Double Dragon II: The Revenge (Arcade) - TAS In

[@XenoGuru]

Now THIS was a TAS I've been waiting for. And with no "slow down" in the animation to-boot? Great stuff!!

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Thank you! That means a lot! The odd thing is that I achieved the no “slow down” part on another normal run of the first Double Dragon using MAME. One of the features, among the many of course, was allowing the user to tweak CPU Speed of the board itself that the ROM was running on. The end result pretty much elevates virtually almost all the lag in the entire game! Fast forward to experimenting with MAME - RR (Outdated TAS Tool). This emulator offered no such features. At least not to my knowledge. Bare in mind it is a pretty bare bones ReRecord Tool and was an absolute nightmare (at least in my opinion) to do any kind of TAS on! Now we come to the latest version of BizHawk which has the MAME Core built right into it! I think it’s running version .254? Anyways, you can’t make tweaks to this MAME Core either! You can only adjust the actual Bios Settings of the ROM itself! That’s it! Guess what?! No lag! I’m not even sure how the TAS Archives views this at this point? I mean, BizHawk isn’t built that way. You can’t force it from the Users End. Sorry for the rant! I just finally got the opportunity to explain the backstory! 😎

[@XenoGuru]

​@CinderGamingChannel All good, rant away. There was another youtuber who had started a TAS of this, but he never finished it. Now there is a finished version. Keep up the awesome work. Edit: Also, you may want to submit this to the TAS Speedrun channel. I'm sure the TAS community would love to see this.

[@CinderGamingChannel]

@@XenoGuru, you might be referring to markfloyd3038? We messaged a few times about him running a TAS of DD2. I know he had started on Stage 1/2, but I'm not sure if they were finalized or not. I know you can Submit to the TAS.org, but how would I go about getting submitted just to the Channel? Any info is greatly appreciated and thank you for the positive feedback!

[@XenoGuru]

@CinderGamingChannel It should be @TasVideosChannel. I'm not sure how the submission process works to be honest. But if you ask in the comments of one of the videos on that channel, someone from the channel should get you in the right direction. The channel managers are pretty cool people.

[@CinderGamingChannel]

@@XenoGuru, awesome sauce! Thank you!! ✌

[@chengfu7063]

As tight as everything was back then you wouldn't even believe it's the same country now this is living proof that nothing beats the classics better era excellent today's America 🤮 compared to then keep up the legendary speedrun you can see the life brimming in the arcade alone it has more energy than anything today

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Yeah, reality is a little different these days. I miss the rivalry in the arcade rooms. It was simply to try and get better than the person on the other controls. Sure, you had those problem peeps from time to time, but nothing like the craziness of these online services. Back then it just felt better to show you could rub their face in the defeat of the match. Such Is Life I Guess.

[@sektor2ooo914]

I always hated the pitfalls… cause it was me getting punched into the abyss! Great run!

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Yeah, but the temptation of putting someone in it was a great trap! 😂

[@puppylove3781]

This guy is a professional! Well done.

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Thank ya! ✌️

[@deddykurniawan5993]

No other boss after he fight his shadow. In Nes, there is still high rank boss, and good ending.

[@CinderGamingChannel]

And you know there are probably plenty of peeps out there that still don’t know that either! 😎

[@retiredsnowbunnyhunterx5106]

O gotta day of all the years of played the arcade an beat it with countless of quarters this is insanely good on your part.

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Thank you! And the quarters! Oh god all the quarters!!!!! 😳

[@davidkwong3369]

That looked flawless! I didn’t even notice one hit on you.

