Learning to code? Avoid these online courses and bootcamps!!

[@Dkain365]

I paid $10,000 for a local bootcamp (graduated in May of 2023) and it is honestly my biggest regret. Horrible experience, poor instructor, sub-par curriculum. We didn't even work on projects until the final 2 weeks of the bootcamp (it was a 6 month course). When it came to the SQL section of the bootcamp, our instructor told us to "work through the challenges on w3 schools" - I essentially paid $10k for an instructor to tell me to use a free website to learn... I've continued to learn on my own since graduation (still haven't had any luck finding a job, but I'm not giving up!). Sites such as Coursera, FreeCodeCamp, and KZbin have been far greater learning tools than my bootcamp ever was. To any aspiring developers, I highly recommend spending at least 6-12 months learning on your own via platforms like Coursera, Udemy, FreeCodeCamp, etc before ever signing up for a bootcamp.

[@Cloud_Strife27]

Thanks my friend. I’ve only been using freecodecamp & have been asking as many people as I could for credible boot camps. I appreciate your comment & honesty. I guess I’ll just have to continue to use freecodecamp to become a junior developer or may look into something else in the tech field

[@emmanuelameyaw9735]

😂😂

[@unuafeajiri9134]

@@Cloud_Strife27 consider odin's project as freecodecamp is kinda too hands-on

[@Jeedar_1]

Thank you bro✨

[@Dkain365]

@@unuafeajiri9134 I'll look into it!

[@futurefullstack]

I's so refreshing to see someone prioritise honesty/integrity over a quick buck.

[@TopStrikerMaverick]

He said he entertained partnering with them 😟

[@futurefullstack]

@@TopStrikerMaverick but then he didn't! Action speaks louder than words :)

[@CharlesMartel829]

Scammers often make their sites look scammy to weed out the troublemakers before they start asking questions.

[@YourRecoveryDealer]

Weed out the trouble makers? A customer is a customer though, its all money at the end of the day. That's all they care about. I could be misunderstanding you though, only a couple mins into the video.

[@CharlesMartel829]

@@YourRecoveryDealer By intentionally making your site look scammy you can avoid the more intelligent customers who might start asking questions and alert the authorities, which will hurt your business.

[@BigBaldAzureGuy]

Having been a trainer for some of the large training companies in the past, I completely agree with this assessment. Buyer beware. Always look to minimize your out of pocket expenses.

[@thecloudtechguy]

The way the these companies treat their instructors is just as bad. Just saying, and if there based out of a certain country you know your being "globalized".

[@BigBaldAzureGuy]

@thecloudtechguy having been one of those instructors who was treated badly, trust me I hear you. on top of that, for the most part, the large learning platforms are also either out of touch with their students or outdated in their courses. The only exceptions I can think of are Zerotomastery and KodeKloud.

[@alanzabailey2750]

Yooo Dorian, I really appreciate you putting out this information man. It's nice to have transparency and openness when it comes to making a choice of changing careers and how to go about doing so. I wished I watched I have could this video a year ago before entering a bootcamp, investing time into the bootcamp, just to still be searching for a job over the past year. People need to be made aware and realistic when it comes to these things.

[@Maccelerate]

God bless you, Dorian. Im sure your family is appreciative for having as honest and compassionate a father as you.

[@JS-zm5se]

Odin Project is GOAT

Imo I think Udemy is the best for learning coding in general

[@carvalho9021]

I was about to say that.. udemy is amazing (and cheap)

@@carvalho9021 yep you're absolutely right

[@BeastMode-oz8qc]

Yeah I’m using a full on boot camp on udemy right now and I’m learning a lot. Barely paid $50 for it

@@BeastMode-oz8qc if you're new on Udemy wait for sale that happen almost every week

[@vectorx2003]

Coursera as well

[@darkotaom7988]

One of the few honest influencers. Thank you Dorian for not faltering in honesty and dignity

[@QaHah]

Man, finally some one with intergrity !" Who's speaking the truth about these fake bootcamps.

[@FreedomChRI]

I did exactly what you advised to do started as a self though and changed my mind on many things along the way . Luckily didn’t buy any courses but was very close to . Thank you for helping people to make the right moves!

[@jaredvizzi8723]

I almost fell for Course Careers. I took the free “course” for each of the specializations they offer, Frontend, Backend, and Devops. I was really turned off by how much they talk about starting salaries and working remote etc. I definitely felt like they weren’t painting a realistic picture of how it is right now.

[@wownow6780]

I am glad there are still people like you out there who speak up and criticize those exploiting idiots who their only concern is to solely make money without reflecting upon the means to do so. Thank you for your honesty👍. The world needs more people like you.

