Double Tailstrike? Plane Landing Goes Wrong

[@afb2]

That KLM landing was straight butter

[@cinegraphics]

F1 drivers, that's how you preserve your tires.

[@힐만94]

KLM Pilot : so no typhoon? ATC : no KLM Pilot : no windshear? ATC : negative KLM PIlot : all right, it's text book landing then...

[@EdOeuna]

Except it’s against the Boeing procedures to do this.

[@PN_48]

“Butter”…. Said no pilot ever😂

[@jarekferenc1149]

The people on board will taste this butter at the end of the runway.

[@user-de2zo1bw4d]

The KLM Pilot didn’t even realise he had landed because it was so smooth and so he kept the nose wheel up.

[@Sgt_Bill_T_Co]

That was at Schipol where they often do that, I think it's a competition among pilots.

[@albixx3893]

Maybe just used aerodynamic breaking to save the breaks, to show off or both.

[@user-de2zo1bw4d]

@@albixx3893 Actually, commercial aircrafts dont use aerodynamic braking.

[@rdspam]

@@user-de2zo1bw4dcommercial aircraft certainly can keep the nose up, increase surface area, and increase aero drag. They’re not immune to the laws of aerodynamics. The elevators were clearly in full up.

[@albixx3893]

@@user-de2zo1bw4d Do you wanna bet on that? I saw a few videos on youtube commercial pilots using aerodynamic breaking.

[@jooststeeghs5884]

The KLM pilot was like, OH SHIT IM ALREADY ON THE GROUND!!

[@Vaginaninja]

A lot better than their Tenerife performance

[@fivestringslinger]

That KLM crew buttered that landing so hard my cholesterol went up.

[@grahammonk8013]

@fivestringslinger LOL!

[@PN_48]

“Butter”…..🤦‍♂️

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

No one in aviation says “butter”. 😂😂

[@PokèAviator]

@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183I do

[@fivestringslinger]

@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 I'm sorry that you haven't heard of AirForceProud95.

[@Youtub77W]

Tower: "taxiway bravo, then turn right alpha at alpha 1…" ITA pilot: "We don’t do that here"

[@Ayden2008]

Yea we taxi off road

[@skoodledoo]

I was once on a Qatar Airways A320 arriving in to the old Doha airport. After turning in to the gate we came to a sudden stop. Apparently we had turned in to the wrong one or it wasn't ready (can't remember what the flight crew told us over the PA). We ended up doing a powered 180 out and taxiid to our new gate.

[@Yonkage-ik5qb]

Once had a plane fly into a gate where the jetway malfunctioned. They went to get a different one, only to realize that it was made for a larger plane (an Airbus), and could not reach the door. So we had to get a pushback... of about 6 feet. The whole process took about 45 minutes, because of course it did.

[@johnandrews3568]

Legend has it that the KLM 777 is still wheelie-ing around the airport taxiways.

[@EdOeuna]

On his way to the CP’s office.

[@sammyhill69]

And there's a number for him to call.

[@chrisgustafson4537]

😄

[@60gregma]

Is the wind ever NOT raging at Heathrow?

[@Pesmog]

This winter and spring has just been so windy. Folks are getting fed up with it.

[@ThePorkypete51]

Try living here 😔

[@paulhare662]

The UK blows.

[@PN_48]

Yeh most of the time… just not in Winter!

[@influxoftux]

@@paulhare662LOL

[@Zerochroma15]

That reverse thrust go-around was a colossal fuckup, goddamn

[@chrisdiver5100]

Well, without knowing the reason, it could have been a lifesaver for all onboard. It’s not approved to taxi into the grass either but sometimes you got to do what you got to do.

[@jim2lane]

I had seen that landing in another clip. The pilot quickly determined there wasn't enough runway left for the rollout in the wet conditions

[@Arcadiez]

@@chrisdiver5100 NO NO NO NO NO, once reverse selected you're committed to the landing. Just look what the TAP accident few weeks ago in cph.. This exact reason. Can see Mentourpilot video on it

[@Zerochroma15]

@@chrisdiver5100 I'd love to hear the CVR from the flight, it would be interesting.

