Is Genshin Impact's NEW Endgame Mode TOO Hard?

[@Doro44c]

I feel like people are very split on this game mode. IMO, its a game mode for people to play waaayyy later on, hence the name endgame. I think what would fix the whole "building characters i dont want to build" issue is allowing us to build any character any day of the week. Otherwise, i love this mode!

[@baguette_connoisseur]

This mode achieves the worst of both worlds, I think. IT is easy enough that veteran players can't really call it "endgame" because it's not very challenging, whereas newer players simply cannot even play it due to lack of characters.

[@domgk-rx5ih]

@@Doro44c i also believe the actual enemies and combat are gonna get way more difficult i don’t think they’d make enemies insanely challenging in the first cycle, i wasn’t playing in 1.0 but ive had people tell me early abyss floors were insanely easy, so my guess is they’ll increase enemy difficulty too, plus just wait until a cycle is restricted to something like geo dendro anemo😭that’ll be plenty challenging on its own lol

[@HenIsHuman]

@@Doro44c Agree 100%, I do not understand this idea I keep hearing of “it’s bad for new players” when clearly, that’s not the point of the game mode. I think it’s a great step in the right direction.

[@celestesstars]

IMO, this argument doesn't make sense? Being able to build any character any day of the week doesn't fix the fact that not everyone likes every character. For me, I only like a couple electro, pyro, and anemo characters. Because of that, I had to use underbuilt characters that I don't like. For example, I don't like how Arlecchino plays. This game mode forces you to play her. Yes, I have other DPS's to use, but I only have so many that fit the requirements. The whole point of the game is to play/pull characters you like, but this game mode doesn't sync with that at all. Ofc this is just my opinion, so feel free to disagree!! :)

[@seraby7151]

@@baguette_connoisseur it will only get harder later on. only polearms, or only characters from liyue type of restrictions would be funny and make people more mald though.

[@flolaixijass5042]

Its hard when you focus on your fav characters and their elements are not available

[@enrike9404]

And don't forget that not all can upgrade all of them too even p2w only pick some and done

[@Megaswaglord]

Yeah. 90% of the teams I use are based around dendro (often without any on field dps at all) In this new mode I felt like I couldn't use any elemental reaction at all, let alone useful ones. It was just about using 2-4 random onfield dps in one team, so it was a struggle for sure

[@honeyedpeaches]

My favorite characters are all hydro..😭

[@cebe9447]

So basically it's kinda bad for most people

[@cjwat1118]

Well that’s the abyss deal. We’ve had that for the past four years. Adapt.

[@avej99]

This mode is gonna be hell when Geo is one of the elements for the season

[@Alister1310]

can't wait to be able to only use zhongli

[@yamidanne]

And hydro. Enjoy three characters if you never wished for a limited 5-star

[@chrysio7]

It's not going to be hell. I don't have single geo character leveled, so I'm just not gonna play theater that season. It's simple.

[@avej99]

@@yamidanne omg you’re right

[@Alister1310]

@@yamidanne that's at least more than geo's one guaranteed character

[@FurinaThe_HydroArchon]

It's giving I need therapy after rage quitting for a thousand times but I need primogems so yeah..

[@r.sexton]

I'm just having too much trouble trying to figure out how to nav the ish. It's too diff than any other system. Which makes me not like it. I have no issue with the actual fights... Just the navi sucks ballz.

[@Best-SiLenZ]

How!?

[@racoon.123]

YESSSS!!

[@nathanfortun5768]

IF THEY LET ME USE MY GOOD CHARACTERS IT WOULDNT BE BAD. Im sitting here with their built chlorinde and arlecchino and I can’t kill 18 enemies in like 3 minutes… you gotta be lying cause I can basically get to floor 2 on 12 of spiral abyss

[@kejow.]

thank god we don't have to complete all requirements to get the primos and rewards, like me suffering for those 200 primos in abyss 11-1☠️

[@緑-x6z]

I've 27 characters build and geared (what can I say, I just love building my characters). I've been playing for more than two years, I'm also f2p and I enjoy this mode. I understand some of the complaints though. I still think it's a great game mode and might give less used characters (which are still great, though not "meta-enough" for many players) a chance to shine. I would however like to see some more "blessings" and it would be nice to have more than one supporting character from friends.

[@snailwhale6673]

I've only been playing for 1.5 years and did not have a problem with filling the slots with characters, I cleared it easily enough and the rng is a nice touch. it would seem a lot of people are not familiar with rouge-like games which this game mode is and I think a lot of people are finding out that they did not invest optimally.

[@korosensei329]

I plan to build every character in the game eventually. As of right now I have 54 characters that are built and have contributed to 36 stars in the abyss, so this event was a cakewalk for me

[@kitamibu]

Do you mean 27 total characters on your account or 27 that you can use in the theater right now? If it's the latter I'm impressed, if it's the former, not as much.

[@ouro2164]

2 years of playing, 24 well-built characters but I'm not even allowed to play the hardest mode because only 12 were eligible on my roster :O

[@mk_gamíng0609]

​@@snailwhale6673how can you invest optimally for a new gamemode no one knew was coming? People were either investing in Favs or the Meta for Abyss

[@awhoman]

Personally I find that it isn't the actual content that's difficult, but the fact that you need to have 18 characters from only 3 of the 7 elementsboth leveled and built. It's just rough and extremely unfriendly to new players whilst still being boring af for "veteran" players that have enough characters built

[@matrixster6238]

“Unfriendly to new players” that’s the point, it’s not for new players. I’m a veteran (V 1.2) and it’s not boring for me, but maybe that’s because I haven’t spent hundreds of hours grinding artifacts. I cleared Act 6 on normal and that’s fine for starting out, to gauge how the system works.

[@deathmetalalchemist5861]

It’s not that interesting for vets cuz it’s really easy once you have enough chars leveled and it doesn’t promote combat synergies, just throw some random chars together and only use the 1 or 2 strong ones you have in the team

[@shivanshuverma9784]

Bruh its an end game content, why would it be friendly to new players??

[@luca__-tf6tn]

I'm a day one player and for me it was so boring that I don't want to do it again. I'd rather have the old abyss reset back. Friends who started later see it the same way though. You get level 85 opponents at the highest level. That's ridiculous. I had just as much fun as if I was playing abyss levels 1-8 with a team randomizer.​@@matrixster6238

[@luca__-tf6tn]

​@@deathmetalalchemist5861True, you only ever use 1-2 characters from the team because it is so ridiculously easy

[@Vickiraytive]

I like it. I've completed it in normal and need 4 more characters to do hard mode. I've only been playing a couple of months and i'm not that stressed about not being able to complete everything. If i got upset at every primo I missed, I may as well cry an ocean for everything I missed before 4.5. I definitely like Imaginarium Theatre more than Spiral Abyss. Supposedly people don't like how restrictive it is, but it feels way more restrictive having to stick to a meta to 36 star every patch. I.T. actually rewards you for managing with what you have and being creative with the RNG. I'm thriving.

