Douglas Murray | 'The Incoherence of LGBTQI+'

Renowned author and social critic Douglas Murray argues that our modern fixation on group-identity politics 'strips the individualism out of individuals'. Murray ridicules the common interpretation of society as based upon interest groups divided by gender, sex, sexual orientation and race.
Douglas Murray is a prolific British author
and journalist. He has been contributor to The Spectator since 2000 and has been associate editor of the magazine since 2012. He has also written regularly for numerous other outlets, including: the Wall Street Journal, The Times, The Sunday Times, The Sun, The Evening Standard, and the New Criterion. He is a regular contributor to National Review and has been a columnist for Standpoint Magazine since its founding. His latest book, 'The War on the West', was published in May 2022.
See their full interview, filmed just before the Covid-19 pandemic, here: • The Madness of Crowds ...
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[@rerite2]

My 12-year-old nephew said to me: "What if this whole LGBTQ thing is just a way for hair dye companies to sell more products?"

[@Stuart267]

He may be on to something lol

[@Yeeted_Utensil]

Smart kid

[@stephenpmurphy591]

It's a marketing tactic & dividing..... Marxists. Which is more destructive than capitalism.

[@stuartmc18]

Just brilliant! It gives me hope for the future!

[@bethheinecamp1061]

He's on to something .... :)

[@pandorasbox1658]

I never get tired of listening to Douglas Murray.

[@finecon8391]

💩💩💩

[@jasonantigua6825]

Probably because you have more in common with him than you thought! He’s an interesting person

[@tabutog]

Well I'm also getting tired of this LGBTQIA+ stuff add to that the people who identifies as battle ships, cat, planet uranus its getting weirder and weirder.

[@ghenulo]

Though, I find myself disagreeing with him on everything other than the LGBTXYZ/non-binary issue, perhaps because I'm not a conservative (I'd describe myself as a socialist civil libertarian; i.e. you do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else and the government has a role to ensure the social well-being of everyone).

[@ghenulo]

@@tabutog I'm an asexual and hate the thought of being part of the LGBT+ clown show. I'd guess some Ls, Gs, Bs, Ts, Qs, and Is feel the same way.

[@ablox1166]

I've been saying this for years, as a gay male I do not 'identify' myself LGBTQ. I am simply gay, have a long-term male partner and live a 'normal/everyday' life. If my sexuality is private and a small part of who I am, why does it have to be at the forefront of my identity? My identity is based off who I am as a person not who I decide to sleep with behind close doors. People homogenize everyone under one banner of "Gay people" or "women", "blacks" etc. as if every single person within that 'category' will share the same views, opinions, and lifestyles. It's beyond myopic and ignorant to think that way. Love everything that was said in this video. Trust me, put multiple gay or bi men in one room and you will see none of them are alike. Women from culture to culture have very different opinions on different subjects also, as goes for every other group in this world include white men. Not all white men are powerful CEO's/rich/power hungry POS as the woke left tries to portray them.

[@hugehappygrin]

and yet, when talking about, "CIS HET white males", it OK to lump us into a group? the feminist claim of "old white men" are inherently evil and must die. It's odd because the board of directors for NOW is/was made up of old white men. hm.

[@joehenry9546]

As soon as people realize that this movement isn’t about equality, it’s about tearing us apart. The better off we will be. Divide and conquer. I’m all for equality. But, the way this current movement operates is based off of intolerance. That is a very dangerous thing for a society. It should be about acceptance and love.

[@mistag3860]

A voice of reason amongst the madness of crowds. How to propogate that attitude...its nice.

[@fionaforward3358]

How I wish all homosexuals were like you ,rather than force their sexuality in our faces.

[@vd1721]

Because in the pick me generation of TicTok and Content Creators, they don't want anything private.

[@randabe765]

Thank you for that. As a Mexican female my main identifier is: individual. Don't lump me into a collective with the assumption that we all think/are the same.

[@AlexReynard]

As an Alex Reynard, I identify as an Alex Reynard. Just the one of me. Like Tigger.

[@82fdny97]

Sowell girl!!!

[@DrCruel]

As an anti-fascist, I find pronoun fascism to be extremely offensive and triggering. So also I entirely reject the intrinsic ethnic bigotry and deliberate racist and sexist hate of socialism.

[@queent3343]

@@DrCruel Lots of big words. Just say you disagree. That should suffice.

[@queent3343]

Too much lumping these days.

[@DuffyLew91]

Groups don't have rights. Individuals have rights. Thank you Douglas Murray and John Anderson.

[@atendriyadasa6746]

If its true that groups don't have rights, what about corporations that are legally considered 'persons' and as such have LOTS of rights.

[@leonharrison800]

When groups are denied rights, they fight and win rights! Easier to fight as a group whether based on race, gender or sexuality. Wake up. "United we stand, divided we fall."!

[@werollins]

`Sadly Groups such as unions dominate the power structures i.e.. NYS is run by powerful unions

[@leonharrison800]

@@werollins You are clueless. Unions fight race hate, sexism and LGBT hate. Stop bring an ungrateful SOD!