[@FMA_Aviation]

But aircrafts are certified to do that, though it's indeed forbidden

[@ukar69]

I was watching the BA flight when it happened. The runway had to be closed temporarily while it was checked for possible debris. Five flights had to go around.

[@NeonVisual]

Performing a wheelie should get bonus landing points.

[@jim2lane]

Keeping the nose up increases drag thus decreasing the length of the rollout

[@u2bear377]

@@jim2lane In other words, _aerobraking._

[@com-n-sense]

@@jim2lane Completely wrong. Doing that is not good at all as it increases the landing distance and is bad practise. From my own experience as an airline pilot only former military pilots were doing this with airliners. I, as a member of the flight crew, then got emails from the safety office, as this type of rollout was popping up in the monitoring system of the airline.

[@RealGaryGibson]

@@com-n-sense There's no brakes in the nose gear. How can a wheelie increase landing distance?

[@jim2lane]

@@com-n-sense Are you saying that a plane in level flight has the exact same amount of drag as one with a high AOA?

[@doccu]

Why the reverse thrust are forbidden?

[@tamvst3666]

takes too much time to stow reversers, and engine to spool back up

[@neothermic1]

From memory it's about the sequence. You only select reverse thrust once you're happy with the landing, i.e. you're not going around. To select RT and then go-round indicates that the pilots were a bit happy on the RT, or someone moved the RT levers by accident.

[@andrewlanders8473]

Look up the video by Mentour Pilot on Tap Air Portugal flight 754

[@b101uk9]

in case one of the reversers fails to retract or is much slower than the other and the engine ramp-up of thrust causes excess yaw, aircraft and lives have been lost to this - it is something that should only be done under a very narrow set of circumstance.

[@doccu]

Thanks guys👍

[@UnshavenStatue]

that thrust reverser goaround is damned terrifying, even tho it doesn't look bad. good on the engine designers damn

[@yanisgodofworld]

Could you explain why it is strictly forbidden and what it does to the plane?

[@UnshavenStatue]

@@yanisgodofworld thrust reverser takes considerably longer to enable/disable than otherwise it takes for engine power to be produced, also it's much more complicated and sensitive equipment, and if the mechanism fails in any way you might get increase of reverse thrust rather than TOGA power. all these things severely compromise ability to go around

[@ferrarikingdom]

⁠@@yanisgodofworldit is forbidden because when the aircraft lifts off, the reverser actuators are automatically locked out and depressurised so if one or both haven’t stored before takeoff they will be left open during the go around potentially resulting in an asymmetric-thrust situation beyond what most jetliners are designed to handle.

[@ferrarikingdom]

@@yanisgodofworldif you want a good example look up lauda air flight 004

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@ferrarikingdomit’s not forbidden.

[@mzmatze]

How soft do you want to land your Aircraft? KLM Dude: Yes!

[@gabsan2635]

Reverse thrust being strictly forbidden is new for me. Is it in a landing situation or you can't do it AT ALL? Or maybe it's for that model in specific or that airport or country?

[@Zerochroma15]

Look up the video by Mentour Pilot on Tap Air Portugal flight 754. It's a great breakdown and example of why it can be so catastrophic.

[@Daimo83]

If anything goes wrong you won't have the energy to take off

[@rdspam]

Forbidden to go around after they are deployed. Once they are deployed, you are committed to land. What was done here is like rejecting a takeoff after V1 for a single engine failure. You just don’t.

[@grahammonk8013]

@@Zerochroma15 What is not clear to me, is it supposed to be impossible for go around to be initiated once reversers are selected? Or when reversers are *activated?* (on landing) If so, how did it happen in this case? If it is simply *forbidden,* is the pilot now facing a hearing?

[@Rom4yk]

Not the reverse thrust itself. Going around after deploying thrust reversers isn't allowed.

[@PetrolHeadBrasil]

That KLM landing... ohh boy! Gorgeus!

[@timoswindowseat7045]

The KLM 777 Pilot was maybe former pilot on the F-70/100. There this was standard landing procedure of KLM in AMS.

[@mrhoffame]

That crab was INSANE!!!

