Remember When: Maps of the Past

[@taepro64]

Having 5 couriers, and an extra slot for TP plus 3 backpacks are a few of the best modifications to the game.

[@МатвейТычинин-ч5я]

but made dota much easier and casual

[@HoHhoch]

@@МатвейТычинин-ч5я So?

[@Test-mq8ih]

@@МатвейТычинин-ч5я ok dota elitist

[@enso8762]

@@МатвейТычинин-ч5я it really doesn't since everyone gets the benefits

[@maulanaiman4448]

@@МатвейТычинин-ч5я you can't win the game just because courier and tp..

[@roronoazoro2496]

Puppey wants to know the shrine developer location so he can throw some headphones at him.

[@bigpooporder3965]

Or machete

[@bimantoro17]

monkaS

[@luqmana586]

Definitely a machete

[@anharun]

He wanted to see the inside of the developers' thinking

[@tonkotsuramen8453]

@@anharun using the Machete

[@haepisaus]

Having only one courier back then was one of the things we can tell our children that they have a better life than us for those that didn't experience it.

[@lordfritzropero3666]

it was horrible esp for the supports that bought it bc mid players hog it all the time

[@einszwei1226]

Having one courier wasn't that bad. Having no courier was...

[@rg9448]

In SEA, everyone plays core so no one buy couriers back then Even more amazing time for us

[@cloudfffcois3303]

What is courier?old day sea never buy haha

[@weebemo1]

@@rg9448 SEA RareParrot and after you get fed up and tp back and buy it someones else hogs it for the whole game KEKL

[@死にたい-p4r]

Good old days where 30 mins have already past no one still bought courier and all went 5 carry

[@idmarilamri6398]

Damn I miss those beautiful times when I clicked so fast so my item delivered first

[@chl2161]

"I bought the courier already, you upgrade it"

[@TSPIRlT]

nope that's classic SEA dota

[@savinghumanity6661]

How bout cour not getting anywhere because 3 morons are fighting for it.(5 morons in SEA)

[@thoriqikhsanabdillahsyarif7029]

if not completed without f3 spam for courier

[@spacet1me]

They should've brought up all the different location of Rosh over the years.

[@tinhov1]

one of the casters suit up as roshan and explaining where he lived over the ages. being annoyed by all the home invaders (slacks as CM enter the pit and hit him once).

[@lugui]

this was my immediate thought, but I guess thare isn't much to be said about it anyway...

[@Sensorium19]

First thing I thought.

[@Sensorium19]

@@lugui Disagree. It used to define Dire side advantage.

[@xTobsecretx]

And roooooooons - there have been massive changes to runes over the years

[@bigwig8657]

Rip blink dagger side shop

[@bimantoro17]

Rip side shop

[@amplesstratleholm7609]

I remember that Gabbi Puck highlight (buying a Blink after a double kill, then selling it and buying it again) because of that side shop.

[@MrBloocchi]

Also arcane boots, that was a life saver.

[@idmarilamri6398]

And we can shop blade mail too

[@a2zistoolong448]

Side shop was damn good if we look back at it.

[@mfliwrld7786]

Valve never say anything just like that. This guy hinted that the outposts will be removed in the next update.

[@RB-mm7ce]

@Richard de Bonn if people wanted to play dota classic, they would just create it on their own as a game mode

[@thehound148]

@@RB-mm7ce there is

[@bjnazerigaming8302]

side shop back yea

[@tobivan3190]

I don't think they would remove them completely, a tp point in the middle of the map makes the late game faster in a good way

[@LevvyKlister]

yes please

[@posermetal8884]

The valve just poking into frame at 1:54 is a nice touch

[@ballzack1747]

Thats the back side head of a bald man

[@wazzzombie05]

@@ballzack1747 i think he removed it for the video and attached it to the cylinder

[@jenwilwisethe7686]

Where

[@wazzzombie05]

@@jenwilwisethe7686 on the left.. at that time frame

[@milosh226]

Smashing job Pyrion! Such and entertaining guy

[@theeutecticpoint]

Here only because Sir Flax is such a ham, it's fantastic!

