Douglas Murray on the term "white privilege"

[@theequianoproject]

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[@tfwiii]

The concept of white privilege was barely even touched on in this clip. So a terribly misleading title. Which is a pity because some interesting, if off topic, points were made.

[@nortorius]

@@tfwiii Yeah. And hearing her response (or sourcing the video) would have been nice

[@albertcornett7408]

Blocking your channel. White privilege is real.

[@logike77]

@@tfwiii Maybe try to connect the dots. He's objecting to the "special treatment" race has received as dimension over all the other ways someone can by privileged or disadvantaged, and cites historical examples of this. Sex and race are "now part of the cannon. It's not black history; it's just history. It's not women''s history; it's just history." The concept of white privilege is oversimplified and 2-dimensional, thus its analysis of complex society is going to be superficial at best.

[@tfwiii]

@@logike77 Yes, I agree. As I said, some interesting subjects covered in the video. I just didn't feel the white privilege, which was the title of the video was discussed in very much detail. Hence my comment. But yeah, I agree that there are lots of really interesting things to be talked about in this area. So, yeah, I think I agree with you.

[@jimwhippet3697]

White privilege? What's that? My Mother born 1908 (I'm 77 by the way) was too poor to have a doll. Picked coal from waste heaps to have a fire in the home. Felt hungry all of the time. My male line were coal miners for over 200 years, which meant some of them worked underground from the age of 7. I get very annoyed when I see well educated, comfortably off people spouting this kind of rubbish. What has happened to young people to cause this apparent stupidity?

[@Solidude4]

In 1908 Black people didn't even have the same rights as your mother yet you want to act like that isn't a privilege?

[@Solidude4]

Also it's funny you make this argument but if a Black person did the same all you racists would be calling them victims.

[@jimwhippet3697]

@@Solidude4 I'm racist now? You need to take a long hard look at yourself. Being bitter and twisted will spoil your life and probably end it prematurely. Please sort yourself out.

[@Solidude4]

@@jimwhippet3697 Funny because you're the one who sounds bitter and twisted. Bitter that the world has begun to hold White people accountable.

[@Solidude4]

@@jimwhippet3697 The only one who sounds bitter here is you. you're the one complaining and whining here about how poor your mum was.

[@bobbressi5414]

My Irish ancestors were treated like garbage. And that affected me not at all. And even if it did, I can hardly blame the descendants of the people who persecuted my ancestors. It is not their fault. I hate term white, as it is used by progressives. It lumps so many vastly different cultures together with vastly different histories.

[@coreydonohoe8121]

Given the long and arduous history of the Irish over the last thousand years., the adversity faced by anyone in the US was basically summer camp.

[@Trebor74]

What does the term bame do?or the new American term poc?🙄

[@NGCS-ej4lz]

Its all Cultural Marxism brought about, ironically, Zionists.

[@Solidude4]

@@coreydonohoe8121 Im glad you think slavery and genocide are like summer camp. says everything we need to know about you.

[@AC-mp7cx]

@@coreydonohoe8121 in the US??????? Are you delusional???

[@BassistPaul]

Ah ... the White privilege that saw my father working down a coal mine in South Wales at the age of 14.

[@garethwatkins6347]

My grandfather did too ❤❤❤ cymru am byth

[@tekay44]

My dad worked 2 jobs to get me and my brothers out of the projects. That’s my privilege. God bless him, RIP dad.

[@alganhar1]

My Grandfather also, and his father, and his father before him. My own father joined the Army specifically to stay out of the Pits or Steel mills.... A good thing really given that when all those Pits closed in the 70's and 80's almost nothing came into the Valleys to replace them....

[@Rebellpanzer]

And my mom picking cotton at age 8 all day in the Alabama sun

[@markjenkins8242]

My father didn't but my grandfather did.

[@bradonchristian6017]

Being hated by everyone, held to a higher standard and blamed for everything is a hell of a privilege.

[@johnlampe3258]

Not to mention being excluded for the immutable characteristic of my skin color and my sex

[@martinberthiaume4971]

​@@johnlampe3258the only people I know who were, according to them unfavored in life because of their gender or skin colors were clueless douchebags and they will never look at the real reasons they turned out to be unsuccessful in life . Every body who knew them could have told them that gender or color had nothing to do with it but why bother.

[@tallspicy]

100% not held to a higher standard. In modern history, plenty of mediocre standard was promoted. And in today’s world, same standard with everyone else finally getting a chance.

[@bradonchristian6017]

@@tallspicy the limit of your comprehension is showing.

[@martinberthiaume4971]

@@tallspicy that's called leveling by the bottom . Amazing how blind you are to history. Let's make certain that the people who made this world better for you are now pulled at the bottom while the barbarians are raised to the top - figure of speech,calm down -

[@holimoli2023]

Douglas Murray is brilliant. Always so knowledgeable and articulate. Always magnificent.

[@rachidhassaine5144]

Or you may be ignorant

[@kec7116]

I read a book from a 19th-century author visiting England. She recounted the sadness of horses descending into coal mines where they would live out their short lives. She, being of the upper class, missed that men, young men, and boys were also descending into that hell. That was the reality for many. Factories, coal mines, and bridge building meant early deaths for these privileged white men and impoverishment for their families.

[@AnonJohn143]

The road to Wigan pier is a great book.

[@johns.1854]

Fantastic solipsism. To most women, most men are literally invisible.

[@rebbrown7140]

​@johns.1854 that's too much resentment. It clouds one's vision and makes it hard to see the truth with a balanced perspective. Fair warning my friend!

[@frankmcgowan9457]

​@@rebbrown7140 Given that to which he was replying, @johns.1854 seems to be stating a fact rather than venting resentment. I would like to have a better understanding of your opinion here, though. Please elaborate.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

@@rebbrown7140 - And why isn't resentment against profound dismissal of a "lower class life" a good thing? Oh, by all means, just care about horses from an upper-class vision! ( Lest we forget the context here. ) Criticizing those who stand against such indignities and injustices is quite the clouded and distorted imbalance itself. Careful!

[@JohnGreenan-xh4tp]

My white privilege is working on a building site 9 hours a day 6 days a week to feed my wife and 3 kids. Iv been doing this the last 20 years. What a privilege x

[@tomgreene1843]

The country needs men like you ....many of my neighbours helped to build the UK motorways ...most folk who talk about white privilege were never outside working on a wet and cold day. A shout out to all you fellas and powerline workers etc

[@carlkuss8300]

Being knee deep in human waste in a 5ft deep hole I'd just dug fitting a manhole, at 47 yrs old. (sorry access chamber, don't want to sound sexist) to an existing soil main. Climbing out of the hole I see a 20ish year old black lady drive past in a brand new top of the range Mercedes. Privilege is about class and status, not colour and race.

[@Western_1]

The concept of white privilege isn't that your life isn't hard. It's that it would be harder if you were also of a disadvantaged group. Like imagine all that hardship *and* you have to deal with racism on top of it.

[@johnsteed9083]

Britain, built by men in overalls, ruined by men in suits.

[@ickster23]

​@@Western_1That arguement would make sense if the issue was measured by a single occupation or situation. The current narrative is that a white slave is more privileged than black billionaire. Can you explain that logic to me?

[@EDKguy]

No one can toss an insult like Douglas and make it sound so eloquent and sting so deeply.

[@robbiwouters]

When you call naming facts tossing an insult, Quite a bit of understanding is lacking, isnt't it?

[@mikeford963]

​@@robbiwoutersTodays young people find facts insulting, so tossing them out there is, to them, an insult because those facts don't give a rats behind about their feelings.

[@robbiwouters]

If the pride of their country and culture would be restored, those facts would feed their self‐esteem, methinks

[@petersommerville3574]

If he triggers you you don’t have to listen. Criticise ideas surely, but getting upset about eloquence is infantile.

[@alanv7569]

I’m 68 years old and still waiting for my white privilege to kick in. Must say I’m looking forward to it!