[@markmark5269]

That KLM landing was the smoothest I have ever seen. The pax wouldn't have even known they were down.

[@markmckeown87]

Why is the go around after reverse thrust strictly forbidden?

[@chrisjohnhyman]

See the TAP incident recently. Big No No

[@Zerochroma15]

Look up the video on Tap Air Portugal flight 754 by Mentour Pilot

[@MeijndertMotorsport]

Imagine what will happen if in this exact moment one of the trust reversers malfunctions and stays in the open position... 😉

[@rdspam]

Equivalent of rejecting a takeoff after V1. Once the reversers are deployed, you are committed to land. See TAP 754.

[@gordonbryan8381]

The 777 go-around after the reverser opened was against Boeing procedures, and is not taught ANYWHERE. If the reverser had not stowed, you are going around with one reverser opened and that engine at idle, and the other at full power. Air France is becoming the Aero Sucre of Europe.

[@m4nu507]

That KLM wheelie wasn’t on purpose. Notice how the ground spoilers only have halfway deflection after touchdown, causing the aircraft to still have some elevator authority. Once the spoilers go to full deflection (probably the PM noticed it and manually extended them) the nose comes straight down.

[@HomeyKing]

That klm landing is the most butteriest butter landing I’ve ever seen from a 777

[@oskarruhe581]

Where is the problem with reversers?

[@icollectstories5702]

0:54 Bonus fact: he was reaching for the cigarette lighter.

[@darlenefraser3022]

It’s against the rules to try to take off again after the reversers are applied. I learned that from the Mentour Pilot channel. It caused a big accident once.

[@starguy2718]

Apparently, you aren't supposed to do a go-around, once the thrust reversers have been activated. That makes sense.

[@bonbondesel]

I'm very curious about the reason of the go around from the Air France crew... If it's another thing that runway incursion, I don't see why and I hope they did not reverse the thrust while main gear was not stabilized on ground because if it's the case it's a great deviation from the procedures

[@Teri_Berk]

The reverse thrust was applied only for a fraction of a second i.e. it practically wasn't applied so it was safe to take off again. But still the reason for the go around is unknown.

[@u2bear377]

​@@Teri_Berk The engines probably did not spooled up at all. But it takes precious time to stow the thrust reversers before TOGA thrust could be applied.

[@bonbondesel]

@@Teri_Berk For information B777 FCOM states that safe flight is not possible after reverse. The reason is that engines have a great risk to bé stuck in reverse during the go around. Whether thrust had the time to go in the reverse direction has nothing to do with that. In any SOP in the world or in any type rating, the reverse must not be engaged if the main gears are not stable on the ground. Once reverse are used, it means that the crew is committed to land and that the decision is irreversible. Going around around after reverse are used is like rejecting a takeoff after V1. Not safe and forbidden. Unless there is an extremely good reason to take such a risk. Or maybe procedures are not usefull but I don't think so. They exist for a reason as every single procedure is written in the blood for the crashes to never happen again. Friendly.

[@bonbondesel]

@@u2bear377 for info, there is a good reason why the Boeing Flight Crew Operation Manual of the B777, Standard Operation Procedures of all companies and all Type Rating tell not to do that. Once used, reverse thrust have a high risk of remaining stuck in reverse while the go around thrust is set with the pitch attitude while the aircraft getting airborne again with the residual speed and energy. The result can be catastrophic. Very risky. Thrust reverse must not be used until the main gears are stable on the ground and full stop landing must be made once they are used. In some words, the crew must be fully committed to land once deploying reverse thrust. Going around after that is like to reject a takeoff after V1. We don't know yet what they did that but we already know that it's against the procedures. The only reason to take the risk to go around with the reverse stuck is to avoid a collision due to runway incursion. Otherwise I don't see why they would have taken this risk. Friendly.

[@Teri_Berk]

@@u2bear377 Well, the captain must have taken into account the time lost during the thrust reversal. There must have been such an unexpected problem on the runway ahead that s/he must have chosen to go around after the thrust reversal.

[@Steveatly]

2:40 a landing so good the passengers dont know when to start clapping

[@MhLiMz]

Why is reverse thrust forbidden? Isn't that the regular method of de-accelerating a plane when it has landed? Or is "*go-around* after selecting reverse thrust" forbidden?