[@lucianristache9725]

I find him really cringy

[@Polored1066]

Damn i feel old Back in the dota 1 days, giving control of the courier also meant giving control of your hero (xD) When the courier died, the items it carried would drop to the ground and could be destroyed by opponent (ZSMJ famously lost a sacred relic like that) The side shop had like only 3 items at the beginning, and one of these 3 was Bottle. You had to manually buy each component of an item to assemble it, and component were split into like 10 different shops displaying a dozen items each Trees would respawn every 5 (or 10?) minutes no matter what, do you could get stuck in the trees if you walked by as they respawned. Neutrals left corpses after dying, and those corpses would block the camps from respawning. Glyph didn't make buildings immune to damage (let alone the creeps), instead it would give +999999 armor so you could still destroy a tower 1 damage at a time Dota 2 is definitly a better game I predict outposts to be removed next, nobody seem to care about them, i don't even know what they do

[@frankcadillac1456]

Ok boomer

[@appsenence9244]

outposts might not be the best idea, I don't know, I haven't studies the idea well enough. But what I do know is that they offer some other thing than just "highground" inside of jungles that can make a team superior to the other. I don't think they're broken, and usually when something isn't strictly broken, it will always remain in dota. That's how it is.

[@Blue__Oni]

Nah, they are a decent mechanic, prevent your enemy from earning exp and teleporting to their side easier for pushes

[@arahyoonseul4174]

@@appsenence9244 the outpost was designed to end the game faster. People can now tp closer when pushing or defending

[@Polored1066]

@Ezio SF's swag combined with BKB's gigantism effect was so cool...

[@bananadrama1107]

5:17 Is this a foreshadowing of the outposts getting removed?

[@raghuvansh.agarwal]

exactly what i thought

[@jessierabino822]

nice catch there

[@ragekemi5471]

yup

[@leecast1721]

nah, they removing mid lane

[@Pcvro]

I think that's because watchposts used to be on the sideshop's location

[@rudolphstroheim122]

I started to play dota 2 again recently and I was quite surprised to find the side shops removed, multiple couriers, outposts, neutral items, a new place for Rosh, and such.

[@sodiumchloride3876]

welcome bro 😁

[@JuSt_SaVaGe-lx1tu]

Same me too back after 2 yearsss feels good mannn

[@itsmegolan]

This is so entertaining. Kudos to mr. pyrionflax and mr. slack 👍

[@mza3544]

I thought I was the only one who really really really enjoyed these little skits but I guess we all love em

[@aandrei1693]

Remember the days where the curier was left in an item box in the fountain up to when someone released it? Now that was brilliant!

[@JoJoDaClown2]

First one to die, activate courier.... dangit, what do you mean you forgot to... okay, 2nd person to die.

[@wellendoxairfix]

the good ol' days. "We got no courier guys. Somebody buy" *nobody buys it* *carry then buys it, half heartedly* "Please support go back to base to activate it, or die and activate it" *nobody dies or goes back for over 10 min* Sigh.

[@gorgit]

@@wellendoxairfix I actually miss those times xD

[@JoNarDLoLz]

As a Supp/Offlane, I miss the side shop. Being able to build Arcane boots without risking your life/waiting for courier is a blessing as a support. Also, sneakily buying Blink Dagger at the side shop has helped me escape multiple deaths, and making the safe lane cry with dagger + echo at 9-10mins lmao

[@yuuki3343]

Ahh, the side shop. The most dangerous place when there is techies. 😂

[@Titanokun]

As support player, Im very grateful on "everyone can have courier" update. No need to waiting for core player to use it first.

[@alfomo6670]

'Member the mids bottle crowing for 10 minutes? Goddamn that was annoying

[@Titanokun]

@@alfomo6670 we remember. XD

[@DrZaius3141]

Two months ago I made a reddit post about the changes that happened from every single TI to the next. Essentially, the number of significant changes from TI9 to TI10 was about the same as the number for everything before that. The title of the post was "Changes between TIs" if anyone's interested.

