I’ve always known about the infamous lawsuit that Capcom filed against Data East but to actually see a video from the case is really cool. This is some historic gold right here.
@afropowa1598Күн бұрын
Yeah man, this is awesome but Capcom were complete fools for going thru with this lawsuit. Which is so funny since Street Fighter was inspired by Karate Champ a Data East made game, lol! I am hype for part 2 of this video.
@meganinten00789 сағат бұрын
@@orlanzo2621 You could say that Fighter's History made...history .... ... Okay, I will see myself out 😅 But seriously, thanks to Data East, the entire fighting game genre was saved! Fighting game fans and players should respect Data East and Fighter's History 🫡 Thanks for everything DE 🥲 'Mizoguchi Wins!!"
@orlanzo26218 сағат бұрын
@@meganinten0078 Definitely agree! If Capcom would have won the lawsuit the entire fighting game genre as we know it wouldn’t be what it is today, scary to think about one company basically having a monopoly on an entire genre.
@orlanzo26218 сағат бұрын
@@afropowa1598 Yea Capcom was just trying to be greedy and basically have the genre to themselves. It was a selfish move on their part, I love the company but they were definitely wrong in this case, I’m glad that Data East won. The genre definitely wouldn’t be as diverse and healthy as it is today if things had gone the other way.
@lontr9771Күн бұрын
This is not Guile. Throws Sonic booms a few moments later.
@Wladislav2 күн бұрын
Thank you for preserving this artefact.
@SAPProd2 күн бұрын
“Vega wears a white hockey mask.” Capcom: “OBJECTION!”
@meganinten0078Күн бұрын
Nick Commando (Fight Fever): "HEY! THAT IS MY THING! I WILL SUE THEM!" 😆
@CoolWave0121 сағат бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@FabioGnecco15 сағат бұрын
from The Cut Room Floor article: "Fighter's History is Data East's first attempt to hop on fighting games trend of early 90's. This game is infamously known for being sued by Capcom, accusing it in plagiarism of Street Fighter II. However, Data East won the lawsuit on grounds that the copied elements like mechanics, 6-button layout and character archetypes were a standard for the genre and cannot be copyrighted. And after that the game received a sequel one year later, Fighter's History Dynamite, which was a major improvement over the original and got a niche cult following over the years"
@triple_leiКүн бұрын
What a treasure. The KZbin algorithm did not fail me.
@exclamatia2 күн бұрын
i need to see part 2
@darktetsuya2 күн бұрын
wow never thought I would see the evidence tape out of data east for this! all the fighters may have had similarities but were mostly different enough to not be direct copies.
@TheLandofObscusion2 күн бұрын
And, in the end, Data East managed to win the lawsuit because it was (correctly) argued that the way the characters played were pretty much inherent to how fighting games themselves are played, i.e. QC motions, DP motions, charge moves, fireballs, anti-air specials, etc., while any similarities between the character designs themselves were because of shared influences from around the world.
@MagmaMKII2 күн бұрын
The characters were based on similar archetypes. The type of stuff you can't claim copyright over.
@jisungchoi75112 күн бұрын
The moves though. It's such a copy. LOL
@TheLandofObscusion2 күн бұрын
@@jisungchoi7511 Yeah, but those too are general concepts found within any fighting game. Fireballs for zoning, DPs for anti-air, charge moves for defensive play, command throws, etc. Capcom couldn't claim copyright over that stuff, since they were to be expected for the genre.
@derekerickson41442 күн бұрын
@@TheLandofObscusionI'm playing devil's advocate here but all of those motions and move archetypes only became the standard after Capcom made street fighter 2. SF2 is literally the reason they are the standard. That being said I still think Data East rightfully won the lawsuit it's not like the NBA can sue the National Handball Association (if that's a thing) because both have dribbling.
@wrena792 күн бұрын
The American artwork in that strategy guide was good awful. Remember seeing it back in the day and I'm sure I've got it somewhere. Proper nightmare fuel.
@JucelegarioКүн бұрын
is like some amateur 10 year old that isnt a fan, made it while bored during class.
@enriquepinero70718 сағат бұрын
Not for nothing; I am baffled as to how Data East won this one. Pretty bold of them to present this video in such a bold face manner. While the game is not an exact rip off; it is almost dangerously close in SOME areas. I would say the similarities are varied enough that these chracters could co-exist in the same game; as to offer more variety within a single combined character roster. Really glad that Capcom didn't win this one; as having both games is great from a gameplay and historical standpoint.