[@Alister1310]

i don't think it's a hard game mode, i just find it really annoying because i only build the characters i really like

[@SimplyUnst4ble]

I also do that, but then again, this thing was more meant for those that have been stuck doing Spiral Abyss for a long time

[@niniblush]

yes, it threw me off that now i'm forced to use characters whose play style i don't enjoy that much because otherwise i don't have enough built characters to clear all 8 acts :/ and honestly, with natlan right around the corner, i don't want to waste my resin on them, so i'm just going to wait until august to clear it i guess

[@domgk-rx5ih]

people like me have asked for difficult end game content for years, i love that we finally get it now the combat isn’t hard but the restrictions and level requirements make it challenging that way, it truly is for “end game” players who have been doing nothing but Abyss for months, earlier and newer players now have more incentive to build a bigger roster the only real complaint i have is 18 characters is a lot but it wont be a big deal if they just let us borrow more characters from our friends between them and the trial characters you can pretty easily do it

[@CorruptForces]

Yeah but honestly it's artificial difficulty. Most people wanted bosses that have complex moves that you have to dodge or learn the attack patterns instead of a boss with a lot of health and large damaging numbers. Half of this is just gimmicky feeling and it forces you to waste your limited resources on element types you may not even like. And even if it's for endgame it forces those who are f2p to spend money or this endgame becomes one of those things that are locked behind multiple years of playing in which you'd have all story stuff done and have built characters but still you wouldn't be able to do this mode and complete and get all the rewards because you didn't build Geo characters. It's overall a let down and do keep in mind the semi-endgame we had with abyss is kinda gone as the rewards were cut in half cause it resets once a month so those who are in the earlier part of the endgame grind is screwed with even less rewards! Like damn we don't even get that much to begin with they're acting like having both would kill them. Hell WuWa has already proven that you can be generous with rewards while not ruining revenue from whales.

[@hurricaneb6243]

@@CorruptForces Hey, how about we let this end game run it's course, yeah? Personally, I enjoyed it. Didn't max my Stella's and some of my characters actually died while finishing the stages. Managed to squeezed through all 8 stages, and got all the rewards. It's a great mode for me, and I would imagine old players who have rolled and built characters over the years are revisiting them now. I mean what else are you gonna do in a gacha game but slowly build your roster? Am I gonna get fcked in geo? Absolutely, I have like, 3 characters max. But I only started taking the abyss seriously after a year. I understand where you're coming from, and it could be tiring hearing from all the genshin dick-riders. I'm not gonna say this is the endgame I've always wanted. But can we just CHILL?

[@CorruptForces]

@@hurricaneb6243 honestly rare to see someone with a Brain. Fair enough we did just get it although I still align with Tectone's view on the new mode. Although I'd be much better if they allowed you to borrow more friends characters especially since they upped the friend level cap anyways. I mean at least we got something so fair enough

[@hurricaneb6243]

@@CorruptForces It's not everyday I get a civil response, so cheers mate. I would be there with you raging at hoyo the moment they put dendro, geo, and anemo together lmao.

[@prstechnic1774]

@@CorruptForces​​⁠​⁠i thought the theater was pretty fun. I get what you’re saying but having basically randomized characters against a lvl 95 boss at the end of hard mode can be challenging in its own way. Like i was stuck with klee, beidou, sucrose, and bennett in the end. And if i didnt have bennett i would not have cleared. I think what you’re asking for is a little out of genshins league too. We can have light mechanics like shooting things with bows or standing on plates but i don’t think genshin is the type of game with the type of player base that wants real puzzle mechanics in boss fights. And the theater rests every 30 days too. So how would they keep it fresh? Do they make a new boss every time? Also ofc WuWa is giving more rewards. It’s trying to eat up genshin’s player base by giving them what hyv doesn’t. 💀

[@p.k.d9694]

Man i had no idea that one day the amount of grinding and wasted materials i had done on random characters in the past just for fun would help me in this event😅😂... As the saying goes"what goes around comes around"

[@revylee4541]

EXACTLY! Over 50 characters built. Now is my time to shine! xD

[@MarineRX179]

@@revylee4541 Played since launch, with 63 level 85-90 characters talent level 8-10 all with their own artifacts and weapons here let's gooooo!

[@revylee4541]

@@MarineRX179 53 fully built on Level 90 for me. But also each their own artifact set and weapon. No switching needed. Talent mostly at 9/9/9, just a few older ones still at 8. I get them to 9 whenever there is a double drop event plus with events you get talent rolls too over the time. And of course a few crowned. And yes. Launch player here too.

[@bandilexulu2296]

Bro couldn't use his C6 Ayaka/Furina💀

[@spymadmax584]

Ayaka ?yes .furina No

[@XxDPrA-1565]

its because it does not meet the required elements

[@cedrusnguyen5188]

Next month he can use both of them, so there's that.

[@ItsYOgirl803]

@@spymadmax584 Nah, Ayaka is Baldie 2.0 and boring af 💀💀💀

[@abhiss6705]

​@@cedrusnguyen5188what's the rotation next month ?

[@yamidanne]

No infinite health pools, no minimal timer, no running away, teleporting, shielding, flying, digging, waves spawning miles apart, resetting both sides while you only want to do the second side....... Yup. Game modes are fun when not designed specifically to piss you off. I like this one.

[@Frenchaboo]

I think we played entirely different game modes lol. Good luck clearing "protect turret, kill 45 characters and trigger 10 swirl reactions" when you didn't get Venti or Kazuha in the draw.

[@_Nyxus_]

​@@Frenchaboo Sucrose would also work

[@ziebus904]

​@@Frenchaboo there is no map that you need beyond 25 kills

[@lappania]

​@@Frenchaboo Kill and reaction counts are bonus objectives. They aren't required to get the rewards.

[@AdalynnCaelgirien]

Pretty sure there's one where you have to kill at least 35 enemies to get A STAR, and the bonus is keeping the tower's health above 15%, and all the enemies are extremely far away and even with Venti you just run around with 0 energy for sprinting. Arle's teleport was a life saver

[@SimplyUnst4ble]

What this whole thing has taught me is that you can never please everyone. Every time you introduce more things to the game, people will complain. Now, am I excusing the difficulty? No, it is difficult because of the restrictions. However, at the same time, it is meant for those that have been BEGGING for endgame content and have been doing just Spiral Abyss all this time. Someone like me, who's a casual, the thing is just a neat thing to do when I want to grab some extra primos, even if it is difficult.

[@mamonth6985]

The only difficult part for me was to stop using Zhongli for my bad combat reactions. And appreciate more "Just Dodge" skill that CC usually have and I lack. KEKL

[@goten3965]

I think the reason why Genshin doesn’t allow you to build your characters whenever you want is because when the game released there wasn’t very many characters and they didn’t want people to beat the entire game and max out there characters in a few days but Genshin has SO many characters now that the change should be made so we can actually level up characters when we want to…….

[@kibathefang6022]

When I played Honkai Star Rail, and they had MoC and added Pure Fiction, and I experienced how difficult it was that HSR required you to invest in all types of Elements and different Paths of those elements because of varying enemy types and mechanics, and how I only got full stars afters more than 6 months of playing, was the time that I realized, if you can't clear it, then just stop whining and start building. No need to act like it's the end of the world if you can't clear the hardest difficulty. I eventually cleared Pure Fiction full stars maybe on its 4th iteration. And there were still iterations I couldn't fully star it and MoC. But HSR for me required even larger investment. But despite that, I suppose having to build so many characters does have its merit because you're less likely to get bored with the same teams. HSR gets you to think. This is a gacha game. Isn't collecting and building characters one of the points of playing this game? I have 50+ fully built characters in Genshin and at least 6 from each element with their own artifacts. The weapons easily borrowed from other units that can't be used for Imaginarium Theater. This game mode doesn't pose a problem for me. In fact it lets me play with units collecting dust.

[@ronna798]

I agree, I really don't understand some genshin players,they were complaining about the endgame mod being too easy and now after getting a hard one they complain about its difficulty

[@mamonth6985]

Wow someone on internet has same opinion/experience on Pure Fiction as me. Some side Note: I still don't get why most CC just ignore how good chars are in PF during a "tier list" or similar topics. Also PF is not discussed enough when new season opens.

