The International Archives - Fountain Hook

[@fernanbrigino8760]

The most humble comment I ever heard was: "Because... in the minds of Chinese people, we believe that a loss is a loss." "We, and the Chinese community, felt that we lost because we weren't as good as the others" -Banana #Respect

[@godfather_1023]

Fernan Brigino Agree

[@kelvindandan7267]

Fernan Brigino lol. you're chinese

[@throoming]

I was glad he shared that sentiment because dota has never been a game about fairness or balance, and it’s sad that monetization forces them to change things people are too stupid to work around like getting hooked into a fountain teleports. Everyone just wants to run and scream and cry “imba” or “op”, and anyone who disagrees simply can’t hang and needs to excuse their shitty playing ability by deeming in game mechanics that have been there for the longest time as unfair. There’s always a workaround, and the mechanics from Warcraft 3 are what made dota what it is by virtue of being held with in the boundaries of an old ass map making tool on an outdated game. Half the abilities and the reason they act the way they do are because of wc3 game mechanics, which newbies who have only played dota 2 are will never be able to grasp

[@Le0nHaRtIlLy]

meanwhile some pro player bitching its op and calling it unfair, afterwards failing to do the same shit.

[@philliplim3253]

I'm chinese and that's bullshit. Omegalul

[@JFran.]

Loda was bitching about fountain hook but i remember that he tried to do it in the last tournament before ti3 and he failed...

[@pholamin5658]

Yeah,i didnt remember exactly but he also tried once

[@bobjohnson5557]

Loda won a whole international abusing the heavy rat element of that patch. Moment ratting was no longer viable he faded into obscurity. He doesn't get to complain about shit.

[@giantasianstickerr]

Salty boi 😂

[@giantasianstickerr]

Imagine if [A] lost to Na`Vi in the final, Lulda will smack Dendi hard

[@danialahmed01]

@@giantasianstickerr puppey once beat the fuck out of a guy because he bad mouthed dendi :)

[@vitabuds6617]

Bug or not, FOUNTAIN HOOK IS ONE OF DOTA's MOST POPULAR TRADEMARK.

[@sugabbbs]

agreed

[@rafliyaumil8812]

agreed. dota 2 was like flavourless delicious food. fountain hook was the spicy.

[@vitabuds6617]

Rafli Yaumil and a very difficult recipe too! this needs practice and cooperation.

[@F4rl30d]

I don't consider it a bug! These guys make it look so easy! Go try it out for yourself, Then you will see.

[@vitabuds6617]

Farbod Yeh. it is not a bug. it is a skill!

[@chantimothy]

n0tail: "you can still win the game in that most weird way that hasn't been seen or done.." n0tail: "aNa lEt's Do CaRry IO!!"

[@syndrose3983]

Honestly it was ana's idea

[@nicmagtaan1132]

@@syndrose3983 and notail enabled it

[@I3ULL5HIT]

@@syndrose3983 it was Notail Idea to make it into a carry hero. Ana only said the heart on Io was broken as he had been playing it as a support with his friends.

[@Jo_x_han]

i remember about it XD

[@abbuzz9912]

@@I3ULL5HIT it was ana's idea, he played carry IO with his friends in pubs and proposed to try it.

[@w.christtachyon4200]

"You must respect the skill it took for the fountain hooks to happen" -ppd

[@miguelsoliven1820]

Ppd to the rescue! Loda still bitter af

[@paralyzer2304]

@@miguelsoliven1820 ppd before he gets salty

[@shapeshifter7676]

It also takes skill to stand out in the open against Pudge

[@MetalFaust]

Still a bug dude

[@akhsdenlew1861]

@@MetalFaust no it wasn't a bug. It was the way hook worked. Pudge hooked, and the hook would come back to the pudge no matter where the pudge is. Hook was returning to PUDGE, not to the location pudge initially used the hook first. It's not a bug, that was how hook worked back in the day. it was changed cus navi did something amazing not something buggy. Remember that this trick was pulled by the best chen and the best pudge in the world ( by far) at that time. It was NOT an easy thing to do, if it was easy to think and to do, then everybody would do it. Top players like loda ( who was crying like a baby cus he was too scared to face navi later on) tried this and failed.

[@os6552]

And notail won 2 TIs with weird play-styles. What a time to be alive.

[@Мандалорец-ж3ю]

O S I want OG play their pick’n’draft against open ai

[@vallecend6855]

4 spirits strats incoming for ti10 😂

[@sigosobreviviendoperoyanos9310]

2 weird play-styles ?? How ?? Could you tell me??

[@roninshahi1819]

@@sigosobreviviendoperoyanos9310 io carry?

[@froz3ncat]

@O K I wanna add on! Topson's Gyro Diffusal to counter Bristleback was such a surprise too. In hindsight it's perfectly logical, but that was out of nowhere.

[@kietnguyen7136]

DOES ANYONE ELSE REALIZED THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE INTERVIEWEES IS NOW A TI WINNER? INCLUDING NOTAIL, THEY KNEW!

[@omegastar1204]

Kiet Nguyen yes you’re right

[@cnwy95]

didnt know loda was screaming at the end of a match...sore loser hahahhahhaa

[@ahmadmarwanhadid9179]

Dang!

[@Dallows65]

TimboStyle_CNWY Loda was probably mad because he didn't want to face Na'Vi again for the grand finals. Alliance still won, but it only took them another 5 games against Na'Vi, and boy was it a grueling grand final.

[@Jakjer]

@@cnwy95 Loda didn't lose though? It was more the fact that Navi only won because of the fountain hook, which was as Dendi and Puppey said, way too strong. Still gotta hand it to them, they tried something new and it worked out well. If they perhaps practiced it before and knew of the bug itself, it would be a different story.

[@jamesj7072]

"Dendi: The Face of Dota 2" watching the fountain hook again after the Team Spirit win TI10.

