Doom II - MAP09: The Pit (Nightmare! 100% Secrets + Items)

[@AlexeiVoronin]

This is one overcrowded pit! This level demonstrates two peculiarities of the Doom engine, the first one being "disabled" Pain Elementals due to a very high number of Lost Souls on the map. This can be quite a valuable advantage, but can be easily lost, if you don't choose your battles carefully. Some source ports remove this limitation, though they usually offer a compat option to restore it. The other peculiarity can be observed around the BFG tower - the projectiles of Doom 2-specific monsters (Mancubi, in this case) can trigger line specials, causing the tower platform to lower. For more info on this, ask Decino to make a yellow-thumbnail analysis video ;)

[@doomerrasa8475]

Hot take: I don't like this this map on UV very much. If you don't know all the lore you're gonna have no ammo the whole time, and the funny stairwell room is jank.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

​@@doomerrasa8475 I agree. It was a bit _too_ experimental.

[@victoriouswinner7745]

Into Sandy’s City is truly amazing, it works well with how brutal it gets

[@Ironstarfish]

One my favorite soundtracks

[@arkkisarkki]

Definitely one of the best in the otherwise pretty muted Doom 2 soundtrack

[@Imgema]

Yeah, probably my favorite DOOM 2 song.

[@Gencoil]

One of my favorites from Doom II, I did a cover of it not long ago. But I never knew the lead melody was supposed to be a harpsichord, I was used to the Adlib version.

[@shizukajonouchi2562]

As others have said, I too think this is my favourite Doom II song.

[@frozenbean]

Dang, as soon as I saw you leave the room after punching the meatballs I was like "noooo, wait!" This run is so great!

[@iamgeorgesears]

7:21 Decino cracking nuts with his butt at that point.

[@wizziestwizzard]

It was fucking insane when doomguy said "All the demons fell into the pit, if I'm not careful I'll meet my doom too."

[@ChorusCory]

i screamed when he said "it looks like ill be going into sandys city" bravo vince

[@JangianTV]

Don't you feel bad for killing those perfectly friendly and harmless meatballs? 😢

[@iguana9173]

Apparently not.

[@BeheadedKamikaze]

They are not so friendly after you kill the other lost souls

[@minicaco4973]

Sad 😔

[@O5MO]

@@BeheadedKamikaze of course they will be angry after killing their friends

[@scottl.1568]

I hate the pain element

[@Sphendrana]

>Clicks on video >Sees length OH BOY IT'S A HARD MAP >Decino bloody perfects the map first try with a forgotten room and backtrack comeback Well. Played. Sir.

[@OldMovieRob]

I found this level challenging to complete even on a basic level.

[@LewisOfAranda]

Those damn moving platforms!

[@DuckReconMajor]

Yeah I struggle with this one even on UV lol

[@aelahn]

my problem with this is the ammo managing and infight managing in the circular outdoors area, the rocket launcher moment, the 3 switch area (particularly the room with the radsuit), and maybe the yellow door room. funny thing, i didn't have a problem with it back in the day, but nowadays for some reason I find it quite challenging...maybe muscular memory

[@eugeniosabater8449]

You have to play on the ultraviolence if you want to have a really edgy encounters!!!!

[@arpy4428]

Very interesting route, I usually go for the BFG first thing on this map to deal with all the clumps of enemies in the elevator acid pits.

[@nathanbeets8229]

We must not only not die, but not FRE@KING die. And sick save at the end.

[@xMrGreeneJeansx]

You made that look way easier than I thought it would be. I was wrong about this being the hardest level, so here's my second guess. The hardest level will be Industrial Zone.

[@jasonmarcus6940]

Industrial Zone is a bit rough on Nightmare with all the hitscanners that can snipe you but the Catacombs on Nightmare is brutal even more so since it’s such a small map

[@iguana9173]

@@jasonmarcus6940 I agree with you on the catacombs.

[@decino]

Don't forget Industrial Zone has the broken Pain Elemental secret that needs to be triggered!

[@jasonmarcus6940]

@@decino oh now THAT will be “barrels of fun” to do on Nightmare

[@iguana9173]

@@jasonmarcus6940 I see what you did.

[@floeckchen666]

Love the improvised runs. Shows the real skill.

