some One / One X games on the SSD but if I get more Series X optimized games I'll move them on the HDD. I feel like playing One / One X games on an external HDD on Series X is faster than playing on internal HDD on a One X.

[@franciscofarias6385]

@@notkjjk IMO if play on a 1080 TV and don't care about having lots of game installed at the same time the Series S is a wonder. It's definitely good enough for most people.

[@lord-fishv7355]

@@franciscofarias6385 The series S one of the worst things to buy why deleting games to download others gives me panic attacks and infuses my blood with anger especially Modern warfar 2019 if you delete it you might as well sell your soul to a demon if your friends ask you if you want to play it again.

[@DanIsJustDan]

@@lord-fishv7355 Recommend getting an external HDD or SSD, then moving games back/forth between internal NVME SSD. External storage devices have a large capacity at a cheap price, and transfers speeds for these consoles are very quick. No need to delete any games and waste precious bandwidth (if you have data caps).

[@noahhumphrey2293]

I want to see the performance metrics while someone that’s really good at the game is playing bc there can be a TON of particle/alpha effects when the game is played at a high level

[@DoobSac]

This guy playing is pretty bad lol. He still hasn't discovered the dash mechanic.

[@jackwiedemann]

Well, this person will probably use a PC

[@BetaBreaking]

Was just playing through the Doom-Hunter boss fight on Series X, fucking phenomenal. I was playing the Raytracing mode and it did make my Xbox hot but hot damn, it's making this Nightmare run look beautiful. I think it's boosting my performance (in-game) lmao.

[@thanksbetotap]

Will be nice to see more and more games taking advantage of VRS!

[@emodadon1131]

Funny it took an Xbox first party studio to implement it. It's almost like other 3rd parties go out of thier way not to take advantage of xbox tools

[@thanksbetotap]

@@emodadon1131 I mean, other games like Dirt 5 have used Tier 1 VRS. Tier 2 takes more effort, so it makes sense more time was needed.

[@paulszki]

@@emodadon1131 I dare say if Microsoft hadn't bought Bethesda, ID-Software would still have used VRS Tier 2. It's part of DirectX 12 which is also used on PC. So any developer who decides to use VRS 2 on PC will just enable it on Xbox as well.

[@imt558delux]

But also VRS brings worse IQ despite higher resolution which is visible in XSX version

[@TerraWare]

@@imt558delux The whole point of it is to reduce resolution in areas you don't notice. For example when you're playing Doom your eyes are glued to the area around the gun, the middle of the screen. Yeah if you stop playing and zoom in you may notice the lower resolution in some of the areas but when you're playing your peripheral vision doesn't notice it. It's definitely something that works really well with a shooter or racing game but not so much with a strategy game for example where the game is much more slower paced and you're looking allover the screen at different things. If it's programed on object where the player wont be looking depending on what's going on you won't know it's on unless you pause to zoom in to look for it. In my opinion anyway.

[@Unprotected1232]

DOOM IS ETERNAL!

[@mattj2692]

Interesting, IGN's breakdown had the series x load times less then half a second more then PS5's not double. In my personal use it has also been super quick, def not 8 seconds as they experienced. I wonder if it's because I started up a new game and they are using an existing save file for their tests.

[@mickryu]

I noticed this too. Mine boots up cold at around 5 sec and faster with Quick Resume.

[@gtavshortclips4740]

Yeah it loads faster for me to and i play new game

[@jotawayhijo]

Also, 5 seconds loading times.

[@RaheemMcdermott]

5 seconds for me also

[@RetroniOS]

No. It's because DF love PS5.

[@Komodo_Dragon]

I've just completed the game on ps5 with RT on. Oh boy, this game looks and plays sick! I highly recommend getting it.

[@HaloGaming08]

Absolutely if you love first person shooters this I think is an absolute must play

[@Lancelotxxx]

Just order mine for 15 bucks. Feel good man !

[@HaloGaming08]

@@Lancelotxxx nice!