[@dziqii]

Bulldog is the real face of Dota

[@johnkylebentulan2134]

Bulldog? Wtf hahahaha

[@lofihip331]

@@dziqii go home you're drunk

[@gokugaming5647]

@@dziqii bulldog lmao 😂

[@callofduckmobile4498]

@@dziqii Singsing is the real face of Dota

[@RicoGrafity]

like it or not.. fear or not... bug or not...imbalance or not... the navi fountain hook still the most fenomenal brilliant and biggest strategi on dota professional tournament in history... and the important thing is the audience enjoyed that match

[@glr9667]

this guy and his comment deserve some beer

[@RicoGrafity]

im not an alcoholic bro, just a cup of tea please

[@kenchua8785]

They don't understand the fact that the match was a Captain's draft - meaning that both teams have the chance to ban the heroes or pick the heroes to use for fountain hook. It is indeed one of the best strategy besides the old Earthshaker's fissure crep stacking at the radiant top lane.

[@Vordhosbn]

I'll give you some english classes ya twit.

[@MrThalion]

Yeah, waste a very important first ban for a bugged hero which is not in the meta and get outdrafted from youre oponents... 3k players... You don´t have to ban chen for doing this by the way, it also works with other heroes like kunka for example.If Navi would have lost that way, the community would have a totally different opinion. I flame Valve for allowing this, not Navi. When you can win so much money, they should take it more seriouse.

[@RagnaroekChaos]

Not pictured: Loda trying this exact strategy two months prior to TI3 and failing the timing every time.

[@Herjos]

maybe he just understand and learn the chinese thought

[@sniperunro641]

video.?

[@doggo4918]

Do you have a source on that? Or am I just to believe you? Cause no one would lie on the internet, right?

[@5620martin]

where can we see that? do you have a link ¿?

[@reubenhson]

anyone can hit a few hooks.

[@boi7933]

*Notail:* "Dota is like life you know, shit happens you have to deal with it."

[@yodahn4750]

if "shit happens" means IO carry in ti9, how do you deal with that?

[@jefterlauglaug8096]

@O K they cant afford to just focus bully on ana IO tho, topson at that time was a far more of a threat in team fights if he gets fat from the space created by liquid bullying ana io.

[@jefterlauglaug8096]

@O K bruh you were talking about the ana io carry in the grand finals in TI and now you reply me with Topson tiny? Topson was Gyro on that last match in the finals with Ana as the IO carry and even with ana as the pos 1, topson can still be a formidable main carry in that match with ana io supporting and boosting topson's gyro dps while still be able to dish out a great dps with io's spirits against liquid.

[@jefterlauglaug8096]

@O K yeah and when OG decides to go with ana's shenanigans, topson usually adjusts and picks a reliable carry hero.

[@mohdfarid7765]

@@jefterlauglaug8096 it is OG who pick carry hero name Topson in Dota . they should ban Topson

[@Rado_0]

I love the mentality of Tongfu. They took the defeat like champions. They panicked that's why they lost. If you miss the hook it's a 4 vs 5 situation you bound to lose the fight and probably the game. It was dangerous to use fountain hook, Navi still pulled it of. Bravo.

[@joserijalkasyasyaf9723]

Yep, i dont get it why people mad with fountain hook, its literally hard to pull it off and its a high risk and high reward but the risk is higher😂

[@LorelynF]

Good times.

[@earlstorm]

hi po ate lorelynf

[@christiangabriel7191]

ate lorelyn

[@christiangabriel7191]

+daberino peperoni f

[@geroldindapan4527]

oi

[@ChefONator5000]

ay lmao lorelyn

[@Gabrielbarsch]

i love the ''valve cinematic'' part

[@JollerMcAwesome]

the SFM?

[@mk3Howitzer]

He uses a service to get likes on his comments that no one actually cares about. SImilar to mg-likers or something. You can speculate from there what kind of person would need such a thing... youtube comment likes... heh...

[@BlayZinn]

You do realise he'll soon remove these comments or try and act as if he doesn't use it at all.

[@Gabrielbarsch]

***** oh no thats terrible i would never do such a thing

[@TristanArthurs]

yo long time im threedimensia remember me hahaha

[@NoName-se1dl]

I like the chinese players quote : "if it's lose then it's a lose" ...

[@jho2291]

+Andrei Diana No, its not sarcasm. The thing about the chinese pride is; if they fail, its not anybody else's fault, it just means they need to get better. I listened, there was no sarcasm in his voice.

[@jho2291]

Andrei Diana Tho those gamers are seperate from their government, they can't have control over that.

[@omium4917]

+Andrei Diana don't bring national problems to the table of esports to support your racsim views ffs

[@lul6124]

Then why isnt your shitty island fighting against china? Your island is a 3rd world failure, you wimp. All your countrymen are wimps for not fighting for what is theirs. China: We take your shit. You + your people: You take our shit. *cries to the rest of the world how "unfair" it was. Typical 3rd world logic.

[@chantimothy]

lol i can't see the comment, what did she write??

[@crumblysandals2566]

"you can still win games in the most weird ways" Yeah ti9 io core

[@Corrupted]

Nowadays supports becoming cores mid/lategame is almost always a thing, as a support player I absolutely love this new meta lol

[@shapeshifter7676]

OG pick Io Core Loda: It's not fair! It's not fair! Disqualification!

[@T.a.r.d]

Yeah I lose to a Io and that only destroyed the mid lane towers with sniper when it was late game because my team was toxic and didn't want to push when we could have won😓

[@kaungkhant632]

And diffusal gyro

[@dceu1256]

Flashbacks from dota 1 where kotl midlaner

[@doktorfickle2077]

I love dendi's reaction. "it's not fair! it's not fair! disqualification!"

[@crestantine]

notail is like the wise old man in this video lol

[@OceanFullHouse]

with a kid's face and voice. lol I used to hate the guy but now its just lol

[@williambryant1672]

I love that man. No homo.

[@cypherusuh]

that's why he's bigdaddy

[@생맥주포도주]

Truth : nubtail

[@vnshngpnt]

Too bad there is no thing like jesus

[@tingispingis]

Lmfao how ironic that one of the few people that aren't salty about the fountain hook is PPD.