[@Amankhan-cl1dq]

Here is what I did in order to get better at coding. Practice relentlessly, Yup you heard me right, you need to commit atleast 6 hours daily in your initial days of learning programming. You need to practice really hard. Solve leetcode problems, learn development, make small projects. Just code really hard for atleast 6 months. Even when you are not coding you should think about coding. That's the kind of commitment you need to put in your first 6 months of learning programming. After this make big projects. Projects which will actually impress recruiters. You need to make atleast 3 big fullstack projects. It can be anything web app, AI, mobile app, desktop app etc. Never stop learning. Never become tech agnostic. Do not stick to just one technology. Play with different tech stack, understand each and every aspect of software development in depth.

[@spyrex3988]

What bout a game without an engine just by using some rendering library

[@BeepBoop2221]

I've never used leetcode.

[@IffyEdem]

Course careers actually says that they can’t guarantee a job and no one can; I respect that

[@cecilselormamediku9560]

They did? Tim sounded really certain from the videos I watched

[@IffyEdem]

@@cecilselormamediku9560 well that’s Tim. Tim isn’t Course Careers. Tim is confident in HIS abilities and because of that he is confident in how his teaching abilities and knowledge and that anyone who applies it and practices has a chance of landing a job(well not sure about that in this awful economy with tech giants),

[@yusuf7376]

@Dorian, how about a follow-up video on some good resources to learn software development. Thanks for the great content!

[@PreCodeCamp]

It really depends on the individual. Do they need encouragement or hand-holding? I mean in some states you can be a lawyer without going to law school it's called "reading the law." So if you can get by self-taught with the resources out there and "read the code" yes you can do it. Some need colleges to help with their study and others may need information through the firehouse. Learning at College is probably more money than the $300 found on the site which felt expensive. But if you have no money then $300 is expensive.

[@jishnuvijayan1823]

Thank you so much for this information❤

[@Drenwickification]

Good video. I would like to mention something though to people in the uk specifically though, I went through a coding book camp that was very expensive (£8000 I think) but it was 100% funded by a government scheme. I believe the scheme is still available. So for people in the uk I would say to look into it. I don’t want to mention the boot camp I went through as it would seem like I’m promoting them but my experience was very good and they helped me greatly with finding a job. However, £8k would have been A LOT for me to pay without the government funding it for me. I could have probably done the same through self learning but I feel it would have been a lot more difficult and a longer process however still possible.

[@shukri2417]

Was it code institute? I applied for the fully funded scheme which they're starting in October. Im not sure whether to take it or not, whether theres any hidden fees? The reviews on reddit from people who've done it arent very good. Can i ask which bootcamp that was please?🙏

[@Drenwickification]

@@shukri2417 no it wasn’t. For me it was northcoders. And no there weren’t any hidden fees at all. I really didn’t pay anything. When I did it, it was mostly JavaScript / CSS / html. But the way it was structured was very good and I do feel I learnt a lot in a short time. You do a lot of code pairing and with different people each day and there are tutors on hand to help out all the time when you’re given tasks to do in between the ‘lectures’. And then they do help quite a lot to find a job for you after. I would say tho that these days the job market isn’t that great so could be difficult to find a job. But still, if you can do it for free I’d say why not. However you still need to have like 3 months free to do it. I actually took a leap at the time and quit my job to do it, but it’s still a bit of a risk if you can’t find a job quite quickly after the boot camp. So there’s that to consider depending on your situation. If you were to go ahead with northcoders, I’d check the curriculum to see what languages etc they’re doing these days and learn as much as you can about them using sites like freecodecamp and that way I think you’d get the most out of the boot camp by giving yourself a head start.

[@Drenwickification]

@@ep4782 huh I thought I replied but not sure if I never actually sent the comment or it was deleted or what. But the name of the one I did was northcoders. It was a 3 month course using mostly JavaScript / react with some html, css and sql as well. By the end you do a personal and group project that you can have on your GitHub to help you find employment. Also they do have a jobs board and help you find a job after it. My experience of it was positive but like I said I didn’t pay anything. I think it may be very difficult to get a job these days with what the market is like. But if it’s free then why not. However if you have a full time job it would prob still mean you’d have to resign to do a 3 month full time course, so that’s still a big risk for many people. If you wanted to do it I’d just check the curriculum to see if it’s still the same sort of tech stack, and get as good at them as you can before the boot camp to give yourself a head start. I found free code camp particularly useful but there are so many resources online to learn for free.