[@nguyenhuyhoang5952]

Agree, I have 80 characters and already built 76 out of them, change teams from time to time and still having fun from 1.0 to 4.7, now waiting for 4.8 to come :D

[@akira8393]

​@@ronna798i have 20 plus characters and i have 8 that i maxed. In star rail, enemies have mechanics that makes me go back and build better, genshin new mode just takes away the characters and call that a challenge and time trials, i dunno if i like fighting darksouls boss in only 3 minutes. I say that i rather just play punishin gray raven with more skill rather than characters

[@bandfor]

and if you don't have 12 characters you don't like then just pay to get all the units you don't want! I mean god it's so easy, why is everybody complaining

[@hollyberry0602]

As a casual player who hasn't even attempted floor 12 before, I really enjoyed what I DID play of this event. I wasn't aiming to finish it or anything, I only did the first few stages, but it was really fun! I like that you could loan your friends' characters (I only have like six random strangers on my friends list tho, but it's a nice feature), I like that there were trial characters on offer (since I don't really build electro characters), and I got some decent rewards! I also found the combat way less frustrating than the abyss, the arena was much smaller and with easier goals to achieve, so I wasn't even stressed out for most of it. Not planning on clearing the whole thing, but even as a casual player I just took the rewards I was capable of getting and was perfectly content.

[@teska132]

Waiting for the Cryo Dendro Geo event. Good luck finding enough characters

[@CROSSMYHEARTREFUSETOLIE]

Easy 😂 I have almost every cryo and shit ton of dendro to cover up for geo lacking.

[@mamonth6985]

There will not be such season. Ultimately Hoyo choses elements that react with each other, so Anemo/Geo Season is impossible also Dendro/Geo. Geo season can be with Pyro/Electro. So Arle team with Geo can be used or Navia with Pyro/Electro support. But still low chance, I think Geo will be only as Special Guests most likely.

[@shinobu1886]

Unless they add more Dendro reactions in the future (they should), that will never be a thing. At least 1 of the elements should react with Dendro.

[@budjiibing2535]

its foing to be hydro+ cryo + either dendro or geo. which is still not good at least for my account. freeze and bloom teams are reactions I rarely focus on

[@stryfer1989]

Personally, I think they nailed the character selection/restriction aspect for a roguelike mode, buuuut... They bombed on the boons. The boons are neither impactful nor fun enough to warrant a desire to replay the mode trying different builds. Iirc, there was an event in the past where the boons could change how a character works - that's sorely needed here! If they made them fun enough, they could add things like farmable EXP books, level up and talent materials for repeatable runs, to help with building characters you left behind. If they made them impactful enough, they could up the monster level and you'd have to take them to beat content. This would also require offering enough flowers to where you can get a character + a boon after every fight, but the end result could be something insane you've never seen in Genshin before. As it stands, this is barely different from one of the usual events. Since it's permanent, I hope they'll build on it in the coming versions.

[@zealora]

I love that it rewards the people that have been investing in to their account "horizontally" instead of "vertically". That's just how I like to play, so this game mode was really fun for someone like me. Abyss is such a pain when everyone is at C0, and I don't have any signature weapons. It also encourages people to know more about the game. It encourages players to learn about the trial characters that they never pulled/used, learn about how non-meta teams can still work together in specific situations, and learn more about enemies in general (like how to trigger the exhausted state on the Jadeshroom and what it was called). I think it's perfect for the end game, and I can't wait until the next season.

[@okamiman73]

You. You understand. 👏🏼👌🏼

[@okamiman73]

@@zealora in the long term and at the end of the day it's very healthy to encourage different play styles: in this case, vertical vs horizontal character investment

[@lulufortytwo3884]

what a great comment! I build that way too and it's finally nice to be rewarded for it. Because it was a little annoying when c6 Ayaka mains were saying abyss was simple. I have a 40/289 crit, my Ayaya isn't weak, she was just c0 with a burst half the size. People can build their accounts how they want, and I chose my way, but it also means I wasn't willing to sweat those final 30 seconds to earn 9 stars on floor 12 and have been missing out on those 50 primos for years.

[@o5krad789]

1.0 player here I've done 12 star abyss for a very long time and this mode is a welcome change. I've also completed this event to the max, mostly because i've built every single character i have (lvl90, artifacts suited to a certain playstyle, talent levels if needed). This event is clearly a character check. But it's fun that you can use your friends chars...

[@FlashKillerX]

it's obviously a character check yes. Characters dont need to be fully invested to do well in this mode, I think just one well invested DPS can carry 3 sub par built characters if you space your usage out well enough (if the game lets you that is. SMH hoyo let us use less than 4 characters on a team)

[@celestesstars]

I get this perspective on it, but that's not how a lot of people play the game. Everyone I know only plays the characters/teams they like. Why should I build a character that I don't like? Its not hard to clear, its just goes against how most players view the game. Forcing people to play with the trial characters and the restrictions on team building just goes against everything Genshin is known for IMO.

[@shinobu1886]

​@@celestesstars "Why should I build a character that I don't like?" Then don't? You're not forced to. We are pushing 90 characters, there are plenty of fun and viable characters to choose from. If you can't expand your range even a little then maybe Genshin just isn't for you? What happens if you don't even like 8 characters to at least do the Abyss then? On the other hand, if you enjoy doing the same thing over and over in the abyss with the same 8 characters, that's fine. You do you I guess, but the game shouldn't have to cater to you just because you want to limit yourself so much. How does it go against everything Genshin goes for, when for the first time ever, we actually have a reason to build and use multiple DPS's of the same Element? With so many characters it's giving us a reason to use more of them, to me, it sounds quite the opposite. Before this for example, I loved using Arlecchino as my pyro DPS, but then for what reason did I ever need to use the other characters I liked such as Yoimiya and Gaming?

[@celestesstars]

​@@shinobu1886 I have enough characters to fit the requirements. The point is that I don't have all of my characters built. I have all of my favorite characters built because, for me, that's the point of the game. It's not hard to get 8 characters for abyss, but with the element restriction in Imaginarium Theater AND the character requirement being so big, it restricts team building so badly. For example, you can use Yoimiya in this season because shes pyro. However, you cant do vaporize with her because of the element restriction. You cant even use Zhongli with her, which is her most commonly used teammate. The only way to make an overload team work is if you have Chevreuse, who isn't even available for trial. Even if she was, you'd only get to use her twice. Not only that, but you'll end up using half built characters just to meet the required amount. Limiting players with the element restriction is just irritating. I was able to clear it, but why play this game mode when I cant even play my favorite teams? Abyss is fun because its challenging, but still allows you to choose whatever team you want with no restriction. Even though the second half of this abyss heavily favors Hydro, you're not forced to use it. You can still break the pyro shields with other elements. This game mode is a good idea, its simply too restrictive. I feel like they just need to remove the restrictions entirely. Also, you have always been able to build multiple DPS characters of the same element. Gaming, Yoimiya, and Arlecchino are very different characters with different strengths. Theres no negative to building all of them since they all fit into different teams. For example, I wouldn't use Yoimiya for a floor with multiple waves. I would, however, use her for a boss floor like Coppelius. Also, depending on your favorite teams, one team might be better suited for a specific floor/boss. Genshin is about pulling and playing your favorite characters, not restrictions on team building/who you need to build to succeed. Thats my point.