[@paulziem7969]

LOL, so right, it just hit me, Loda is just a hater.

[@hakivin]

stupid loda cant even respect

[@iamchampion8]

it wasnt his team which lost. thats why

[@lunglung1995]

I like how he tried to do this once in a tournament before and failed and then became salty when navi tried it Rofl

[@Julliant]

PPD wasnt playing dota at the time, he wouldn't really have a lot of reason to be.

[@potatowarrior88]

I love how dota doesn't try to hide or forget its bugs and mistakes they understand that these things are a part of the game and they cherrish and memorialize it.... and it is beautiful❤️

[@ashlike270]

That’s why Icefrog was never mistaken for choosing Valve to develop Dota 2. If it was another company who may have handled the game, it will be a game that is made to spoonfeed crybaby players’ whims and whines. Gigachad Dota 2 is different from the ripoffs though.

[@luisvilca4467]

That wasn't a bug just stretched mechanics

[@chupasaurus]

@@luisvilca4467 It was a bug since it wasn't there in DotA. Remember that DOTA2 was tied to WC3 map up to 6.83.

[@emojest18]

@@chupasaurus I think it's connected to the blink hook. And they also removed it.

[@chupasaurus]

@@emojest18 Yep, the difference was in hooking to Pudge's current position, not when the hook was casted. Same thing was fixed with Shackleshot (WR could blink to guarantee the shackle) a bit after.

[@haniframadhan1980]

its unfair or bla bla u can talk anything, BUT its HISTORICAL moment of dota2 like notail said "u can win the game even in a weird ways" I agree with him. THIS IS DOTA DUDE!

[@ihvdrm]

And his team won ti8 XD

[@ltetseo9079]

Yea...bro hi five...

[@diaogewang2742]

Five

[@hoanganphanle]

@@ihvdrm oh boy, not just TI8

[@100daysgaming6]

and his team already for 3 win TI now !!! wait and wait.. topson and sumail . maybe give suprise

[@jersterdota]

I understand how loda felt, I woulda felt the same way If I was watching that as a pro player, but as a fan it was insane to watch! Really love the Chinese community to about the situation, very humble!

[@yukyukait]

if loda or s4, and akke with chen would do it, they must do it

[@kourukou]

they try before TI and fail, thats why he's salty

[@fbs753]

He won TI3, I'm pretty sure thats not why he is salty, n00b.

[@yukyukait]

the rage was before they won

[@dr.bartholini9012]

holyshit, shoutout to the chinese community, so much respect for you guys

[@weebactivitieschannel3167]

You know , this not first time you watch this and you getting older every time you watch.

[@infinitygauntlet101]

Notail: You can still win games on the most weird ways that hasnt been seen or done Also Notail: Lets Pick Tide mid and Io Carry

[@quantumdots1113]

I think its game 3 of lgd vs og of ti 2019

[@rustyrev5391]

It worked

[@lyonvensa]

I still don't understand why Loda is the only one so worked up about the fountain hook. Even Banana, whose team lose to that strat, says it's mostly their fault for 'not playing good enough', and ppd even knows how hard it is to pull it off, especially in a such important match.

[@DarkheroNateX]

different players different views

[@Devin1pm]

Maybe he was afraid to play against navi..

[@lyonvensa]

Devin1pm That's one possibility... Fountain hook is unreliable, though, and it can be countered by supreme vision and map control, something which is Alliance is good at.

[@Blekkkkkkkkk]

because he FELT bad for the CHINESE who lost because of such a bug.

[@lyonvensa]

Truth But the Chinese aren't complaining. They know how to counter it, but it's a bit too late.

[@bayekofsiwa5847]

I didnt know that the most salty person about it is Loda..... He's literally angry about it more than Tongfu XD

[@abychrysler9368]

i wonder why... he's not even part of that game...

[@Galactic123]

Probably because he didn't want to play against NaVi.

[@bubblemage1791]

I think it was partly just because the fact that it was the 3rd of 3 games and that Na'Vi was loosing really bad early on, thus when Na'Vi won in a way that wasn't entirely possible to counter, other than just map awareness and positioning, it felt like an unclean win. But the fun stuff like this, it makes some of the best memories for almost everyone. :D

[@OriginalPuro]

You need to learn what cheating means.

[@abychrysler9368]

that's ridiculous way to win but, that's part of that current patch soo.... can't complain about it tho...

[@bunnyfreakz]

Hao and Xiao just chilling there while Loda got salty. lol

[@legion160]

well you can see they are mad after the loss 3:05, but they accepted it because they were still mistakes.

[@raymondtedja7377]

And you know they blaming themselves not the bug That what i like from them

[@tioadiph]

Agree with u Raymond, that's what make me Respect Chinese dota more

[@007RAJKOify]

because he knew he will need to beat them in finals.Also he tried same strat month before and failed miserably lol.

[@dingus6073]

Probably the biggest reason they got so far. They're willing to reflection how they could have played better instead of blaming the tactics of the other team.

[@eldenhor737]

1:06 - his hand is shaking so much, I can't imagine how much adrenaline players have at such a crucial moment

[@reevus01]

One thing he had in common with Invoker

[@forchinski]

Such a small detail that I never would've noticed without you pointing it out. That is nuts

[@LucyRennn]

guy in the back : egg and chicken who come first....?

[@Bigfootuss]

@@LucyRennn HAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHHA

[@rijallconnie]

I'm not realize that until you pointing it LOL

[@insanity7538]

Looks like Loda lost a couple of rares there

[@pemudabergairah]

inSanity753 common*

[@DassRoc]

christ what a crybaby

[@FuckencioEscobar]

loadingscreens for sure

[@kylelogrono1147]

just letting you guys know there was a match where loda tried the fountain hook just before this happened and failed so miserably. I forgot who was matched up against them though.

[@kylelogrono1147]

it was and unknown team

[@lospamuk]

Who's here after TI9. N0tail: You can win with weird ways that haven't been seen or done.