[@OmegaTyrant]

Thought it wouldn't get more tense than the ending of the lift section, but that ending and eating point blank Manc fireballs with 68% health + no armor certainly was the most tense moment of this playthrough yet. I also was expecting at least a few outtakes when I saw this video was nearly 14 minutes.

[@bobshop]

Very good play through sir, I have just completed D2 in UV+ but before watching your channel had never attempted more than ITYTD!!! You give hope, skill and confidence to all that behold you Decino! Be well my pumpkin headed friend :-)

[@Eazy..E]

love your channel! you helped me beat doom for the first time in 2020 and now it's my favorite game ever! ❤

[@ericsbuds]

which difficulties do you play usually? I have never tried Nightmare! but I want to start trying it.

[@ic3olate]

@@ericsbuds It certainly isn't for everyone, even if you're "good enough" to play it effectively. I stick with UV/UV Fast Monsters because the respawning demons kill a lot of the sense of progress for me. I like to take my time and thoroughly explore maps, which is all but impossible on Nightmare. It's still entertaining to watch a good playthrough, though!

[@ericsbuds]

@@ic3olate heck yeah! thanks for taking the time to replly :)

[@Eazy..E]

@@ericsbudsWhen I first played, I only played the first level in I'm Too Young to Die mode. I played the rest of the game in Hurt Me Plenty mode and after remembering all the phases I started Ultra-Violence. Soon i'm iniciating Nightmare!

[@doug2434]

"I'm gonna make it" *Immediately takes a mancubus fireball to the face*

[@RedBelmont456]

Decino: I'm gonna make it! Game at 11:00 - ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?! Decino: Yes... That last bit there got me good 🤣

[@linusgustafsson2629]

Same.

[@vinamratarnekar1698]

The best soundtrack ever made in doom history

[@jellyjohn6969]

So nice of the Pain Elementals to show off their dental work!

[@tornado100able]

This surely was the most entertaing map i watched you playing on your NM series! I didn't imagine you could make the pain elementals useless like that by only letting alive the lost souls (what makes sense since there's a high number of them). Also, i didnt know the chaingunners trap could be avoided!

[@iguana9173]

It’s too bad that into Sandy’s city wasn’t used more than once on doom 2. I know it was used once in the master levels ( i forgot which one) twice in no rest for the living and TNT evaluation.

[@therealxoc]

Decino, if you ever analyze TNT you have to title it "TNT Evaluation."

[@themetalcatacombs3790]

It's too much repetitive. For Long maps that would be annoying.

[@Gawayno]

Lovin' this DOOM II playthrough so far! Keep it up!

[@Xarx3s]

This map is the first real skill check in Doom 2 to see if you can handle it on Nightmare. A whole host of factors come into play; from being the first map to showcase the upgrade in power lost souls get going from UV to N! turning them from a mild annoyance to an absolute menace, to how easy it is to get bogged down in that lift room and to top it all off the backtracking; which if you've been bogged down by the lift room, it's now likely that most of the level has now respawned. All these work in it's favour to make it a roadblock and the point where a lot of players throw in the towel. It's not uncommon to see empty Nightmare servers sitting on this level. While MAP04 is arguably harder and kills players far more often, it's short length ultimately allows players to stumble through even if they aren't cut out for it.

[@ericsbuds]

💀I watched your Nightmare! difficulty video again today. Such a great video man. Answered every question I had 💀 oh and the funny emails and voice chat with John Romero part was epic.

[@YogiTheBearMan]

I click so fast when I see a new analysis video with the yellow background in the thumbnail

[@thinkforyourself2109]

That was intense! I could never have done that. You are a master at this. These old maps give me some nostalgia. Played them in the 1990s.

[@rumplespliffskin]

Shotgunner at 6:26: SURPRIIIIIIISE

[@tormuse2916]

I had to watch this, because I've always just liked the music for this level. :) 1:08 Oh, neat trick! It means you missed out on getting a chaingun, but looks like you made it work. :) 3:51 Berserk-punching or chainsawing pain elementals is one of the exquisite joys of this game. :) 6:50 Hey, you really do learn new things about this game every day! :D 9:28 The projectiles lower the lift? That's news to me. Huh... 11:01 Eek! :o Pretty intense finish! Well done! :)

[@TheKalZul]

One of my favourite maps, beautifully done and I will never say no to 11 minutes of Into Sandys City.