[@evgenykondrat1987]

7.00 was the biggest change ever as far as I remember. Basically it was a new game from then on.

[@genlibrus3c]

@@evgenykondrat1987 Dota 2.5

[@lulululu8952]

Did no one remember when there only one bounty rune spawn, and the one pick it get the gold?? I really miss that, lvl 1 rune war is always happens, and taking bounty as support is bound to get blamed.

[@Kfimenenpah]

lol I remember. Even now I sometimes find myself wanting to pick up the bounty rune before my teammates xD

[@fyuira9585]

Not only did bounty gives gold before it also gives exp. Haha

[@allanmasanegra9523]

Hahaha Good thing Dota put more bounty runes and shared it to the team

[@7Exartive]

i always feel cool when i steal first bounty with phoenix dive

[@amntevil5048]

and alchemist player comes running from where ever the heck they are farming when they saw bounty rune.

[@oO_ox_O]

Snowy DotA 5.84c map, now those were times…

[@captainobvious7033]

you can still use it not sure what up to what version from before but -terrain snow works along with -weather rain/moonlight/acid rain/fog/snow

[@erikwang4556]

When Rikimaru had death wards and everyone refused to get wards... Good times.

[@danghoang8958]

You still get snow map with dota plus

[@ChriSX13]

ah yes how broken was riki

[@captainobvious7033]

@@erikwang4556 it's useless anyway that death ward is invulnerable and does not require channeling that sh*t is broken

[@FTWIchigo]

This type of content was 100% necessary.

[@RauMins]

I still remember the old Roshan, and also the creep mountain, I loved pulling the creeps there as Dark Seer ♥ Oh memories of old, I tried getting back into Dota and got massive whiplash from the map being so different, amongst many other things.

[@supertilapia]

I really love the older map/battlefield. The aura and vibe was really nice

[@mr.nobody896]

Same

[@JigenLune]

Roshan had 3 different locations over the time. One was where the iconic "nobody has ever done that in the history of dota" moment happened, one was where the iconic "it's a disastah" moment happened and lastly, where he is located rn where some iconic plays also happened like OG vs LGD game 5 where ana's ember won them the fight after buying back

[@tariefhassan7671]

the 3rd location most iconic was when miracle deleted it from full hp to zero with arc warden

[@SurferFlash]

I know this video is a bit older now, but I wanted to add some context to the multiple couriers. This was originally introduced in HoN (Heroes of Newerth) as a way to make the game less toxic and easier. HoN was significantly more punishing than Dota 2, in that the average GPM of a free farming carry was about 350, and kills were significantly less gold. It would be common for supports to end the game with boots, bracer, wand and nothing else, as Obs and Sent wards both cost gold (100 each) and killing wards did not give gold. This meant that the laning phase was incredibly challenging and hugely impactful to the outcome of the match. In Dota 2 there was a saying "the laning phase doesn't matter" because there were so many ways to recover if you died a few times in the lane. HoN did not have those comeback mechanics (it had a few but they were less impactful) so laning was everything. As an aside, jungle creeps were significantly stronger and not accessible to most heroes without lifesteal early on. When laning in Dota 2 - you generally purchase items and consumables. Consumables being healing items like potions etc. When there was only 1 courier, you could not get more items to your lane for a very long time. This means that heroes which scale with levels were significantly stronger than heroes which scale with items. It also meant that you could 100% shut down a carry. This means, if you are hurt, you must go back to the base. You could not send out more items to heal up. This would lead to you having less experience, and less gold. When multiple couriers were introduced the whole game shifted in HoN - and Dota 2 followed suit. The idea now was to continually transfer healing items to your lane so you can get all of the experience and continue to last hit creeps. If the enemies use all their mana, you send out 2 potions and heal right back up. This change was originally so impactful that teams were trying to abuse it by sharing consumables. This has been deemed too powerful and nerfs across the board have happened. Buying your mid a bottle, then sending out your own regen isn't possible due to bottle prices increase. Giving tangos have cooldowns, mana potions last longer so they are easier to remove, etc. Overall I personally think it was a good change for the game. Yes, it makes the game easier. Yes, there's no value to killing the enemy couriers now (previously if you killed the 1 courier their whole team couldn't use it). And Yes - it makes the game much more friendly. The toxicity level for the couriers was crazy, and I'm glad we each get our own now.