[@hahatrumpets3536]

notail looks damn fresh now compared to old notail. goddamn

[@gfriendisnotcrazy2425]

io carry

[@azrael8904]

We all knows that no matter how many strong players will get in the game Dendi will always be the face of DOTA.

[@homeboy8389]

too bad he got caught in the height of the #METOO movement

[@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999]

@@homeboy8389 huh what happened

[@nathanhosea489]

​@@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999 Nothing. He mistook Dendi for Tobi-Wan

[@kisskisstheboss464]

A legacy that will remain a legend forever.Thank u Dendi Thank you NAVI

[@hectoriiinuqui9213]

Fountain Hooking isn't 'Wrong' Is Animation Cancelling Wrong? Is Creep Blocking Wrong? These tactics are all things that was discovered by the Community Yes, they were unintentional but we made them part of the Game

[@marcsabaulan4974]

aswell as creep stacking.

[@chemicalrage4196]

Good point, that originated as a bug but everyone accepted it.

[@noelnotorious.6]

Loda is just salty cuz he want to play with chinese, but still they beat navi anyway.

[@chloegrobler4275]

to be fair those are all explainable with lore or basic understanding that u can 'cancel' a movement

[@SeanBracks]

Lore has nothing to do with it. It's a mechanic in the game.

[@deku709]

"Dota is still the same. You can still win games in the most weird ways that never been seen or done" Big words from your *Ti8 Champ*

[@Sputin]

And Ti9 lol

[@travismailsa1]

Still gives me chills. The precision and timing was unreal

[@jasondavinraj2956]

It's been 7 years since the fountain hook and it's still amazing to watch ❤️

[@fikriniamtamimi4383]

now its 10

[@darrenphilip3363]

“THE BIGGEST FUCKING JOKE I'VE EVER SEEN" - Lulda TI3

[@johnanthonyarcillas1254]

how about lulda's sphere or getting eliminated by an open qualifier team? I think that is the biggest joke.

[@johnanthonyarcillas1254]

but PPD also have point, if that "bug" is unbalance. people would have done it but its not. That "bug" have a very high skill cap (its just that dendi and puppey made it look so easy) . I mean, of course i can see that its pretty bullshit to literally kill a fat gyro with aegis twice with just one hook but it is only fair to give navi that win since they didn't really messed the game, it just one of those loopholes they found in the game due to the fact that dendi plays a monstrous pudge and puppey play an insane Chen. Besided, lulda also tried this strat and didnt even succeed.

[@johnanthonyarcillas1254]

besides, its not rly a bug. Its an imbalance game mechanic.

[@lester8190]

+John Anthony Arcillas An imbalance inside of the game would be Sniper and spectre during the 6.83 era. Fountain hooking on the other hand is an error or flaw inside the game, which results in an unexpected result. The intention of the developers was the fact that an affected target would be pulled towards pudge. If their intention ever was to get the target into the fountain, they simply would give him an global hook. So in someway it fills the criteria of a bug. I mean, at one point in the history of Dota, you could get up to four enemey heroes to your fountain. It was never done in a pro game, but you could do it. And it got removed for the same reason. In was an unexpected failure of the software, which in other words means "bug" Hell even today, the same ability, who could achieve that, sometimes bugs out and teleports both the caster and the target to a certained point on the map..

[@johnanthonyarcillas1254]

it aint a bug. If you want to be exact, game mechanic abuse is the word. I mean, sure the developer didn't intend to make that available in the game, but because of very special circumstances (Dendi being the best pudge in the world and Puppey being one of the best chen players in the world) this game mechanic abused is formed. Besides, i doubt people would start winning games because by copying it. In fact, i could say that this has much lower winning percentage than a sniper in 6.83.

[@redevilmao]

I undertsand Loda's point of being a mechanic abuse that can really break the game, but on the other hand it takes serious balls to pull that off and that alone deserves respect. First of all you need to draft Pudge on your team in such a big stage which was (and still is) quite unorthodox Hooking someone at a TI stage is quite hard because, lets be honest, we're talking about the best players in the world, they will be prepared and have cat reflexes to dodge the hook. Then the amount of coordination required to pull that move is insane. You needed 2 players to coordinate their spells in a 1 second window without counting the hook travel time and distance. I think thats why the chinese didnt mind about it, they recognize that they should be dodging those hooks in the first place and they know that dota always was an high risk high reward game., and tbh thats why i love this game. Im so glad i got to watch this game live.

[@tanzhengann7272]

I missed the old Navi so much...

[@SSSqage]

Dondo pls

[@LolLol-bb1je]

ITS not bug noob its skill , the hook fly and chen tp pudge home and hook is still there and get a hero ,where the hook will go to pudge because its not Bug . IF they say that a bug that mean normal hook to lang is bug and . The point is that pudge hook should go back to pudge or what dude those noob . They know Comback is real . Kk who say bug tell Comback is bug ?

[@jamilahyusuf8467]

+Lol Lol try do the combo it now.. if you cant mean they fix it and wht they fix it.. cause it bug.. you know what is bug??

[@shrikexd6384]

Your English Gaved me Ebola

[@shrikexd6384]

RULE#322 Before engaging in a comment fight make sure your english is good

[@ChristianGiegerich]

No matter if the fountain hook was bug-abusing or not...it made Dendi the immortal player he deserves to be and it was one of the iconic moves that went down in Dota history...well deserved!

[@jrbudoybudoy]

Every TI Winner should be immortalized. They won it as a team.

[@moekhainecroxx33]

In 2020, still one of the most legendary come back stories in dota.

[@ZBovin03]

Even 2021

[@glennwhelan2819]

Even 2022

[@kelvinfrantino]

Even 2023

[@weliketotastethelove]

fountain hook requires high skill hats off to dendi

[@yuugenr7549]

cole anderson especially in tournaments

[@nonsensecrusade2741]

lol not at all. I was fountain hooking back with 300 hours.

[@shafiqnorddin7806]

High skill move? Are you fucking kidding me?