[@zoolapin]

after watching Decino's sunlust and other wads that involves tons of pain elementals spawning lost souls, watching harmless pain elemental because of the lost soul limit seems pretty weird to me

[@tornado100able]

yeah, i had forgoten about this limit

[@GeminionRay]

The ending was pretty crazy. Without armor, those Mancubi sure did a lot of damage.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Playing Doom in harder modes (megawads and custom difficulties) made me understand the sheer value of armor. I don't fear low health anymore, but staying in zero armor mode is reason to panic.

[@SyRose901]

​@@DinnerForkTongue I realized the same thing but in Quake Deathmatches, armors are quite the point of interest there.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@SyRose901 Oh yea, for sure. You don't notice it much in the SP campaign because the game is easy and dumps more armor on your head than a workaholic blacksmith, but without any, you get SHREDDED like rice paper. Armor is _critical._

[@SyRose901]

@@DinnerForkTongue Funny thing is that Quake 3's armor system is much simpler than Quake's, where Red Armor and Yellow Armor both grant the same damage absorption of 80%, where Quake Red Armor is the only one with 80% damage absorption. Both games still have players rotating just efficiently enough to return to red armor right when it respawns. Very fun when it works.

[@rankoinazuma6788]

Despite that mistake, you made it, with barely any health, but you made it pumpkin man! A curious thing about the midi is I read somewhere that at one point it originally had a different instrument but it got changed and it made it to what we hear now. Anyway, the pit is history, next step, map 10!

[@decino]

I believe the lead used to be a piano.

[@levesteM]

Bobby Prince originally made the song using a piano. The guys at id said "no piano" and laughed at him. In response, he swapped the piano for a harpsicord as a joke, but the devs liked it, which is the version we got.

[@QuantumWaltze]

"Watch me do this" Proceeds to get mancubed in the face before winning for extra pain.

[@Nob1ej0n]

Wow, not even a single death! That backtrack was nail-biting! 6:47 I never use those teleporters either, so I also didn't know it would take you to the mega armor. Glad you fell down there! Haha

[@MikeJackson690]

Woooowwww, that was epic! Your lift management was quite something and the ending was amazing 😮

[@Vytaan]

Extremely impressed you beat this in one try, I thought there would be an outtake for sure. I had a lot of trouble with this one, so it's great to see the little twists in your strategies as they often make a map quite a bit easier in ways I just didn't think of myself. Now the question remains: when will the first non-MAP04 death be?

[@FloodclawKupo]

The first thought that came to mind was The Inmost Dens because of all the hitscan, but something tells me that he might nail it with practice. Maybe Suburbs because of all items and secrets? But going for the secret exit is much easier than the normal, so perhaps not.

[@Vytaan]

@@FloodclawKupo I agree, I think he's gonna nail The Inmost Dens. MAP10 could go wrong, but creating the route might almost be harder than the map itself. The Factory is a contender, Industrial Zone even more so. Is that one (MAP15) what you mean instead of Suburbs? Because Suburbs only has 5 items and is very doable, so I'd be really surprised if he dies there :p Did you mean Tenements instead of Suburbs? Suburbs only has 5 items and is very doable, but Tenements has 100

[@FloodclawKupo]

@@Vytaan I usually get the names of all the city levels mixed up - the one with the secret exit is what I was talkin bout, MAP15 which appears to be Industrial Zone on double checking. Suburbs absolutely won't give any problems at all I don't think now that I checked which one that was

[@curtisnewman979]

I have to stop, I can’t get through the pit! So I started watching walkthroughs, “ bruh plays on nightmare!!” That’s sick my dude. Definitely aspire to be as smooth as you brotha!

[@Khrada]

The room with a lot of ups-and-downs really made the run look dangerous. It must have been such a relief for you to survive that.

[@J069FIX]

That final stretch was a real nailbiter! At least it makes for a fun watch, I din't know how that felt to you, did you enjoy yourself there, Pumpkin Man?

[@ZenSolipsist]

You know this level has always been cemented in my mind as a challenging level 💯 I think your skill is just so insane that this feels like nothing 🍿

[@JoeyRavn]

I live to see Decino tackle The Living End (M29) on Nightmare. That was the bane of my existance when going for the DOOM II Platinum on PS4. It took me months to get that single, particularly good run that managed to get me to the end of the level. And then I had to beat the rest of the levels! But they were "relatively" easy compared to M29. Only 20 more days to see Decino absolutely put me to shame! :P

[@sandmanxo]

I played this map just before I watched on uv, and died 3 times and took me 35 minutes to finish. I kept running out of ammo mainly due to pain elementals. This looks insane on nightmare, good video.

