Why Self Taught Programmers Fail or Quit When Learning How To Code

[@starskyhutch6011]

I'm a self-taught coder who managed to land a job (and then two others afterwards) after about 9 months of intense self-study, The BIGGEST thing that I've found is to ALWAYS have a good attitude and to not get discouraged when you don't know something. Take a break for 20 minutes, walk away, then come back. 90% of the time that will help the answers come or help in your understanding if you get stuck. Also be humble and teachable when you reach out for help. I went from zero coding experience to having automation jobs within a year so if I can do it, anyone can. Stay the course and chip up!

[@fredi1505]

How much did you know when you landed a job?

[@starskyhutch6011]

@@fredi1505 I only knew basic JavaScript and HTML and CSS. My first job was automation using Protractor and I had NO CLUE what to expect. I came from the mortgage industry, and this was at a company that made mortgage origination software, so I was hired because no one there knew anything about the loan origination process. It took about 4 months for most everything to "click" and for me to really start being productive and confident.

[@fredi1505]

@@starskyhutch6011 Do you think knowing HTML, CSS, Javascript, ReactJS, Axios is enough to land a job?

[@starskyhutch6011]

@@fredi1505 since you know React as well, I think it would be a little easier, The main thing I have found is to be humble and teachable and approachable in interviews...you may not know as much as other developers or have as much experience, but if you don't have the shit-eating, superior attitude that I've personally witnessed from some more experienced devs, they will pick you every time. Good luck man, sounds like you are good to go especially since you've learned React, too.

[@VelP3]

im a 28 year old active duty soldier, who just started learning how to code about a month ago who intends to get a job as a programmer after I retire from the military. (16 years left😅) I often wonder how ill look as a 43 year old software developer, whether id fit in, would it be better if I was freelance for a company in a field working with a bunch of people half my age, . on top of the technically always on call status that im in being in the military, tending to my husband duties etc. but seeing people give their testimony and be in my age bracket and understand how it feels to be unsure of how good you are or could be is really motivating, and keeps me from falling off.

[@edinkciku6449]

And now a software developer... Johnny Sins is truly something special. Seriously though, your content is great, keep Up :)

[@ArSaSixNine]

xD idiot! I thought: OH SHIT! So that's why he looks familiar! Got me there! I went to check the user name

[@paypalmymoneydfs]

Doctor, coder, pornstar, entrepreneur. #Goals

[@rickmudslopp5484]

@@paypalmymoneydfs truly an inspiration

[@tico-k9y]

Legend 😂

[@achiradissanayake3580]

@Load Legends says that every good developer had Googled the name 'Johny Sins' at least once... So don't be worried or embarrassed coz Now you are officially qualified to become one...!!

[@realchrishawkes]

I've worked with many college grads who quit as well.

[@remix2die4]

make a video about that !

[@DorianDevelops]

This stuff is hard and it's crazy how many people pick it up and quit. Thanks for stopping by and checking out my video by the way. It's really cool to see a bigger channel in the comments.

[@MarissaGamble]

@@DorianDevelops great video and perspective. can I be part of that group?

[@raymeester7883]

Wow! The Chris Hawkes is here ! ?

[@mikereiss4216]

It's because they didn'tl ike being bald after ripping all the hair out of their heads.

[@smoove5506]

The best way to learn is reading other people's code and reverse engineering scripts. Modify code to how it suites your needs while you learn. You see your results faster and become way more comfortable with programming concepts and way more confident in your self. Stick to one primary language. Once you master or at least comfortable enough to solve your own problems with that language 97% of the time you will easily be able to learn any other language because it's all the same concepts with different syntax. From then add build smaller projects by yourself and work your way up. Don't go from 0 to 100.

[@LeifLiddy]

This ^. Deconstructing other people's code helped me immensely. Can't recommend that enough.

[@Adventures07]

Thanks for the advice.

[@akira7436]

Where would I be able to find other peoples code and reverse engineering scripts? Are there specific websites for this?

[@Adventures07]

@@akira7436 Any website. Do you know how to see the code?

[@akira7436]

@@Adventures07 No, I don't think I've gotten that far yet. Is it a simple process to see the codes?

[@ranjanmaithani6263]

When i first started my job for 3 months i was on constant diliema on quitting my job. As i was not confident. But i kept on grinding wondering they will fire me but here i am 3 years as software developer.

[@tsetsoangelov6455]

gg wp :)

[@CodingAfterThirty]

Had the same experience. Was really stressful. Basically I would show up to work thinking today is the day. The day I will get fired. But eventually things to slowly start make sense unroll they don’t anymore. And the process repeats.

[@ranjanmaithani6263]

@Rohit S it will go away eventually and you will laugh while thinking about it.

[@ranjanmaithani6263]

@Rohit S keep grinding. Hard work pays off

[@ranjanmaithani6263]

@Rohit S one question just out of curiosity. Are you dec-jan born?

[@DaUloi]

25 years entirely self-taught. Will be retiring to Thailand shortly at the age of 50. OA visa in process. My only regret is having worked for companies so often making them money and not more for myself.

[@amateruss]

Start your own small business when you retire my guy. Starting it small and scaling it up is much more fun than having it already big and stable.