[@MCrystalMaidenn]

I miss old dota so much it was really fun especially when everyone had to share the same courier

[@tenzingsamdup]

"fun"

[@leipein]

there's no fun in sharing couriers

[@MCrystalMaidenn]

@@tenzingsamdup yes :3

[@MCrystalMaidenn]

@@leipein Well it was fun to me because a lot of people would argue over it and also fight over who is gonna buy the flying courier. When I'm gaming I like chaos better for some reason

[@deckardcraigwyr8573]

fun??? i am a support player and always become a victim, i have to buy that shit and i never use it bcz 3 morons always fight for it

[@meoowww16]

Having 1 courier for a whole team is hard specially when you have a toxic teammates fighting for cour and they will feed the cour so you wont get your items😆

[@kanade2605]

Bruh I remember, I was snowballing early as undying give my carry free lane. Proceed to aura item for siege tower and guess what, one toxic teammate that I dont know who drop my items in courier in middle of the lane

[@meoowww16]

@@kanade2605 thats the reason why im thankful gaben gives us 1 cour per player

[@FireWyvern870]

"reuse"

[@hellothere9167]

You literally couldn't use it for first 5 minutes otherwise mid player would treat it like a warcrime

[@franciscarranza4670]

Ah, that time when you can buy a blink dagger on side shop to blink tp away from a gank then selling it within 10 seconds to get the full refund

[@romulusdraco1801]

lol the 1 cour brought back ptsd memories I remember half the times nobody would even buy that 1 cour and it would be ''okay whoever dies first buys cour'' good times

[@nikusson]

"who was the guy who invented shrines, tell me right now" Said Puppey, smilingly, while planning a murder in broad daylight. Also, sideshop. Remember being able to buy 6 tangoes, slippers, stout shield. And then buy quelling on sideshop. Memories.

[@asseater2079]

We need PMS back, and maybe iron talon. I miss those days

[@nikusson]

@@asseater2079 Talon as a neutral would be really nice again honestly

[@loust1264]

im 15, i miss back when its 2003, good old days, times were much simpler

[@f12251225]

Puppey is the MVP of this clip, lol.

[@Jwm367t]

the only player to actually play at every TI through every version of it.

[@MrErdem95]

I remember back when from side shop you could buy a ring of regen and sell it before 10 seconds and do it again. It was basically a micro intensive regen tripling tactic. Good days.

[@anghoangnguyen9581]

I really think side shop is nice, getting runes and run there to get stick or the axe, when courier was still limited, and also shrines, it gave you heal so you didn't have to go back all the way. These little things add more strategic aspects to the game. Oh and you forget the ES perma stun outpost.

[@skellycat7806]

Shared courier is like playing tug-of-war with your teammates..fun

[@kazzar831]

I've been playing the game for years, and never once noticed the icon being in the shape of the map.

[@patrick-zb6fx]

I remember when the courier just 1 for every players, and there's someone mad in every game because their items don't arrive after many minutes lol

[@nessaj6359]

I miss old map.

[@muhammadyutitasril8081]

I really miss the side shop keepers, i hope they bring them back in the next patch

[@Lullabye022]

"buy courier please" " Upgrade courier please" Damn, I'm tired of hearing those words

[@johnk3841]

My friend still has the hotkey assigned to those text lol

[@SgtDahaka]

Give back single courier and side shop. Always a pleasure to fight your team first for the usage of the courier before facing the enemy team.

[@Megatilman1]

I still remember in my past when they existed like side shop, one courier, shrine and old map. Now removed them..so rip 😭. Oh yes they said right coz many toxic want to control the courier to feed them like that. We can't do coz no one sent their item when the courier died.