[@ThePokestopPapi]

Man the RT on the 5 is just absolutely gorgeous

[@krzysztof6591]

What is most amazing in this game, that you will ignore almost all graphical features in real game, but watching it in slo mo, brings out all the wonderfull things that ID put in there.

[@spgreacts4507]

It DOESN'T take over 8 seconds to load on Xbox Series consoles, I've done it repeatedly and it's always around 5 seconds... Reference IGN's video with MVG breaking it down.

[@criticalthinking7525]

Exactly what i said. 8 second my xbox series x doesnt take 8 seconds either. Strate bs🤦‍♂️

[@TotalGAMIX]

Really!???

[@vildhjarta8760]

Same here

[@rapsod1911]

Can you dissect Alone in the Dark: The New Nightmare for PS1 game engine? How they make such good lighting effect on 2D pre-rendered background?

[@Alexander5R]

I think you can pitch video ideas if you are on Patron, this would probably make an excellent DF Retro video.

[@selnor1983]

Playing for the first time on Series X. And wow is this game amazing. Visuals are incredible. And I hope all games aim for 60fps. Visuals look so much better at 60fps. Even the supposed 30fps quality modes in other games look nowhere near as good in motion as games in 60fps. After all we don't play games in screenshots. We play the moving. And ID deserve huge praise. They are masters of technical achievments. It looks unreal in motion. RT mode is hiw I'm playing it.

[@spacejunk8978]

Good God I'd LOVE a remaster of the first Rage

[@AvalancheOfFire]

Me too! Supremely underrated game that I thoroughly enjoyed, and happily bought for full price on release.

[@spacejunk8978]

@@AvalancheOfFire I didn't even get more than like 5 hours in for whatever dumb reason but I remember loving it.

[@kodemasterx]

Hopefully, a QUAKE single player is next in their catalog... A reboot campaign against the STROGG or better yet a LOVECRAFTIAN universe.

[@-1nterruption-960]

Yes. This is what we've been waiting for

[@VickNumber7]

Just insane that Microsoft will now had ID tech to work with moving forward. Definitely going to translate into better looking games.

[@Hello-ig1px]

that makes no sense. you think the PS5 is holding back the Series X more than the Xbox One S|X & Xbox Series S are holding back the Series X?

[@MrFallen1ne]

@@Hello-ig1px Thats exactly why every big upcoming game for playstation is cross gen aka on ps4 and ps4 pro also. So by your same logic ps5 is being held back too right? Besides what's that have to do with xbox having ID as an in house studio to work on first party titles for series s/x in days to come? Try to use commonsense.

[@kaarthuisplus]

@@MrFallen1ne of course the ps5 is being held back by cross gen.

[@mononoke721]

Id software easily has some of the best programmers and engineers in the industry. Astonishing work from a pure technical standpoint, and then on top of that - Doom Eternal is one of the best shooters in over a decade. You guys are on fire! Just can't decide whether I wanna replay it with ray-tracing on or at 120fps - literally spoilt for choice. Maybe I'll just play it twice on both modes - IT'S THAT GOOD!

[@Y0URGRANDMA]

They really should start implementing mouse and keyboard support for fps games on consoles now, given the awful gpu market and 120hz benefits now on consoles I think it would start to become much more popular thing.

[@blackdubz]

Eternal doesn't offer that on Series X or PS5?

[@Starless85]

Playing it again on raytracing mode, I noticed one hitch one time when mantling up onto a ledge, that’s it, and I’m almost finished with the main campaign. A Fucking joy to play.

[@Chasm9]

I'm level 95, all achievements.. 300 hours on PC, 70 hours on PS5 and I still keep coming back to master levels on Ultra nightmare

[@griffgames9538]

Locked 60fps + RT is a fine mode for a single-player experience. 120hz + reduced RT is a perk, but it's not dramatically upticking the player's input response in single-player to a point that's worth compromising. In multiplayer? Certainly 120hz mode on new gen console brings (best case) advantages to competitive MP, if net connection quality is a non-issue.