[@FirstLast-gk6lg]

They probably got the mailing address wrong and your $37 million dollar white privilege check got lost. You'll want to put in a request for a replacement check at your nearest white supremacy HQ

[@montrealbroadway]

I’ve been benefiting from my white privilege my whole life. It didn’t get me an NFL contract but it gave me a lot of other advantages. I started to realize this about 40 years ago. You have the option of being honest with yourself

[@norf-kr6od]

⁠@@montrealbroadwayAssuming this guy is being honest, he was alive to see part of the civil rights era. There’s no helping someone who’s that oblivious to the world around them.

[@montrealbroadway]

@@norf-kr6od most cushy, well paid jobs go to white people. Obviously there are exceptions….. not once, ever in my life, has a cop asked me for ID and said I “fit a description “….. I was once caught with open beer in my car. Got a small fine… I could go on

[@GregHassler]

​@@norf-kr6od Amazing that you know this guy's whole backstory, where he's from, how he was brought up and what he's been through all from a short sentence! You just know he admitted he's white and figured it all out! Amazing. I wish I could see as clearly as you obviously can.

[@nidfest]

Douglas is such an eloquent, brilliant man. I love listening to him. ❤

[@thetotaldepravity]

Thank you, Douglas. From a white working-class writer who spent his young life trying to defy his rotten education and difficult upbringing and the second half being told he's privileged.

[@kafkastrial8650]

If you were born post ww2. for a vast amount of people you were born into an antique land when compared to the present !

[@AnonJohn143]

Ah, how people forget

[@jamesh318]

Poor White kid turned “privileged” adult here too. Complete bullshit. Fuck anyone who uses this ignorant and racist rhetoric against White people.

[@eliakimjosephsophia4542]

I was born in the 1950s in London, I had a great junior and secondary school education. When I wrote my first manuscript, at first Random House publishers loved it, then when it got to the next level, they rejected it and then said, "come back when you are famous". LOL.

[@thetotaldepravity]

@@kafkastrial8650 That would depend on your family's situation. A person now who doesn't get the crap beaten out of him daily as acts of normality by drunk parents who are so overworked they will die young, in an area where violence is epidemic and a large percentage of young people will go to prison, or die of ODs, or be murdered...where most people leave school at 15 and have to work in mines, factories, and mills...Well, if you are young today and that doesn't happen to you, and you have been fortunate enough to go to university, and you don't have crippling mental issues from abuse, I reckon you are doing ok, especially if your family has been able to help out with money a little bit. The past wasn't all that much easier, you know. I have only a few friends left, most died in their 20s. Some parts of Britain in the 80s and 90s were dystopian. So. thinking about my own life, and my lost friends, and the parents who, in their turn, were also F**ked up by their parents, I find it hard to accept that we were/are privileged, say, more privileged than a non-male, non-white Guardian writer who had a nanny and was shoehorned into Oxford. Sorry about the messy writing. I'm ranting on my feet :) There is still a class system in the UK, and the past was just as bad as the present. Skin color doesn't really matter. What matters are opportunities, education, love, safety nets, the confidence to believe you are not condemned as the rotten class. The longer we focus on race or sex, the more we ignore the real crisis.

[@nigelsheppard625]

The plain fact is that there are certain pseudo-academics, certain journalists, radio presenters and certain politicians who make a living out of grievance.

[@AnonJohn143]

Grifters

[@Raycheetah]

And 159 years after the last slave was freed from the living holocaust of chattel bondage, there are *still* people making a business out of slavery, or at least its specter. One hundred and thirteen years ago, notable black scholar and former slave Booker T. Washington wrote about this in his book, “My Larger Education: Being Chapters from My Experience:” “There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs - partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.” Maintaining these old grievances is no better than keeping the hope alive for a revived Confederacy rooted in White Supremacy. ='[.]'=

[@petersanders2815]

@@AnonJohn143Farage.

[@jacquelinekirk5601]

Exactly. Well said.

[@AnonJohn143]

Ibrahim Kendi, Angela Rayner, James O'Brien, David Lammy, Femi, Owen Jones come to mind..

[@tekay44]

I grew up in the projects, my “white privilege” is that my dad stuck around and got us out of there.

[@markdwolf3198]

Get your privilege out of here, it's not fair that your dad did his job and mine didn't, pay me reparations or else!

[@paulpeterson4216]

So your "white privilege" is that your dad didn't get lynched?

[@PerfectCell9]

@@markdwolf3198hahahah 😂

[@AC-mp7cx]

racially driven comment

[@0501Cocoa-si3rs]

I agree for the most part. I too grew up in the projects of Jamaica Queens and the Bronx. My dad stayed with my mom until he died at 84 years old. More than long enough to make sure we were self sufficient and capable of leading a fruitful life.

[@stevelatimer995]

Thank you Douglas. Don't have much more to add. We need people like you. God bless

[@JLMcFarlin]

I never knew my father. I collected bottles by the side of the road whenever I wanted to have anything over and above the minimum. I knew thin navy bean and ham soup for supper, powdered milk for my breakfast cereal, and white bread with butter and sugar for an afternoon treat. I walked a mile on Sundays to a park in a complete other neighborhood and stood in the back of the line to see what might be left over at a weekly church lunch given out. My mother clawed her way off of assistance, but even with good test scores (not good grades), all my mother could do for me was support me for three semesters of college and then I worked my way through the rest over the next ten years, dropping out four times. I joined the Army and deployed three times and worked my ass off. That is the white privilege I experienced. I have the privilege of having BECOME a man. I have the privilege of being able to point at entitled jackasses and say “FU. Work for it.”

[@Yoganflogan]

A much more balanced and humane way of discussing these topics than so much of the shrill, judgemental current discourse. Thank you.

[@rodtanner921]

In an honest look at history, no-one comes out looking good.

[@evawettergren7492]

Martin Luther King is pretty good though. It is a pity people who cry about "White privilege" have seemingly forgotten about that dream of his, of a future where no one would judge another based on the color of their skin.

[@BroughtCat]

Facts bro.

[@TwinTalon01]

Quote of the decade. This should be on billboards, to remind everyone that humans of each and every stripe have been truly evil toward each other.

[@roni_foxcoon]

Including Switzerland, the country of watches and cheese also did a lot of terrible stuff. :)

[@N24-l5i]

We humans are rotten beings. The atrocities we have committed to peoples, countries, the natural world.

[@loudenlaffnite246]

The terms "white privilege" and "black excellence" are noxious.

[@AnonJohn143]

Completely toxic, agree.

[@tekay44]

Throw “baby momma” in there also. A putrid term for a mom.

[@earth8865]

So is black love, Pro black, black, queen, black girl magic, black power, black pride, along with black excellence. It’s not equality that they want, it’s special treatment and power. We need to address the hypocrisy and double standards cause if we as white people can’t say any of those things or have white pride then there is no equality, just black privileges. Not to mention they have black twitter, black movie categories, black entertainment, television, known as BET, black colleges, the promotion of black owned businesses, black magazines, etc. I was born in the 80s, and in my experience, I’ve never met a more rct, privileged, divisive, violent group of people in my life.

[@derekheim8172]

@@tekay44 Baby Daddy Life Insurance is a real company. The commercials are hilarious.

[@RohanGillett]

Whenever I hear black excellence names like Tiffany Henyard, Marilyn Mosby, Letitia James, and Sean "Diddy Combs" plus all the other "gangstas" come to mind.

[@trishyager308]

As a woman with darker than average skin and a conglomerate of backgrounds, I am so very tired of the divisive woke ideologies. She has a rather smug look as she asked the question, but it sounded like she was actually listening to the answer. That gives hope. A refreshing clip. The reality is we are all being played like puppets. Dividing us is the goal as part of a bigger goal of one world communism. Lord have mercy on us all.

[@LB-W]

No I find a lovely lady I could have a coffee and a nice chat with. ☕️💬

[@i.mantra]

I am white and have never, ever been “privileged” or been given anything for being white. Not at all. The term is so insulting ❤

[@mallan3024]

The term simply means you have had the privilege of not having to deal with the many disadvantages of not being white.

[@inevski]

It's about ingrouping and othering

[@guyledouche7939]

@@inevski exactly. White people are other-ized and everyone else is celebrated for having self admitted in group preference...so they project that onto White people and assume they do it too. White privlege is a projection of the anti-White racism most non Whites have been programmed with for decades.