[@-jfo-]

That's the biggest load of codswallop. This is the problem with people who keep screaming about individual rights. As the gentlemen say in this video, it about what is best for the collective, society as a whole. The focus on individual rights alone without regard for societal rights is the reason why the US and Europe is the current state it is in. Balancing the rights of both is important to ensure a harmanious society.

[@Ifailedeverything]

The word “community” has been so twisted. It used to mean a town or a neighborhood where all sorts of people live. Young and old, families, all types of jobs and backgrounds. Now it just means you share a singular trait or social interest as if that one thing is all that defines you. It’s so dumb.

[@DeltaEchoGolf]

Akin to having a street gang representing the "neighborhood".

[@rewdwarf123]

When you have a place called a 'community centre' you assume it's for the people who live near it. So community is surely all about geography?

[@finished6267]

Nation has been twisted too. It used to pertain to nationality as per the bible, hence the creation of 'israel' by england.... Oh yes of course, the 'nation' of Israel.

[@kennethconklin4140]

It is also incredibly dangerous. People in groups form "hive-minds", where they don't have a single independent thought and instead go for one thought for all. People by themselves are great, it's when put together in groups they become almost blinded by their thoughts. Usually in a selfish, and toxic way.

[@lynncarter4964]

You make a very good point about the meaning of the word. That is one of the other tactics employed in this movement. Re-defining our words and terms and then getting us to use them as well. Therefore giving the ‘new’ definition merit. Don’t fall for using words on their terms.

[@julienlapointe3053]

“The LGBT community, take me to your leader!” 🤣 @2:07

[@jennifergersch9126]

"Join the Dark Side..."

[@AntiStraightMaleSociety]

The leader is a straight male. They all come from them

[@amorepsyche808]

Its Soros, he is behind everything

[@MsAuthenticite]

😂

[@jrpeacock8695]

Murray is a voice of reason and common sence in these troubled and messed up times.

[@nev707]

Douglas is so articulate in expressing what many of us think, and in a way that many of us can’t.

[@leecouldsee207]

Or how we dare not. But I am starting to. We should all start to. There are more of us for goodness' sake. At least that is what I think.

[@glennhynes5263]

@@leecouldsee207 yes there is far far more of us Lee. We just don t have the woke media on our side. Thats ok, we have truth and common decency. 👍

[@santorini8423]

@@glennhynes5263 we don’t have common sense on our side either. I 😞

[@Sairfecht]

@@leecouldsee207 “many of us” - hmmm, sounds like that would be a community?

[@Jon-yn4pq]

And with a cool British accent

[@michelpapineau8868]

Always a pleasure to listen to Douglas Murray. Identity politics is inherently intended to sow discord and to pull our society apart.

[@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217]

Much more than that... to utterly throw into confusion, delusion, illusion, and mal-conclusion the God-created order.

[@cheshirekat3050]

Likewise for abortion, and class-warfare.

[@patienceobongo]

Frankfurt School.

[@nelsonmcatee3721]

The concept of divide and conquer.

[@redstar7292]

Actually Identity Politics, props up capitalism. And it's another way capitalism adapts to survive and thrive. And these people aren't Marxists, but hard line liberals. Identity politics isn't a Marxist thing, this word is used because it is linked with communist dictatorships. Marx talked about the people owning the means of production and distribution, and the public ownership of property these sorts of ideas not identity.

[@TheRicsilver48]

It always seems like this guy always has it figured out. No axe to grind, just logical rational thought.

[@TheBaumcm]

As a brown female, who has shaved her head in the past and dyed it many colors, including blue, who also happens to be fiscally conservative and believes in the federal government staying out of state affairs, I wholeheartedly agree. It’s not just limited to sexuality but everything is used to lump us together. Any time someone uses extremes or absolutes, like never, always or all, it tells me that they really aren’t a fan of critical thinking or personal experience. Like Murray said, that’s the point. They want to separate us because we’d be more powerful working together on a single topic than each going for special interests. It’s why the US is in such a tumult. People, highlighted by the Trump run, have taken identity politics and shaken them like a snow globe.

[@rnw2739]

A brown female? Have you been on holiday then?

[@cheeseburgerinparadise7124]

As a brown female 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Harlock2day]

​@@rnw2739 brown is certainly more accurate than black. Black people and white people do not exist. Yes, we are all people, but if you really wanted to talk truth you would say brown and pink people. Not so fancy though ? 😂

[@johnmcquade329]

whys it always the usa people talk about, or the uk or israeli occupied palestine its never anywhere else

[@YSFmemories]

Ah, the worst of both sides. Unfortunately common these days

[@eyestothesky6331]

Spot on and well said! Tired of my gender being appropriated for someone’s woke political endeavor. Douglas Murray is a steady, common sense mind in a chaotic unstable social environment.

[@pastorofmuppets8834]

How do you cope?

[@NinjaFireMan]

I needed to hear something like this to put a voice to my concerns. I've lost friends around discussions about LGBT topics. I don't hate anyone, and yet I feel like if I don't say the 'right thing' then I'm in serious trouble.