[@Drenwickification]

@@ep4782 it was n o r t h. C o d e r s. I commented twice but both times it seems to have been deleted…. Cba to type everything I said for a third time but just look into them. I don’t think it’s worth paying the £8k or whatever it is but for free it was great for me.

[@kenechukwu_akupue]

you just earned a subscriber

[@aaronlinton-chambers]

Thank you Dorian for being honest and decent.

[@brightokoro7073]

I agreee with you in pricing they are over charging

[@Jurmyhyle12]

It's seriously all a scam. You can learn anything for free at anytime. Bootcamps were a scam as well. The internet is now a scam den.

[@CoachCNY]

The Internet has ALWAYS been a scam den.

[@CodingPhase]

lol 😅 I’m not going to say names but some of these reach out to me… I’m like nope. You know the most legendary one was lambda lol you know the amount of people that come to my platform after lambda is crazy… I don’t know one person that went there n got a job

[@opencode1]

you are great brother.

[@JDMorris81]

Respect you for keepin it real, thanks bruh

[@junaidkhankhan4260]

I love that you are honest

[@Avenue_ad_Astra]

Thank you for making this video - it shows your integrity, which is worth so much more than money! Once it's gone, you can never get it back, but you can always make money in some other way. This is totally random, but with the gray t-shirt and background, I am reminded of The Picture of Dorian Gray, who sells his soul for eternal youth and beauty. The exact opposite of what you are doing here 😂 I just appreciate irony wherever I can find it I guess...

[@carloscorona009]

Thanks homie.

[@dhars_official]

Thoughts on a lot of the Harvard University courses? Their CS50 course specifically.

[@Maccelerate]

Great for dipping your feet into a lot of aspects of coding to see if it's something that would interest you. Very little practical coding skills to learn that you can't learn in better places though.

[@Chris-b4w8t]

I loved them and loved that they were free

[@LeonC0704]

Not gonna lie. Almost fell for coursecareers but I was broke

[@TopStrikerMaverick]

It seems like getting a job is out of the realm of possibility these days. Can you make a video of what self taught engineers can do to make a living, other than the job route? I know freelancing, but what about SaaS creation?

[@AymenRabeh-vo4uy]

Thanks for the advice

[@JB-wv8pb]

17:35 can we see any proof of that? Like you said "due diligence"

[@realitydesigners]

I’d trust this guy with my life

[@mathError4004]

we should invest money on Odin project if have to.

[@ritchybaptiste3398]

Can you make a video about the good and affordable courses and websites that we can learn to code?

[@buildervision7082]

You got to read books as a beginner. And if you were like me and you've been telling yourself that you prefer video learning to reading books, as far as web development and programming is concerned, videos do not go in depth in teaching you what you want to learn. It's a great start but won't do you alot of good long term. If you're stubborn and you still choose to learn through video, you have to get ready to be mediocre for the rest of your life and compete for jobs against people who read the books that you are avoiding. Long story short, READ BOOKS.

[@Jeedar_1]

Thanks bro, I like your channel, you have just saved me and my dream job.✨

[@Don_DeMarco]

I hate how much the scammy services are pushed. Promising to educate you and get you into the field while charging you thousands of dollars to do it. Like bro! I’m broke! I’m trying to survive and learn to code to make a better life!

[@hwapyongedouard]

freecodecamp + edx + coursera + scrimba the goat

[@commonsense215]

What do you think about these platforms associated with universities? Purdue

[@mudegi_arnold]

Honest truth.

[@JohnnyHopzxx]

What do yall think about bootcamps that cost thousands like Tech Elevator, Bloom Institute Of Technology Full Stack, Coding Dojo?

[@Chris-b4w8t]

I did thinkful and I regret it

[@gaga5330]

What books will you recomand for totally beginners into coding?next to the free websites you already told us.thx.I live in UK.

[@RSGEProductions]

Can you do a video showing resources of where to get the content for free or cheap ?

[@BeepBoop2221]

Wait is odin project different to odin school?

[@hoveringcow]

Right on spot, simililearn is crap , its like they read a really large book out on video

[@raslana2855]

What area are they bad at? The content or approach they learn?

[@hoveringcow]

The content , its not real world.

[@gokulnaththeboss08]

​@@raslana2855basically they are Indian scammers.even i am an Indian

[@aaronlinton-chambers]

The problem with boot camps is they are designed by people who are not developers or educators and the make unrealistic promises. The courses are not made or designed by people who understand how to make vocational educational websites. I would like to say that this issue is partially made by predatory individuals and organisations as well people who are eager to get into the technology world. I would also like to say the governments in the countries which these boot camps are being advertised should be regulated.