[@guyledouche7939]

@@mallan3024 there are no disadvantages to not being White. In fact it's nothing but advantages. It's why you can't name any supposed disadvantages. Name a single example of someone using the word White to describe a noun with a positive connotation.

[@mallan3024]

@@guyledouche7939 Modern-day examples of white privilege can manifest in various aspects of life. Here are a few examples: 1. **Criminal Justice System**: - White individuals are less likely to be stopped, searched, arrested, or sentenced harshly compared to people of color for similar offenses. - Disparities in drug-related arrests and sentencing highlight systemic biases favoring white people. 2. **Employment**: - Studies have shown that job applicants with "white-sounding" names are more likely to be called back for interviews than those with "Black-sounding" names, even when qualifications are identical. 3. **Education**: - Predominantly white schools often have better funding, resources, and facilities compared to schools in predominantly non-white areas. - White students are less likely to face harsh disciplinary actions in schools. 4. **Housing**: - White people are more likely to secure housing in desired neighborhoods, often facing less discrimination from landlords and real estate agents. - There is a higher likelihood of receiving favorable loan terms and mortgage rates. 5. **Healthcare**: - White individuals tend to receive better medical care and more aggressive treatment options compared to people of color. - Biases in medical research and treatment protocols often result in disparities in health outcomes. 6. **Media Representation**: - White people are more frequently and positively represented in media, including movies, TV shows, and advertisements. - Stories and histories of white individuals are more often centered and valorized. 7. **Daily Interactions**: - White people are less likely to be subjected to racial profiling or discrimination in everyday interactions, such as shopping, dining, or walking in public spaces. - They are less likely to be questioned about their presence in certain neighborhoods or establishments. 8. **Political Power and Influence**: - White individuals have greater representation and influence in political spheres, including elected offices and policy-making bodies. - Policies and legislation are more often shaped to benefit the interests of white communities. These examples illustrate how systemic advantages for white individuals persist across various domains, contributing to broader societal inequalities.

[@sophianewtown]

I remember a few years back on Facebook I complained that I don't like this tendency to assume privilege based on skin color. I am a Jew from ex-USSR, a descendant of slaves (the feudal system), and have lived in poverty half my life. I was told "Oh, don't be silly, no one means the whites from USSR or Jews, it's about the actual colonizers like Brits and Spanish - Europeans!". Well, guess what, fast-forward to today...

[@brocklastname6682]

When progressives complain about colonialism or imperialism, it begins and ends with the British Empire. The Spanish or French are a distant second. No one else even gets a mention.

[@colonelturmeric558]

Which is false in itself considering the history of europe and serfdom.

[@jacobmatthews7524]

i resent being called a colonizer just because of the place i was born and the race i was born as. i resent being assigned an original sin that i didn't commit, by people whose ancestors did the same and worse than mine. (not saying you said it, just reacting to the sentiment of the people you described)

[@Moonuuu]

​@@jacobmatthews7524 if you're english nobody does more crimes than you literally make half of the world colony

[@ПОЧИНЮКУКУХУ]

Russia was colonized by Tatar Mongol hordes, who traded slavic slaves to Turks and Arabs. Turk took slavic boys to raise them like war slaves, called yaniçarı. Now they turned the tables and call whites colonizers. Given they shoot TV series where they portray what they did to girls from Venice, Greece, Ukraine and Russia and boys too. They castrated male slaves, when are they gonna apologise?

[@blah914]

my mom is not even 60, and she didnt have running water or a toilet in the house when she was a child.

[@gwae48]

And one generation further back would have been White (!!!) Children working 70 hour weeks in mines and factories. 😢

[@dagwould]

My mother-in-law died recently at 92. As a child in the depression, she had the 'white privilege of a hammer wrapped in old cloth for a doll.

[@rjay7019]

I'm 63, and I only have cold running water. At least I have a roof over my head. My parents were both born during the Depression. 6/24 I finally have indoor plumbing and hot water! Woo Hoo

[@KFLorenz]

Mine too, grew up in the 60's and 70's in glorious socialist-communist paradise of East Germany.. Which was considerably better than if you went even further East

[@jannewton5951]

My family too, no inside toilet, I remember the smell of the paraffin lamp, even in the 1970,s no fridge, phone, auto washing machine, freezer, car

[@bottleneck4593]

And I continue with the rant. My white family had two brothers killed in WW1. One of the bodies was never found. One killed in WW2. Two imprisoned by the Japanese. One lost his legs. Like most families on rations throughout the war and on rations after until I think 1953. Struggling to see the white privilege here.

[@johns.1854]

The typical progressive response is something along the lines of “but think how much worse off you would be if all of that had happened, and you were black on top of it!” They don’t word it quite like that, though, because it sounds racist when they do.

[@kwk111]

I don't think the idea of white privilege is completely unfounded, though the reality of it has been greatly exaggerated. These stats are just from a quick Google search so I don't know how accurate they are, but apparently in 2022 the poverty rate of non-hispanic white Americans was 8.6%, while the poverty rate of black people was 17.1% Taken at face value, the black poverty rate was almost double that of the white poverty rate. And to just say that "black culture" caused it is a bit short-sighted I think, but that's perhaps a longer conversation. All of this is not to dismiss the horrors of war your family members had to endure. A lot of leftists in the "victim groups" don't realize how good they have it. Also I'm a straight white man and I'm really struggling at the moment for reasons I won't go into, so I'm not really feeling my "white privilege" right now. Even so, there is some truth to the concept.

[@johns.1854]

@@kwk111 sure, I don’t think there are a lot of people who are actually arguing that racism and systemic inequality don’t exist. But that’s not really what proponents of white privilege as a concept are going for. They are trying to make people feel guilty about having been born a certain way, which sucks.

[@erueka6]

​@@kwk111even giving a sliver of considering to that filth invalidates anything you say after.

[@kwk111]

@@erueka6 I'm not sure what you mean

[@oceanofoil]

My grandfather grew up hungry in the depression, volunteered to fight in Europe after Pearl Harbor, was shot down in France, burned and injured to the point where he was blind and unable to eat for three days, imprisoned in Poland for 9 months, forced to march across Germany til the end of the war, and not once did I ever hear him complain. He only talked about how hungry he was when I refused to eat broccoli as a kid. Other than that, he never talked about the war. And he was just one of the lucky three who survived from his crew. The other seven died before they reached this girl's age. Where the hell was their white privilege?

[@user-sg8kq7ii3y]

His White privilege was when he came back to the United States, and he could go eat in any restaurant that he wanted to, drink from any water fountain, swim in any public swimming pool, use any public restroom, and rent/purchase any home or apartment that he could afford. In contrast, Black U.S. soldiers who fought in, got injured in, and died in the SAME war that your grandfather fought in returned home to the United States and COULD NOT eat in the same restaurants as your grandfather. They could NOT drink from the same water fountains or use the same restrooms as your grandfather. They could NOT attend the same schools as your grandfather. They could NOT swim in the same public swimming pools as your grandfather, etc. When they showed up to eat in a restaurant, they were often met with the phrase, "We don't serve N-word." They COULD NOT rent or buy the same homes, even if they had the money to do so. Banks would NOT let them borrow money. They could NOT secure a line of credit, etc., etc, etc, etc. Your grandfather COULD do all of those things. Also, when your grandfather was fighting in WW2, was his ENTIRE family locked up in internment camps back in the United States? Yeah, I didn't think they were. Well, let me remind you that the most highly decorated U.S. Military unit in WW2 was the 442nd Regimental Combat Team. This Japanese-American unit fought in some of the bloodiest battles in WW2, and they fought for and died for a country that held their parents and families in Internment camps back in their own home. Then, ON TOP OF THAT, when these decorated Japanese-AMERICAN soldiers returned back to the United States, as war heroes, they were often STILL met with, "We don't serve Japs..." Finally, your grandfather was PRIVILEGED that he was allowed to volunteer for the draft. Because those Japanese-American soldiers that I talked about in the paragraph above? Well, they also volunteered to fight for the United States, the country of their birth, yet they were initially told, "No you do not have the right to defend your country." The United States initially labeled them as "enemy aliens" by their own country. Was your grandfather ever labeled as an "enemy alien"? Yeah, I didn't think so. Now do you understand your grandfather's "privilege"?