[@DaUloi]

@@amateruss started day trading. Can't work in Thailand, it's illegal. But nothing illegal about having short term investments.

[@amateruss]

@@DaUloi Nice. Have you tried trading crypto as well?

[@DaUloi]

@@amateruss made $500 on BTC this week. Then again it's easy to do that in the current market, I have no illusion about my skill. I mostly trade it on the weekends when I'm bored.

[@DaUloi]

Might also play around with machine learning and make myself a trading bot. I don't know a ton about it, but I'm ready to learn.

[@PorthoGamesBR]

Just a tip for all young devs: It is hard to study the things they ask for a job, because most of this things you wont use on your own projects since they are meant to a corporate level system. So, to study them, find some freelancer jobs and create the software asked on the job without applying (or maybe apply if you feel confident).

[@FrocketGaming]

One thing I learned that really helped me was this: Imposter syndrome is just ego, you're spending time thinking that other people are thinking about you and whether you belong or not but in reality... most people are too busy thinking about themselves, not about you. When I learned to get past my ego, my imposter syndrome went away and I stopped torturing myself.

[@baw5xc333]

Eh. Not necessarily true. If you don’t know your shit, people in your office *will* badmouth you behind your back, and in the worst case scenario, you could be let go. I understand imposter syndrome is something almost everyone suffers from, but some of those suffer from it because they are, in fact, “imposters”.

[@FrocketGaming]

@@baw5xc333 yes there is always this as a potential but everything basically has another side that could be dwelled upon. I find it more useful to come to terms with it in some way and move forward.

[@razingcanez717]

That's a healthy thought process! Thanks!

[@eealliance5997]

I disagree with this. Imposter syndrome has nothing to do with thinking that people think about you.

[@FrocketGaming]

@@eealliance5997 Why don't you elaborate on what you think it is then?

[@pinkdiscomosh2766]

Have been a self-taught dev since June of 2016. I hit my first plateau last year (2021). Just landed a stable job at a big company and got comfortable and just wasn’t making an upward trajectory anymore. In December 2021, my wife and I adopted a baby girl and my drive to keep pushing just rushed right back. I’m no longer just keeping my wife and I afloat, but I have this girls future to prepare for and I have zero room to slack. No doubt I’ll hit another plateau someday. I hear that it’s a cycle type thing, but I’m thankful that the fire is back and I’m making big strides just in the last two months. Keep at it ya’ll and find the reasons why you want to keep going. I found mine. I hope you find yours.

[@asharshaikh6874]

Thanks for such good words

[@0x007A]

There is a difference between the activity of programming and the job role as a software developer or web developer. I think one of the hurdles today's beginners face is the desire to learn everything at the outset; this is not possible due to a myriad of reasons. A slow and steady pace starting with the basics and building on the foundation over time will be less frustrating and more rewarding whether your goal is to use these skills and knowledge as a hobby or a career. If you are not having fun and you cannot see yourself programming as a hobby, maybe a career as a software developer or full stack web developer is not for you. Stop watching tutorial videos on KZbin and start building your own projects, small projects that you can complete in a weekend at first, then in a week, and eventually in a month or beyond. Remember you can create applications not just websites or smartphone apps, and some of those applications can run at the command prompt without any GUI interface.

[@stevewankou209]

such a great comment. you make my day as a computer beginner

[@mrheylow7892]

Do you believe someone can become a self taught pro in programming by reading books and watching KZbin daily for two years? Beginning with how computers and programming languages were invented all the way up to the current computer technology of today. Can someone self teach themself to work with the best companies in the industry or self teach themselves to start a company that competes with the best companies in the industry? Without ever paying for any type of boot camps or universities?

[@lemonscenic6207]

@@mrheylow7892 Hi there! I’m starting college soon but I wanted to let you know that you can! For me I need to have an actual problem set up and don’t like to only read and videos help! But I learned from youtube videos, lectures(online: CS50 harvard lecture is free) and my favorite is freecodebootcamp!! I’m learning HTML currently! I definitely recommend that website for learning to code!

[@frog6054]

But if I stopped watching tutorial videos then I don't know how to do anything lol

[@0x007A]

@@frog6054 it is a delicate balance only superseded by reading. Sadly, our attention spans have decreased significantly since KZbin arrived so reading seems like torture to some people. Somewhere there is a happy middle ground.

[@JFizzzzzzzz]

Dude, you just said everything I'm going through! I haven't even touched my code in 3 months and it makes me feel even worse. Even tried to find Facebook friends that code and nobody. It makes it 100% harder doing it alone but you're right. I have to just push through eventhough I feel like a headless chicken. I really appreciate the video!

[@DorianDevelops]

Try to check out some code related discord servers. People are chatting on mine all the time and there's others out there where people help each other and collaborate all the time. Good luck!

[@2genes585]

so, how is it going?

[@chrislife1101]

How's ur coding journey man, wanna link on discord? I haven't touched coding in 2 months either...watching these videos for motivation

[@bossmane4102]

how do we do this?

[@Cathiina]

Hey, I am conpletely new to coding, shall we exchange discord IDs, the coder? :)

[@vipnirala]

Man, your facial expressions tells that everything you said in this video, all came out from your heart.