[@okkydirgantaraohara126]

It was not easy to pull off, yes, but the effort is not equal to the result. Is it balanced for 2 underfarmed heroes to kill 1 carry with full item that easily?

[@akhsdenlew1861]

@@okkydirgantaraohara126 if it was THAT easily, everyone would've been doing it. Loda even tried that, and failed. But instead only dendi and puppey had the balls to go for it in the middle of a TI losing match and pull it off, making them win the game. Hats off for that.

[@YosepRA]

Ahh, yes... The time of Pudge wannabes and the Dragon Claw hook's stock price rose through the sky. I'm in tears. Dota was the biggest part of my youth.

[@serithaoakwood9365]

I just come back here to see Dendi and Puppey sitting right next to each other again

[@shubhampathak3291]

the best part Notail's word of wisdom for me

[@aleksjeff3088]

He was wrong when he said that Hao could just TP out though. He couldn't TP out, not with aegis not after.

[@shubhampathak3291]

Ya that's true but was just giving example

[@KagirinaiYonaka]

you can. i've tested it. you can still cast spells and channel a tp while get fountain hooked.

[@aleksjeff3088]

Big Smoke He was dead there no matter what.

[@KagirinaiYonaka]

Aleks Jeff probably. like notail said probably, probably, probably.

[@emils4049]

Honestly, I never considered the fountain hook to be a bug. It was just another of those crazy and fun strats that you could use in DotA and it worked so well because Navi could actually pull it off in a tournament. Navi is still today remembered today as the team that could adapt to any situation. At that time they embodied what DotA is all about: everything and anything is possible in this game. And I´m glad that it didn´t change when they removed it. The difference today is that there are many more teams that have become as flexible as Navi was, to the point of surpassing them. Anyway, the fountain hook was a two edged sword, you could triumph brilliantly if you made it work or lose horribly if you failed the hook, so I don´t know what Loda´s problem is/was...

[@MrMysterioso]

Wow, so much respect for TongFu. I loved their attitude concerning the loss. Kudos to them!

[@gwapaover6492]

Loda: IS THIS BALANCED?! Gaben nd Icefrog : As all things should be my child

[@kianneumann9816]

Despite everything else, can we talk about how awesome it is to see Puppeh and Dendi sitting there together?

[@randomguy8277]

IKR these crazy rabid guys, just arguing about fountain hooking is a bug exploit and shit. and im just sit here thinking. isn't that puppey sitting next to dendi?

[@nobblkpraetorian5623]

It's great to see them still being mates after Puppey left Navi so long ago.

[@TheBLACKLIZT]

+Nobblk Praetorian well from what i see, the people from pro dota 2 community is all but enemy. they are all friends that just separated by teams.

[@RhenAye]

OMG IKR. but I heard Puppey's going back to Navi.

[@kianneumann9816]

Rhen Aye if he does Na'Vi instantly win all 4 majors

[@2tangoplsty613]

5:06 the reason why Chinese people excel in most of sports in the whole damn world

[@higgsboson7747]

3rd in Olympic medals(22) behind the United States (33) and the U.K. (26)

[@steelcry6665]

that is still pretty damn good though.

[@higgsboson7747]

+Cole Strathman until you realize that there are 1.5 billion people in China, and only 65 million in Europe.

[@maximkazhenkov11]

The US has 46 gold medals, UK has 27 and China 26. Also Europe has 500+ million people not 65 million. Also on a per capita basis Bahrain beats all three in gold medals.

[@moonrider4810]

Does chinese ever win fifa world cup..?

[@dawehl]

"Biggest joke I have ever seen" - Loda (Rat Loda)

[@insincere5794]

Fountain hook requires precision and trust both to your teammates perspective as well as focus.That can't be perfectly be just a bug. Those timing became one of renowned scenes in the game

[@despairazure4650]

I think the most vicious thing that Puppey had ever done was having 10% cuts.

[@tom594]

Loda too salty the fountain hook was actually a part of the dota physics plus it needs timing to be done. They didnt remove fountain hook because it was unfair, it was removed because everyone would focus trying to do it

[@ManBitter]

More of a player interaction thing came in play. Like getting hooked and just dying in a combat is ok since it doesn't seem too bs. It's a player vs player thing. Even after you get hooked, there are options. But fountain hook made it seem like a player vs game thing where the only way to prevent it is either banning it or 'just dodge it' - 0 options. This kind of mechanic in my opinion is not so healthy for the game.

[@chetanaik]

It is still using the regular hooking mechanism, but required incredible timing and skill on Navi's part to pull off. If you can dodge a regular hook, you can dodge these. Besides, with a fountain hook, you have enough time to teleport back to base while being hooked. It's not as unfair as it seemed.

[@cytyy8531]

Lol we even did that before it was change? Timing? everyone can do that if they know the cast delay tskkk

[@johnkramer9536]

I think its pretty unfair. But in navi's case i think it was fair cause they tried to come up with something for them to turn the tides. Creative even though pressured

[@TheEccedentesiastX]

Lul. "If you know the casting delay..." Back into the good old days, we don't have this casting time bar, so what's your point?

[@jamalkhan9021]

Every time i watch this i think about Dendi's skills and it gives me chills :)

[@MidTechiesEnjoyer]

Loda: "is that balanced? " Meanwhile at TI3 finals Alliance: *Rat Dota*

[@Ike92240]

rat dota's not a bug though

[@MidTechiesEnjoyer]

@@Ike92240 not saying it was but it was fucking unbalanced because back-door protection wasn't a thing back then. Imagine you're about to win and you haven't lost a single tower then they just take your towers using np tp and relocate

[@andreasbakseter712]

@@MidTechiesEnjoyer Bakcdoor protection was definitely a thing in 2013.

[@jovrieljaballa1548]

The thing is not everyone can do fountain hook (you need skill to do it) meanwhile, we do not need skill to rat.