[@pizzapakemt]

omg the one courier and forcing pos 5 to buy em was such an era

[@andersonfrans]

Actually, I missed the single courier day. Yes it is true that courier used to be object of abuse in pub games, but also that one is making every competitive games needs to have tight schedule on using it, also make it more scarier when used as baiting / vision tool. Nowadays killing courier have no prestige at all, and winning factor only decided by the draft and how much you succeeded / fucked up when execute the planned strategy.

[@TheSpiritOfTheWest]

You’re right

[@yagoosidol6338]

it may be higher skill ceiling but man being support in those days ain't fun

[@eragonrank5303]

Remember back then, as Offlane LC. You can buy your entire kit at side shop. PMS, Phase, Blink.

[@mikeortmyer1124]

Seeing PFlax again in the dota scene is great! 😁

[@alliheart8336]

i remember the days when you accidentally press deliver in the courier you'd say reuse to that person who uses the courier first

[@shinecamerongamesph1257]

I thought you're gonna discuss the MAP itself --- together with the rosh pit placement before, ramps, cliffs etc. not the MAP Feature

[@anggsa]

The only reason I play offlane instead of mid lane is side shop, now they're gone. Ahh... I always love to get dagger or morbid mask without waiting courier to deliver it

[@stanleyyelnats297]

I love Pyrion so much. Truly a glorious egg

[@hellothere9167]

Having backpacks was such a fresh breath

[@sampannarimal8816]

Another amazing idea was to add the extra slot for TP.

[@youlackhatred266]

Ahh the side shop... As a techies main, These were my bestest of friends.

[@fadehayz1671]

Ah I remember when there was one courier. Someone would but tome and send them using courier and then I control the courier to give me the tome. Good times.

[@NoMetaEnjoyer]

i love this content xD remembering patch,heroes,maps etc

[@kelvinlim9857]

Back in the day in DotA 1, where Radiant Ancient's position placed at bottom instead of center. Which makes Dire Team who wants to end the game faster, to push Bottom Lane instead of straightpush Middle Lane.

[@EdwardJ_drums]

What is map version

[@kelvinlim9857]

@@EdwardJ_drums Pre-6.53, i think

[@oj43085]

I remember one play in one of the TIs where this player was getting ganked, he already bought a blink in his stash, he walked to the side shop, sold it, bought it from the side shop, blinked and TP away.

[@paulolaygo1681]

It's armel puck from ti7 I believe

[@amori8975]

You mean Gabbi

[@TheMisterEpic]

side shops sadge

[@pico0o0o_]

i remember as a new player i would always control the courier and bring it to the enemy base and laugh as my teammates get pissed.

[@1997rew]

минус аванпосты)

[@franz8072]

"you don't deserve to win" Proceeds to lock six branches on the courier*

[@Holland1994D]

Oh the single courier. Some games we didn't even had a courier or nobody bothered it to upgrade to a flying one. Not mentioning the fight who would get their items first. Or what about courier feeding.

[@apaulo617]

Remember when Roshan was on fire side to help with radiant camera advantage? Pepridge farm remembers.

[@MrWearethechampion]

I still remember sharing unit control to give courier to other members

[@alZiiHardstylez]

Audibly said "oh shrines..." out loud.

[@UdonTZai]

damn puppey ready to throw hands with the dude who came up with the shrine. fight me!😂

[@huabamane2]

Oh god, that brings up memories of playing 5.84c anno 2008 and organising battles via the DCE channel and then the Dota all-stars website

[@vsl5455]

Not one mention of Rosh getting a new house? :c Also side shop was super cool. I remember getting recipe for Midas on courier, and while it flew out grabbing the other 500 Gold for the glove to instantly combine it at the sideshop

[@lc9245]

Pick heroes with the little shops at the top. Rosh pit being closer to Scourge, pull camps repositioning, 7.00 map overhaul. Icefrog had been working DotA for almost 2 decades now. I don't even remember all of that changes any more.

[@hanzo2151]

4:00 hes damn right, back then only mid can use couriers not even carry can bother midlaner. And when cour can refill bottle from fountain and midlaner just using it like 10 times just to refill their bottle

[@no_mnom]

I like not having "courier upgrade?!? Reported!" when it turned available

[@ramsi3545]

I also remember there was sometimes that ******** who just bought a courier and kept it in their inventory so we should play without it...