[@tai_one1]

omg my DADS BROTHERS COUSINS UNCLES SISTERS DOGS PREVIOUS OWNERS shut the fuck up man. your grandad wasnt fucking enslaved and brutally raped and whipped. your grandfather was allowed to walk around the streets and ride the front of the bus without being attacked or MURDERED. grow the fuck up.

[@njh1811]

Brilliant Douglas, the voice of sanity

[@t.8936]

Finally soneone is saying it.

[@marloc2019]

This man is a national treasure

[@nancycrabtree6312]

I’d say a world treasure!

[@JeanetteFaith]

@@nancycrabtree6312 Thomas Sowell is as well.

[@AKdaJuiceGuy]

International

[@margaret7973]

we need him leading my country (The Netherlands) or the land where I was born ( The UK)

[@FraserMitchell-k4j]

Thank you Douglas Murray, for speaking the truth and common sense.

[@dennythegreek]

Working class kids were used to clean chimneys by making them climb up into them. It really wasn't as joyful as Mary Poppins.

[@hildajensen6263]

Yes, am sure that there are still houses with a little child stuck in the wall, that nobody knows about anymore. - These children wasn't worth the cost of rebuilding anything....

[@Attmay]

Yet *Song of the South* Disney takes away?

[@vatsmith8759]

@@hildajensen6263 I doubt it, a stuck child would have blocked the chimney and made all the fireplaces connected to it unusable.

[@nicktecky55]

Hardly working class. Many would have been 'apprenticed' to the sweep, who would then feed and clothe the kid in return. Some even gave them an education. It was that, the workhouse, or exposure as an infant. The other 'lucky' ones ended up at the mercy of the nuns.

[@vhaddad5249]

(Written in 1789) The Chimney Sweeper: When my mother died I was very young BY WILLIAM BLAKE When my mother died I was very young, And my father sold me while yet my tongue Could scarcely cry " 'weep! 'weep! 'weep! 'weep!" So your chimneys I sweep & in soot I sleep. There's little Tom Dacre, who cried when his head That curled like a lamb's back, was shaved, so I said, "Hush, Tom! never mind it, for when your head's bare, You know that the soot cannot spoil your white hair." And so he was quiet, & that very night, As Tom was a-sleeping he had such a sight! That thousands of sweepers, Dick, Joe, Ned, & Jack, Were all of them locked up in coffins of black; And by came an Angel who had a bright key, And he opened the coffins & set them all free; Then down a green plain, leaping, laughing they run, And wash in a river and shine in the Sun. Then naked & white, all their bags left behind, They rise upon clouds, and sport in the wind. And the Angel told Tom, if he'd be a good boy, He'd have God for his father & never want joy. And so Tom awoke; and we rose in the dark And got with our bags & our brushes to work. Though the morning was cold, Tom was happy & warm; So if all do their duty, they need not fear harm.

[@LisaG442]

1965 born, white. I started working at 13. My father the sole provider of 7 ppl. All us kids worked if we wanted extras. And half our pay went for rent to our dad. “Once you’re old enough, no one gets to live for free” he said. He himself was taken out of school at 13 and sent to work. I guess my “privilege”comes from my dad actually sticking around and seeing us raised. He didn’t just let us fall up.

[@Bingolbangol]

Totally agreed 👍. same experience. ❤❤❤

[@JPJMando]

This should be shown to every child at school of a reasonable age to understand it.

[@lyndkent-cl2oe]

100% ...What we are getting?..Age wonders of ones nature hormones ...sexuality?..being told too abused their bodies ..

[@kevinadamson5768]

My white privilege has allowed me to struggle all my life, struggled to settle in a school because my dad kept moving jobs, struggled to get an easy job because I didn't have the relevant qualifications to get one so had to do the shit jobs nobody wanted. Joined the army in my 20,s to escape it and struggled to do a hard job in places you wouldn't send your dog to. Left the army and worked 10 years in an engineering factory doing hard tedious work, packed that in and worked myself to the bone doing landscape gardening, I'm now 61 and my white privilege has broke my mind body and spirit to the point I can't work anymore. I've got six and a half years if I last that long to get a paltry pension for all my hard work and endeavour. If that's what you call white privilege you can keep it. 😢

[@itsMe_TheHerpes]

61. part of the problem. you could have solved things very easily. but.... you didn't. reap what you sow.

[@kevinadamson5768]

@@itsMe_TheHerpes I had k5 schools before I was t11 when most kids have 2. I'm not stupid I was successful in every job I e done and ran my own landscaping business for twenty years. The point I'm making is not everyone is born entitled no matter what colour of their skin, I personally couldn't have tried any harder in my life.

[@itsMe_TheHerpes]

@@kevinadamson5768 "no matter the color of the skin" you just had to specifically mention that, right ? i mean god forbid you would say otherwise. we all need to see how inclusive you are and how morally superior, right ? how about you give me a break ?

[@kevinadamson5768]

@@itsMe_TheHerpes bet you've had a mollycoddled life.

[@itsMe_TheHerpes]

@@kevinadamson5768 i was expecting this sort of answer from the likes of you.

[@reedr7142]

His comment about people displaying their ignorance is so accurate.

[@ryanmillar9607]

Every time I listen to Douglas Murray, I gain a new point of view or useful knowledge.

[@motelr]

cant know much to start with then

[@FindTheFun]

"I'm getting rather fed up of people who have only just discovered things presenting it as if everyone else is as ignorant as them." Damn, spitting Dougy over here spitting bars dude.

[@daniellehewitt3305]

Douglas I see your frustration. Please keep going. Most of us aren’t able to put an argument together anywhere near as well as you even though we know and understand the issues and the histories. Thanks mate!

[@tadget0566]

My grandmother started work at 12 yrs of age they where called part timers went to school in the morning and worked in the mill in the afternoon my father started work at 14 doing 12 hour shifts in the mill which he had to walk miles to get to to the only privilege I have is to be born into better times. But I suppose the myth is far better to beat you down with than the truth

[@hildajensen6263]

My grandmother started as a maid of all work on a farm at 16. The truly sad part is that she would still prefer that life to being 16 today. Looking at her great grandchildren, she laments how they have no opportunities to make decisions about anything that actually matter and experience the consequences of those, and thereby develop both personality and character. In stead they are stunted into a too long childhood that they might never leave and filled with frustrated energy.

[@TheEmmaLucille]

I LOOOOVE this man!!! I am so FED UP of all these ignorant people acting as if they know everything!

[@bl4531]

Me too. The ones I find who know everything on here are the pro- pale - anti Israeli know-it-all. supporters .

[@---df5sr]

How can anyone listen to Douglas and not be impressed

[@paulpeterson4216]

It's really easy. The trope that white people can point to poverty in the past and that excuses white-dominated society from any responsibility for the aftermath of slavery and colonialism is pure sophistry. Yes many, most even, white people had hard lives; however, if they had not been white yet put into the same spot, they would have had it harder. In almost any situation a non-white person would have been disadvantaged versus a white person throughout the entire colonial and "post" colonial era and this is entirely due to white-supremacy and white racism.

[@pavel590]

@@paulpeterson4216 will we ignore that white ppl were able to exploit non-white ppl only due to the help of other non-white ppl? Also, why are we considering only starting from colonial era? How many years should pass until you guys will say "now its ok"?

[@SnerMerNer]

@@paulpeterson4216White man bad, everyone else good. Got it…

[@Lukewarme]

Any history teacher at least :)

[@YourBestFriendforToday]

@@paulpeterson4216The fact that you put at the feet of white peoples, slavery, tells me how little you know.

[@scott-qk8sm]

Proud of my Anglo Saxon culture and accomplishments

[@heisenbones420]

As a spaniard, I have an innate hatred towards England, but I'm Happy that you are Happy about your culture.

[@burtmantooth8913]

I’m amazed at how he can consistently be so polite to everyone.