[@rudya.hernandez7238]

Associates in CS, self-taught web dev, BS in software dev recently and still doubt! Shake it off, always learning, keep pushing through obstacles, surround yourself with better devs, and trust the process. Keep the faith! Great advice.

[@jimminent2]

Thanks for your comment, man! I needed to read this!

[@kamertonaudiophileplayer847]

I'm also a self-taught software engineer. I agree, it is hard, but doable.

[@keremaydn5097]

Any advice for newbies? I am learning Python

[@kamertonaudiophileplayer847]

@@keremaydn5097 Write some useful app for yourself and submit it on GitHub. It helped me as learning programming as passing an interview.

[@keremaydn5097]

@@kamertonaudiophileplayer847 ty

[@tauheedashraf8720]

What about degrees or certifications?

[@kamertonaudiophileplayer847]

@@tauheedashraf8720 As a proof you can do some systematic work? Of course.

[@hm-zg3ee]

"The process is hard when you don't know the process" I felt it bro

[@StartupAnalytics]

It gets easier when you know exactly what needs to be done! Though in the long run, the job requires a lot of figuring out how to go about doing things

[@agdevoq]

Self-taught programmer since I was a kid. I regret having wasted so much time at university. I was ready to work by age 16 (advanced c++, low level 3d programming). 38 years old as I write, quite successful career.

[@agdevoq]

I'm of a different opinion. I only found 4 university courses (out of 39) which actually taught me something useful that I didn't already know. And they were easy to self-study for me at that point. Part of my job now involves recruiting, and I find much more valuable "x years spent in big company xyz" on a resume, rather than the same amount of years spent at university. After you land your first job, your degree becomes pretty much irrelevant. As for the networking, professional networking is much more powerful than university networking. Please, ABSOLUTELY GO to university if you think you still have much to learn. But if you're already up on your feet, then don't waste time and money on it.

[@OTB2002]

@Doppelganger D you can do all that within university uno

[@AlessandroBottoni]

"Regular", "professional" and "successful" programmers usually work in a team with other programmers, and usually work only on a small part of a large codebase. These two elements can easily explain why "professional" programmers "succeed" while "self-taught" often fail. More in detail: when you grab your first job with a technical diploma or a university degree, you are usually asked to join an already working team and some "senior" programmer will take care of you. From that moment on, you just cannot give up. It is a totally different experience than trying to do something by yourself like many self-taught programmers are forced to do just to demonstrate they are able to do so.

[@v8powa466]

But then there's the self taught who never had help and didn't give up. Now I build a corporations Android app

[@danieltkach2330]

Spot on @Alessandro.

[@unpatitoRU]

@@v8powa466 that 'never give up' attitude is what we should look for too

[@v8powa466]

@@unpatitoRU Executives and HR personnel in corporations are mostly incompetent and were handed their jobs, so most likely you would have no idea of how to look for that. Executives are chosen based on if they will push the propaganda given to all corporations ( all corporations spewed the same propaganda garbage this last couple years). And HR personnel are picked if they are liberal enough and act out in social justice type of mindsets which destroy free thinkers. The Trans and "woman first" attitude destroys any type of productive team. How many teams of women do you see building roads, schools, power lines or building anything of that matter?

[@PetyrC90]

What a lot of BS you said there. Every programmer was alone and self taught before Landing the first job. You talk like if the guy is learning how to code in the first job Everyone is self taught in this community

[@kmoov90]

I've met way more college grads who quit compared to those who self-taught themselves so.....

[@AIRRAZOR44]

I'd argue that every softwear engineer/dev is self taught. It's really up to you to discipline, study, practice, make many mistakes and learn from them. University, bootcam, courses can only take you so far. They're just stepping stones as the learning, refining never ends until you retire.

[@sallylauper8222]

Coders never retire- they just run out of memory.

[@madam497]

Truth. I failed ~2 months in. My focus was all over the place. That was over a year ago. Its been 2 1/2 months since I started learning again. I canceled my ice fishing season this year to focus on me.

[@manasmahanand732]

You can do it! I am self taught, I was able to learn it all by myself. You can do it too! This is what I kept in mind whenever I got through difficult parts: "ofcourse it's hard, why would teaching a piece of plastic with a bit of metal in it be easy?". It is hard, but it is possible to make it happen.

[@K_James95]

I had reached a point where I felt depressed, everything seemed hard to grasp, furthermore I recently applied for internship in two organizations and damn I was rejected, It really tore me apart, but after watching this video and comments below, I really felt motivated and the urge to keep the fire burning just came back. Thanks everyone.

[@keeponkeepingon2672]

where you from

[@K_James95]

@@keeponkeepingon2672 Kenya

[@gigahertz_1911]

How is it going now?

[@noobdestroyer9364]

He quit coding sadly

[@K_James95]

@@gigahertz_1911 still strong

[@AngelerFils]

This is exactly what I needed to hear.

[@nandansingh6117]

I this is the is the same problem with every discipline. There is a point where our fields of choice demands a lot of time and attention. Since most people choose a field as a means to an end, they choose another when they find it difficult.

[@CodingAfterThirty]

I am still in the trenches working through, suffering the grind. That’s exactly what it is, don’t let the hype tell you otherwise. I started studying early on, but kept giving up. It was not until I turned 35 that I finally started to take coding more seriously. It took me 4 years to get my job. I was finally hired at 39. Not saying that this is how long it would take you. But it requires huge effort on your part to become successful. Basically embrace the struggle. Not to many channels tell the real side of learning to code. Great video.