[@shinobu1886]

​@@celestesstars You're literally just explaining exactly what is intended with this mode, building characters and breaking the meta. Why do you think overload was the theme? Everyone knows outside of chevreuse isn't not exactly a great reaction. There are so many contractions here. Like you claim to like the DPS check Abyss more because it's "challenging" but complain about the new mode because I guess not using meta teams for yoimiya is difficult for you. If you only care about using characters you like that it shouldn't matter what characters are 'commonly' used with her. Why would I be using half built characters? "Why play this game mode when I cant even play my favorite teams?" The 3+ years of the same 2 teams in Abyss wasn't enough for you? or any other content in the game? I mean, while questionable, if that's what you prefer, again, no one is forcing you to play IT. "I feel like they just need to remove the restrictions entirely." People have been asking for an endgame mode different from Abyss and now we finally got something much more fun, fresh and unique and people still complain and you're literally just wanting another Abyss. Again, like I said, if you only want Abyss, just play that, doesn't mean the game needs to cater just to you. No, there was never a reason to build multiple DPS's of the same element. 1 was more than enough, and you didn't even need 1 for each. But if that's what you think that it was worth building multiple, then this also contradicts your entire argument and there shouldn't be a problem right? Anyway, all of that and the main point doesn't change. Genshin is about a lot of things, building a variety of characters is absolutely one of them. It would be silly of a gaming company to not encourage this basic concept. People have been asking more Endgame and they delivered. Abyss wants vertical investment, IT wants horizontal investment. Both are optional, but it's called endgame for a reason. As I said, if you want to limit your roster, that's on you and your decision alone. If they just let you pick your own teams just for you to be like okay here's my usual hyperbloom/vape/mono hydro team etc, what's the point? Just play Abyss.

[@savy_Cos]

I have a childhood stuffed animal, named Wolfy and wolfy in game and my wolfy look almost identical and it makes my inner child so happy!!! anyways, The theater is really fun, Its making us building characters more and make us better at building our characters since its pushing us to make our characters stronger. As a Ar 57 (close to 58 like i should be ar 58 by the end of this month) and ive done every quest, so i just explore and fight things now days since i dont wanna build my 4 stars that i dont use but now im going to build more characters.

[@slendercube6848]

I love this new mode. Really gives me bragging rights among my friend group because I actually level up a large variety of characters and they didn't so they are struggling.

[@Bullminator]

No sir, this is not bragging. This is just being stupid enogh to play this game for so long ;P I have a lot of build characters myself, but its mostly due to battlepass.

[@akira8393]

​@@Bullminatorshhh... Let em cope

[@thrix_x]

Yes bro, time gate needs to go cus im tired of having motivation to farm but having to wait for another day to farm for a specific character

[@kaelmartin9870]

I love this new mode, because it allows me to use characters i dont have or haven't trained up, teat new comps i haven't thought of. Spiral Abyss i use the same characters all the time, but this makes me rethink how i play. I love it!

[@cherryjoonie006]

Bro it's so freaking hard for me like I'm just stuck in Act 5 I want all the rewards but I keep on dying it's just really hard.

[@Alister1310]

i'm stuck on act 6 because i either die or can't kill the boss fast enough because the best dps i can use at that point is electro and one of the enemies has electro res

[@ValiantStranger12]

Thoma, Fischl, Xiangling, Diluc

[@ValiantStranger12]

​@@Alister1310Fischl, Arlecchino, Kazuha, Jean

[@Alister1310]

@@ValiantStranger12 thanks for recommending using characters i dont have

[@bobbycat05]

​@@Alister1310U can borrow a character from a friend. I only have fishcl amd yae for electro so I got a c2 raiden from a friend. I used her only for bosses.

[@deldalus]

element restriction

[@marqkc]

This comment sums up my thoughts pretty well too. One or two of these gameplay elements on its own is fine by me, but having them all is just not fun... I don't mind playing wacky teams, except I want to make them rotate smoothly but that's impossible unless I'm allowed to swap artifacts between rounds (which I am not allowed to because the devs said we couldn't, for some reason).

[@imo098765]

@@marqkc sounds like you like using Favonious weapons instead of getting good ER on the characters first and use fav to top it off. If you have high enough ER, this game mode is rather easy as long as you have one built dps per team. I used my Hu Tao who had the new Battlepass weapon with Beidou and Cloud Retainer as the supports. I had a Hu Tao designed to vape without but only overload with plunges which was the plan

[@ValerysGaming]

I personally had a fun time with this, i struggled HARD but that is because I have spent the last year leveling every character in my account and not artifact farming for them yet. All characters I do have built are not for overload reactions which is fine, I realize it is my problem area for reactions since i have like 2 electro characters built and 2 pyro characters built. I still enjoyed it to see where I could improve and will definitely try again to get further than I did because I enjoy the added challenge of restricting me to use specific characters

[@Azzymar173]

There’s just too many restrictions between the vigor and the elemental restrictions. The only people who have much to gain from this are people who built almost every character or people who get every character there’s no in between.

[@marqkc]

You'd be shocked to find out this is actually pretty untrue. If you have the resources to fulfill the character quota, it's not fun because the enemies are extremely easy to beat - like I keep beating Act 1 by only using my Burgeon Thoma and Hyperbloom Shinobu because overloads do enough damage to clear lmao So either you don't have enough characters to beat all the stages and you're not having fun, or you have enough characters but the enemies are too easy so you clear without a sweat. The in-between cases are very rare, but they also don't have it good either (RNG makes or breaks a run for those kinds of people, some of my friends are in that scenario and they've complained too. om).

[@Azzymar173]

@@marqkc dude it’s case by case that’s your experience not mine

[@Azzymar173]

If you like it power to you but Can’t deny the fact that it’s very restrictive because most people don’t build every character

[@h.o.p.e1415]

I absolutely love this endgame mode, its rewarding for me for all the effort i did with my variety 4 stars team, and learning those char i won't ever use it like the trial char i never had, did 3 tries and clear 8 stars. Wish there's more

[@Vallin87]

I gotta say, and maybe I'm in the minority here, but I love this game mode, not only is it fun to play and gets you to play some more unorthodox teams and characters you haven't used a million times, it also incentivizes building more characters, where before it always felt a bit pointless even though I've always liked doing that over investing a ton in just a few characters. So that's maybe why I enjoy it so much, because I can finally use some of the characters that weren't quite there for the abyss or just too weak in general. I think if they were to expand on that and maybe add another difficulty with more stages later on that could be really good, because it does feel a bit short (if you didn't have much trouble clearing it, that is) - but give it a little bit of time so people aren't overwhelmed by suddenly needing like 25 characters ready to go at any time.

[@K-wolf_Alexandrite]

It is very hard, but it DID just come out. I wasn't able to beat stage 6, the dual Vishaps, due to the characters I had left. I do like it though, despite how insanely tough it can be.

[@Arleer158]

Me, who loves overload and swirl teams: "Why is everyone saying this is so hard?? I did it on my first try????" I had no idea so few people build overload or swirl teams, LOL

[@best-girl-ilulu9736]

Depends on the characters u like mostly I don't do swirl cause I don't like many anemo characters and the one character I did want being cloud retainer wouldnt have worked well for me much at all plus arlechino and clorinde had yet to come out and I wanted them. As for overload I built one team suitable for overload with a second being in that possibility unfortunately rng on what characters I got screwed me so hard I barely finished it. I just find the restrictions way to harsh especially for people who don't have enough characters built or don't want to build certain characters and I don't think forcing people to build characters they don't want to build is a good idea, especially when there's other ways of restricting that work like u can only have x number of Pyro characters for example that I feel would be at least better than this at least. Then there's other issues like timers being hyper strict on bosses, buffs not really doing too much because of bad team comps, and I still hate that dumb tether mechanic for the ice and electric lizard boss like if one of u has no more health stay gone u petulant piece of trash. Yes I have many issues with this mode I do not think it's fun at all especially when the difficulty can change even more drastically than spiral at least that's just adding more enemies this it's like we may get a time when it's dendro, anemo and geo which would be absolutely atrocious for difficulty so while it's a change of pace to spiral I don't think it's a good one, hopefully they add more to it or change other things up enough to maybe make it more fun but rn it's a complete for primos and ignore mode.