@FussoКүн бұрын
Let's be real. Of all games that Capcom could have pick for a lawsuit, Fighters History is not even close to the most agregious one. It's good they lost it. It was an absurd lawsuit to begin with.
@LeeONardoКүн бұрын
And now Nintendo is doing it with Palworld.
@meganinten0078Күн бұрын
It's a good thing Data East ended up winning in the end 😄 If Capcom had won, they would have monopolized the entire fighting game industry! The judge said that those alleged similarities that Capcom claimed were either superficial or something that all fighting games shared The judge also clarified that Capcom didn't own martial arts and sports For example, Sagat practices and does Muay Thai techniques but he didn't invent it
@aeonicbutterfly96622 күн бұрын
Now I want to see Part 2
@AskYwalker9732 күн бұрын
You and me BOTH lol
@0utrunner237Күн бұрын
Yeah ain't no way she gonna be able to convince me the special moves weren't "inspired by" Capcom.
@neddyf0019 сағат бұрын
No link yet ?
@johnboydojo22 сағат бұрын
Glad they lost! This lawsuit was a joke back then!
@ZycyzyxКүн бұрын
This is a great find, very interesting and entertaining. :) Mostly I love seeing all the behind the scenes stuff, character sketches and source photos, being a big Data East and FH fan.
@realizewave15132 күн бұрын
and she won the case.
@irregularhunterj8014Күн бұрын
I remember reading about this in GamePro magazine. Crazy.
@Red_SutterКүн бұрын
Capcom claiming copyright infringement while openly stealing ideas from Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure and various movies
@GeordiLaForgeryКүн бұрын
Fascinating bit of history thanks for sharing
@AmahlAmahlAmahlКүн бұрын
The Chun-Li shade was wild!
@vodkagobalsky13 сағат бұрын
This lawyer obvious did not win with Chun Li since she didn't know Chun Li was the strongest woman in the world.
@Money1FilmsКүн бұрын
Amazing piece of history, thank you.
@devonmcmillan2876Күн бұрын
Man who's the woman talking about the classics? She ain't bad lookin lol.
@kbxthegamemaster0620 сағат бұрын
fighter's history situation is crazy
@DoutorSocialGames2 күн бұрын
Awesome find! Imagine the damage it would have caused if capcom had won this BS lawsuit...
@JucelegarioКүн бұрын
yes because of the precedent it would have caused for the mugen and indie scene, however, this Fighter's History game is clearly emulating the vibe of a Street fighter game.
@DoutorSocialGamesКүн бұрын
@@Jucelegario the way people use mugen has nothing to do with this. People rip sprites and use them without permission, and it's a whole can of worms. As for Fighter's History "emulating the vibe", Technos (that published under Data East) could easily say that capcom was "emulating the vibe" of Karate Champ with street fighter, and use the same BS arguments... Not to mention going for other titles and ask about Final Fight, with its progression stage by stage being an "exact copy"(see the bs?) of Renegade.
@JucelegarioКүн бұрын
@@DoutorSocialGames dude, stop the weed, is killing your limited amount of neurons. If Capcom had won, it would have been the basis for any company, to sue any creator for the use of anything that looks vaguely similar, a bad precedent that would have made mugen impossible and mugen is not even vaguely similar. It would have changed how mugen and indie games are made.
@DoutorSocialGamesКүн бұрын
@@Jucelegario I didn't disagree with you. You might wanna re-read my comment. Also, notice that I said "the way people use mugen". It is an engine, and many different things might come from it, since it was initially designed to make shmups.
@JucelegarioКүн бұрын
@@DoutorSocialGames it wouldnt even have come to "the way people use mugen" because big companies wouldnt allow it, not even if it was shared for free...if Capcom had won this.
@meganinten0078Күн бұрын
Funny how Capcom sued Data East but later they copied their homework Capcom copied Lee's gameplay and gave it to Yun. No wonder Yun ended up so OP, Lee was Top Tier in every Fighter's History game Mizoguchi's TsuuTenSai is the original Shinryuken They gave it to Ken Ryoko Kano, the first female grappler, was the inspiration for Makoto Jean is the first character who throws a rose for his projectile and likes his suspenders. Something that Dudley got Meanwhile, SNK copied Ray's Dynamite Tackle and gave it to Terry Bogard as the Power Charge
@benakhiangte485618 сағат бұрын
yes, out of spite since they did not win the lawsuit.
@orlanzo26218 сағат бұрын
That’s something I noticed immediately when I first played New Generation back in 1997, the fact that Yun basically had Lee’s entire moveset. That definitely wasn’t a coincidence.