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

You are correct

[@Progamerj175]

1:12 I flew today from JFK to Nairobi on Kenya airways and the same exact thing happen the pilot flared to early. I’m gonna post a video on the landing that you can use in your next video (you don’t have to give credits)

[@techcenter1696]

2:10 why couldn't they use reverse thrust? Well i guess maybe bc they wouldn't see behind them idk

[@shuttleman27c]

I know a couple delta a220 pilots that think their plane can fit anywhere. They decoded to go around a plane on the wrong side and taxid over multiple unoccupied gates instead if a marked taxi line on the ramp

[@hedonzx822]

When and at what time was this KLM landing? I can check my schedule if it was me.

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

Flex

[@Xaunoki]

KLM touchdown was super smooth, but that nose-wheel should've come down as soon as the reversers were engaged. What if one reverser had malfunctioned? You'd veer off the side of the runway due to the uneven thrust. I've seen runway excursions happen due to holding the nose-wheel off the ground to bleed speed. Far less directional control. It's not a 172.

[@EdOeuna]

That’s why Boeing don’t want pilots to pull stunts like this.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

Idle reverse is fine.

[@brendanconnolly6129]

first one (BA 320 Neo) wasnt LHR (Heathrow)..not sure where though

[@markr2657]

It is definitely 09L at Heathrow. You can see the pods travelling from the car park to T5 and even the blue motorway signs on the M25!

[@brendanconnolly6129]

@@markr2657 Nope. here are no hills around Heathrow. Totally flat On one end there is the M25 and the other the reservoirs. All really flat. The pods could be anywhere. Cant identify the airport, but defintely not Heathrow. Blue signs mean nothing. Could be anywhere but not LHR or LGW. www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=view+of+heathrow+airport#vhid=eX-Jbj2g3H4QzM&vssid=l

[@Jetset_hd]

I don’t get the air france clip, why aren’t they allowed to use reverse thrust?

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

You are allowed to use reverse thrust, you’re just not allowed to go around after reverse is selected

[@ilovetotri23]

Could someone explain to me the severity of the Air France Boeing 777 go around? Kind of a novice here. Thanks

[@EdOeuna]

One engine still in reverse and the other engine spooling up to full thrust equals ball of fire at the end of he runway, or worse, in the shanty town at the end of the runway.

[@TheImperialChannel]

*That wasn't ITA Airways; that was an old Boeing 727-200 of Aerosucre in disguise.*

[@XXSkunkWorksXX]

Nah, was an old Aer Lingus pilot who thought he was at Dublin .... (c)-David Gunson.

[@christopherquinn1879]

It was an Air Source pilot flying a disguised Air Lingus plane as ITA who thought he was at Dublin.

[@rinleez]

I know why it is now forbidden to go around after deploying the thrust reversers, but what about very obvious cases, like another plane entering the runway in front of you etc?

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

It is forbidden because of the strong possibility of complete loss of control of the aircraft. If the captain can see a greater danger he can do wha he wants.

[@rinleez]

@@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 I'm pretty sure seeing a plane enter the runway while you have reverses deployed already classifies as "greater danger".

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

@@rinleezI’m sure you can imagine what ever you want, but I’m not sure why it’s interesting to anyone else

[@rinleez]

@@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 Then why do you bother?

[@marklaudi6655]

I suspect the SIA flare and float was deliberate. The Manchester runway has a bump. An extended flare gets the plane past it before touchdown.

[@fliqgaming007]

0:26 Ryan Air be like - wow that was smooth !!!

[@Da__goat]

Can we get a little more context on the Air France 777? Aircraft use reverse thrust after they land. Was the aircraft already in a go-around? The way its phrased and presented is kind of strange.

[@guy9360]

I think it touched down, the reverse thrust engaged, then they disengaged it and took off again. Which, apparently, is forbidden due to prior catastrophies.

[@737_Aviator]

The KLM 777 was executing a position that is referred to as the “air brake.” This is when the pilot on purpose keeps your nose up at an angle that causes air to hit the wing at a drag, causing angle. This can really help on shorter runways as it is more effective than the spoilers in some scenarios.