[@DoNeeh]

It's was easy. I had fun. My goal in building every character finally got paid off. It forced me to play those built characters that I didn't use too much and I realized that they were actually doing good and couldn't believe it they doing fine and that made me want to properly fix them. P.S. Most of my characters are leveled to 70-80 thats mostly for 4 stars and while 5 stars are mostly just 80-90, and to let you know. A F2P too and casually. And yeah, since ver. 1 (launch day) It just feels good to see characters leveled up to 70-80 even on not built. I can also see that this is not new player friendly, I think for them to catch up the 200 resin isn't really a good change if its still 8 mins, atleast 5-6 mins that gives them a way to catch up.

[@Best-SiLenZ]

I'm confused that I saw many people complain about this mode is too hard. Well, first of all I think it's not that hard, compare to abyss this mode just need leveled characters and mediocre leveled artifact to clear. I use many non built characters in this too. Second, yep it's 'new' 'endgame' content. It's would be pointless if it's not challenging and even more pointless if you can play like normal spiral abyss. Spiral abyss is easier when you invest more into your one character. This game mode is like opposite, it's easier when you invest in more characters. Just hope it's getting more fun that abyss that make you more frustated.

[@fa14bi-78]

It's nice to have a new mode that gives you all the rewards for something far easier than 36 staring Abyss. I barley manage 33 Star. But this, this felt nice and I got everything.

[@rosaodrawing9227]

Imo it's not that bad it's a fun challenge and at first I hated the limited elm choice but warmed up to it in the end all in all pretty cool also appreciate the new photo poses you can get ^^

[@leonthesleepy]

Weirdly enough, i can NEVER get 36 Spiral Abyss stars, but was able to fully complete the Theater on hard mode lol...

[@lulufortytwo3884]

I have forty characters with their own artifacts. I finally feel vindication

[@Linnetkant]

I wish they didn’t have specific elements to use. Since the low spenders don’t want to waste there materials on characters they don’t want.

[@XxMonkeDudexX]

I think this is going to help players that can’t 36 star the abyss forcing them to level characters which can be later used in the abyss

[@thuaners]

i love it too! i agree with your takes on it. and yes i would love it if we could build our characters and weapons on any day of the week! i hope they implement this 😊

[@GLoLChibs]

I think it's hard in a good way. If people want the rewards then they have to stop focusing only on meta characters and discarding elements they don't like. You get trial characters and can use a friend character. I'm starting to see why the devs initially said they didn't want to add endgame because it'd make players anxious.

[@MuhaamadAreeb]

It's not too hard. It's an endgame mode Nor is it too easy, try to finish all the objectives instead of just getting the rewards. Also, if you have whaled out characters, completely remove them to give yourself more of a challenge Not only that, the number of characters will stay the same so people will be allowed to catch up but the DPS checks will increase hence making it more difficult, fun and satisfying Everyone is coping so hard that genshin can never do something right, just give it a moment. You'll find how you enjoy the mode and it'll be fine

[@juztify3311]

Basically it's hard if you play without your brain... Me and my friend clear it by almost only using the trial character and some other support and healing unit like benny and kazuha. The only reason we use our own dps is the trial character ran out of energy (2time usage)

[@lacytaylor1501]

I do enjoy this game mode, it's surprisingly fun. I do admit that my issues with it are entirely on myself. I have plenty of built anemo characters but only a handful of pyro and just my Raiden for electro and I am one of those players who got a little too used to shields to the point of building Noelle for a second shielder in abyss so I am slowly learning to fight without relying on a shield. At first I could only get through easy but now I've managed to get to the second boss on normal. It's a nice learning experience, plus I know to build more characters before the end of the month and try to be ready for whatever they throw at us next.

[@FM-ny6cn]

I completed chapter 6 on my first try (didn't know about the chapt 8 rewards)... then chapt 8 after 2 tries, easy peasy... a lot easier than the abyss at least (I have lots of character, none above c0)

[@YuKi-bq4td]

I personally think this is good, but a personal attack as a person who doesn't build anyone and only borrow each artifacts ☝️

[@anthonycrayne2835]

It's hard for people who don't invest horizontally and early players. As a launch player, it's really fun.

[@BigSlapper111]

Yeah I started playing like a few months ago and literally do not have 18 pyro electro and anemo characters 💀

[@anthonycrayne2835]

@@BigSlapper111 you'll get there. Just keep playing!

[@thatrandomguyontheinternet2477]

​@@BigSlapper111level 70+ don't forget

[@thelittleal1212]

I’ve been building more characters to do the normal difficulty, until I realize, it really isn’t worth it. But hey, Sometimes, no matter how hard you try, it’s not too wrong to just give up regardless of the effort

[@munhjargalsolongo9935]

i fully agree with you and it was such a fun game mode because of the randomization that i could build wakky teams. i hope they make longer or harder versions in the future

[@abhiss6705]

Or even add some replayability to it. Like imagine you fail a run just because you have like the worst debuffs....8 easy stages. Watch hoyo take all all this feedback and implement it in zzz

[@lulufortytwo3884]

they're going to hear you and put in the consecrated beasts

[@seraby7151]

@@abhiss6705 you get an achievement for having alot of buffs... i forgot the other achievement. but yeah, it's fun but lacks replayability.

[@itsmewhoknows]

Genshin Fandom when the *Endgame* content is not easy for New Players : 😡😡🤬🤬

[@Kore-w8y]

IF THEY EVER DO ANYTHING GEO combined with like dendro its a wrap

[@cornsoup797]

I only finish floor 11 in spiral abyss each time so i'm not rushing to complete this new game mode /sobs. fortunately ive been building more characters 😅 i was surprised people are hating on this when it just released

[@Kirsikkamoon]

As someone who loves building characters I find this mode pretty fun :)

[@ryanspinoza6586]

Correct me if I'm wrong, aren't we still getting the same amount of primogems per month/cycle except we now have a new end game content that hard gatekeeps you from getting the exact same amount again if you don't have 18 built characters?

[@IrrelevantOaf]

It's a bit more primos with some mora and junk on the side. Barely an upgrade tbh.

[@neiljohnhechanova9652]

good thing i struggled at first time playing this gamemode, i only finished act 6 that time and i learnt that planning ahead is a must! team rotation and strategy although the trial characters is also decent so i used them from 1st up to midway and i all in to the Coppelius boss, meaning i used my best character which is Arlecchino with my best built support by chance and after clearing it i would say it's fun but not that easy it's kind of in Normal Mode not too hard and not too easy.

[@UnevenerGgc2]

I’m seeing people complaining a lot about access to characters. But frankly, I started last September and I only need to build 2 more characters before being able to challenge the hardest difficulty. I was able to beat Normal Mode quite easily. I admit, I do pay for Welkin + BP, but if you’ve been playing for a full year or two, you should NOT struggle unless you only build like a few characters. If you’re a new player and complaining, remember that this is End Game content, not for new players

[@TundraRage]

I've been playing for a year by this point. I have very few characters leveled and built due to saving XP Books for High Priority characters. The fact that I'm forced to build characters that aren't in my priority is restrictive to me.

[@cameronuy9552]

Remember, not everyone has the same luck in terms of pulls, artifact drop rates. My luck has been shit in this game even after a year of playing. Lets not get into the artifacts. I only last month managed to clear abyss past floor 12 and not even 36 stars. So we gotta take into account how people's luck on their accounts have been too.