[@latech7671]

9:23 Funny that even Digital Foundry can't adjust to Doom now being a Microsoft IP

[@pixeljauntvr7774]

Because Doom Eternal is a 3rd party game. The game released before Microsoft purchased them.

[@latech7671]

@@pixeljauntvr7774 yes, but the implementation of this next-gen Version is now First-Party (including VRS)

[@spenny2cents]

@@latech7671 wow you fanboys never cease to amaze me 😂

[@latech7671]

@@spenny2cents how is this being a fanboy. If anything this shows that VRR-Implementation is to be expected and nothing special because when a game/update is developed by a first-party it should use all the tech possible on this system. Btw: I own a PS4 and PC so I am in both camps. And yes, I like Microsofts approche better right now but I also like Sony's exclusives better right now. Both could change any day

[@bboosss1065]

this engine is a true masterpiece...every game studio needs to learn

[@nanoua27]

@Digital Foundry : a DF Retro episode on Primal / Ghosthunter for the PS2 any chances ? They are technical marvel for PS2 games.

[@iraglop748]

Really looking forward to discovering the next episode of doom on xbox serie, although some rumors talk about the return of Quake

[@00Clive00]

Yes, I'd love to see a new Quake campaign, still happy playing old Quake for multiplayer and don't think a modernised version would work well, maybe a proper remake of the original multiplayer game like Halo 1 + 2 anniversary might work.

[@LockeNL]

Loved quake 4!

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

I think they'll take a break on Doom for a while. Maybe not 13 years like last time, but surely for a bit. It really feels like the wave of franchise reboots from the mid 2010s (Tomb Raider, Hitman, Doom) is kinda settling and taking some downtime.

[@sinar212]

Oh man, for sure give us a DARK and more serious tone remake of Quake. Make it feel dreadful like the 1st one

[@rob_i208]

9:20 "Might be first 3rd party game to use VRS on Series hardware" While I'd expect idSoftware would have supported this if Bethesda hadn't bought them out, they are technically no longer a 3rd party to Xbox consoles.

[@jameswtlocs]

It was made before the buyout so it's still a third party game

[@ronniewhitedx]

This and the re engine are two of the most optimized engines I've ever had the pleasure of being able to play on

[@Stop_Elitists_Wars]

Saw the title & went straight to my XseriesX to Game Pass to install.. Never played Doom before but looks stunning. 4k / 60fps, Ray Tracing, HDR.. Yes please.

[@Daveyengland]

Who needs next-gen? Looks astonishing on PS4 Pro.

[@JustMikeBro]

Doom isn’t a demanding game and I do love next gen

[@babyknight]

I’m love playing all these games on my ps5 it’s worth it and big upgrade from my ps4 😂😂🔥

[@Crashed131963]

Load time reductions .

[@Daveyengland]

@@Crashed131963 - I have an SSD in my PS4 Pro and it runs like a dream.

[@Crashed131963]

@@Daveyengland That is a awesome upgrade on the PS4. Pro .

[@kieran.grant_]

I get that this is a very extreme circumstance, so I'm not complaining. But I found some *major* frame dips on PS5 when freezing a group of enemies, throwing grenades at them, and firing a gun like the Unmakyr. However, that was an actual gameplay attempt and not me actively hunting for dips.

[@16-BitKev]

I recently went through it again on ps5 and honestly it looks pretty damn good. It runs close to perfect, there isn't really any slow down that the naked eye can notice. And on a quick note, the game actually can load faster than what they said here, usually if you reload a checkpoint it's literally like 2 seconds. Pretty cool stuff here

[@BIaziken2]

It's honestly kind of insane we're getting locked 120fps games less than a year after the launch of the new consoles. Good stuff.

[@PantherCrane]

Watch in 2-3 years when both consoles are firing on all cylinders, it won’t be the case for one of them!

[@ashinastyle]

@@PantherCrane ? How do you mean, they’ll stop making games run at 120fps you mean?