[@nomooon]

Yours is truly inspirational. Most self taught programmers who got jobs are young, because of the ageism in tech industry, many self taught programmers who are older have a harder time to get a job.

[@oceejekwam6829]

I appreciate your message, thank you. I have tried multiple times before, self- doubt, being scammed a couple of times led to a loss of faith in the process. I recently re-started this goal. Now I know what to expect, I have lowered my expectations and I am happy to continue. Thanks again for sharing.

[@BLA1Z]

I am a 12 yr old self taught proggrammer and I never give up.

[@prooxy1234]

This past year I finally had a moment with my partner where I was able to get them to see "the struggle" because the outsiders looking in don't really get it. I've taught her enough of development and she's taught her self enough to where she was able to follow into my madness on that special day, when she was mad at me for being negative and stressed(which is often) I just finished creating some logic for my Game, logic that I have rewrote many times over months.. but it was a great example to her about how those few months lead up to "The Mountain". At first you are just floating in a boat, no idea where to begin but you know you want land.. and then you see it.. so you start heading toward, excited and full of hope. You land on the beach looking up and down the coast which looks limitless and then peer into the dark dense jungle in front of you, all you see is that tree line, and you know you have to go in there, don't know what to expect or anything.. but you go.. Now in the jungle you feel the burn, every time you begin to feel like you are on the right path you realize you are just more lost, you see millions of different things, ways, styles, good and bad, and you can only ever see 10 feet in front of you.. till.. you hit that tree line. You fall to the ground feeling so relived! Catch your breath even look back with some triumph and bravado.. which quickly fades.. cause now you are aware. In front of you isnt a tree line, its the entirety of a mountain you know just a bit more what it takes so you can see all its majesty and hardship and the worst part is.. you know you have absolutely no idea what is gonna be on the other side of that peak.. I still remember her face when I finished breaking down those three months and showing her what I had from 3 long hard months and the realization in her eyes that just screams "man you got a long way to go" Sorry for the ramble. You talking in the middle made me think of my Mountain analogy thought id share..

[@miguellazaro9265]

I feel this. I've been studying programming almost 2 years now. it really is challenging and I cant emphasize on your point that this is a very lonely road. It is even more lonely that you are the only programmer in a group and people cannot understand the technicality of your program. Having to explain to them something that you are also learning. Thanks for this video. It kinda gave me confidence that I am not in this alone.

[@blissboxx]

Key takeaways: trust yourself, persevere and connect with others. I really needed this video today, thank you!

[@vangmvp07]

I just started coding 3 weeks ago and it’s no joke, following tutorial is easy but as soon as I try to code on my own, I don’t have clue how haha....but I won’t give up, thanks inspiring me to keep going

[@Poleeze1]

Same here. Just a few weeks ago. Couldn’t get into the bootcamp because they were at max capacity. I did their 5 day coding challenge succesfully. So I started watching a few youtube crash programs on html and css. I decided last week to build the ‘Thank you’ page of the bootcamp company themselves lol. So every part of the page I want to build, I would youtube how to do it. It’s been 2days and almost done with it now. Yes, I have experienced frustrating moments like the logo not showing with my href link. Eventually sorted it. Now I’m blocked again at the header/nav. So I’m just doing the other parts and will come back to it. Plan on building 10 pages on html and css alone before moving unto java script

[@fal8202]

@@Poleeze1 your method is a good example for the self-taughts ; just roll up them sleeves and keep persisting on the keyboard (with Google as your helper).

[@LuisMedina-yq5fd]

Think up anything no matter how weird. Make a list of what you want it to be able to do and start coding using only your knowledge & stackoverflow/Google. Try leetcode & project Euler problems.

[@Poleeze1]

Is anyone here on stackoverflow? I’m trying to ask a question but it keeps highlighting it as issues with question in the body (regarding the codes). I have tried to resolve the issues but no way.

[@incognito7350]

@@Poleeze1 What's the issue? Resolved I suppose as it's 11 months already.

[@salymakhmedov2196]

At it for almost 2 years now. Started applying for jobs this February and then the pandemic hit. I had a hard time with recruiters, when they would hear that I had no real projects their tone of voice would change. So I started freelancing, I'm on my second project now, once I do another project I will start applying again. Just got to keep going.

[@tylansparks4442]

How'd it go?

[@ChristianFure]

if you start coding be prepared to be humbled quickly😂

[@ArSaSixNine]

NO SHIT It's hard!

[@rudya.hernandez7238]

Humbled every day

[@jakerhodes2105]

God I’m 13 and wanted learn early for college. Nope, nope, nope

[@kyle6754]

I literally taught myself using courses on Udemy. After that I was just looking things up on mdn cause once you have a good foundation, you can implement news things quickly

[@blackpsalmmusic9180]

Dude as a 24 year old I’ve circled back on every single thing I did as a 13 year old and go “if only I never put this down” Just do it. At 13 you can afford to do something you end up not liking after a few years. I learned to fix cars and I’m getting into development now rather than using my trade because I realized it’s not my work passion, just a useful skill that makes me unique.