[@darrenambrosia]

I agree with most of what he says, but his pompousness and condescension aren't polite

[@brother1ray]

Douglas nails it as usual! All the 'Studies' recently invented 'disciplines' do NOT want their favourite authors to simply be normalised, as they already are, because they NEED them to be kept separate for their own "Grift Studies" departments to continue....................Simples! 🤫🤔

[@steelcrown7130]

I may be wrong, but I think I detect an Australian who has seen a certain ad campaign...😆

[@brother1ray]

@@steelcrown7130 No idea what you're talking about, and not an Aussie either!

[@steelcrown7130]

@@brother1ray In Australia for years now we have had an ad campaign for a group (Comparethemarket) that helps you to choose insurance companies. The ad campaign has a pair of meerkats speaking in Russian accents explaining how easy it is to choose between companies if you use their services. Every ad finishes with the main character finishing the explanation and then saying direct-to-camera "Simples". It was just the way you finished your comment with "simples" that made me think you were channeling what has become a common catchphrase here. PS the meerkats were originally a very bad pun based on Comparethemarket with Comparethemeerkat. The Russian accents were, and remain, completely baffling. It is, and has always been, a dog's breakfast of an ad campaign, but for some reason "simples" took off.

[@jukesy1992]

@@steelcrown7130 We also have this in the UK and they're still using simples.

[@steelcrown7130]

@@jukesy1992 Thanks, had no idea! I thought we were the only country that had to put up with it!

[@S1ipperyJim]

This is why Malcolm X believed in reparations not just for black people but for poor white people

[@ukbloke28]

A lot can be learned from his journey.

[@paulstuart4776]

With white privilege implies reparations. My ancestors fought in the Union army in the American Civil War. My great-great grandmother’s first husband was killed in that war. Didn’t they pay the price for slavery? My parents grew up during the Great Depression and endured the Dust Bowl. Eating dandelions from their yard was common. Dad survived three airplane wrecks in WWII as a Navy pilot. He had not expected to survive the war. Where is the white privilege? Yet, I am privileged in that they raised me with love, to love others, to strive for an education, and to celebrate people’s achievements.

[@jacobmatthews7524]

reparations were paid in blood during the civil war. then they were paid again with the welfare system. and they were paid exponentially with the wealth of technology, rights, democracy, infrastructure, science, and medicine we have given them.

[@OzixiThrill]

@@jacobmatthews7524 The Civil War was nothing in the grand scheme of things. The century long crusade that Great Britain waged against slavery, on the other hand? Where they put themselves into over a century of debt just to make sure that the practice would not continue? Yeah, anyone tells you that "blacks" are owed reparations is outing themselves for their ignorance.

[@tallspicy]

What utter crap.

[@jacobmatthews7524]

@@tallspicy return 2 afrika

[@Stellectis2014]

No it does not imply reparations. It simply a tool to devalue another's opinion. It's a mean less term that implies all white men are cynical about others, and only care about power. It's a false dichotomy of behaviors that fail to describe all facets of the human experience. If power was the only lens men looked through I guess we have no free will. We are mindless zombies predictably hungry for unconditionally control of others. We would be hedonist to the very root of any conscious thought. There would be no sacrifice we would make for others if it meant suffering. There is no truth to any of that.

[@shawnaweesner3759]

My grandfather, NOT my great grandfather, but my grandfather, attended a 1 room public school house during the winter months, barefooted. This was fairly common in America during that period of my grandfather’s childhood; many families could not afford to buy their children shoes. During the winter, in order to get to the schoolhouse, which was a mile or so away, he ran barefooted through the snow until he couldn’t feel his feet. He then stopped, dropped a board on the ground -a board that he had been holding inside his coat next to his body to keep it warm-and stood on top of the board until he could feel his feet again, and then he continued running through the snow toward the schoolhouse repeating the process until he reached it. My grandfather attended school until the eighth grade when he had to go to work full time on the farm. He never complained about his lack of education, and he always appreciated that he food to eat on a daily basis (many Americans were hungry or starving).

[@webwhisper2701]

@@shawnaweesner3759 wow…that was difficult for him … it was clever to carry a board to drop throughout the distance…

[@michaelcasile1036]

Douglas Murray is brilliant. I would never want to argue with him. I don't know that I could successfully argue the existence of air against Douglas Murray

[@Twistedsoulmusic]

He's average at best. You're easily impressed.

[@michaelcasile1036]

@@Twistedsoulmusic Guessing if I was convinced that only leftist voices were to be listened to ... I wouldn't be imprejssed either.

[@taqiya3504]

Being raised by two parents is not a privilege, but it is an advantage.

[@AndreComtois]

It used to be a norm.

[@brother1ray]

Yes, but that advantage is real and resented by certain demographics, (and grifters!).

[@rebecca_stone]

Respectfully, whether or not that[s an advantage depends on the mental health and state of the marriage of those two parents.

[@brother1ray]

@@rebecca_stone More than a century worth of data tells us 2-parent married families have the best outcomes for children....by far!

[@pamclarke6785]

Yes and 1 or 2 children being brought up properly than having 4 or 5 kids dressed in rags,snotty noses, and begging for food, is also an advantage...

[@garethbuckeridge6910]

'White Privilege' is a stereotypical term that was coined in 2020 and tars all white people when really it only applies to a small minority. I recall the struggles of my grandparents to make things better for future generations. Many ordinary people experienced poor housing & sanitary provision , 2 tiered education, lack of career opportunities and an inability to improve their lot. To be told they had privilege is an insult.

[@garethbuckeridge6910]

67 but never came across it until 2020 and grew up in Nottingham which has always had a large Caribbean community post WW2@karldubhe8619

[@CarboKill]

White privilege as a term existed at least prior to 2013, which is when I got into politics and immediately saw it mentioned everywhere. It could very well be from the 80s even, like the reply before me states. I think you just weren't keeping up with politics much until you got bored during the pandemic perhaps. Not that I'm trying to be rude about that, but only a decade ago I was telling everyone about what was happening, and boomers/older people especially were upset and didn't believe a word I said. It was already happening, so it would corrobate this widespread denial of your generation if you genuinely thought that such a term was only invented in 2020.

[@primusstovis3704]

@@CarboKill The term "white privilege" comes from an essay called "White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack" by the American feminist Peggy McIntosh published in 1989. The whole concept is based on the biased views of this one woman.

[@Western_1]

The term "white privilege " has been around since the civil rights era. It's been very badly twisted in recent years and a lot of people have been offended at the term "privilege" because they have taken synonyms for it as alternative definitions.

[@garethbuckeridge6910]

@@CarboKill Good for you. I however never heard this term until 2020. Obviously woke terminology used by some of lesser intelligence to set their own narrative.

[@lancebarnes3970]

Lack of proper education and lack of knowledge is a large part of why so many people have strong opinions about things that have little actual knowledge of. Society seems to be rediscovering knowledge that should never have been lost.

[@ileanamuntean7338]

Absolutely brilliant.

[@lilspeth]

Thank you Mr. Murray for keeping critical thinking alive.

[@skiphouston7392]

Douglas for me has inherited the mantle from Christopher Hitchens of being the voice of reason, logic and sensibility. It always a pleasure to hear him speak.

[@ukbloke28]

They both have such wonderful diction and articulation. I used to have Hitchens on in the background when I was working just to hear his voice. His brother is a turd, however.

[@brentbeacham9691]

Sorry to hear you compare them.

[@ukbloke28]

@@brentbeacham9691 He made a valid comparison on a number of levels.

[@nicktecky55]

Douglas Murray is far better educated than Hitchens. That is reflected in his manner and his tone, he is never aggressive. "Speak softly and carry a big stick." Murray's 'big stick' is his knowledge, understanding and commitment to the truth.

[@garethwatkins6347]

My parents grew up in the depression - say no more

[@CarolWoosey-ck2rg]

My parents EXISTED through the depression bless their souls

[@rjay7019]

Mine as well, Dad was born in 1929 and mom 1933. In Oklahoma and migrated to California, Okies were treated badly. The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck reads like a biography of my families life.

[@ronaldtreitner1460]

yes but by todays misguided standards if you're not black, you're not poor.

[@sgsrider00]

@@ronaldtreitner1460no one’s ever made that claim 🤦‍♂️

[@davidweihe6052]

My parents grew up in the Depression, too. It was great, if you had a decent, steady job. My grandmother said the hardest thing was coming up with chores for the “Apple Men” so that they would accept her peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, since at that time no one wanted obvious charity.