[@PantherCrane]

@@ashinastyle yeah

[@ashinastyle]

@@PantherCrane How so, asking sincerely?

[@cmdr101z8]

@@PantherCrane You talking about the Series S? Yeah, I don’t think it’ll be running games at 120fps in a few years

[@oktusprime3637]

Digital Foundry: The primary ammunitions manufacturer for console wars since 2013!

[@chronuckle]

So, I don't get it. With last gen and now current gen consoles, why do many games not have anisotropic filtering? It can't be a raw horsepower thing since from what I'm aware, it doesn't affect performance on PC that much.

[@johnwest6977]

I though they Xbox implemented 16x anisotropic filter since the Xbox One X released.

[@chuckmayhem1991]

Its a memory throughput bottleneck on consoles. It has a severe impact on performance in that case, PC included.

[@andyward8430]

@@johnwest6977 on back compat games that is true, but anything that is current gen has AF set by the developer.

[@andyward8430]

My understanding is that on pc it isn’t an issue due to the gpu having dedicated memory but on console the memory is shared by gpu and cpu so anisotropic filtering can use up a lot of bandwidth. I’m just repeating something I saw someone else post on a different video though so I might be wrong.

[@johnwest6977]

@@andyward8430 ah gotcha thanks for the info

[@anasshahid224]

ID did an absolutely amazing job with ID Tech 7, playing on the PS5, Doom Eternal looks gorgeous 🙌

[@kutdownongaming1935]

the save issue was a problem, but i just replayed the campaign on ps5 which was fun to do all over. ray tracing is a added bonus, the game does looks way better with it on, seeing fire balls stream or your shots flow across the game floor is great to see, adds more

[@Madblaster6]

13:30 is what we all came for.

[@joemikami]

Great job as usual guys, wish you mentioned the DualSense support because it's just amazing specially for a game like Doom. The adaptive triggers feels different with every weapon and the speaker announcer too.

[@freddywayne]

That's a good point. 🤔

[@darkcult99]

Thank you for separating PC from consoles in these videos 👍

[@pcgameboy8407]

I wanted a more deeper look of PC vs consoles, but only looked at visuals. Not fps and such.

[@robertcook9195]

Agree this patch is amazing, have been mainly using 120 mode on PS5 and it’s buttery smooth, thanks ID!

[@rg975]

Damn, these next gen consoles are beasts. The lack of anisotropic filtering does bother me though, light performance hit for substantial image quality increase, I wonder why it’s not there?

[@cmdr101z8]

Memory bottleneck I’ve heard

[@lysergicaciddiethylamide6127]

I’m played this on the OG Xbox one, now I have the Series X. I think I’ll play that DLC now…… 🔥🤘🔥

[@wile123456]

playing doom eternal at 120 fps on a 300 dollar console is amazing honestly

[@SoSickRick]

The 120FPS being almost locked is amazing was playing on Series X the other evening

[@cosmic_gate476]

Glad you got to experience that bro, always wanted to see console players get the same experience. This gen is the first gen where they're on parity with PC and it's great for everyone

[@littlegloom]

@@cosmic_gate476 not quite true. i remember back when the Xbox 360 launched, and no game on pc could come close to gears of war. of course that all turned around a few years later

[@cosmic_gate476]

@@littlegloom eh, maybe. I'm sure the ps2 was ahead of pc when it released as well. But the last 10 years have painted a different story. A story of consoles so weak they drag the entire industry down with them, so even if it's for a couple years I'm glad there is parity.

[@tonyungfat]

@@cosmic_gate476 If you hate consoles so much why are you here in the comment section?

[@entertainmentwizard2703]

Awesome video! Really hope Doom Eternal gets a complete edition that has both DLC's on the disc!

[@agmk135]

There was also a recent COD Modern Warfare / Warzone patch for the PS5 that enabled 120 FPS. Not sure if you guys knew / want to cover that one. I’d love to see some technical analysis compared to PC as I have a high end gaming PC.