[@trihermawan9553]

@@jovrieljaballa1548 you definitely need skill to rat, the timing, the position and observations are also skill

[@terophl5911]

What a big difference in European and Chinese teams, when Loda yells about bugs and abuses of the game and a Chinese player who says that loss is loss

[@Todsor]

Since when Loda represented entire Europe from Spain to Russia? Did Chinese team also represent all Asian countries?

[@realmoonknight]

@@Todsor he said chinese, not asian teams.

[@just_some_bigfoot_hacking_you]

@@Todsor So you don't know what's the difference between "European" and "Europe."

[@Todsor]

@@just_some_bigfoot_hacking_you Have you ever seen the dirt calling itself" Europe" or "Asia"? Go figure you smartass-wanna-be dumbass. I am not talking about territory but occupiers.

[@zwazas]

@@Todsor Calm down Teroph is probably just some ignorant American or something similar since he speaks about Europe as if it is a country even tho it contains 44 countries with all unique cultures.

[@Randoman590]

It was definitely the right call to remove the Fountain hook interaction, but I'm so glad this happened at least for a while. The memories are precious.

[@musyaffaazka]

RESPECT @4:49

[@eduardusadrian4002]

damn...true that and ppd line was so wise

[@williamnelson2046]

loda never stops whining but he is super chill

[@carlfrancisco4300]

+EMPEROR HAN Chinese peeps are literally one of the best players in Dota if you ask me. I played in a Chinese server once, and I lost 247 mmr in 3 days

[@panwascambunuthilir5664]

wait what ???? i'm indonesian man, what are u talkin about

[@wizlie2376]

good sportsmanship!

[@MrHeliMan]

I come back to this video from time to time when I lose all hope in my life. It lifts me up. Always.

[@tequila-1770]

Lol notail : u can still win games in weird way.. Win ti9 with io carry ..... This dude is unpredictable.

[@brodiesharpe2775]

Respect to the best comeback in Dota 2! Dendi has legendary status for life!

[@georgedevries3992]

Legendary status in video gaming? No sir thats not considered as legendary stuff.

[@quietstream8206]

George de Vries It definetly is a legendary play. The skill it took to do that and how close they were to actually losing is phenomonal.

[@sabhanarrizki3306]

the best comeback is OG

[@DOZY69]

@@georgedevries3992 so you are saying that somehow you are more successful thn dendi ? So what did you achieve other thn being salty over here ?

[@georgedevries3992]

@@DOZY69 I didn't say that I am successful. Just saying that such "legendary" stuff happening in video games, aren't legendary. Now try to pull such things off irl. Now THAT is legendary. P.S. Keep your petty attempts to insult to yourself, unless you are in the right.

[@jagarsolon7137]

Notail has a really deep knowledge with his way of words. He could be a philosopher.

[@vikaskyatannawar8417]

He practices everynight before sleep.

[@BelegaerTheGreat]

Bro have you ever read a single paragraph written by a philosopher?

[@Marcos-k8x]

N0tail fat = 0 TI N0tail skinny = 2 TI

[@internetexplorer9551]

i mean, who wouldnt be skinny after life fucked n0tail so hard, he won 2 aegis

[@Ubahjew]

Now he's fat again

[@haroldryandizon790]

@Jebaited LUL yeah most likely. The stress after Fly, Cr1t and S4 left OG then finding one more player to fill in for mid role. Glad they found Topson and Ana came back then Ceb took the offlane role.

[@ItsWil]

You can discredit the game but in reality like Dota is still the same, you can still win games in the most weird ways that haven't been seen or done. -

[@TjoaWeiHan]

shits happen nigga

[@TheOneMastodon]

I actually think that Loda is on-point here and justified in making a scene (although he didn't do it in the most dignified way). Keep in mind that Alliance play Na'Vi after this. The fountain-hook is a carry-over mechanic from DotA 1 days where the hook would mimic the movement of the pudge and the end-point trigger in the original skill was to pull the target to Pudge's location right at the moment of impact or max hook extension. It is not technically a "strat" in itself, although it *does* require skill, planning, timing and nerves of steel to pull it off. The reason it was removed was because it was deemed unfair to a team that had played well, been ahead the whole game and had the advantage (a big chunk of it) removed with little-to-no cost for the other team. Two fast-cooldown skills with no risk to the heroes using them do not merit the takedown of an Aegis carrying, semi full-slotted hard carry. When a fountain hook hits you, there's almost nothing you or your teammates can do to save you. It outpaces buyback cooldown, goes through BKB, has crazy range and completely destroys 1-core strats. The reason Na'Vi was allowed that win was because it was such a crazy move to do that nobody had thought of utilising it prior. The sheer creativity was mind-blowing. The crowd *loved* it, this had never been done before. Much less on a professional level. Valve had no precedent (although them removing it was the right move). And let's face it, this definitely makes the top ten list of greatest things to have ever happened in DotA. This was fucking cool. Hats off to the attitude the Chinese players have here. They look first to themselves for areas where they can improve and take the loss in their stride, never complaining or bitching about this OP (yet fucking cool) mechanic. They just look for ways to overcome it and blame themselves for not being better. Imo, this was what made Chinese teams so great.

[@TheOneMastodon]

Edit: I could be very wrong about the carry-over mechanic. In DotA 2, it seems more like the hook drags the target back to the position of Pudge while the hook is still extending.

[@nickkuntzler9555]

The fountain hook was never in Dota 1

[@TheOneMastodon]

I meant hook mechanics, but yeah I think you're right. I don't remember any fountain-hooking in DotA 1

[@Blekkkkkkkkk]

thats pretty dignified idk why everyone are soft

[@Blekkkkkkkkk]

we are talking about millions of dollars here. Loda was pretty nice to stand up for the chinese

[@taihan0920]

2019 still love this..

[@CoCo-vp2xm]

2021

[@AKHILPOKLE]

5:42 "games can be won in most weird ways" Ana - io, topson diffusal gyro

[@jerickjoshuaorlanes7399]

I miss the Puppey-Dendi tandem. The most notorious ever.