[@DonwanNaemoneur]

Started coding 5 months ago, aside from a 2 week hiatus, everyday for 3-5 hrs.. I've come a long way! Now that I know a few things, I keep learning that I hardly know anything lol, but I won't stop, and my goal is to start making some money in the next month or so. I'm currently building a site for free, for a Swedish business owner, who I've made a deal with. He's going to point anyone who inquires about getting a site done, to me, give me some good ratings and feedback for future customers to see, (if I do a good job, which I am), and it's a portfolio peice. Anyway, that's where I'm at with it..

[@noirsupernova]

Sr. SE here with CS degree + 14 years of exp. One of the harsh realities of being in the IT industry is the pressure of learning a technology that you don't know but is required to use in your project. Especially if it's a big tech like AWS. In my 14 years, I've learned how to consume information quickly. I read official documentations and watch Pluralsight videos (PS is my go-to online learning because the content is targeted to professionals). You gotta have that GRIT to endure in this industry. It's not all roses and rainbows.

[@annecapongcol3759]

Thank you so much for this! What you said are all true and I have experienced all of it which is why I jumped from learning one skill to another for the past few years. My friends are even proud of me for building a few websites in WordPress but I still doubt myself. It's also very lonely because I'm a stay-at-home mom and I have no mentor or guidance or encouragement from anyone other than KZbin videos and podcasts. I'm now going back to what I wanted to do years ago which is to learn web development and I just got to stick to it this time until I make it. I'm in my early 40's, a mom of 2 girls, with household responsibilities and a small business with my husband. I'm doing my best to find time to learn how to code. I'm so glad to have found your channel. I've already watched some of your videos. Thank you and keep creating awesome videos! God bless!

[@Itz_me_JB]

Thanks for this I'm definitely a late bloomer as they say. Dropped out of high school, never had a plan in life but I started coding and its definitely something I can see myself doing but it is definitely overwhelming and I'm always doubting myself. I'm just glad to hear there's many other self taught programmers out there to help me stay motivated.

[@santhoshramesh2004]

I'm currently undergoing such a difficult phase,but this video helps me alot.

[@joelgallegos7740]

Me too! But dont give up brother, you got this! Dont listen to anyone or that little negative voice in your head either! Practice Practice Practice!

[@santhoshramesh2004]

@@joelgallegos7740 definitely brother ❤️ thanks for the support ❤️

[@MrKrusten]

This was such a helpful video. Hearing your own self doubts and fears be spoken out by someone else who went through the entire process is such a reliefe for some reason. Thank you

[@gavingreenhorn]

What you said about the honeymoon phase and plateaux and that you're usually alone with and desperately lack any feedback to what you're doing - that is all so true and relatable. It's great to know that it's alright to experience this and doesn't mean that you're doing something wrong and/or incapable of getting self-taught. Thank you!

[@chunky_sister]

You managed to capture every thought I’ve had about being an imposter. Every one. Thanks for this - I appreciate this video more than you know!

[@beardyben7848]

Self taught is such a difficult journey. Thanks for being real about it, sharing both the big challenges and the ways you have handled them. Your encouragement is really appreciated.

[@michaelfae]

This should be "why self taught ANYTHING", as it's something other fields can relate with. As a 3D artist who was literally on the verge of quitting, this video has helped outline several of the areas I should fix to get my career back on track. Thank you so much! I don't know how programming of all fields came into my feed but one thing is sure... I'm not quitting anymore.

[@qussaimohammad8785]

self thought guitarist Also

[@georgejetson9801]

Dev isn't for everyone, and that's Ok. I've seen many many people come and go over my 40 years in this. It's like weight loss, people want to know how someone lost 100 lbs, but what they really want to hear is something that is quick and low effort. Same when people ask me how I got to where I am. 99% just want to know how they can make 7 figures by next week. People who last as long as I have, are the ones with the patents, the ones who have worked on everyday things that everyone uses daily, without a thought. What we created is a legacy that has made people's lives easier. There are no shortcuts for that.

[@AmazingStoryDewd]

That's pretty much human nature. Nobody wants to do hard work. They want it easy. Yet becoming the best let alone compitent at something is never easy.

[@ng4logic]

Thats what people dont realize. In this career you really need to be passionate about it. There is no other way of doing programming job. And I really mean it. If you are not passionate, just leave now.

[@0x007A]

When I started to learn computer programming there was no publicly-accessible Internet but there were some books and magazines devoted to hobbyist programmers. Putting the knowledge from the books and magazines into practical use meant taking a project-based focus. As I ran into a roadblock it was an opportunity to develop my problem-solving skills which is a skill which has served me well all these years later. Perseverance is essential.

[@tina360]

Omg, I can so relate to this video, and I am glad KZbin recommend me to your video

[@dialman1111]

I do more scripting rather than 'programming' (as in software dev) in my career, but I can relate to the feelings of self-doubt and complexity that you mention. Problem-solving skills are essential, and so are tenacity and perseverance.

[@nielsenaaa]

+1, Aka Grit !

[@irinamicov]

Your videos are so relatable, I can’t even believe it! I started to learn Python for data analysis about 7 months ago, went through a series of courses and now as my honeymoon phase is over I feel completely lost. Even though I’m in a different field, your videos just keep popping up and I’m so grateful for it. This one in particular, says everything that I needed to hear. I might even start using it as part of my daily motivational routine. :)

[@oaabk]

so after one year, how are things with you?