[@EdOeuna]

Except it’s against Boeing procedures and so demonstrates poor piloting skills and attitude from the KLM pilots. 777 FCTM: After main gear touchdown, initiate the landing roll procedure. Fly the nose wheels smoothly onto the runway without delay.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

It’s called aerodynamic braking. Not air brake. Also, it absolutely doesn’t help on short runways and is more dangerous on short runways.

[@DC10aviations]

how did bro get a double tailstrike??

[@newlam7958]

I don't understand the Air France 777 aborting the reverse thrust upon landing. All airlines use the reverse thrust on touch down.

[@Qwertyuiop_memes10]

2:36 Here at AMS alot of pilots do wheelie landings, especially KLM cityhopper pilots 🎉

[@paulknight5018]

I saw the plane that I got on back to SOU do what I though was really long on an embarer 190 (or 178) glad he got it straight down at SOU having recently been extended to 1,887 m just over half the distance of AMS runways! Lots of railway sidings at one end and a motorway at the other.

[@AkashKumar-wr7fe]

Why reverse Thrusters were prohibited ??

[@Chris-ho4ki]

Reverse thrust once selected upon touchdown, commits you to the landing. It is prohibited to do a go around after reverse thrust is selected due to possible lack of adequate runway remaining or a reverser not stowing properly, sending you into the weeds after applying max go around thrust

[@AeroDynam1cs_YT]

2:36 klm proving their 777 landings are one of the best and that they are the butter king

[@EdOeuna]

Except this is forbidden by Boeing. Anyone can butter a 777 in calm conditions and then hold the nose off the runway.

[@lead4you]

that 777 landing was butter

[@EdOeuna]

Easily done in those conditions.

[@PN_48]

“Butter”….🤦‍♂️😂

[@AdrianColley]

@PN_48 look, I get that you've never heard anyone talk of buttering a landing before. Today you're one of the lucky 10,000. You don't have to keep commenting about it.

[@PN_48]

@@AdrianColley Sure, I’ve never heard the term “butter” in aviation circles because no-one - about from YT folk - uses it. And just like those folk can keep using an incorrect term, I can meander through the comments pointing out the folly of their ways. And you can keep scrolling if you don’t like it🤷‍♂️

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@AdrianColleyI’m with PN. It’s ridiculous how people on KZbin use that term. No pilot says butter.

[@FMA_Aviation]

777 says: I can also do it, A330!

[@0w3nn]

Any airliner is capable of a butter landing.

[@mattmaddux7674]

@@0w3nn Very true, but the tilted mains will always look better doing it.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@0w3nnno airline can do a “butter landing”. No pilot ever calls it that. It’s a “greaser”. I don’t get where this butter BS comes from.

[@0w3nn]

@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 Too bad, lean in to the trend or be left out

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@0w3nn a bunch of KZbin warriors doesn’t make it a trend. 🤣🤣.

[@Nolifounai]

I bet KLM butter landing is the same dude than the 12:20 landing in Best of Aviation 2023. Same plane and airport.

[@imik3y]

Why is reverse thrust strictly forbidden?

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

It isn’t, you misunderstood the text.

[@ghostrider-be9ek]

take a chance, with air france! at least this crew waited for the T/R to be stowed and engines spooled up, before attempting to rotate to a tail strike - the a350 at yyz is still parked as it has serious structural damage done to it thank to AF doing this exact thing there, going around after TR deployment

[@RyanMiller3039]

Why would reverse thrust be forbidden?

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

It isn’t

[@adb012]

The go around after reversers selected is a big no-no. The pilot should be called to the chief pilot office for a serious conversation, then give him a couple of weeks to think of his action, then receive some corrective training, and then sign a paper promising to neve ever again do that (or any other intentional violation of the procedure). The only exception would be is something some unimaginable happened that forced the pilot to perform that go around after reversers to avoid a crash.

[@MarcosBay_]

Wasn't the 777 on the ground already?