[@nakano8412]

@@cameronuy9552 True, I've been farming golden trouple for 5 months to get decent artifacts on Furina/Fischl/Chiori, so far pretty mediocre builds, meanwhile my Neuvilette was built in 1 week and is on top 3% in terms of artifacts without even really wanting to focus on him. You can build an account/characters in a few months, or if unlucky be way longer. My Ayaka has been in purgatory since 2.0

[@RareAngelz]

​@@TundraRageWhat makes characters a priority to you? Honestly, leveling characters to 70 and using modest artifacts farmed in a week is good enough. I have no characters below level 50 but I also have no cracked characters. So you can see that for me, this is awesome. It's mostly a case of people prioritizing the abyss not being set for this and that's understandable.

[@travissaunders4686]

This adds up. I have been playing since late Dec and I have 13 characters eligible. This means I am building roughly 2 a month and with the extra 3 months that you had, I could've had enough. Frankly, I am just offended that Genshin would build a mode that I have no chance to play, so I am not even interested in finishing one player for medium mode. I will probably just focus on fine tuning and completing the 13. Unless they start selling resin in the store and then I will be able to really start grinding.

[@Daivd1111]

No, this game mode does not require you to 'build more characters', you just have to level enough characters to lv70. I even changed my geo Lumine to animo Lumine to get to 18 required characters. Half of that is just lv70 with Lv0 artifact. You can basically beat this with 4 well built DPS alone.

[@ItsWilli]

just waited for this video I skipped through all the dialouges and was so confused

[@Kuddochan]

Can always just reopen the tutorial menu in-game if need be

[@imdani4997]

It would be better if we can change build anytime tbh because most of my characters share the same artifacts. I can build every characters including aloy but artifacts are painful to farm. Have been playing for years and still doesn't have good emblem pieces. In fact I only managed to complete all 8 stages because of someone's c6 shogun

[@Genshinimpact_alhaitham-main]

It is pretty hard. for casual players, no more building your favorite characters only...I don't have that many pyro characters so couldn't continue the next acts 😢😢

[@Alister1310]

i have the same problem but with anemo characters

[@elnys9141]

I have only one pyro dps, arlecchino and two dps anemo not well built and one dps ready electro I was fucked from the beginning

[@HellBent_]

@@elnys9141 I have 1 pyro dps (arleccino), yae fishl and kuki are my only built electro characters, and my only built anemo characters in general are jean and faruzan. My tactic of only pulling a couple of characters per element has come back to bite me in the ass for this endgame itd seem 🥲

[@Yoimiya_Lover29]

As a casual f2p player who also hasn't played Genshin since March (because I was busy), this new mode is hell for me. I'm only concentrated on a few characters, and even then, they give you trial characters, which are poorly built, and you only have a small chance of getting the character of yours that you actually wanted. Not to mention the whole thing just confuses me, I have absolutely no idea what's going on. It's not fun in the slightest.

[@Melotaku]

Finally a content creator who understands why this mode is the way it is.

[@okamiman73]

I think imaginarium theatre is designed for people who like to have a flexible roster of decently built characters rather than a small number of very powerful teams and characters like Spiral Abyss does. I like its addition a lot because it makes endgame space/content for people who like to play and build at a... different pace? With a different style? Hard to sum it up simply. That said, it also favors players who have been playing for long enough to have built many characters well. It's a good goal to work towards for the people who have only optimized for Spiral, and vice versa. I can see why it's divisive, but I don't find it unpleasant at all. I really like the strategic decision making and planning that go into deciding when to use which characters and so on. There's plenty of room for improvement - like allowing multiple support characters, and rewarding players for having their support characters used. More interesting buffs, or even trial/powered up versions of characters you own, a la Divergent Universe in HSR. But overall it's definitely a good step in the right direction IMO. At the end of the day, it is entirely optional, just like Spiral, and the elemental restrictions mean it's more than just "run your hyper optimized [character name] team". There's a lot of strategy and planning potential for playing it better, and I think that's great.

[@wesamalhuwaidi5930]

Allways good and cool and funny vids!!❤😊

[@blucksunflower]

My thoughts on Imaginarium Theater is that this gamemode is hard, but fun. The characters I somewhat have built either weren't available to choose from for this season (ie: Neuvillette) or wouldn't support / heal enough to give value (ie: Chevreuse). However, I prefer this WAY more than the Abyss. Every other season of that feels like I need Zhongli or Venti (which I don't have) to either significantly clear rooms faster or to stay alive.

[@doubled99218]

its not hard as in difficulty as if any hoyo game is difficult to began with. Its hard because you're forced to build like 20 different characters on a restrictive spiral abyss reskin basically.

[@justinbailey1669]

Imaginarium Theater: Challenging, drops lore, gives great rewards, exclusive voiced interactions with characters, awesome music and visuals. Honestly, huge win for Genshin. As an AR60 endgame player, I'm very pleased with it.

[@Byteme321go]

I actually liked this game mode. Once I figured it out haha. I get some of the complaints but honestly some are going a bit overboard. I did the theater on both my accounts. One is my main and is very nicely invested in and the other is an alt that I’m still working on building more characters and improving but honestly some of my builds on my alt turned out better than on my main just because of artifact luck for some reason. Either way the account over all is still weaker but is able to clear most content. For my alt I actually had to level up 5 different characters to level 70. Actually add one more cause I accidentally made the mistake of leveling up thoma, thinking he’d be a useful shield/support but then found out he didn’t count because he was already in the main cast. Either way I leveled up my baizhu, sethos (who I didn’t even end up using due to recharging vigor card thank god cause I don’t think he’d be very useful unbuilt). I think I did Jean and chevreuse who actually proved quite useful with overloaded. Like another kazuha. Either way after like 3 tries and learning the stages, I was able to 8 star it. But what I also like about this mode is that you don’t actually need 8 stars to get full rewards. Just build some characters to level 70 and it will be enough to get hard mode if you wanna try it. With a bit of luck you can at least clear it if not 8 star it. Sometimes I miss a couple stars on the spiral abyss floor 12 usually but I let it go cause sometimes it’s just so frustrating and it’s not worth the time tbh. So I’m conclusion I like the game mode haha.

[@okamiman73]

At the end of the day, this game mode doesnt require you to build your characters to the point where you'd ask for an account review to show them off. Even if they're half decently built, chances are they're still good enough

[@mahoganyrayne]

i was thinking the same. it’s not like abyss where all the objectives have to be met by a time limit and it’s like chaos. a lot of the star objectives are pretty basic some are timed but a lot are just about enemies killed. and i think a lot of people are focused on making teams when tbh it don’t think it’s a necessity. i literally ran trial clorinde, keqing, baizhu and jean for one act and got the required objectives. i just think people need time to adjust to it

[@Bread16091]

I did really bad on this the first time because I didn’t really know what I was doing, but after watching this I think I can do better now! Thanks Doro! :D

[@zeroprimo2623]

difficulty wise its actually depends, for me honestly its EZ so i wish later on its get harder for me

[@Thedarkbunnyrabbit]

Pyro/Electro has decent synergy. Imagine if later they have dendro + cryo or geo + cryo. Of course we can expect it will get harder in time, that's how hoyo does it.