[@LiamLlamaEVEC]

Ooh, I can't wait to watch this!!!

[@Imperator23Lp]

Nice to see 120Hz and RT on consoles but I don‘t know what the problem with AF is. As far as I know AF has no performance impact, it just depends on memory bandwidth and the Next-Gen consoles have more than enough of it. Don‘t know whats wrong with AF on consoles…

[@MisterReen]

Back during the first months with PS4 I remember that there was an issue with AF as well. This was then fixed with help by naughty dog.

[@cmdr101z8]

I’ve heard it’s a memory constraint

[@PeugeotRocket]

I guess MS really wants to build goodwill because they could have easily made this update exclusive to the Series S/X .

[@spenny2cents]

🤣😭😂

[@DEVILTAZ35]

Why is there 118 dislikes when this is one of the most balanced takes i've seen in ages from Digital Foundry with plenty of time spent on all 3 platforms for analysis.

[@afreet777]

Great review as usual but that Caco @17:09 is something else....

[@kieran.grant_]

XD

[@StevieDrawStuff]

Been playing on my series x on a 65 lg oled with hdmi 2.1 and it's beautiful. I really like how quickly you can switch between modes, its impressive. Great video.

[@AlphaDwg]

can't wait to see how DirectML is implemented in all of this. Ray Tracing at 120 with high fidelity seems very possible

[@cs185ym]

Yes of course and what are you dreaming at night.

[@AlphaDwg]

@@cs185ym if you don't understand technology just say it.

[@blackdubz]

@@AlphaDwg I have no idea what is the meaning behind that comment lol

[@helloguy8934]

@@AlphaDwg Directml or not they could probably attempted targeting rt at 120fps. The resolution would obviously be low though. And it may become cpu bound at points. Not sure how much of a performance impact rt has in this game cpu wise. But it's obvious that the consoles do have a fair bit of headroom with rasterization in this regard.

[@AlphaDwg]

@@helloguy8934 with direct ml they could render at 1080p and reconstruct the image to 4k and save on enough performance to still have RT at 120. This is if DirectML can match what DLSS 2.0 is doing. On PC you can get insane performance. With all the bells and whistles including RT at 120fps with even modest cards. AMD has FSR and its gear for what it is but it doesn’t match DLSS 2.0 because it’s not using machine learning to reconstruct the image. DirectML is the directX version of DLSS and it uses machine learning. Nvidia is also working with Microsoft on it. That’s why I’m curious to see what they do with this capability. If it’s anywhere close to what DLSS can do then is going to be huge for future games on Xbox. Especially exclusives

[@xikaryo6735]

This right here is true game optimization. The braindead console fanboys don’t realize that just because a game runs better on one console, it doesn’t mean the console is weaker than the other. If the specs on both consoles are nearly identical, then it simply comes down to game optimization, and that’s down to the developer’s familiarity with the console, not the console itself. They did a great job with all versions of this game.

[@MrElliot1210]

Again, very nice video. I'm going to play DOOM Eternal on my Nintendo Switch in handheld with drifty Joy-Cons.

[@BlueAversion]

A draw-back for consoles I hadn’t anticipated is most TVs don’t seem to go above 60 FPS. If you have a TV capable of outputting 120 FPS you appear to be in the minority. (I know players with a gaming rig could use their PC monitor, but their not likely to be playing the console version anyway)

[@scmsean]

Most people taking about how much better 120 is don't have a TV or monitor that supports 120. If your monitor or TV is over 2 years old you aren't getting 120. If you don't have a recent OLED TV you aren't getting most of the visual improvements either.

[@Thincrust128]

I get annoyed when they are surprised the series X performs better. It has better specs than PS5 so it can handle more.

[@Tyreker]

Did you also get annoyed when they were surprised that the PS5 loads twice as fast as the Xbox consoles?