[@JimmyBrock]

No mention of Clever Programmer?

[@pocola.stones]

Who has tried the odin project its great fir beginners

[@mmak1824]

Course Careers IT course is legit and has many legit testimonials of people who have got a job after completing the courses....I agree the other 2 suck.

[@taihandy1589]

How do you feel about the tech sales one

[@Dee-zy2xv]

​same as. Course Careers IT ...the Tech Sales course highly praised as much if not more than the IT one

[@RedBugBoy]

What would be you recommend courses to take... Thanks

[@OluwajuwonloOWOJORI]

I think simpli learn manchine learning courses are good but I don't know that of software development.

[@nahidehsan41]

Data camp?

[@iavitor]

I use Scrimpa, best one at the moment.

[@claudiorodriguez8254]

Scrimpa gets referenced a lot by the Odin Project, solid choice there.

[@SkyrimBeast]

With all the dev type videos available on KZbin, I can't help but wonder why anyone would pay for bootcamps. My best guess is to be able to say "Yes potential employer, I attended this or that coding bootcamp". IMO, spending money on something that can be learned for free isn't practical.

[@jermainemyrn19]

I use coding with mosh. How do you feel about him?

[@Seekingtruth-mx3ur]

Have you tried his paid courses?

[@jermainemyrn19]

@Seekingtruth-mx3ur yes and they're taught in a digestible way. Good resource for sure

[@Seekingtruth-mx3ur]

@@jermainemyrn19 I'll check em out. I'm doing 100 devs right now. It's free on-line bootcamp.

[@vthwin]

It’s a good way to get started on a topic but doesn’t go in-depth.

[@saltech2024]

JavaScript King Channel

[@saltech2024]

Purdue University charges $1,300 for DevOps

[@mudegi_arnold]

You need security for your safety bro. 🎉🎉📌

[@nicolasdanek4225]

There's tons of these scam websites. 😒

[@adamek9750]

there so many free resources its stupid to pay for it

[@danieltrier7116]

Freecodecamp

[@TradingMindUnveiled]

Thank you for this video ... I personally use codecademy and I'm new to this industry... what do you think of Codecademy?

[@Alyssaj1236]

I'm new here but have you heard of Codecademy?

[@iboofer]

I use Codecademy and like it. If you want a Pro membership just subscribe and wait--they offer 50% or more off several times a year. I consider it to be a good way to learn several aspects of coding.

[@00177454419]

I've used them. I actually thought they're pretty good, but they're no magic bullet. They are a good way to quickly get up to speed in a specific skill, like javascript, python or the various libraries and frameworks associated with those languages. They're structured like freecodecamp, but IMHO, they are a lot more streamlined.

[@firstlast493]

14:17 Gorilla detected

[@pavanreddy1125]

😂😂😂

[@Pavfixers]

Udemy

[@superseninson2627]

Damn, I always see simplilearn on youtube lol.

[@thetest8777]

Same here lol, I'll give them digital marketing cause I don't know squat about it and learning it now Any suggestions will be appreciated

[@maxfrischdev]

But, in all honesty.. Is Brilliant THAT much better and THAT much more legit? 😅🤔 As that seems to be the GOTO sponsor for almost ALL tech or knowledge related YT channel these days..

[@QusaiAl-Ramadhani]

waste of money in my opinion

[@forhadrh]

I love people pay for these crap when information is free on this vast internet.

[@P0T0N]

im a student studying full stack development at Code Institute, which is considered one of the best, if not the best. And that costs all together 7 grand, you will be expecting to pay a hefty sum if you want a decent education. dont cheap out

[@Chris-b4w8t]

Definitely not true, I’ve learned more on my own than I did when I did an expensive bootcamp (thinkful). ZTM is insanely cheap and code the dream, per scholas, and 100 devs are all free and live/instructor led.

[@shukri2417]

Is it true they charge you extra if you dont finish the assignments on time? The reviews on reddit are pretty bad, im debating if i should take the fully funded program...

[@P0T0N]

@@shukri2417 i believe you get 3 tries at every assignment, it is true that there is a £50 fee for re submissions.

[@P0T0N]

@@Chris-b4w8t Code institute mains strengths is that they are very closely working with big tech companies like google, facebook, apple etc, 95% of all students that finish find a job at these high end establishments as this is the qualification all the employers look for

[@malcomgreen4747]

Hi Dorian one thing i dont like about your videos is when you talk, you stutter and the problem its not real stuttering which will be acceptable but yours its not real and it looks like you didn't notice that yet try to get rid of that habbit your channel will get a lot better