[@sjeanmacleod]

We all love you so much Decino. You brighten each and every day you drop any of your fantastic content. I'll sing your praises for all ages.❤

[@xX_Lol6_Xx]

Nice run, good to see Peter's legacy living on :-) Good luck with Map 10 👍

[@mikemikus7770]

I pressed the like 3 times man, just to reward you well for that clutch "almost-no-almost-yes-almost no (i wanna grab the moment to send irony medals for those last two mancubies)-boom" moment :P

[@RatoCavernaBR]

I never do pistol start and every time I play this level in UV I end up without ammo, you killed 100+ beyond the normal amount and still finished the level with plenty of ammunition. You're the doom master.

[@Moleoflands]

Those shotgunners dropping 8 shots per death really help out

[@Kingdramana]

It's a pretty crazy map regardless! I can see your HP going down down! Pretty fun top watch

[@eldandraken4850]

what is this!? i have no notion of this map! holy sheet! also. superb comeback at the end!

[@jonscottiegrippin]

That room with the lifts looks brutal with all of the respawning.

[@DaVIDmannnnnnnnn]

i really like the keyboard sounds in the background for no reason the gameplay is very nice too

[@camilaascencio9855]

Decino you're crazy! I've been watching your channel since BMD mentioned it on his. Greetings from Chile!

[@ITRIEDEL]

Decino, I genuinely look forward to these episodes after a long day of work.

[@odstagent1070]

6:50 When the credit card declines but you still get your delivery days later 10:30 proof that decino is the main character: Grabbing the BFG at the very end was clever, getting it just at the start it's much more risky and not that rewarding considering there's rockets in the map (except they're not effective in the hard room)

[@curtisnewman979]

Now the end of the video. That was sick my guy❤

[@TheBrassDancer]

If I recall correctly, the large lift in the outdoor area leading to the BFG secret is tagged as being able to activate if projectiles pass its linedefs. Seems a very overlooked mechanic, and would love to see it used more.

[@decino]

It's the Doom II exclusive projectiles (Manc fireballs) causing it due to an oversight in the code.

[@The1RandomFool]

In my Doom 2 nightmare playthrough I used GZDoom, and the lost soul limit was removed. It certainly made this map interesting.

[@CirclesandSounds]

Virtuosity. Pure DooM virtuosity. *chef’s kiss*

[@megasphere308]

Congrats for inventing this new category : 100% kills, items, secrets and backtracking 🤣 Yes, I think this level gets really hard when you try to play it fast. You could afford to play it rather slowly and safely, which is not possible in E4M6 for example. So I'd say that it's mostly the speed that makes the Pit difficult. The lifts rooms without the BFG are a bit awkward though. Anyway, well done and a pleasure to watch, as usual ;)

[@arcadeguy781]

Into Sandy's city, we go! Great video!!!

[@ericsbuds]

great run! down to the wire with all those enemies 😵‍💫 map 10 will be a breeze for you i can see it now first try

[@two_close]

decino is the man

[@NestakaSwan]

Decino: Im gonna make it Also decino: Immediately gets juicy mancubus fireballs in the face

[@vitalyandreyev]

This map's soundtrack is really catchy

[@chriswaudby1084]

Greetings man gotta say I'm proper enjoying this series every time the notification pops up for your video I do a little skip inside.😊

[@Drummafolife]

The million lifts room is a pain in the arse on UV, I can't even imagine doing it on nightmare. GJ decino

[@wymanrtaylor]

I remember playing this level as a boy and being mesmerized by “Into Sandy’s City.” And then the music for “Refueling Base” right after this scared the crap out of me.

[@boomershooterlegend]

Interesting route. For me this is one of hardest maps on Doom II for NM100S. I'll try your route someday. 6:49 generally I go to this teleporter with a BFG shot to destroy all the Lost Souls at the same time (yeah, I grab the BFG on Island zone before to go to this run), and I never knew about this mega armor trick too

[@plankera]

Amazing run as always Decino. Love it when you make comebacks like that.