[@mrrglass3407]

@@Tyreker 2 seconds faster is not twice as fast.. LOL

[@Tyreker]

@@mrrglass3407 dude… the PS5 loads in 4 seconds, the XSX loads in 8 seconds It even shows it in the video, there’s no denying that the PS5 is twice as fast

[@mrrglass3407]

@@Tyreker Other sites are showing different results

[@Tyreker]

@@mrrglass3407 and this video shows gameplay and the loading screen

[@LRon-ef7ni]

It’s funny, cuz I never thought this looked blurry at all. Even on last gen.

[@mrrglass3407]

It depends on the size of the TV you own. Larger TVS show up the differences

[@LRon-ef7ni]

@@mrrglass3407 I got a 65” Sony

[@yaboirichard591]

Cause you ain’t used to high quality graphics. I said the same thing till I switched to pc gaming

[@LRon-ef7ni]

@@yaboirichard591 good. I’ll be sticking with console gaming then.

[@mrrglass3407]

@@yaboirichard591 Another ridiculous comment

[@msg4672]

They all look great! I must say Game Pass wins the day here with the smart delivery.

[@PantherCrane]

Potentially the entire generation..

[@chrisbrown113096]

Game pass and smart delivery are 2 different things

[@PantherCrane]

@@chrisbrown113096 Big W either way

[@chrisbrown113096]

@@PantherCrane yeah I enjoy both , saw the update was out , booted up series x and already had the next gen update and was on the same exact spot I played a couple weeks ago

[@msg4672]

@@chrisbrown113096 which is why I mentioned them separately. The combination of the two is a win.

[@DrGamelove]

You suspect most series S’s are hooked up to 1080p sets? I suspect you are right about that. Aside from people who just don’t have 4K, I’ve seen a lot of gamers who might not necessarily run out and buy new consoles, including retro purists, buy or consider the S to play older titles and Game Pass. It’s a great price with a great form factor and GP is a great service... they may never overtake Sony again, but I think it was a smart SKU.

[@Cyberdemon11120]

I'd just like to add, they seem to have given out a free weapon skin for the Ballista called the 'Ray Tracer'. After applying it, I've actually noticed that Id seems to have given it a clean glossy-metallic texture that utilizes SSR. Can't tell if they did something extra to it for the actual Ray-traced reflections they added to the game since I still haven't been able to get ahold of my preferred Next Gen console... but it seems they have thrown us poor people using last gen consoles a bone by giving us a very well implemented skin utilizing SSR to sort of fake Ray-traced reflections.

[@mduckernz]

Yeah it's just a glossy skin. You won't see the Slayer's own reflection or anything off-screen as you would with RT of course, but it's still pretty even with just SSR

[@bad_max88-Ps5Pro]

120 fps on ps5 feels sooo amazing to play

[@uchinster8]

Enjoy you close to 1080p graphics 😂😂😂.

[@daniloperina9043]

@@uchinster8 fanboy 🤮🤮🤮

[@MikeAruba69]

The 120fps was so smooth, I can no longer go back to play this at 60fps anymore!

[@uchinster8]

@H N who gives a shit. I only can focus on one or two games. So I don't give a fuck about exclusive. Apparently stuck on call of duty warzone and assassin's creed Valhalla. If we had all the PlayStation exclusives, it wouldn't matter because I can only play 2 games. Takes me a whole year to finish games like assassin's creed

[@bad_max88-Ps5Pro]

@@MikeAruba69 so true me too XD

[@Mustafa_9628]

Now you can see yourself mindlessly ripping and tearing demons the whole game

[@Dandus_TF]

Nothing mindless about it.

[@ScrapKing73]

I wonder if any of Microsoft’s other teams will take advantage of them owning iD and will adopt the iD tech engine? Not the Coalition and Gears, as they’re migrating to UE5. But maybe some of the other teams?

[@jayevans20]

I'd be shocked if they didn't. From what I heard, ID tech was one of the reasons Microsoft bought Bethesda.

[@SmarterThanAll]

Well first Id Tech needs to be updated to support DX12 and DX12 Ultimate before Microsoft and any other studio start using it.