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Thank you! There could be possible Damage Boost to improve the time. This run was really more of a learning curve. I hope to improve the time on the next one. ✌️

[@PrimevalDemon]

Good lord that opening is unintentionally hilarious

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Right! I mean, they said the hell with it, we bought the ticket, we want to see the show! 😂

[@krispyqwiff8161]

Outstanding Play!!!🎉

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Thank you! 😎

[@ERMANGEZER]

izlediğim en iyi dd2 speedrun idi.. ben 91 yılında bu oyunu ilk çıktığı zamanlar zevkle oynuyordum atari salonlarında.. şimdi elinin altında herşey var teknolojiden sıkıldık :)

[@CinderGamingChannel]

I appreciate the compliment! Yes! The Arcades were a top experience! Yeah, there is way too much technology and bored is definitely a great way to put it! ✌️

[@alexreinos7703]

AMAZING. THE TECHNIQUE

[@CinderGamingChannel]

I appreciate that very much! ✌️

[@waynelarbalestier]

One of best DD2 walk views I have seen. What a player . I thought I was handy beating DD1 with one credit years back but Hell I’m not this guy

[@CinderGamingChannel]

I appreciate the compliment. Tool-Assisted is my all time favorite, but I have many to go back to for normal speedruns.

[@retiredsnowbunnyhunterx5106]

I know right. I was able to double dragon 1 back in the arcade days with just one quarter. But this here is on a whole nother level. Like he knows where the enemies gone move before they move.

[@Walkeranz]

@@retiredsnowbunnyhunterx5106it’s a computer program playing. TAS=tool assisted speedrun. The controller movements have been programmed in. Nobody is playing

[@retiredsnowbunnyhunterx5106]

@@Walkeranz Oh ok. That AI ain't no joke then. Gotta be someone out there to be able beat it like this.

[@salvadorlobatontanguma1189]

@@CinderGamingChannel y yo creí que era un vago en este juego jajaja...me quito el sombrero ante este jugador...muy sorprendido...👍👍👍

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Thank you! ✌️

[@EasyGuitarNow]

0 shot taken, big respect for you !! strong you are !

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Thank ya! ✌️

[@w20h]

The only bad about arcade version is the sad ending. The nes version changed it a lot for happy ending.

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Can’t argue that point. At least the Original made it believable. Sad?! More like how did she live?! And not the tiniest hint of how she did! 😂

[@samuelherriotiii2114]

This player is smart. 👌 👏 Fighting to survive on taking the enemy out quick and simple. Not cocky and arrogant like most players. Showing off with no results.

[@CinderGamingChannel]

How right you are. Showing off in this game can have you put on the ground extremely fast! 😂

[@hokutoshinken3747]

complimenti cinder anche contro la tua stessa ombra forte quanto te o di piu' sei stato piu' bravo tu dall'inizio e dell'ombra complimenti ancora

[@CinderGamingChannel]

E grazie per aver guardato! Apprezzo il feedback come sempre! ✌

[@sharptoothtrex4486]

Blonde Marian: Who killed my twin sister? I must find the murderer responsible for my twin sister's death!

[@CinderGamingChannel]

(Billy/Jimmy share awkward stare) “Wait! What?! There’s another one?! No! Hell no! Do you know how long it took us to get here?! Everyone across town, not to mention countryside, has tried to beat us to death!! A Helicopter you say?! Nnnnoooo??!! On top of that, Willy went completely mental! Oh, I forgot the part where HE TRIED SHOOTING AT US! We are not even going to start about his Poltergeist buddy trying to get inside us! Yes, I just said that! Listen, I don’t know where you’ve been all this time, frankly I don’t give a damn, but take your ass back there! We are wwwaaayyy past over this! Duces!” 😂😂

[@sharptoothtrex4486]

@@CinderGamingChannel Blonde Marian: Okay Willy, since you killed my twin sister, I find you guilty giving you the death penalty since I am a mixed martial arts crime buster.

[@CinderGamingChannel]

😂😂😂

[@Jaack35]

Thank you!!

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Thank you for watching! 😎✌️

[@ehkimraven]

Este man si es un Auténtico pro

[@vidvismmajority7033]

Awesome dude

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Thank you! ✌️

[@fuel4insanity6]

The Summary of the game....Marion gets killed....Jimmy Lee goes beserk... Reason....Dating is now harder in 2023...So now he has to take to Facebook dating to find his new squeeze and wants to take it out on some ppl.