[@guillermogerrycabrera7625]

2:11 the madlads actually created a cinematic to fountain hook thats amazing lmao

[@juraganalfi5819]

okay im playing dota again after 2yrs.. this vdeo always gets me back into the game.. reminds me what dota is all about... the fountain hook is one thing but what the players comment what moves me...damn i love dota...

[@alirezaheidari6829]

u just can see the adrenalin rush on Dendi by watching his fingers on the keyboard at 1:06

[@novoicegamer5203]

i think loda is jealous about fountain hook,cuz he can't do it😂😂

[@DeeBabyxD]

Coming from the guy that abused the lack of backdoor protection and spammed Wisp and NP.

[@joenatello5777]

Yeah he cant do it

[@chapolim360]

NOt saying that lodad was right. But this is completely different. It was a BUG, you shouldn't hook someone to the fountain. Using NP to backdoor was just a strategy. not a bug abuse.

[@Senbonzakuraaaapp]

joão Paulo Medeiros then they should just ban the hero on draft

[@markelmerpepito735]

No Voice Gamer this shit makes me think that dota is full of awesomeness i cant forget this game navi longlive dendi!! Woooh

[@Lebroish]

I just love how dota allowes you to go for unique and versatile combinations. I dont think ive played any moba that is so good gameplay wise.

[@Rahman111super]

Самое приятное в этом мувике, это то, что Денди и Пуппей наконец вместе!!!

[@heisenberg5766]

If not for this, TI4 wouldn't have $10M prizepool.

[@guyinspideysuit7500]

why ? can u explain to me

[@Corrupted]

@@guyinspideysuit7500 Huge gaming moment that made the news -> more sponsors -> more hype -> more viewers Same thing why OG is probably the best thing that ever happened to dota, long lasting games need interesting stories, just look at csgo and how many memorable moments it had

[@thebloodyblock]

It's actually balanced. It's not an easy trick, pretty risky too if failed, losing a carry in the middle of a team fight is tough. And also Pudge's hook is programmed like that. The same as the old Pudge in Dota 1.

[@zxcvbnmllk]

Ser Arthur Dayne, Sword of the Morning it was a legit strategy

[@steventricahyadisurya8035]

Legit you said? Then why it got immediately patched after?

[@henrychai1000]

Steven Tri Cahyadi Surya you are fucking stupid idiot

[@gutenman7112]

Exploiting a glitch in the game especially on the international is not "fun" . Its ridiculous .. its like hitting the ball on to the hand of the opponent so you would get a free kick in soccer .

[@EmpyreanDreamer]

It's not a glitch if it was intended to be there. The hook mechanic worked exactly the same in the original dota, they wouldn't have replicated it exactly in dota 2 if they didn't feel it was intended to be there. The only reason it was removed after this was due to the backlash and whining of people like you. There are plenty of things in dota which work like this and its one of the reasons the game is so loved. Also is not like these were easy plays. Whether you think of it as a bug or not that was not an easy comeback, there's serious skill to get that so called "bug" right and actually take advantage, its not like its an easy mode win if you use it. As they say in the video at the end of the day these were pros, they shouldn't have been out of position to get hooked in the first place, that is why they lost.

[@Muzzleminer]

4:52 "my nigga"

[@lawrencedivina8395]

hahahahaha

[@aibar4434]

Hahahahh

[@jaspergumayagay9372]

ROFLMFAO

[@mohammedalbelbeisi2028]

Niggah in Chinese language means "that" so yeah :P

[@racasYT]

Meanwhile in SEA SERVER . bobo me mid give me 2 tangoes and 1 ward.

[@leonickjosechico6853]

LAHAT KASI NG PINOY NA NAGDODOTA PURO BOBO, NAGKAKALAT LANG KAYO SA DOTA NAKAKAHIYA TALAGA KAYO

[@elalexsantos3150]

Nicole Nicole youre no different bro

[@vhinceagra4213]

@@elalexsantos3150 tru

[@marshallvisualarts9097]

@@leonickjosechico6853 kagayang mong cancer

[@jemgonzaga8114]

@@leonickjosechico6853 pilipino ka den e ogag

[@jamirgamer2194]

Legends say Loda still yelling "is that balanced??? 😂

[@The_real_Arovor]

Jamirbendang Sungba Legends say he‘s still butthurt 😂

[@akhsdenlew1861]

he was too scared to face navi. He won in the end, but at that time he was scared as fuck

[@numb2386]

@@akhsdenlew1861 you know that navi get fucked in upper bracket 2-0 after this right?

[@CHAPI929292]

4:51 "I tell my nigga, dont worry..."

[@jcl2435]

Glorious

[@1247111]

4:19 *CHUAN GOT HOTDOGS IN HANDS*

[@philsajor6724]

fucking got baited to this damn it

[@luisji1986]

fresh meat. baby.

[@sengaizai26]

it's his finger

[@rahadianlintang5526]

"hmmm fresh meat"

[@I3ULL5HIT]

To those that keep backing up Loda. Please read this and this help to explain why Tongfu players don't even get mad at the hook they got mad at their core instead Loda was the only super salty dude there. There's a reason why Dendi fountain hook was considered Miraculous. It was not a bug to begin with. That was the feature of pudge hook since Dota1. Pudge hook got a wording to it that states "pudge hook will pull the enemy towards his current location" and at that time you can hook and walk towards the enemy at the same time to shorten the distance so you can dismember much quicker there was even a force staff into a cliff hook combo back then pudge got many possibilities it's just quite impossible to be pulled of because. Firstly, you need a support with you always to help make these plays. Secondly, the precise timing required to do it is near impossible even the fountain hook you need to time it really well to throw the hook right at the moment when the chen teleport gonna send you back to the base if not the game registered your position is still at the place you hooked and not at your current position. Tha's why they totally reworked Pudge hook to only pull the enemy to his initial hook position. It was never a bug to begin with it's just how the hook worked but require god level of precision in timing that's why Tongfu was not salty about the hooks and why they said it was miraculous.