[@HaloGaming08]

@@jayevans20 that makes sense a halo game on ID tech engine ugh I would love a game in that

[@matjakobs8612]

Id tech 7 is a beast. Can't wait to see their first next gen only game.

[@daveleebond]

FTFY. 'Can't wait to see their first next-gen only Microsoft ecosystem game.'

[@guyjackson4165]

Watching this video on my TV, sat on the sofa at the other end of the room, I could immediately see the resolution bump as soon as the “balanced” footage started playing. And I’m an old man with dodgy eyesight! I think I get why you guys play down resolution as “not a big deal” and I agree that it’s not very interesting from a technical perspective, but there’s just no denying that even now with 4K televisions it is still the single most important factor in image quality, and that’s not changing any time soon. The resolution of the human eye is just too high.

[@paris6240]

I’m pretty satisfied with this video definitely will have to get this on PS5

[@warumsindalleso]

Enjoy it.. last doom you will play

[@NoName-gp8il]

@@warumsindalleso LMAO

[@verminohara4989]

@AEM AEL shit dude, that must've done some real damage

[@kapsnake]

@@JizzSock_ Where better performance ? Upscale on PS5 are better than Séries 😂😂😂 Open u eyes 2min Fanboy ✌️

[@nickmotsarsky4382]

@@warumsindalleso How do you know he doesn't also own an Xbox or a decent PC?

[@rex41e]

Okay, this is what we've been waiting for. Let's gooo!

[@justinchin0]

Good video! Guess i will be starting over on PS5 which is fine because I was stuck and getting killed where I was anyway, this game is hard! -_-

[@vintechtalk1094]

High quality video. Thank you so much. I have a ps5 but own this game on pc and I think that's where I will be playing it.

[@telboy007]

Not really played that many games with ray tracing, but the moment I looked into one of the windows in this game and saw the horde of monsters closing in behind me was quite an eye opener. Still died a horrible death mind you. :D

[@nickmotsarsky4382]

Nice

[@MrInuhanyou123]

Seems like a great result for all systems! A good send off for Sony systems regarding doom

[@overlader]

Its the last they will get... much problably

[@MrInuhanyou123]

@@overlader yep that's what I was referring to

[@cs185ym]

Why, it is only confirmed that new IPs like Starfield will be exclusive for PC/Xbox? But big old multiplattform IPs like Doom and Wolfenstein could stay multiplattform. The big advantage is all will be in gamepass of course. Is there any official comfirmation from Microsoft about that. I doubt it very much.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

@@cs185ym I mean if Ms are willing to lock new ips to their branding I don't see why youd think other games would be exceptions?

[@slash8944]

@UC5djl7YfWxZQbSBvrAvEAUg keep dreaming all exclusive

[@ChicagoMade]

Great engine can wait to see what they do next

[@bgggsht]

Rage 3 😂

[@-1nterruption-960]

@@bgggsht the next doom. The next quake

[@mrpiratefox4497]

Possibly a new Quake

[@TonyMarklund]

From what I understand, when you upgrade from PS4 to PS5 it's treated like a proper new version of the game which means two games, two sets of trophies, and two sets of game save data.

[@DaPopester1]

Sucks to not have Smart Delivery🥲

[@Anywaays]

Yeah no save transfer yet but it's been worth playing thru again with raytracing tbh

[@cmdr101z8]

@@DaPopester1 I don’t understand why there’s no save progression, since pretty much every other game has it on PS5

[@sean7332]

@@cmdr101z8 because Sony like to make things complicated

[@cmdr101z8]

@@sean7332 Seems like it’s on Bethesda’s end, not Sony’s. If Sony was the issue then no games would have save transfer between PS4 and PS5

[@jeuriarmandomartinezurena7077]

Can’t wait to see a new Doom game specific for Series/PS5 and PC.

[@andrewtt03]

Thanks for the deep dive on the consoles. Great video guys.