[@LuisScharf]

This stage rocks

[@YuriyKrivosheyev]

Nice run, good route! Thx!

[@RussianSevereWeatherVideos]

That exit switch exclamation sound made my day!

[@zokum]

It might be one of those maps where a slow and steady run isn't that hard, but faster routes become a lot harder. Map04 has more or less only one route. Apart from the exit jump, there's not a whole lot of trickery to do either.

[@Mr-Foad]

I wanted to quit this map so bad... but the great music kept me going !

[@Fahrvernuggen]

Great run. Awesome how you skipped all those chaingunners in that soom with the rocket launcher and supercharge.

[@MrUnl33t]

This Nightmare series made me understand something: maps in Doom 2 so much better than in Doom 1. Doom 1 maps for the most part either 3 room connected by a single corridor or a labyrinth where everything looks the same and there are dogshit crushers and bollocs inescapable pits.

[@onpsxmember]

There is lots of inescapable Doom 2 pits. I like that it mostly lacks the ultra tight tunnels that lead to getting stuck on enemies.

[@fuzzix]

That was crazy! Very smooth - you make it look easy, but we know it's anything but 😁

[@rattlehead1003]

10:03. That flashing sign always reminds me of WCW Nitro as a kid. Nice job, Decino. You make me wish I was 20 years younger.... and a woman.

[@firecraft1324]

Everybody gangsta till Into Sandy's City starts playing

[@Maggerama]

This level invades my dreams more often than all the rest for some reason.

[@СергейМисюк-ж1к]

Pit... I'm pretty sure that it is not just a pit, but blast pit. We're in starport after all. Good thing that nothing grows out of all that nukage.

[@onpsxmember]

Damn, I saw that rocket jump and thought I want do a pistol start. Can't wait to open the wrong doors at the wrong moment. Additional handicap: controller. Very entertaining run.

[@imitatsiya]

decino: "It's over...." also decino: "We're so back"

[@XyrxesTube]

Wow you became such a Master! 👍

[@thatwhichfell4979]

Very nice save! Thought you were gone when that mancubus hit you at the end.

[@davidakiva7963]

Yay a 10min plus episode 🎉

[@iguana9173]

I’m 100% sure that most of the later levels will be longer than 10 minutes definitely.

[@MrDopeKeen]

I was screaming at you for not grabbing that backpack!

[@TheRaker1000]

love the ongoing narration, that's a thing missing from lots of ppls vids

[@rorybninetythree]

I wonder if ID software went to the effort of testing their Doom II maps on Nightmare... in a way it kind of makes it more interesting knowing they didn't to make the gameplay adaptation feel more satisfying to conquer

[@Fahrvernuggen]

It's amazing how much it changes some levels.

[@tornado100able]

@@Fahrvernuggen And how they get better!

[@OmegaTyrant]

Romero has outright admitted Nightmare wasn't playtested and that he wouldn't be able to beat Doom 1 + 2 on Nightmare.

[@Sh0tgunJust1ce]

4:11 Good meme potential.

[@reptongeek]

4:20 I concur this is a HORRIBLE room. Getting 100% items as well can sometimes be a pain if you walk too far and get teleported

[@Garde538]

Sweet map and well played 💪

[@DarkQuill]

You're not alone, the last 3 or 4 times I've played this I've been missing the Yellow Key for whatever reason. Will clear out the room fully, but will forget the key until I try and open the yellow door. No idea why. Good comeback though, very clutch.

[@Spectans1]

I was screaming when you missed that room with backpack. Other than that, a really good run.

[@Ant-iy7jt]

Can't wait for the TNT Nightmare playthrough!

[@Andy_Paluzzi]

1st attempt?! And you forgot items in the end and still made it?! Jeez xD I guess you really demonstrated that (on some levels) there's no need to rush on Nightmare, if you are not speedrunning of course. You took your time and systematically crushed this level.

[@Lambda3141]

Even though I knew it was a successful run, that Mancubus fireball to the face right at the end made me nervous!

[@brandonschwertley2723]

I'm surprised/impressed there were no outtakes with this one, lots of fighting in this one.

[@rintakumpu]

That was a crazy recovery!

[@ZeroMH]

That last Mancubus almost screws the whole run tho, but still! What a great comeback

[@TheJadeknight7]

That was a sick last segment.

[@pausmth]

Well done Mr. Pumpkin man! 👏