[@damoncus8124]

"... people who only have just discovered things and presenting it as though everyone is as ignorant as them..." Best line all year. Describes 95% of most KZbin channels ....

[@annespencersitbackchat424]

Fabulous line .. and many things happened before 2020

[@SarahSmith-nr2wj]

We need Douglas on a permanent podium putting all things back into good order👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@benstanbridge763]

This is incredible to listen to. He puts words to a feeling that has been niggling for me, and I imagine many others for a long time.

[@eliakimjosephsophia4542]

Douglas Murray is awesome.

[@SimonSezSo]

Absolutely brilliant response. It is an equally absolute shame that the people who most need to hear it have lost their capacity for Reason, and thus never will.

[@JD-bn2ch]

Douglas is the most sensible and the most eloquently spoken man on the planet.

[@Twistedsoulmusic]

Haha!

[@DrummerJacob]

Thats an extreme and bizarre overstatement.

[@TorpedoEight]

My mom and dad were born in Youngstown, Ohio in 1925 and 1922 respectively, just in time to enjoy the Great Depression. My mom and her brother were sent down to church a couple times a week for potatoes. They were mashed with water, mom said they were grey and tasteless, but probably better than what they had at home. Dad said if the kids could scrounge a nickel, they'd go down to the bakery and buy little cakes off the discount table. Dad made it sound like the cakes were heaven. My aunt, however, said they tasted like soap. At a very young age, they both entered the economic disaster of the century, dad got though HS and then welded tank treads at TrussCon until he lost his draft deferment at University and was shipped over to the ETO just in time for the Battle of the Bulge. Meanwhile, mom's boyfriend was shot out of the tail of his B-17. Such was their wonderful life of leisure. There are only 2 privileges: money and politics. Both can be manipulated, but millions have neither. The world isn't straight, gay, black, white, trans, rich, or poor, it's 2 types of people: smart and stupid. The stupid people insist on breaking us up into little tribes so we can pass judgement on each other and start our own little wars. Don't be stupid.

[@commanderblanco960]

Douglas speaks absolutely beautifully. As a working class man from a decrepit northern town I appreciate his eloquence in conveying thoughts much like my own. My granddad was one of the few men who escaped working down the pit and had a window cleaning “business”. Pit men would wait at the end of his garden as he was one of the very few who could afford to buy a newspaper and actually read it well. This was only 2 generations ago.

[@LindaJNicol]

Douglas is brilliant, reasoned, informed and super intelligent with a great brain.

[@claytonlambourne7545]

Saying "White Privilege"IS racism. .The second that you take an entire group of people who are completely different in a billion ways and say that they all have privilege due to the fact that there that their skin is white ..is the very definition of racism. stereotyping a group and applying a generalized label to all of them when you when they're all completely different... you don't know anyones background, or upbringing, or experience, or anything about them or anyone but now you're going to generalize as having had privilege due to nothing but skin colour ?that IS racism. Using other bad examples of what people did that was wrong...kkk,Jim crow,nazis isn't an excuse to do the same thing now. discrimination today to atone for discrimination of the past.

[@ukbloke28]

Yes, it's the literal definition. It's so contradictory to their agenda that they've been busy trying to rewrite the definition with nonsense like 'systemic' and notions like it's impossible for black people to be racist. This whole woke movement is rotten with this bizarre conflation back and forth between the concept of the individual and the concept of the group. This person is accountable for their whole group, but I am not for mine. Ok. That makes sense. So white people need to feel ashamed that someone who looked a bit like them did something bad 300 years ago, but you are not responsible for all the criminals in your group who are alive and making people miserable today?

[@Mateo_Vert]

So Jim Crow , Neo Nazism , KKK, they showed this consideration?

[@claytonlambourne7545]

@Mateo_Vert Discrimination today....to atone for the discrimination of yesterday .. isn't a good model of how to behave...are you saying we should think like..Jim crow, neo nazis, and the kkk?

[@Mateo_Vert]

@@claytonlambourne7545 these organizations still exist in America today 🤦🏿‍♂️...hell Peyton Gendron in 2022 shot and killed 10 African Americans intentionally not shooting Caucasian during a Livestream on twitch with a manifesto rooted in anti black rhetoric..hmm I wonder where he got those ideas 🤔

[@theautumnalcyclist7629]

The main issue is that victimhood mentality is big business nowadays! Until this issue is addressed by society and both the media, Acedemics and politicians are brought to account for this, it will not change!

[@johncrow5552]

and governments like it because when peeps infantilize THEMSELVES, in allows tyrannical governments to rule.

[@lesasmith4692]

This!

[@danielstewart9125]

It isn't White Privilege, it is called EDUCATION. The more you learn the more you earn.

[@bungle3912]

I’m still waiting for my white privilege to kick in. I was raised in a single parent family on minimum wage, one parent totally absent, grew up to have a decent career that I had to fight for, but was a heroin addict at the time. My white face hasn’t got my anywhere. When does it kick in?

[@Je-Vette]

My grandmother was widowed age 35 with 3 children under ten Her brother was a prisoner of war (ww2) and she was desperately impoverished. All three kids had to work as soon as possible; aunt was paid to help the telephone company get messages to households with no phone. Mom worked from age 14@ cannery. I’m first generation university graduate and my Privilege was to postpone work until age 16.

[@Dontlikefruit]

If you are not white British your roots are somewhere else. Instead of berating us and trying to erase our history, there are plenty of heritage sites that will help you research yours. We live in the country where our ancestors lived for thousands of years. What is wrong with keeping our British history, values and culture alive.

[@jinjahh]

Very well said. If you start using the term "indigenous" to describe British people in Britain, it will catch some attention.

[@Pinkdam]

@@jinjahh Technically we aren't, by some definition; despite us having adapted to this land since having come here from mainland Europe. But what is important is that no one has greater claim to the British nations than those at present inhabiting them, or greater strength to wrest them from us; it remains to see whether guile can achieve that end. Certainly we need once more self-confidence, and willingness to assert our way of life, if no longer as something to be bestowed on the rest of the world, then something we shall do domestically.

[@Js4life22]

Absolutely nothing wrong with that! Take back your country and get those goddamn Muslims out of parliament!!!!!!

[@Rose-eq1xm]

If you don’t like our way of live here in G B go and leave us alone

[@songsmith31a]

A more appropriate term is "White brilliance" - far more relevant to the advancement of human progress across the world.

[@AnAn___]

What is "white" Europeans, North Africans, East Africans, Asians form a globalized partly shared culture and civilization over four thousand years. The achievements of this shared globalized culture and civilization are globally shared. Ancient English, Welsh and Scottish brilliance partly belongs to Africans too.

[@dribblesg2]

@@AnAn___ '... form a globalized partly shared culture and civilization over four thousand years. The achievements of this shared globalized culture and civilization are globally shared.' ha! the delusions of a gender studies education

[@mcdaddy2011]

@@AnAn___what about the sub Saharan Africans? Their spear throwing is known to have been the catalyst for the moon landings 🤔

[@Buttsac]

@@AnAn___im going to have to disagree. Europeans in particular along with European Americans created just about everything in the modern world. From cars to phones to TVs the list is endless. Besides aids Malaria and higher crime rates I can’t name you an African contribution to the modern world.

[@justicewokeisutterbs8641]

Oooo. Somebody majored in "______Studies"

[@BlackGriffin195]

My father was given an orange by my widowed grandmother for Christmas when he was 12 years old.

[@joeylaird77]

He’s so thoughtful and articulate.

[@stephaniegormley9982]

I have no patience for people who want to cry discrimination because they're only comparing themselves to the top 20% of the opposite gender, race etc. Discrimination will show itself to be a lot less powerful if you compare yourself to the ENTIRE gender or race.

[@analogbunny]

History seems to have multiple "black curtains" of a sort - the biggest ones being the 1950s and the Victorian era. Unread and uninformed people who don't know more than these periods of the past and project backwards and seem to assume that the women of the Renaissance were exactly like the 1950s housewife or the attitudes towards foreign nations in the 16th century was exactly like how it was during the height of Victorian Empire. Fact is though that times change and eras change, and there periods where women and other minorities did very well, followed by not so well, followed by well again. History is complicated.