[@frostsmaker8966]

None of that is the problem I had faced. The problem I had faced is that I have to lose the people I love. I have to sacrifice my feeling and completely alone. It is like a scientist who has to choose between a family or knowledge because the family didn't support him and just become a hindrance. Do you want to spend a lot of your time with your family or your coding? It is a big decision, and you are in a situation in which you cannot choose both.

[@cooleymike1]

Every so often i come back to this one video, and re-watch and re-watch and remind myself that doubt is normal and keep going - Thanks Dorian, this is an awesome video with a great overall message

[@icproductions648]

i really relate to the point you make where you say programming is a very lonely process. all of my mates in my computer science class at secondary school have 0 passion for programming so i can never really talk about projects ive made to irl friends or talk about the struggles. im hoping it gets better at university though.

[@mazepool2748]

I feel you man. I have a lot of CS major friends but none have passion for it.

[@icproductions648]

@@mazepool2748 yh. It sucks even more because i always hear about groups of friends coming together to complete and win hackathons. I cant do that tho since idk anyone else irl who has an interest in programming🙁

[@joesheble5458]

30 years ago, I took a job in tech support. In order to having to stop talking on the phone so much, I taught myself how to program, so I can fix bugs in the software I was supporting. And I've been professionally coding ever since.

[@thanos9704]

Yes, I will never give up

[@DorianDevelops]

That's the right attitude!

[@joelgallegos7740]

Hell ya! Keep on pushing!

[@SaifulIslam-xs9fx]

❤️

[@upcomingtech1091]

You are genuine person speaks directly the truth 🙏🙏🙏 Instead of sugar coating and trying to sell something You share the truth 🙏🙏

[@rossthemusicandguitarteacher]

I never give up. Full fledged software engineer now, and continue to teach music.

[@fatinafiqah.y938]

This is exactly what I need right now. I just finished taking some crash course in data science field last months and when I started to write my own projects after, I feel so lost and demotivated. Little did I know I just need to keep going and trust the process. Thank you so much Dorian for the spirit!

[@moonman8055]

I'm new to coding and it kicks me in the brain everyday. But that's why I love it.

[@DaBaldMan]

Me too bro, me too

[@VDMpeniel]

Forgetting things, feeling like nothing sticks enough to feel confident. It is hard.

[@MrRop-yp3wt]

Graduate or self taught, anyone can still quit

[@imqqmi]

Even devs on the job may still quit, junior, medior or senior, I've seen it happen. You just have to have a hunger for learning, keen eye for out of the box problem solving and being doggedly tenacious.

[@HummBul]

This is AMAZING advice that applies to any career path you choose. It’s not so much about whether you can or can’t do something... It’s about whether you’re willing to commit to a path and show up everyday , especially when things get difficult. Failure will weed out those who aren’t serious. But for those who are willing to stick it through and try and try again... Success is only a matter of time. Good stuff!

[@drawbettingtips1062]

I really appreciate this video for what it is...very honest and real.I agree perfectly with you...thanks for this helpful info

[@DorianDevelops]

Thanks for watching!

[@nazgullinux6601]

My first dev job was as a low-level IoT developer. I landed it by pulling this... {-1

[@TinyMaths]

Been on the coding learning curve for just about 7 months now. Tried last year for a couple of months and gave up when I got to JavaScript. But I was made redundant back in April this year and while I was looking for other work I decided to start again by going back to Js and building simple apps while re-freshing HTML and CSS. To be honest I said to myself that I would start attending meetups here in London UK after 3 months of learning, but I'm terrified to take the first jump, and I've no idea why. I keep putting the date back. Just this morning I found myself saying that I'll start meetups in January, but I think I'm delaying just as an excuse to not face the fear.

[@Ticoo0]

Hey bro, Really nice to hear that i'm not the only one that's terrified of that first step. How have things been going for you now? Hope you managed to find a job :)

[@marsellewalker739]

You are awesome bro, i love how you put it down. The truth you speak is for everyone but not everyone can handle the truth about their selfs. Thank you for the truth, it helps a great deal. Love your vibes

[@100Jim]

Google and stack overflow is your friend.

[@1improvement28]

Today I also felt the same as I was stuck in a 15 minutes DOM Project Video for more than 10 hours. It was really heart broking for me but now I feel good after watching your Video dude its really relatable for me. Thank You Thanks a lot man.

[@gdta1738]

The word learn to code is probally making alot of people fail you should learn to make things with code and get better at making things with code . Code is a tool not the end goal.

[@fal8202]

Excellent point ! having a clear objective as to what you intend to do with this tool is a great motivator.

[@amateruss]

I'm a CS grad and I'm stuck with "theoretical" coding and can't move forward into enterprise coding. I'm not sure if I am suited for this.

[@myrusEW]

I just want to say thank you for making this video. I'm only about halfway through, but each time you say something, I relate to it completely and it's all in the correct order. It gives me hope that since I had all the same struggles, and there's still about 7 minutes of footage left, that I must be approaching my goals, even if I can't see it.

[@gabrielfono844]

true thanks we are waiting for your support this night with codingphase announcement

[@DorianDevelops]

That's awesome! Thanks for the support!