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Thats definitely a point of view. Probably many more that share it, I’ll give ya that. ✌️

[@MrCrazyrob666]

Love how they used Andre The Giant from WWF Superstars as level 2 boss

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Let’s be straight here, when you seen the characters walk/size, it was one of those “hold up! wait a minute!” moments! 😂

[@MrCrazyrob666]

@@CinderGamingChannel it's him, 100%. Both games came out in the same year, from the same studio 😄

[@CinderGamingChannel]

@@MrCrazyrob666 Lmao! That is so dirty, but yet so smart in the same breath! He does look good though!

[@steveN111333]

6:03 AWESOME !!!!! LMFAO :)

[@CinderGamingChannel]

What goes up, must come down. They just thought of it differently after the initial jump. 😂

[@reydavidhernandez6872]

Amazing...

[@CinderGamingChannel]

😎😎😎

[@bukpark]

Perfect!!!!!

[@CinderGamingChannel]

I appreciate that! ✌️

[@theaquariancontrarian3316]

Did anyone notice the intro music sounds just like the street fighter character select music but slowed way down???

[@CinderGamingChannel]

For the longest time, I was wondering if anyone else would pick up on that! 😂

[@watts4200]

Well done 👌

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Thank you! ✌️

[@冠升陳-c6u]

依2代的難度能玩到這樣，版主稱得上高手了！

[@CinderGamingChannel]

That would be another challenge for sure!

[@thetexasranger]

The boss man on level 2 looks a lot like the mission coordinator from Dragon Ninja

[@CinderGamingChannel]

😂🤣😂

[@lazuardialdi2646]

The endong in Arcade ver. Is Less Obvious, But NES and PC ver. Does looks Obvious

[@팝콘-p3y]

Nice play

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Thank you! ✌️

[@theaquariancontrarian3316]

5:32 abobo looks like emo jimmy butler 😂😂😂

[@CinderGamingChannel]

You said Jimmy Butler! 😂😂😂

[@markfloyd3038]

How solid is bizhawk emulator? I worked on a double dragon 2 TAS a while back. Gave up midway through because of how badly mame performed with dd2. Constant crashing while attempting to save/load from save state😅

[@markfloyd3038]

And amazing run by the way!

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Put it this way, you will never look back! The MAME Core works fantastically and they have made many improvements with it! They have also made big time improvements to the other Cores as well! Check it out the details: github.com/TASEmulators/BizHawk

[@markfloyd3038]

@@CinderGamingChannel sweet will check it out. Oh man super excited to get back into TAS work [time permitting]. Did you happen to compile any notes you don't mind sharing.. for your TAS work on dd2? I'm happy to share the in progress notes I have... but guessing you already have it [basic hex address info for player and enemy health totals... I didn't use much else for my dd1 and dd2 tas work]

[@CinderGamingChannel]

@@markfloyd3038, very little, and not at the moment. My setup is almost back up, but I was dealing with the BSOD/Ram Errors from a faulty stick of Ram. Add in 10 hours days at work and that leaves little time to get back up at least from a testing standpoint. I think I also relied more on Savestates for the initial run. Aside from Enemy Placement/slowdown, I would look into possible ways to manipulate Enemy Spawn Points. If it is possible of course. I’ve seen your DD1 runs, so you obviously are no stranger to the normal tricks of saving time in these games. 🤙 Feel free to comb my run as well. There are several places I noticed that could be time savers. Maybe even running the stage an entirely different way.

[@CinderGamingChannel]

@@markfloyd3038 Is it possible that you know what is required to upload to TAS.org/to their KZbin Channel? I appreciate any help. Oh, I am holding on to the .tasproj file from the updated run about to release. Let me know if you are interested in taking a look at it. ✌️

[@skytube6161]

good~

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Thank you! ✌️

[@jfliguy]

5:48 is the funniest death of all time

[@CinderGamingChannel]

He had two sticks, so he got the elbow to the teeth to send him on his journey! 😂

[@jfliguy]

@@CinderGamingChannel I was talking about them trying to jump kick and they fell to their death. It was hilarious

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Ooooooo! Sorry! Wrong time stamp! 😂

[@RetroGamesMas]

The shadow is your dark side..because u are fighting vs your inner rage who wants to kill..