@David31584210 сағат бұрын
This is very interesting. :) I guess you have the second part and will upload it soon perhaps?
@BigBangBlitzКүн бұрын
I wanna see the video that data east used when they sued over allegations that Karate Champ was being copied
@zenmaster2423 сағат бұрын
matlok has sonic booms… sanchay has tiger knee… ray has hadoukens… thats about it for similarities
@daisukegori21127 сағат бұрын
Tiger knee is hardly original and Hadouken and sonic boom are close to any ki attacks from anime and manga
@zenmaster245 сағат бұрын
@@daisukegori2112 kind of disagree - while having a projectile attack might be common, they dont have to look the same - these attacks look virtually identical to their SF counterparts. for example, the projectile feilin throws is unlike anything in SF at the time. tiger knee the animation is very similar, but if it is a known muay thai move then i doubt they could claim anything.
@CRASHEM8000Күн бұрын
I need the 2nd part of that video so the lady can be like "Yeah, y'know what, Matlok's attack really is just Guile's Sonic Boom but whatever, that's one thing compared to like 77 so far, so y'all can have that one"
@lontr977112 сағат бұрын
According the the lawyer, that’s not a Sonic boom. He is throwing a banana.
@meganinten0078Күн бұрын
4:03 6:11 11:35 15:37 You can say all about the first Fighter's History but the music rocks!! 🎵 I really recommend listen to that soundtrack The music of Fighter's History is much better than the music of Street Fighter 2 Edit: If you have free time, search 'FIGHTER'S HISTORY MEDLEY'
@cesardante-barragan339410 сағат бұрын
No way
@Pewpewpew182Күн бұрын
Wow! Thank you so much!!
@joelwrose2 күн бұрын
Amazing. Please tell me you have part 2 :)
@restartmag2 күн бұрын
I swear that I've SEEN part 2, and really through it was also on this particular tape. I don't know that I remember having two separate tapes in my possession, so unfortunately I don't know that I have both parts.
@joelwrose2 күн бұрын
Ok, I hope it turns up! Thanks again for sharing this. This is super fascinating to see this after only ever hearing a few basic details about the case! I love seeing a 90s business professional discuss whether or not Sagat wears earrings in a very serious tone 😂
@mmking99992 күн бұрын
Zanjeef 12:01
@AskYwalker9732 күн бұрын
Zanjeef is CRAZY 😂😂😂
@meganinten0078Күн бұрын
"What's a Zanjeef?" *PUNCH* "OH! 😮"
@AskYwalker973Күн бұрын
😂😂😂@@meganinten0078
@victorcamarena577621 сағат бұрын
😂
@lontr977112 сағат бұрын
She is the 10% who pronounces Ryu correctly so I am going to assume this is correct as well.
@tanktyuhsr2 күн бұрын
Wow how did you find this history
@restartmag2 күн бұрын
Came across the tape while digging through all of the things that were laying around the GameFan offices. Ended up just taking it home one day, put it in a box of other VHS tapes when I moved, and then finally happened to find it all of these years later.
@shenglongisback468816 сағат бұрын
Must of been Capcom USA that filed the suit. Etsuko Alderman not too bad on the eyes😅
@markula_4040Күн бұрын
Pretty silly when you consider that Ken's theme is a ripoff of a song from Top Gun and Balrog (the boxer) is a complete ripoff of Mike Tyson likeness.
@meganinten0078Күн бұрын
Also Bison/Dictador is a rip off of Washizaki from Riki-Oh Guile's theme is very similar to the song 'Travelers' by T-Square
@TangiblesTrackerКүн бұрын
What is her name? Esko Adelman? I'm having trouble hearing her first name.
@GeordiLaForgeryКүн бұрын
ito?
@faintsignalКүн бұрын
@@GeordiLaForgery The transcript says "Ito" but the audio definitely sounds like "Esko".
@MitsuSCКүн бұрын
Sounds like “Itsuko” or “Etsuko”
@TangiblesTracker17 сағат бұрын
@@MitsuSC You're right. It looks like it is Etsuko Adelman. I found her name in the credits for a pool game made by Data East.
@TonySkittleAlive1842 күн бұрын
Around this time frame so many companies were trying to cash-in on Capcom's mega success • companies like Banpresto (former Bandai), Taito, Konami, Irem Corp, Seibu Kaihatsu, Technos Japan, Jaleco and many more.... Even SNK !
@cesardante-barragan339410 сағат бұрын
They only point out the differences, but there are soooo many similarities. The special moves are blatant copies!
@Money1FilmsКүн бұрын
They are different enough to have no true case.