[@emirates001butter7]

1:29 I have this moment as wallpaper on my phone. This exact aircraft and background

[@FlyGuy2000]

That KLM landing reminded me of the Iranian jet last year that had to land with damaged front gear.

[@Ateszika]

2:49 nice demonstration of how the flaps control the nose of the plane :D

[@u2bear377]

You mean spoilers? They don't. As speed decreases, so does rudder effectiveness, so they need the nose wheel on the ground to steer the airplane. They just put it down gently with elevators.

[@gordonbryan8381]

The 777 aero braking on landing is against Boeing procedures. Trying that stupid trick with an aft center of gravity puts the tail on the concrete.

[@BenBar213]

the KLM did one of the best buttery butter landings i've ever seen :o

[@PN_48]

So “buttery” you’d almost want to correctly call it a greaser!

[@Jakeblayze]

​​@@PN_48shut up and just let people call it a butter ffs

[@PN_48]

@@JakeblayzeWhatever ya clown. If you want to make up words we’ll just keep laughing about it at the flight club😂

[@PN_48]

@@Jakeblayze”Hey everyone look! He really blayzed that landing”. Makes about as much sense as “butter” and will always help bring me back to your post😂

[@Jakeblayze]

@@PN_48 k, still calling it a butter, still don't get your point.

[@tf7274]

First one was a flight simulator?

[@jwtsextra]

KLM captain to FO ‘mate, call the tower and check that we’re down’

[@patrickradcliffe3837]

1:13 good landing there. I think the editor has been looking at to many Ryanair landings.

[@johnshipley1389]

Here for the expert klm landing comments and I wasn’t disappointed

[@erickhurlburt4462]

"um I'm actually afraid of fly-" "WE'RE GONNA CRAAAASH"

[@77Fmydog]

bro that klm piolet needs to become an astronaut lol

[@mrhoffame]

OMG how beautiful that 777 looked at the end :0

[@cf104b]

My guess would be that the 777 autoland / autothrottle was engaged and the pilot overrode the system due to something on the runway. A press of the TO/GA button is all it takes.

[@Chris-ho4ki]

If you’re doing an auto land you still have to manually select reverse thrust. After reverse thrust is initiated, you are committed to the landing. If not, then you’re a test pilot….good luck…hopefully your reverser(s) stow properly and you have enough runway remaining

[@cf104b]

I see your point and agree. Let's just assume that the reward outweighs the risks in this scenario and the correct choice was made.

[@EdOeuna]

Toga doesn’t work on the ground either.

[@ekbusdriver]

Yikes. Air France and KLM not playing nicely today. 🤦‍♂️

[@johngreen6783]

I’m sure in that first one the co-pilot was yelling TOGA TOGA TOGA!

[@starguy2718]

"Ladies and gentlemen, this us your Captain, Bluto Blutarsky, speaking..."

[@clqudy4750]

A220- one of my favorite planes! Super quiet and fast!

[@berthebear_real]

Why is reverse thrust forbidden. I thought it was normal

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

Reverse thrust isn’t forbidden, you didn’t read the caption correctly

[@crystalx1222]

So many butter landings but the fact that they were not facing the way they were supposed to go psyched me out

[@maxracingteam23]

Wow. Beautiful landing by KLM!!

[@ge2623]

Little kid boarding KLM flight to the pilot: "Do a wheelie!!"

[@PROTLxONgame]

I wonder how that wheelie landing felt, looks like there was barely any action on the landing gear

[@tomlee7956]

We have all seen Aerosucre takeoffs but never approaches and landings... Wonder why that is...

[@FlyingDutchMan-hk8cu]

KLM aggressive landing approach skills for smooth touch down.

[@TaylenIsInsane]

Certified Classic a321 moment.

[@neevsanghavi28]

truly saying i just luv ur vids

[@f.m.6247]

I‘m wondering why the Air France did the go around

[@applejacks971]

KLM 777: "How to get disqualified from any Ryanair position"

[@spiff1003]

KLM... Aerodynamic braking?