[@Fr4nk4000]

I'm in my second year of high school studying IT (I think that's what it's called just whatever comes after elementary) and honestly the pace at which we are going is SO slow. I needed to start self learning to have a chance of becoming a good programmer which I hope to be one day. We're still only doing basic python at school, practicing basic things like loops, working with lists etc for 2 years now. I learned so much and much more than in school that it's insane. The only thing that school did for me was teach me the basics and gave me motivation. I'm still no programming genius, only working with python at the moment the most complicated things I've made were some games made with the pygame library, dipping my toes into machine learning and generally some more complicated scripts just for fun. It's still leagues above what I'll ever learn in this school. I guess what I wanted to say is that you can 100% learn on your own and maybe going to school, coding bootcamp etc might not be the best choice for you depending on what your options are where you live. You do need to learn how to learn if that makes sense. I'm planning on learning a second language very soon alongside continuing python which if it weren't for my personal effort wouldn't be the case at the moment. Just go for it and don't take breaks if not necessary because that's where you'll loose most of your time.

[@johnlea3597]

Thanks for being a light in the darkness.

[@AnalogGame]

I too have to give myself pep talk all the time, hearing you say all this really motivate me. Thank you. For the confident boost

[@axea4554]

I am that guy, and holy shit it was long and hard, and I still doing this and will keep doing

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

I peaked in my coding skills when I took Fortran in summer 1981 at local community college, ran a programmable calculator into the ground for Physical Chemistry 1983-1984 at college for my BChE Bachelor of Chemical Engineering degree, and took two semesters of C++, summer + fall, 2005, at the same community college. The more years I have put into struggling with coding, the less I know. I know less now after doing coding (I do only Python now) after 41 years of interacting with computers than I did when I took Fortran and C++ in school.

[@jonson856]

My father is a self-taught programmer. He is running his one-man company since 20 years now.

[@kensimba7868]

He's a smart man. Hoping to emulate him

[@jonson856]

@@kensimba7868 he asked me whether I wanna take over. I would reluctantly do it. 1st I am no good with customer service. I have no patience with people😂 2nd Its a hard job. You work 12+ hours a day, 365 days a year. No time for vacation. 3rd I cant program

[@maybeanonymous6846]

i am determined to continue on this rough journey. i have chosen this path, now i must follow it. if i am unable to, i would not know what to do, because i have not even considered failing. i shall not fail, i shall continue. i have no plan, i shall continue on this endless journey, learning more and more. if i am indeed unable to make it, i may have to consider the path of failure and choose something else; who knows? the world is weird.

[@lukefromtexas]

For me it was realizing being on a computer all day is the last thing I want to do with my life.

[@codeforest9027]

I remember when I was trying to learn how to code back in 2018. There was a vast ocean of knowledge but I didn't understand it. I tried a lot of programming languages, did a few courses. But none of that helped me. In December 2018, I started taking programming classes. I immediately improved. My tutor gave me advice, taught me how to make projects that I would be proud of. Unfortunately, after lockdown, I was unable to attend his classes. However, with the initial boost he gave me, I'm confident of what I want to do and what I should learn.

[@MedinaZyzz]

Honeymoon phase? What is that dude? Ever since I started learning it's been a highway to hell 😂. You've been saying this in past videos: trust the process. That's exactly what I've been doing since I started watching you. Thanks again for the advice Dorian!

[@hrldavidson]

🤣 I totally find myself in "Ever since I started learning it's been a highway to hell"

[@Classsed]

Self doubt is a big one, no matter how good you are it can always get you. Great video! keep it up mate 👍

[@VinsonTuscano]

THANKS FOR PROVIDING US THIS INFORMATION

[@DorianDevelops]

It's my pleasure, thank you for watching!

[@Lior621]

You literally outlined EXACTLY what I'm going through, literally every phase and phase. I can play this video to anyone I wanna tell my story to, and it'll save me the energy of speaking 😜😂

[@avibrarbrar]

WhiteHatJr: He is fetching data from the cloud. Now he has to wait for the sun to dry his data before he can use it.

[@amoghganjikunta4299]

LMAO

[@codeforest9027]

But that's ok because he will become Bill Gates by launching a spaceship, just like Wolf Gupta at 9 years old. Or was it 13?

[@josephgaviota]

Which explains why Oracle purchased Sun Microsystems.

[@avibrarbrar]

@@josephgaviota 🤣🤣

[@ricardofranco7419]

Self taught programmer here. Landed an entry software engineering role for Java development. It took about 2 years of job searching, applications, resume writing, and writing lots of code and putting it on my portfolio. It’s definitely not an easy road but it’s possible.

[@cmos905]

I'm starting to learn Java. I can kinda imagine how a portfolio would look like based on a front end language. But for Java i'm kinda lost, how does that look like? Sorry for my ignorance

[@personwholikesturtles2389]

First ot last, I dont really care. But videos that put a smile on my face like this are rare

[@DorianDevelops]

Thanks glad that I could make someone smile today 😁

[@InvestLarge]

Syntax error found at word[1]

[@guilhermevoltolini]

His videos are the only ones that really inspire me about following this career in my late 20's.