[@zeroprimo2623]

@@Thedarkbunnyrabbit I atleast have 2 or more strong char from each element so i think its not gonna do much for me

[@Thedarkbunnyrabbit]

@@zeroprimo2623 Well, the randomness + likely increased difficulty of mobs will probably make only 2 strong chars unreliable

[@teateachimchim733]

people been asking for harder content bcs genshin is to easy now that theater is something we can do all you hear is people complain about it skill isseu or time isseu but stop complaining about not getting trough i've said this before this new mode is highly focused on early players who've had the time since genshin released you don't hear them complain but people who just started in fontaine are whining about it it's as if they expect to get trough floor 12 at ar 20 get real invest in 2 teams for abyss then work on bennet xinqau yoayoa barbara xiangling sucrose and try the theater at easy mode

[@ri-ok4df]

People need to realize that you only need to build each character once and it's not that long if you don't substat maxing. Never used half of the character I cleared with, but I just slap them with the recommended artifacts and max their level for the mainstats

[@IrrelevantOaf]

True, especially for support units. You can easily build a half ass super mid but functional unit at the bare minimal.

[@seraby7151]

yeah i remember never using anemo traveller. i just used her as my ticket to get in hard mode lol.

[@memeinstein6965]

My personal experience was it was challenging but, possible on hard mode. Nearly a third of the characters I used were completely without artifacts and with their starting weapon because I just leveled them to ascension 5 for the 3 free wishes if I had no intention of using them until this was added. Some tips for future attempts or others reading are: #1 Do NOT aim for a full team comp outside of boss fights, expend Vigor on your characters you have less competence in their ability when available. #2 Wonderous Boons are the top point of priority on selection, they last the entire duration of the theater. The earlier they are bought the more the benefits they provide #3 When selecting a battle when 2 or more are there choose the enemies that would be easier for your current roster to manage. #4 Mysterious Caches are not necessarily free, they may result in a situation where you have to loose all of your flowers use with caution #5 you need to buy/have bought at least 2 characters by challange #5 and 2 more by #7 to avoid being unable to continue #6 Star Challages are only for a sense of personal merit and have no impact on rewards. #7 If you have the choice of friend offering a built character you do not have, choose it before choosing one they are offering that is built better than one you are have built. It will take away your ability to choose your own version resulting in a overall worse pool of supporting cast members

[@stracymedel7028]

Honestly it's only "Hard" when you don't have a well built characters needed to the imaginarium theater, but all in all I think it was pretty phenomenal like more fun compared to the spiral abyss✨✨✨

[@fkun1156]

End game is for people who have done all available in the game thus END game. Is for when you don't have anything to do in the game. It's meant for those players. People complaining can do just the easy mode. If they cant do even the easy mode, it's not for them. They already (still?) have a lot of other things to do in Teyvat. So many people whining....

[@danielferrieri7434]

The New Endgame is fun. It just needs some improvements

[@onyxdemeraude2412]

My opinion : Pro: The event is really good. The rewards are amazing. I don't find the even too hard. The bosses are manageable, the tryout character are cool to have. Cons : It really, Really sucks for free to plays like me, who don't have all their character built. I've been playing for almost a year and just have my fav characthers built. And it happens that most of my characters are Hydro, Cryo, Dendro and just a couple Electro and Pyro. I don't have NERLY enough characters built to even do the second phase. That part is ok, I understand it's to encourage endgame play and building other characters. What I find quite bad is that free to play get locked out of a LOT of valuable primos because they don't have enough characters yet. And you can't built 18 character good enough to use there in so little time

[@Tamytaummta]

If my 1 and a 6 month old f2p account with no 50/50 wins can clear it fully then you should also be able to clear it 💀

[@Dragindoor]

My only problem is the fact that I am forced to build chars I dont like. Yes building chars is the endgame. And yes I kinda enjoying doing so. As long is a char I want to play. I would rather have the option to clear a stage with 1 or 2 chars instead of being forced to always use 4 which in turn forces me to have build 11 chars. I cleared it on max diff with all stars and all rewards. Using 6 lv 70 unbuild chars. Had to healp a friend do the same and she had to farm 2 hours to get keqing,beidou and chevrouse to 70 so she can play it. when she could have easily just ran two stages with less chars instead of just having this three do nothing in the team. Something else which worries me is if someone doesnt have enough chars to begin with. They will be locked out of the max rewards. ALL THIS ASIDE. Thank god they finally added another endgame. It isnt perfect but I am glad they did it.

[@zogar8526]

No, it isn't. It is fun, and makes you use teams other than the normal. While also requiring you to think of how to build teams. It is end game content, done in the best way possible that isn't just a slightly different abyss. Level 70 is not a high requirement. You can easily get the characters needed in just a few months. People complaining are just objectively bad at the game. End of story.

[@D4C_267]

Lol there's no thinking involved. The enemies are so easy you can clear it with triple dps.

[@zogar8526]

@D4C_267 the fights are easier than abyss, but they still require decent teams for the most part. If you have a decent team, or hyper invested characters it becomes easy, but taking the wrong team can screw you in a battle. This is an end game mode made for people who have built a lot of characters, not those with hyper invested c6 fove stars with 400k resin spent on their artifacts.

[@D4C_267]

@@zogar8526 Wrong. Keep up the cope. Too easy garbage

[@zogar8526]

@D4C_267 great argument. It isn't hard, but neither is abyss. You just like all the others only want to cry so you can hate on genshin. You have no legit complaints, which summons up you morons perfectly in all you do. Pathetic.

[@dawensci7134]

​@@zogar8526 found the hoyo bootlicker, keep up with the cope🤣

[@FlashKillerX]

All I want to see out of this mode going forward is more impactful buffs/boons. As is right now you can brute force this mode with well built main dps and the randomness aspect is just on which characters you're given. If boons had more synergy and more impact on your combat it may feel more like simulated universe and allow players with less developed characters to grab synergistic buffs which allow them to push through regardless. I think that would be more interesting for everyone and they wouldn't even have to change anything about how the mode works, just the text on the boons and tweak the enemy numbers a bit to compensate. Then there may even be a reason to play through the mode more than once, just for fun.

[@mushroomarmy8802]

I love the new game mode. I don't understand why people hate it. The biggest reason I've seen is that, "I don't have enough characters." That is not a valid argument remotely. Imagenarium theater is much easier than Abyss in terms of enemy health, so if you have some characters even remotely built, you'll pass quite easily. The only people who really have trouble are people who focus on their favs or people with similar restrictions.

[@n.s.3609]

The new endgame mode is a scam because now Hoyo forces us to build characters we rarely use for barely 200 primos monthly more. IT should be an additional, optional content; instead it took away from from the Abyss. Also, good luck creating teams when RNG screws you over.

[@mattandrews2594]

You do realise you can't even start the mode if you don't have enough characters levelled?

[@mushroomarmy8802]

@@mattandrews2594 That's why it's endgame.

[@mattandrews2594]

@@mushroomarmy8802 It might be, but that wasn't the point. I was disputing you saying you can beat the Theatre by only having "some" built characters, which isn't true. You need a specific number.

[@thatrandomguyontheinternet2477]

I literally can't even play hard mode cause, IDK Kazuha and Jean are enough for all you need from anemo My main dps are Raiden and keqing, I have never gotten a Kuki or Chervreuse

[@anguyen4576]

Personally speaking (and I know it’ll prolly be the unpopular opinion) but I don’t mind all too much that talent and weapon mats are time specific. I get that it’s nice to do any one of them in HSR at anytime, but I find myself hyper-farming in trace hell for the particular unit I want to invest in. In a way, with Genshin’s time based domains, it sort of forces you to break up potential monotony. Of course, that’s not applicable to everyone. Just wanted to provide another perspective Also, love the theater. It’s fun to see how challenging and scuff the run goes

[@BeautyBoy4577]

The fact that this mode requires you to build so many characters just to do the challenge (characters you may not even want to build because they are no fun for you) and only allows to use one friends character is the reason i did not enjoy the mode as much. To be able to do the hardest difficulty, i would need to level 5 more characters of that specific element to lvl70. Some player say this is good so it encourages you to build more characters. For me it is bad because it forces you to build characters you don't like just to be able to participate in the challenge. I'm not gonna waste my ressources on characters i don't like just to be able to do the hardest difficulty and rather spend them on characters i actually do enjoy to play. This mode could be better, but again genshin just proved me that they only listen to their community with one ear. It's a shame, i was really exited for this mode.