[@AnAn___]

The ancient world had many matriarchies and patriarchies and lbgtq+ led societies in cycles over time and distance. Many were toxic; or started well and became toxic. Many were positive and built on merit, perfection, excellence, self actualization. The world has been a very nuanced complicated place for an awful long time.

[@Yo_Uncle_Phil]

Excellent points

[@mcdaddy2011]

It’s like when there’s a war it’s always compared to ww2. This fella is Hitler and that fella is Churchill. Like there’s no other wars they can reference cause they’ve never had any interest in history apart from watching ww2 in colour documentaries

[@JaneA544]

​@@AnAn___they had no tq+++++ in the past this is purely the insanity of money, kinsey and certain German surgeons pandering to insanity. Its a product of 20th/21st century dont conflate what Douglas us saying to pander to that cult

[@sa9861]

@@AnAn___Who, where exactly were the lgbtq led societies.

[@aszechy]

The problem is that female, black etc. writers, composers and so on were not so much downplayed and forgotten about in the past, but that not many women, blacks etc. got to become these things in the first place. They were never given the opportunity, which is of course unfair, but it's something that can only be remedied for the present (and I think we're doing ok in that regard), not retrospectively. So when the woke types come and try to dig up all these supposedly erased minority artists they can't find many who were all that good and then want to bring in these 2nd and 3rd rate people into the canon and throw out the true greats just because they were white males. But the fact that women of his day generally didn't have the possibility to become composers and so we don't know what they would have been capable of does not make Bach's music any less brilliant or worh listening to.

[@ukbloke28]

Yes, you're right. It can't be "remedied for the present" though and herein is one of the huge problems in this era. This misguided notion that you can somehow change the past by overcompensating in the present ... Dragging the past into the present all the time is nothing more than bearing a grudge, and not least a grudge that is no one's right to bear, and no one's else's responsibility to take. The past was shitty and brutal. We learned and improved as a species and it should be regarded as history, nothing more.

[@dv8ug]

Yeah, White Man did not "give them the opportunity"... Now they all have not only the opportunity but are very aggressively promoted yet still no brilliant music nor literature. The whole subject is a part of overwhelming antiwhiteism and ugliness forced on us by the people were not supposed to mention.

[@nessy9022]

I'm interested in the specifics of your interpretations. Out of this list of female composers who were contemporaries of Bach, which do you view as 2nd rate, and which are 3rd rate? Chiara Margarita Cozzolani (1602-1678) Leonora Duarte (1610-1678) Leonora Baroni (1611-1670) Sophie Elisabeth, Duchess of Brunswick-Lüneburg (1613-1676) Francesca Campana (c. 1615-1665) Barbara Strozzi (1619-1677) Isabella Leonarda (1620-1704) Mlle Bocquet (early 17th century-after 1660) Lady Mary Dering (1629-1704) Maria Francesca Nascinbeni (c. 1640-1680) Esther Elizabeth Velkiers (1640-after 1685) Countess Amalia Catharina of Waldeck (1640-1697) Antonia Bembo (c. 1640-c. 1720) Maria Cattarina Calegari (1644-1675) Marieta Morosina Priuli (fl. 1665) Mme Sicard (fl.1678) Rosa Giacinta Badalla (1660-1710) Angiola Teresa Moratori Scanabecchi (1662-1708) Élisabeth Jacquet de La Guerre (1665-1729) Françoise-Charlotte de Senneterre Ménétou (1679-1745) Maria Anna de Raschenau (fl. 1690s-1703) Michielina della Pietà (fl. c. 1701-1744) Caterina Benedicta Grazianini (fl. 1705-15 [b.ca.1685]) Camilla de Rossi (fl. 1707-1710) Julie Pinel (fl. 1710-1737) Maria Margherita Grimani (fl. 1713-1718 [b.ca.1690]) Mrs Philarmonica (fl. 1715) Marie-Anne-Catherine Quinault (1695-1791)

[@YaburuRunyaru]

Thank you, sincerely, for putting this into words.

[@LWMTOSH]

Bang on the money as usual! Thank you Douglas

[@ditpook]

I love this guy. Most people forget the reason there is so little writing or media about certain types of people is not racism, it's because no one wants to buy it. Write whatever you want but I will only buy what I want to read.

[@schuberttim]

I saw an article a while back that had the fact that in all of human history, there have been far more non-African slaves than black African slaves. One of the facts was that almost every American Indian tribe had at least some slaves taken from other tribes and after Europeans came, slaves of European ancestry.

[@Booper_]

This is true, but the main differences between the transatlantic slave trade period and other forms of slavery were a) the scale at which slaves were sold, b) generational slavery wasn't really a thing before and people could even become free during their lifetime again, c) slaves had a much better position in society and in some cultures even played an active part in it and d) slaves were treated like they were because they were slaves and people wouldn't be racially discriminated against, because of the colour of their skin. During the transatlantic period, it wouldn't have mattered a lot if you were a slave or not, as long as you were black, you were worthless in the eyes of society.

[@peterhoughton3770]

But also... western societies (those emanating from Europe) are the most liberal, most inclusive as evidenced by any ranking on women's rights, gay rights, racial equality. These metrics are all high in western countries. In fact, the top 37 countries in the world as ranked by LGBT rights for example are all western or European diaspora. The 38th is Singapore... which was a British fortress in the far east and unlike it's counterpart across the Jahore peninsular (Malaysia) has full equality in law. Malaysia on the other hand has a constitutional 'voice to parliament' which gives extra rights to ethnic Malays (the majority) over others (such as ethnic Chinese), and discriminates in numerous ways against women and LGBT people. This is because there is no real separation of powers (a British invention) in Malaysia or any majority Muslim country for example. So... far from being the worst on these metrics western countries are in fact, the best. The strange thing is, I think everybody really, already knows this. If I asked someone - would you rather send your daughter go to boarding school in France or Saudi Arabia... only a fool would say Saudi Arabia... or Pakistan... or Malaysia... or Somalia... or Chechnya... or Afghanistan..OBVIOUSLY. We also know that if you had a gay son you'd advise him not to travel in most parts of Africa or any Muslim majority country. And yet we continue with this fantasy that there is a white male heterodoxy which is the worst thing in the world. The countries with the highest percentage white populations - Finland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Scotland, Iceland... are hardly hotbeds of wickedness. It's so boring hearing this un-evidenced, vague claim constantly made when it is precisely the opposite of the truth.

[@kimchimasala]

Western Muslim here. You are completely correct!

[@ukbloke28]

Yes, well written. I'm rather inclined to conclude that it's the very fact that these groups are so liberated in our territories that makes them bitch so much. You won't hear people complaining about the eastbound slave trade, as an analogy, because the Arabs castrated all the males to end their bloodlines, Not to mention making the women into sex slaves ... But hey, the westbound trade was the worst thing ever because I'm alive and can leverage it ... They certainly wouldn't do this if it was like when the christian minority petitioned for better treatment in Malaysia and the muslims were hunting them down in the streets and beheading them. The ones that survived did so by hiding in the shit infested sewers ...

[@wulphstein]

I'm happy to listen to a man with a British accent who is making a reasonable argument.

[@antoniosusino4628]

So on point and clear as a sunny day. 😊

[@nightrunnin]

I love that the interviewer is letting him actually speak his thought and not arguing with him

[@Twistedsoulmusic]

Why? He should be challenged.

[@trick_bag]

@@Twistedsoulmusic You do it then soulja!

[@debbielondon1809]

Well said. I was/am a feminist, and my aim was not to denegrate men but to highlight women's voices of the past and present.

[@AnAn___]

What does this mean in practice? Didn't the ancient world have a lot of the heroine's journey in stories, myths and literature? In the present, do you think that the UK has a partially toxic matriarchy? Does this explain the massive academic outperformance of females versus males in the UK? Far more than is seen in North America, Latin America, Africa, Asia for example? What role do you think Prithi, Suella, Theresa May, Liz Trust, Kemi Badenoch, Penny Mordaunt play in the UK's current matriarchy?

[@SomboonCM]

How's your cats?