[@Shorts14]

They should add a buyable backpack slot. Like 10,000 money to use 1 backpack slot since late game carries have so much money. 30,000 for 3 backpack slots. 9 slot carry = gg

[@MJCreatives3000]

Having one courier is the best moment when you want to troll or get pissed off if you get trolled. Gold old days

[@evelynfive5684]

I do really like old side shop system, it make me feel the world is more alive than current system.

[@Lokhmon]

What i miss ? I miss when buy scepter , hero got effect . Really awesome !!

[@emperordelacruz9339]

Remember when bottle can be refilled at base while the courier carries it

[@vindytr]

For years I've been playing dota 2 and I just know the dota icon is the map...

[@abhishekpawar5126]

looking back now it feels crazy we used to share just one courier somebody had to buy it (usually the support) and also upgrade it to make it fly you could also buy many couriers it took just one toxic guy to buy many couriers and feed them to the enemy to ruin everyone's game you could also steal somebodies tome of knowledge on the courier individual couriers is probably the best thing to happen to dota in a long time

[@susekami]

God I remember having click battles trying to get my items delivered vs a guy who wanted to get his bottle back to base.

[@Therealgorgcheh]

I still sometimes have nightmares of sharing a single courier 😢

[@silenthero2795]

Member that your backpack was actually in the Circle of Power thingy? Good times.

[@Lex02615]

I remember when we're too far ahead in dota 1 sniper can literally destroy enemy fountain. We also buy orbs that would give mana to couriers and buy dagons and the couriers can use those dagons. Good times.

[@dredderick3686]

"Abusing the poor donkey who never got to rest" damn I never though of it like that

[@Quaaludio]

Why is the history of Dota being explained to me by Heinrich Himmler?

[@johnmellan1732]

I miss arguing with the team over the courier, people spam controlling the courier towards the enemy as you spam control it back to safety. Fun old times.

[@kevinxin1545]

Puppy just wants to know where Icefrog is so he can punch his monitor too.

[@gablelerz]

"Mona Lisa of Maps... Modified this Masterpiece" Excellent writing.

[@darkfazer]

"Mona Lisa of MOBAs"

[@iamdjiamput7552]

Remember when you need to buy the courier and it walks. You need to upgrade it to fly

[@duellinkskogdecks6089]

Why no mention of the roshan pit changes? That was the biggest change in the map. When dire can easily monitor RS.

[@nick-kg1ik]

Back when Shrines were a thing, + as an Invoker player, my sunstrike predictions of enemies were mostly spot on because I knew they'd go to the shrines to heal up so I was kinda disappointed it got removed, that map patch was my golden days of Invoker susntrikes, now I'm just straight up rotten lmao

[@endel4385]

When everyone was fighting to control the courier 🤣

[@diney7085]

As someone who has been playing only after 5 couriers and 3 backpack slots, imagining trying to play the game without those gives me anxiety.

[@nitindasiah991]

Sad they didnt ask any herald people about one courier cause that was one way of thrwing the match if you were flaming your team, where you just kill off the courier while it is carrying your teammate's items. Also the constant right click speed test to see which direction the courier goes.

[@_Matt29_]

I'm glad I got through the "Single Courier, Someone else buy/upgrade it" because it made me appreciate multiple couriers very, very much.

[@parkkinglot892]

I think I'm a very old dota player, I still remember when the map was icy, there were only 3 taverns (the other one is not even full), and towers regenerate.

[@al-adeelah2507]

the side shops were more useful when we had roughly one curier per team. it helped reduced the demand a little.

[@Abu_Shawarib]

Remember when "First who dies buys a courier"? LOL

[@HawaiianCoconut]

When you’re such an ancient dota player that all these examples read to me more like a changelog of things that are different now than a look into the past…

[@henrykekw]

i still remember my clicking training where i need to spam click the courier to base because my fucking teamate keep killing the courier mid lol

[@vikumwijekoon3166]

man remember single courier days. HOLY FUCK