[@STAYCALMJUSTRIDE]

2020 still watch this,, the living legend of fountain hook

[@AzWanderers]

the sportsmanship showed at 4:47 is so commendable!

[@mosesliao1932]

Tell that to the Englishmen who still complain about the hand of god. lol

[@catastropher89]

The Chinese were calm and collected. Meanwhile, Loda invented Babyrage.

[@arjimbanuelos6823]

Valve Must Thanks Navi Because That's The reason why Dota Become popular

[@sairak7964]

LoL Fangays detected.

[@MarkLurvable]

I've been playing Dota for about 6 years now since Dota from WC3, till date only played 2 League games in my life. You actually don't even make sense. You're telling me a bug/abuse brings more people to the platform than TI2 wombo combos, TI1 enigma offlane, TI3 rats, TI4 deathball. You're funny, I like you.

[@arjimbanuelos6823]

Mark Chew In TI 3 Event Iam not Playing dota in that time then I hear a news about the fountain hook to my friends I don't know where but THE FOUNTAIN HOOK Is one of the reason why dota is popular and btw u talk like a pro huh

[@MarkLurvable]

Arjim Banuelos It is really hard to explain what I'm trying to get across here. In my opinion Dota2 is popular because the game mechanics, it's more competitive, endless combinations, more reactionary gaming compared, and less grinding required (compared to league which you need to unlock heroes, and although my grinding phase is over). Fountain hook in my opinion is just a bug, a normal bug you can find in every new patch. A bug WILL not be my choice whether the game attracts me or not, and I don't think that applies to any game. If CSGO had a bug where you could see through walls, do you think people are attracted? Whereas if CSGO had a mechanic where certain materials can be wallbang, do you think they are attracted better?

[@sairak7964]

Mark Chew +Arjim Banuelos What you gonna say to dat?

[@shrijankhatri6160]

True sportsmanship tongfu respect but dendi came out with that insane combo love all the teams in dota community

[@blahblahgdp]

Yeah loda im sure tongfu made no other mistakes

[@ronrogers1344]

Legend says Loda still mad at the fountain hooks

[@MrBooyon]

I remember staying home from school to watch that game live

[@supremoyt4699]

Dota 2 should have made an item "Fountain Hook" with the fountain effects, reminding this legendary game in the history of Dota2.

[@ziadahmad2440]

If that happens Dendi will return and see that

[@ziadahmad2440]

and all of us pudge wishes to have dendi hook skin

[@Nightmura]

This is one of the most immortal moments, in my opinion, in DotA 2 History. Great clip!

[@VietVuHunzter]

Navi always pull out the most iconic moments in Dota2 like this.

[@razordikz]

I remember the price of that dragonclaw hook just risen skyrocketting after that match

[@victorpaucarsalas3406]

"si perdemos significa que no fuimos tan buenos como los otros" Me quedo con esa humildad. Siempre vuelvo a ver esta jugada legendaria.

[@MoeruHoeru]

It's like a main character doing "Now or never!" Skill 😂 Amaziiiinggg

[@lordjaraxxus5418]

"you can still win games in the most weird ways that haven't been seen or done" just waiting for the techies moving mine ancient kill in the pro scene...

[@blahble162]

Loda is such a crybaby. The entire game of Dota is built on "bugs". Denying only exists because of a bug. Hook takes you to where pudge is. Chen can teleport pudge. Makes perfect sense.

[@Guah00]

True, but if Valve hadn't removed it from the game, every team would have learned it after seeing Na'Vi doing it. It makes sense, but would be the most overpowered thing in Dota. The fountain hook was a great moment in Dota history, but only because it was only ever done once.

[@akhsdenlew1861]

@@Guah00 no it wouldn't be the most overpowered thing in dota. All it takes is 1 ban. And ur teams needs good pudge and chen players.. u can't pick 2/5 heroes based on that trick.. cus if it fails u will get stomped so hard.

[@Guah00]

@@akhsdenlew1861 Maybe I exaggerated a bit, but it's still really overpowered unless it's nerfed so that the hooked target isn't stunned for the entire duration of the hook. Bans are valuable, and having to ban Chen or Pudge would give the opposing team a huge advantage in the drafting phase. And true, you'd need two players who are good at the heroes, but I think a lot of teams/players would learn just for the sake of fountain hooking. And Chen's Holy Persuasion now has global cast range so all he has to do is sit in base and use it on Pudge every time he goes for a hook.

[@akhsdenlew1861]

@@Guah00 This trick was pulled off by the best chen in the world and the best pudge in the world, it's already a mistake from tongfu side that they didn't ban them when dendi and puppey ravaged the whole tournament with those heroes. It's easy to say it's overpowered when it's accomplished by the best of the best. Seriously if it was easy anyone would be doing it. But people don't realise the BALLS it takes for someone to try this in the middle of a losing match in the TI. If the hook fails, u are forced to fight a losing 4v5 fight. It's a high risk high reward play, and very difficult to pull it off. Loda was just salty for 2 reasons : First, he had tried this trick and failed miserably. Second, he didn't wanna face Navi ( even though they won in the end)

[@aylanamikio5912]

@@akhsdenlew1861 how the fuck fountain hooking was high risk high reward? You have a long range spell, if you miss a hook, you just tp back and nothing happened, if enemy starts to force a 4v5, like in TI3 just going through a tower, they lose this fight after Pudge TP. Fountain hook is just a 100% better version of a normal hook. And about 'skill' that is involved in fountain hooking, is also not as high. You essentially just need to hit a hook. If you have proper vision and dewards(again like it was in TI3) it isn't harder than just hitting a regular hook, yes you need to line up with the tp to the fountain, but cmon, it isn't the mechanics which are tough for a PRO player. There are millions of things in dota which are more complicated and harder than fountain hooking. No one was doing it, because back then, even the refereee wasn't sure if that stuff was legal, and it was a pretty big controversy, and it had to be banned coz it was overpowered.

[@richardadriano2942]

Still love DOTA even i have family now.. still love watching best plays and replays of TI's.. More power to DOTA Community.. ❤️✌️👍