[@robd2184]

You don’t do wheelers in jet airliners. If an engine quits you don’t have nosewheel to steer and the rudder is ineffective as you slow down. Jet fighters yes - aerodynamic braking

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

The engines are at idle, there’s no swing

[@alpinweiss]

In these videos don't ever read the descriptions. Just enjoy the videos

[@Grim_war_thunder_mobile]

The engine on the B777 was like Oh hi, bye

[@Ayden2008]

00:54, they could have ended up like that TAP a320

[@resatk3488]

Double tailatrike? I am not sure… Double nice KZbin Channel here? Yes, of course ! 👏 ✈️

[@rdspam]

“Almost” a double tail strike. I.e. - nothing.

[@MeppyMan]

Apparently they thought they may have hit and had to do a runway sweep before anyone could land. Near misses are still amazing to watch and preferable over an actual incident.

[@aaserabdullatif5940]

Regarding Air France they made a rejected landing its different than goarround , BA it didn't make a tail strike

[@ChicagoAirportSpotter]

That ITA "incident" - High school diplomas fix what college degrees f*cked up...an old saying I picked up while in the military. I use it now quite a bit at my jobs at ORD. I have a college degree myself, but I dont fly airplanes, I'm ground crew, lol.

[@Nobilangelo]

Go-arounds should not be attempted backwards. Only forward-motion has been approved. It's something to do with lift...

[@thunderamu9543]

GOAT on the wheel of the 777, perfect technique!💯👍

[@PedroConejo1939]

Keeps all the sloshing diarrhoea in economy.

[@u2bear377]

What's 'GOAT'?

[@thunderamu9543]

@@u2bear377 Greatest Of All Time

[@EdOeuna]

Strictly against Boeings procedure, so if breaking procedures makes you a GOAT then that’s a shame.

[@gulthepilot]

Looks like the 777 reverse is bombay airport.

[@harvey364]

Yes, that's why the screen says Mumbai Airport at 0:47 😉

[@gulthepilot]

@@harvey364 lol...I didn't catch that..

[@hotrodray6802]

Textbook perfect landings. Go around is better than runway excursions. Push back was appropriate for the mistake. ALL GOOD PILOTS doing their job correctly. 👍👍😎

[@elite1ns4n1ty7]

You can’t tell but it looks like the BA a321 might have just about avoided a tail strike

[@GG_Booboo]

I wonder if the 777 pilot was given a number to call😅 Btw 777 always appear so large!

[@ryanfrisby7389]

Great video!😸

[@tiemji]

?ice set of vids, thanks

[@dale2540]

Those KLM's are always well known for their wheelies! 😉

[@sourich585]

Sorry the push-back vehicle is called a Tug not Tractor

[@thomash2806]

Going around after selecting reverse thrust is ‘strictly forbidden’, but going against the rule is possible if you can demonstrate that it was safer to do that than to obey the rule.

[@EdOeuna]

It’s against the rules so thinking about doing it shouldn’t come in to your thought process.

[@thomash2806]

What I’ve described is not my opinion; that’s how it works in real aircraft operations. Breaking the rule is a pro-active solution in a situation the rule wasn’t designed for. I’m interested to know if you are connected to the industry? Or another high-risk environment?

[@EdOeuna]

@@thomash2806 - no real life operations allows wilful disobedience of procedure. The only get out clause is the Captains authority during an emergency, which this wasn’t one. It would also be impossible to demonstrate safety in this instance as the landing geometry is invalid.

[@thomash2806]

Do we know the situation of the aircraft in the video precisely? There must have been a reason for the event; perhaps something we don’t know about? What do you mean by ‘the landing geometry is invalid’?

[@EdOeuna]

@@thomash2806 - for some reason they decided to go around after reverse thrust was selected. That is a big no-no. There is no counter argument to that. As for landing geometry, there are dozens of pages in the 777 FCTM that describe the landing geometry. It covers the height above threshold, deck angle during the flare, and the effects of no braking / no reverse / no speed brakes, etc, on the landing roll. Reverse thrust is to be sel3cted as soon as weight is on the main gear, and you then initiate the baulked landing procedure. The landing geometry doesn’t really take into account landing, slowing down a bit with brakes and reverse, then stowing the reversers, applying max manual thrust and then getting airborne again. These guys are operating the aircraft beyond how Boeing intended or certifies.