[@CinderGamingChannel]

That’s actually not a bad perspective when you think of this game. I mean, The Revenge? You might be on to something there! 😎

[@RetroGamesMas]

@@CinderGamingChannel yep u need to stop..because u can kill everyone with no problem..or i say...the dragons can kill every enemy if the wanted?

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Definitely the Dragons for sure!

[@sleepy3d]

I like the part where he kicked everyone's ass

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Hey, its a party for sure.

[@Steve-mx6lz]

Love me some Double Dragon but after watching this I’ve came to a couple questions. 1.) what’s the story of part 2 ? Almost looks like a similar backdrop. Why is the girlfriend alive in a photo after dude shot here ? Why did you fight a zombie version of yourself at the very end? Sick animations of the sprites. I was wondering about the slow downs was this a hardware issue or something done on purpose like a slow mo hit ?

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Incoming! Lol.......... 1. The Revenge is like a retelling of the first with an obvious plot twist. Marian is shot to death by the Black Warriors leader Willy. 2. A fair amount of Arcade games used the method back in the day. Not exactly like Double Dragon, but reusing assets in a new game from an earlier one, to make a new one. Perfect example is Mortal Kombat 3 to Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3. You can obviously see it from Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 to Mortal Kombat Trilogy. Think of it as a way of expanding a game without increasing the cost of it. I believe they referred to them as Upgrade Kits? However, The Revenge ended up being a stand-alone game due to this. Check out a game called Renegade. It'll make sense. My example/version of course. 2. Ah yes, the picture that is worth a thousand words, or shall we say questions in this case? I'm not sure what that move was to be honest with you. Especially when the first made that much more sense. The NES Version even went another way with this as well. 3. I would imagine fighting your shadow is referring to ridding yourself of a inner darkness. Being called The Revenge, it makes pretty good sense. 4. Good eye on the slowdown. No slow motion is applied though. This is due to there be too many assets/movements on the screen at one time. So, you are correct, it is due to a hardware limitation. Which is odd when you think of it being on an Upgrade Kit? 😂

[@Steve-mx6lz]

@@CinderGamingChannel thanks for the detailed response 🤘

[@CinderGamingChannel]

@@Steve-mx6lz Never a problem! ✌

[@dave99887]

Fantastic music...

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Much appreciated! ✌️

[@MrVariant]

2:20 knife to knock boss on conveyor belt lol

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Knock? Hell, when he seen that coming at him he jumped on it! 😂

[@MrVariant]

@CinderGamingChannel lol as you say jump I think of the rage quit Kamikaze 6:06 by those demoted bosses. But yes you're right lol these guys are more suicidal than tactics ogre reborn AI

[@CinderGamingChannel]

@@MrVariant😂🤣😂

[@p0host]

Wow. That was impressive. Not even one single hit against you.

[@CinderGamingChannel]

I appreciate that very much. Bear in mind that this is a Tool-Assisted Speedrun (TAS).

[@p0host]

What is TAS?@@CinderGamingChannel

[@CinderGamingChannel]

@@p0host Think of it as a way of perfecting a Speedrun. It also allows the community more opportunities to develop techniques/scenarios in a Speedrun that wouldn't be possible for a person to perform on the spot. However, there have been times where a TAS has shown how a player could improve their Personal Best time in a Normal Speedrun. Of course, any runner should not attempt to use these types of tools, and pass the run off as one of their own. This is a very understood guideline from the community for anyone doing these types of runs. Below will give you good start to research and hopefully I was able to make it make a little more sense! Lol! tasvideos.org/WelcomeToTASVideos

[@p0host]

@@CinderGamingChannel Thanks. Never knew that. I figured you sped it up, but I was most impressed with how they never landed a finger on you. Inspired me to play last night. Oh the memories.