@Layanor2 күн бұрын
Part 2 please
@IronBroccoli2 күн бұрын
It’s interesting that she interpreted chunli as girly and not to be taken seriously when you’d only see that victory dance if she beat you. Not to mention that all fighters don’t have to feel the same about fighting or taunt or celebrate the same way.
@TonySkittleAlive1842 күн бұрын
Awesome 😎 good job 👍 I have just joined your channel and we are connected now 🙂 I been playing "Fighter's History" and the sequel "Karnov's Revenge" a lil' bit more than my all time favorite "Street Fighter 2" lately..thanks to the Antstream app on PlayStation. I see a few similarities to SF2 but yeah a lot of techniques and mechanics are very different from SF2. I think Capcom were trying to get a lawsuit on Data East for no reason. As a matter of fact, I think ADK's "World Heroes" is more of a SF2 clone than "Fighter's History" but ay...
@QQnowQQlater2 күн бұрын
Ah yes, guile's sonic boom, upside down overhead kick... and the "not sagats" true to muay thai... the tiger knee... which they purposefully showed misleading images since you dont hurl yourself through the air to do them. nice dizzy state too.
@orochikyo431420 сағат бұрын
She mispronounced Zangief. She said it with a soft 'g' instead of a hard one.
@vodkagobalsky13 сағат бұрын
I use the character Zhan Jeef!
@megamix5403Күн бұрын
Hopefully people will shut up about Fighter's History being a Street Fighter clone. Seriously, how would you think a French is similar to a Spaniard?
@LeeONardoКүн бұрын
But Fighter's history is a SF clone. It uses the 2D fighting game template, just as much as so many copy cat releases whether they are good or not. Same thing happened with Doom, we had numerous Doom clones, Gran Turismo? lots of clones of it etc. The real issue is with people saying Fighter's History is a 1 to 1 rip off of SF2, now that's the silly issue since as this video shows they are different, at least to a degree.
@meganinten0078Күн бұрын
Yeah, I think the same. The first time I saw Jean, I thought he was King's (Art of Fighting/KOF) younger brother but grown up 😆 What is interesting is that both Jean and King are french, blondes and like roses
@StriderVMКүн бұрын
@@LeeONardo Dude, racing games existed before Gran Turismo.
@vasileios630113 сағат бұрын
@@meganinten0078 King is British and a Muay Thai fighter
@AskYwalker9732 күн бұрын
Yeah.....Capcom was RRREEEAAACCHHHHINGGGGGGGG😂😂😂
@meganinten0078Күн бұрын
Many say Fighter's History copied ideas but almost no one mentions that FH created original archetypes for fighting game characters. Matlok introduced the rock musician fighter, something we would later see with characters like Lord Raptor (Darkstalkers) and I-No (Guilty Gear) Mizoguchi introduced the student delinquent (despite being 27 years old) who has bad luck in his studies, something we would later see with Kyo Kusanagi (KOF) Ryoko is not only the first female grappler but also the first grappler who is fast and small Something we would see with Ryoko Izumo (World Heroes) and Hinako (KOF) Clown introduced the joker character, something that we will see later with Joker (Savage Reign/Kizuna Encounter) and Hyena (KOF) He is also the first character to use cards as projectiles in fighting games 🃏 Feilin is a chinese opera actress, something we would later see with Mian (KOF) Jean is the first aerobic gymnast fighter and the first to use roses as projectiles
@puke715 сағат бұрын
how does she sound so much like google translate lady?
@thedarkknight61592 күн бұрын
What about the dizziness stars? The function and looks is nearly 100% same as in SF2 :)
@MagmaMKIIКүн бұрын
Dizzy actually functions in a completely different way in FH.
@KimSamaVideosКүн бұрын
Yet Capcom USA used the ugly artwork of the characters instead of the Japanese ones
@angelvalle651511 сағат бұрын
Clearly a knock off but just different enough 😂
@tadeuferreira4059Күн бұрын
There's no way to defend Fighters History here; it's a good game and it has some original elements here and there, but the fact it is the game takes way too elements from SF2, without a doubt!
@daisukegori21127 сағат бұрын
Street Fighter 2 copied from real life fighters and other anime and games.
@ViviantogaКүн бұрын
Ah, to be one of Chun Li's... "poofs?"
@Ferhat1983Aydin-nz6tu23 сағат бұрын
Atari salaoons games
@DungarooTV22 сағат бұрын
I'm no lawyer, but Data East clearly copied Capcom. What this video conveniently fails to address is the fact that their movies are too similar!