[@effortlessfury]

I think the problem is that no one knows what they want and those that do all have different ideas of what would be good.

[@BeautyBoy4577]

​@@effortlessfury In that case genshin really should focus more on working with the feedback they receive from their community each patch and find a solution to this. It is the developers job to find ways to satisfy their audience. If they can't do that, they are doing bad. I am a game developer myself and worked on games myself. If i don't know what my community wants after 4 years, i am just doing a poor job. Still, the mode isn't garbage, it actually has a nice concept and i like some things here and there. But it has some huge flaws in my opinion that should be adressed.

[@effortlessfury]

@@BeautyBoy4577 I've also developed games, and I don't think it's their responsibility to satisfy the audience. If they want the audience's money, they'll have to, and they're of course going to WANT to, but there is no responsibility here. The problem is that you can't satisfy everyone. Anything regarding endgame is going to involve tradeoffs and things some people simply won't like. There is no solution to that problem.

[@BeautyBoy4577]

​@@effortlessfury There are many games that do listen to their community with great success and can satisfy a majority of their audience, i can't agree with your point that the developers are not responsible to satisfy their audience. Clearly there are companies and games that prove you wrong here. If you are a passionate developer, you care about your community. If you are all in for the money only then yes, you are right. And i know you can't satisfy everyone, but for me it looks like genshin doesn't even satisfy part of their target audience. They promote a new endgame and many players who waited for a new endgame after doing the abyss only for years are disappointed. Still, the mode itself as i said can be improved and i hope people let the developers know about the issues so they can work on that. But just ignoring the issues and accepting the endgame as it is right now will never change anything.

[@effortlessfury]

@@BeautyBoy4577 "If you are all in for the money only then yes, you are right." You forgot, "If you have a vision for your creation." As I said, a developer wants to make the player happy, but a developer can't make everyone happy, and a developer also wants to make something that makes THEM happy, too. They should not be slaves to the community, especially if it would pull them in 100 different directions. The best they can do is listen to feedback and adapt it to the things they want to create. That hopefully results in something everyone loves, but I think it's more important that THEY love it than any given player. Players who don't like it can just not give money and/or play that particular game.

[@abduabdu6789]

The game mode is more fun for vetran player and more friendly towards them than newer players. Like bro i just want my primos give em NOW!!! T_T

[@TundraRage]

1:56 Doro, I'd like to disagree. The problem lies for me, and probably MANY others, it is EXACTLY THAT. It forces you to build characters you weren't using before, and likely level them up as well. This is time consuming and drains resources that are quite limited for newer players like myself. I join last year on May, I don't have as many resources as others as mostly a F2P account with only recently that I purchased the welkin pass. I have quite limited resources and not great artifacts that I'm still farming for. This added restriction for me is ridiculous, and probably for others too.

[@BeautyBoy4577]

exactly. People argue that requiring 18 characters is great so you are encouraged to level up more characters. But thats just a stupid take. It does not encourage you to build more characters, but rather it forces you. If i want to do the hardest difficulty, i would have to level up characters i dont want to just to do the challenge, even if they are just benching afterwards i have to waste resources and time on them i would rather spend for the characters i actually enjoy.

[@TheAllu]

You don’t have to do the hard mode if you don’t want to build many characters. You can just focus on Spiral Abyss. You wouldn’t lose out on that many primos. I don’t know what’s so crazy about having an end game mode that wants you to build many characters instead of two hypercarries.

[@Keshkup]

​@@BeautyBoy4577you don't have to play the Theater if you don't want to, just like I ignored floor 12 because I was more interested in horizontal investment rather than vertical. I really want to say "gitgud" to people like you. Liking the mode is not a stupid take, it doesn't force you to do anything

[@TundraRage]

​@@TheAllu I can't even do normal mode because I don't build any other characters, my only built Anemo is Kazuha, and the only 2 Pyros I've built are Xiangling and Bennet.

[@BeautyBoy4577]

@@TheAllu thats exactly what i do already. Still a stupid take to just ignore this issue in my opinion.

[@Zukasaproductions]

I actually object to beeing able to farm all characters mats on all days. And I am actively building up my teams right now. Though I understand that it may be bothersome not beeing able to build the exact characters you want on a given day it also forces you to maybe build on another character this time. At some point you run into the trounce domain bottleneck anyway and can only progress MAYBE once a week. And that's fine by me. Gives the grind a little flair of a journey. Artefacts arent affected at all by the rotation and those are the most resin-consuming factor anyway. So if you want to build a given character no matter what you can always farm those. Furthermore, mora and guides for leveling up your charcs are avaiable all the time aswell. If you build up multiple characters they just vanish into the void very quickly, so stock up!

[@DiabloDBS]

I mean it's basically like those challenges in HSR where a certain type is pretty much required so you likely end up building some characters to bolster your team... like the Nihility one ended today i think... i had Herta build for the follow-up and Luka / Guinaifen build for the Nihility... still missed out on one star and was like "i'll do it later" just to forget about it :-X When it starts at the start of the month you pretty much got some time to build some characters that are not trial and then do it.. i'd say even for AR40~50 accounts it should be feasible to do within a month, especially since this feels much easier to do than the HSR challenge where you acutally need high talents and good relics (at least in my xp).

[@NikLoveGaming]

For me, the mode was not really hard but anoyying af. They make you want to make quick swap as the combat was fast pace while the gameplay was slow which is make the gameplay feel clunky as hell.

[@gerardocarbajal9060]

It’s hard because as a f2p player I don’t have enough anemo electro or Pryo characters to do the hard mode

[@1989encore]

is not if u are just lack of characters, and this is a gacha, if u love playin gachas, spend more time on it and build a couple more characters, simple as that.

[@gerardocarbajal9060]

@@1989encore I can’t even enter the hard mode because I don’t have enough characters not because I don’t have them built

[@olcysko5167]

I've been playing since 1.0. IT meant to be an endgame content. It's easy for me, because I spent a lot of time to wish and then build multiple characters. This is endgame. Building different character of different elements. Dont focus on only one or two and you will succeed. 🎉

[@FiniksLP]

Full cleared it when u save ur important characters for the boss fights (arrleccino for example) its easy done. The rest can be cleared with random 4 stars u have.

[@pxp_p]

I kinda had fun with this but as pointed out by Doro, I don't have a majority of my characters built or have many mid tier builds so I couldn't complete act 6. But the mode is actually fun

[@deltaplecks]

On both accounts. My wife's and mine (Both AR 59) i had no issues at all. All basic 4* units are build and a few 5*.

[@Evee_Shimada]

The one with the background castle, I instantly like said "Yo we're on Celestia?" I got instantly Celestia vibes

[@ПиЧуПиДо-ь5ь]

It's a "15 minute of gameplay once a month content" tbh. Only difficulty is upgrading character level to 70

[@SirSaif93]

Totally agrees with you in this but hope they don't force me use trial character that i don't own i don't like that part i skip character for rli don't like them don't force me to play and used them

[@larasakumoto394]

Wolfy is SO CUTE! I want to crochet a plushie of him so much! (But I lack time to crochet because of my job and also I will need to brainstorm how to do a few details of him too.) But I want iiiit