[@blah914]

in practice that can mean acknowledging female scientists who had their work stolen or credited towards their husbands. @@AnAn___

[@flangecorp9789]

Woman have enough of a voice in the west. They are being coddled now. Most men battle quietly through life without a so-called liberating representative.

[@Eustace.h.plimsoll6625]

What do people mean exactly - when they say, “I am a feminist.” I mean, an awful lot of people say it, but if you got them all together, I have a feeling that after a few pleasantries, they would all be shrieking at the top of their voices and trying to scratch each other’s eyes out - metaphorically.

[@kevinbarbour2771]

This reminds me of all the talk about colonialism that simultaneously operates in complete ignorance of the 800 year occupation of Europe by North African Moors. History is long and messy indeed, selectively calling out parts of it to relitigate now is folly.

[@brocklastname6682]

It's not colonialism when they do it. /s Just like the Ottoman Turks spent 500 years invading Eastern Europe. but we don't talk about that.

[@LB-W]

I would love to see Thomas Sowell and Douglas Murray in conversation. What a wonderful conversation that would be from two amazing people.

[@paulhornsey-pennell1931]

i genuinely appreciate it when douglas murray brings context into things. my father grew up in the slums of east ham. mould on the walls an outside loo and bathing in a tin bath in front of the fire ...

[@codinghusky5196]

An average black american's monthly income is 4000EUR. Average monthly income in the wider Balkans is 600EUR. I can't stop sobbing for the poor black Americans, really.

[@DrummerJacob]

And they dont appreciate any of it.

[@_inked_out]

$4,000???? A month? Lmao don’t believe in white privilege but this makes me wonder why people do

[@claudiafahey1353]

I know right? We get sick of it too

[@_inked_out]

@@codinghusky5196 $4,000??? A month? Average???? What kind of crack you smoke?

[@_inked_out]

@@codinghusky5196 $4,000? A month? Which meth are you using? (I can do this all FUCKING day)

[@gerrytyrrell1507]

800yrs of oppression we're still trying to get & move along together..We're not looking for reparations....Ireland

[@pwimbledon]

Rightly so, considering there are more people of Irish descent in Britain than there are in the whole of Ireland. The whole concept is ludicrous.

[@jensenhealey08]

800 years of repression is nonsense. 800 years ago the powerful were Norman's. Some of them, having conquered England, went to Ireland where they soon intermixed with the constantly fueding Irish chieftains. At various times these Franko-Irish called on the King of England for assistance in their intra-Irish fueds, which came at a price - fielty to the English King which generally lasted a few years before the Franko-Irish chieftain broke his oath and rebelled. The rachet that this process created of pulling Ireland ever closer to England is of the making of the Irish chieftains.

[@CarolWoosey-ck2rg]

​@@jensenhealey08well said 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@CarolWoosey-ck2rg]

I want reparations too for the shite my ancestors put up with from effing everywhere

[@starnejme6902]

Well stated.

[@MarkJones-mm3br]

We used to talk about "disadvantage" and lifting people up from it to the place where they can participate in and enjoy what others enjoy. It was never really identified with any one people group or another (although at certain times and places for practical reasons some were the focus of attention). It had a wholly positive motivation in my experience/observation - peaceful, kind and caring - wanting to lift people up out of their disadvantage. Now we talk about privilege. It is entirely focused on one race and one sex/gender. It is mostly about pulling people or a group down. It has a wholly negative motivation - angry and bitter at other people having what you don't have. So you want to bring them lower - sometimes even wanting to destroy them completely.

[@GrantGreenham]

Thinking as sharp as a chisel! Every time! The brilliant Douglas Murray !

[@karinturkington2455]

Thank God Douglas explained this. It's so helpful to me, a white low-income senior immigrant woman living in poverty in the year 2024.

[@robjob9052]

even my Leftie friends would struggle to disagree here.

[@drosophilamelanogaster3957]

Do you have leftie friends?

[@robjob9052]

@@drosophilamelanogaster3957 I do, for my sins. The creative-arts are natural companions to the progressive dreamer, the avant-garde, the vanguard, and they elevate all of us. However, they frustrate because they are without boundaries also, like staying away from the adult table!

[@Twistedsoulmusic]

You have no lefie friends. Why would they agree?

[@pauliberg3492]

so well said.

[@ghfudrs93uuu]

It's a similar thing with the accusations off suppressing historical truth, most times people come up to me with "we should have learned this in school" I can answer with "well, don't know what you were doing, but I did".

[@pwimbledon]

To be fair, during the 90s stuff like colonialism was generally omitted, because ultimately as a topic it’s far too broad. There’s a fundamental misunderstanding of what history lessons can and can’t practically cover. As soon as you get to a decent level, things get more specific, not broader. It was very much European history, as you would expect. Home rule in Ireland, Agricultural revolution, Italian and German reunification - things that overlapped with colonialism, sure, but they were very focussed topics, allowing students to get into the practicalities of history - sources, balance, bias etc etc. I would have loved a module on 1700’s West Indies or 1800s Virginia, but you can’t cover everything and arguably they aren’t more important or influential than the French Revolution or UK industrialisation. It’s not controversial for there to be an emphasis on European political and social history. No one is hiding history. People need to read more.

[@brother1ray]

Yeah, it's the lazy idea that someone else has the duty to educate you, while you do no learning/ reading for yourself............then complain that you are totally ignorant!! Go figure! 😉

[@AnAn___]

@@brother1ray You got it!

[@Yo_Uncle_Phil]

​@@pwimbledonIn the 90's, we learned plenty about colonialism, here, in America. Down with the Britts! Heh, heh 🤗 🇺🇲 🇬🇧

[@jontveite2508]

Here in the U.S., especially in the Southern states, there are very organized efforts to prevent people from learning about the negative aspects of our history -- especially regarding slavery and Jim Crow segregation. Books are being banned, universities are being defunded. People who are trying to whitewash American history are not heroes. They're cowards. I'm white as can be. My family roots are all in Northern Europe. I believe all of my relatives came over AFTER the Civil War. None of the owned slaves. Most of them probably never met a black person, because they lived and farmed in Southern Minnesota, which is still one of the least diverse states in the U.S. I don't feel guilty for slavery or Jim Crow. But I think a country needs to deal honestly with its own history. I'm not sure exactly what that means. But denying one's history is never the right approach.

[@ToesToJesus]

Unto how many generations is someone guilty of the crimes of their ancestors? Should black people living in Africa NOW be held liable for selling other African tribes into slavery? How much finger pointing are we to endure before we realize that people are we where they are in life because of the choices they made?

[@gardenroom65]

We come from coalminers from NE England. No white privilege there! 😢

[@b-radsadventures6846]

Worked from a young age. Paid my own bills. Put myself through college. Now I pay for other people's college, cars, mortgages. I feel so privileged. No wonder people do their best to use the system. All get and no give. And as a boost, you get to complain...constantly.

[@Obscure462]

And yet here you are complaining.

[@b-radsadventures6846]

@@Obscure462 Hardly. Pointing out that there a better, more orthodox way of getting by in life other than stealing from your neighbors.

[@Obscure462]

@@b-radsadventures6846 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Do go on Karen.

[@b-radsadventures6846]

@@Obscure462 It is like team blue has one mold and they just give each output a different name. lol

[@Obscure462]

@@b-radsadventures6846 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@davidcross8028]

When my grandfather's mother went to register his birth in 1893, she "Made her mark" - she was illiterate, as were many others. My dad was born in a cottage with no running water and an outhouse for a toilet ".... across the yard." I never heard them complain, in fact my dad was rather sad when the family cottage was demolished in the 1930's.

[@garypautard1069]

He is right Victorians for example suffered terribly . Infant mortality was a common problem. Families had to share clothes and terrible lung diseases were common and so were SDIs and alcaholism. And we had privilege ?

[@motelr]

infant deaths & all the rest was hugely reduced when labour gained power, workers party for working people,,,privileged whites still look down on white/other workers

[@brocklastname6682]

A think a black person living today in the UK or US wouldn't trade places with a *white* person living in the 1800s.

[@Twistedsoulmusic]

Did the Victorians suffer purely on the basis of race?

[@HoratioNelson78]

Good God...he makes the air so much fresher