[@fernandodelatorre2425]

Great video and very helpful information. Congratulations on all your success and acquired knowledge!! Just wanted to share that I have been studying CSS, HTML and most recently finished Python basics. I have created some projects(through tutorials) and they came out pretty good. Was hoping to see if you have any tips for me as far as getting my foot in the door for a Junior SW Developer job or which path you would take if you were in my shoes. I am passionate about coding and really enjoy the outcome of writing and creating through coding. Thank you and continued success!

[@luqmandevops]

Thanks for the advice and I know it's from your deepest heart. I've been a self taught dev and faced all the scenario you went through. Just dont give up, you'll get there eventually.

[@Zubbee]

I want to start by saying: thank you so much for this video. It was refreshing hearing you say it's hard... I thought everyone else was wading through it all like sliding on ice. I've already experienced the honeymoon phase (you were spot on). I finished an 11hr video on HTML & CSS and (for the life of me) I couldn't write a code for my home page menu. I was saddened by it. Had to copy code from some site and used bootstrap for my first project (designed a birthday website for my wife). I started out wanting to become a backend guy (cause I like data) but been hearing that I should learn the front end first. I was feeling inferior being one who is learning programming not as early as I could have and not having a degree education but the things you've said have also helped. After my first project (the birthday site) I've kinda plateaued, wondering if I can go on (it's so hard) but I have to. I have someone guiding me though but so it's helping. There's a lot to say but thank you for this video. God bless

[@johnniles2120]

Super grateful i found your video at this point of my carrier. am a self taught programmer and i am on this constant loop of getting started and dropping off, i feel i make no progress at all. now i know better now not to give up. THANK YOU

[@punkisinthedetails1470]

I'm so convinced by the thumbnail I have already given up. jk great video.

[@DorianDevelops]

Hahaha 😂

[@daleryanaldover6545]

Building static websites was my hobby for 7 years, during those times I kept holding back myself from making it my career. But then it hit me, I really do love making websites so I left my call center job and now it's my 3rd year being a Web Developer. I never doubt myself so it didn't occured to me. Now I know why my colleague sometimes asks if he can do it. He's not a web developer but he wanted to become one and I am teaching him some of the basics know how and the industry in general. I told him not to enter web development yet as it's too early for him and he might only quit after he started. Told him to keep his job and try to learn at his own pace, just like what I did. I think if you do something without worrying of the outcome it can bring the best of you, and when you have enough confidence then break the wall and face it head on.

[@arctan2]

passion is everything

[@gregorywpower]

But having a plan/schedule/routine is what saves you when the passion dries up for a big.

[@arctan2]

@@gregorywpower ie self-discipline

[@matheuscalonga8860]

i've been studying for the past month and maaan, i'm feeling all of this. your words give me hope, thank you.

[@avibrarbrar]

One thing I would like to add : read the book “passionate programmer”

[@shreyasp3287]

Did you write it

[@DorianDevelops]

I'll have to check it out... Never heard of it.

[@themaroon3521]

You mean the pragmatic programmer

[@avibrarbrar]

@@shreyasp3287 nope, it’s by Chad Fowler

[@avibrarbrar]

@@themaroon3521 nope it’s - the passionate programmer, pragmatic programmer is also a good one

[@sebco8898]

Thanks man. Im really thankfull for catching up with this video. Im literally in the lonely road stage and your advice is giving me hope.

[@remix2die4]

You should have an interview with codingPhase

[@DorianDevelops]

I'll be on his channel tonight with a few other KZbinrs at 8pm est. Maybe once I get a better working relationship with him I'll ask him to come on my channel or maybe he'll have me on for a 1on1 on his!

[@remix2die4]

@@DorianDevelops Great! How much Javascript do you need to know to be efficient at work ? what are the main concepts do you use ? like http, react, json, git, algo....

[@johndeluca230]

Great videos. Subscribed. My two cents. There are two haves to programming. 1) Learn the language(s) 2) Think (problem solve) in a paradigm aligned with the language and its strengths. Both of these skills are developed in parallel and lacking either results in frustration and likely abandonment of your learning.

[@danpaul6774]

By 2024 all programmers will get a gift know as "CloudProgramy"...

[@ivanlasic5699]

whats that mean?

[@ConnoisseurOfExistence]

Very encouraging! I'm fine with everything else and I can stick around for the long run, not to mention that I don't find learning to code very hard (except of course that there's a lot to learn and you can never learn it all), but I have another huge problem - procrastination. I always feel that I'm not putting enough daily time into it. And I know many people will think that's entirely up to me, but I think there are some subconscious reasons about that... For example - right now I'm writing this comment and watching videos, instead of checking my email for my job applications, checking my Linkedin, or doing coding challenges and listening to my courses...

[@felipeschulz2485]

Hate those negative thumbnails, toxic clickbait

[@DorianDevelops]

Ugh I know, I'm sorry but if people don't click they don't watch and for some reason it works...

[@seangrogan3622]

I learned to be fluent in Russian back in the 80s in South Africa with no internet, a copy of Tolstoy and a second hand pocket dictionary. I felt like I was down a tunnel with no light. Somebody told me this was more difficult than coding, but I don't see it. Coding looks like nuclear science to me. But somehow the experience with Russian tells me that if I stick with the coding (even at 45 now) I will get there in the end.