[@CinderGamingChannel]

@@p0host The feedback is always appreciated. As for the speed, the Bizhawk Emulator that I use, has an actual core of the MAME Emulator built into it. Along with other platforms respectively. Perhaps it able to perform better when it comes to MAME ROMS/GAMES? I'm not actually sure myself. You definitely have an eye for the classics to notice that speed change for sure! Memories is for certain! I remember playing it as a kid at the beach! It even had the second screen on top for everyone to watch! Turns out, that was an option that was available, but wasn't common! I didn't know that!

[@emmanueljames8404]

@ 6:06...Lol!!

[@CinderGamingChannel]

“Wait! Don’t jump th…………..damn!” 😂

[@ryliefranco3910]

this amt of carnage puts chuck norris, terminator, and rambo to shame. how sore would your knuckles be after this destruction???

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Sore?! Hell, after a few, would you be able to feel them at all?! 😂

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

6:00 They're not sending their best.

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Talk about “Diving Right In”? 😂

[@michael2244]

I had this game Nintedo

[@CinderGamingChannel]

It definitely had the better story!

[@ЕвгенийРовенский-н2щ]

What's the device? NES?

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Negative. This is the Arcade version.

[@theaquariancontrarian3316]

The ending makes no sense the guy shot her up with a machine gun in the beginning 😂😂😂

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Hey, she was getting that photo, even if it meant coming back from the dead! 😂

[@smondine]

🤩🤩🤩🤩👏👏👏👏

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Thank you! 😎

[@Cluez31]

6:04 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@CinderGamingChannel]

They said we can jump high. I said, ok, how high? 😂

[@Cluez31]

@@CinderGamingChannel Lol yeah, I laughed too hard at that part.

[@James-ki5ix]

Now I see why they made double dragon 3 on arcade and it was a total bust because this one was almost if not 90 percent identical to the first one just different characters as the put an Andre the giant character in from 1989 WWF superstar arcade game,no wonder dd3 looked so different, NES version was good though.

[@CinderGamingChannel]

DD3 NES version was great indeed! Couldn't agree with you more! DD2 was actually based off an Upgrade Kit. That is why it looks so similar to DD. For years, I didn't know that, but still wondered why they looked so similar to each other.

[@skizzzle]

Moo

[@CinderGamingChannel]

😄😄😄

[@吉田くん-g6y]

1と違いずらし落としは出来ないんだな 前作のボスウィリー出てくるんだなAC FCはヤツとか宿敵としか書かれてなくて1やらんとわからんかった

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Wow! I wasn’t aware of that! 😳

[@rodolfovallejo7901]

dificult very easy

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Negative. The Difficulty is set to Default. Higher will be in another run and is a way different beast to tackle. ✌️

[@johncraftenworth7847]

why is this game good, but double dragon 3 absolute trash???

[@MrCrazyrob666]

This very similar to DD1 but much more challenging. DD3 was very different and not in a good way

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Greed? I’m not sure why a developer would make such a direction change with a game like Double Dragon.

[@solarflare9078]

@@CinderGamingChannel The answer? Simple It was not made by Technos Japan It was developed by East Technology, who were also behind such games like Operation Wolf 1 and 3

[@CinderGamingChannel]

I didn't know that either! Although, I do remember Operation Wolf!

[@johncraftenworth7847]

@@solarflare9078 wow operation wolf is up there as greatest gun game of all time. up there with Terminator 2, Lethal Enforcers, House of the Dead. Can't believe they screwed up Double D so badly

[@ErikNouvel-mh4tq]

All that work for a dumb ending

[@CinderGamingChannel]

They could have at least worked in a remake of the original ending.

[@SmokeySkies]

This is too much..

[@CinderGamingChannel]

Hopefully in a good way. 😂

[@SmokeySkies]

@@CinderGamingChannel it is...

[@toddpatterson5445]

He got punched one time.... AMATEUR! lol

[@CinderGamingChannel]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@deg6788]

is this double dragon 1 remake ?

[@CinderGamingChannel]

I mean, no, but technically you could say that it is? 🧐

[@Munkyo99]

is the sequel

[@CinderGamingChannel]

@@Munkyo99 Agreed. Although, I think this is debated due to their similarities.