[@jonathanfarley2023]

They're a cult. Secretly, they're probably all afraid of being "denounced." Either that, or they are revelling in their newfound power to "cancel" people.

[@siempregamer4967]

people from the LGBT community are one of the most closed mind people in this world.

[@wickedoctober]

You’re saying the right things. You live in reality. The LBGTQ2s+ live in a complete fantasy worlds of anti-reality.

[@denisbashaj3704]

Why what did you say speak freely

[@relaxingsounds1386]

It's lgbtqxyz123, you bigot!! 😆 🤣 😂

[@marvinhaines9297]

I left the high school system about a year and a half ago, partly because I got tired of the unstoppable madness that was the school's culture. It seemed like every kid in my class went trans all at once. It was as if each person felt they weren't unique enough as an individual. I once saw a cartoon depicting a mass of people all shouting and protesting "I am an individual!" The image was created almost thirty years ago, and it has never been more relevant than now.

[@SupHapCak]

I mean They ARE all individuals. Unless the context of them being dressed alike was missing?

[@4my4blessings]

If (maybe) schools in the UK allowed young people to express their individuality with their clothes, hair style, colour, etc... instead of forcing them into polyester business suits and punishing them for untucking a shirt or having their skirt above their knees... restricting their human right to take off their jacket on a hot day, maybe they would use external things to demonstrate their independence and unique identity rather than having to delve into a destructive ideology to express themselves. It is a social epidemic in the schools and though I believe there may be A Student in a school class, it is not a wave or tsunami of genuine gender dysphoria... that is the social virus aspect. And if one speaks out against it, one is dismissed and cancelled as a bigot who doesn't deserve the right to have an opinion. 😢

[@DarkAngel2512]

​@@4my4blessingsI grew up in the 90s and we dis just fine with school uniform. My mum was broke and I could barely affrod uniform let alone nice clothes. So uniforms avoid bullying imo. If you domt have cool clothes and new ones kids will pick on you

[@andrewbaker6256]

I was speaking with a very wise old vicar who was well in his 80's and he not only had great moral standards as you would expect but had a great world experience. In a former career he had been an engineer and spent years in africa working on massive projects to help the people over there. Now being a vicar and being very open I asked him how he got on with various groups of people. His advice was simple and seemingly obvious and it was this.....Deal with people one at a time.

[@jennifergersch9126]

You get what you give. Give people dignity and respect, and you'll get it in turn.

[@someguy9519]

​@@jennifergersch9126That doesn't work for Israel.

[@albertogutierrez8653]

As an American of Latin American descent, I never felt connected to all Hispanic Americans. My relationships are based on common interests not on ethnicity. It always has been odd.

[@rob5197]

Ethnicity is observed in the animal world it is only natural selection - - that doesn't mean you love or get on with every member

[@xaldynnemo47]

If your country actively legislated against Latin Americans as a whole and denied them the same freedoms as other Americans, would you not consider Latin Americans as having a common interest?

[@albertogutierrez8653]

@@xaldynnemo47 What do you mean "common interests"? The U.S. has different policies that have been legislated for Mexican immigrants. I am from another country where the rules for us is more laxed. Do you think other Latin Americans are not concern with U.S. immigration policies towards Mexicans? Many of us don't care as much those policies just as much we don't about immigration policies for Austrians. You question reveal a certain ignorance about us. Except for language, history, culture and some tradition, Hispanics are not united from some grand scheme of a council of Latino elders. When American Hispanic leftist start talking about Hispanic unity, many of us don't know based on what?

[@xaldynnemo47]

@@albertogutierrez8653 I asked a hypothetical question. The comparison being made was to LGBT people, who have a common interest in equal rights.

[@albertogutierrez8653]

@@xaldynnemo47 Many in the LGBT community don't agree with the movment. They consider it destructive. What rights are you talking about! ?Affirmative rights or negative rights? By the way, groups and collectives are outside my outlook on life. I respond to individuals.

[@paulineashcroft1485]

Douglas Murray is always worth listening to.

[@WillScarlet1991]

He's a right-wing racist cnt.

[@sabejreid2072]

AGREE

[@progressivedemagogue8480]

If you’re thick

[@Patriot11111]

for a laugh

[@progressivedemagogue8480]

@@paulineashcroft1485 Douglas Murray is a right wing think tank funded agitator hired to distract the politically illiterate with cathartic culture war divisions. This keeps those engaged with his material distracted from prescient economic issues such as the greatest wealth transfer in history. It’s easier for elites if you’re busy thinking ‘woke’ or trans issues are a threat to your well being, and not a far right agenda actively restoring feudalism.

[@wingchun-simplekungfu7584]

Thanks John. I’m comforted in knowing now I’m not the only person who feels like this. I’m a musician , surfer , parent , martial artist , husband , business manager ....... etc... and “so what” ?? 😂😂. I’m over people needing to be categorised .

[@bexp436]

Im so happy to listen to both Douglas and John and to read the comments, that all help to remind me im not on my own feeling like the world has gone mad and we are all being manipulated from dawn til dusk.

[@ewencameron1548]

Bexpu r spot on

[@christianityoutloud]

Douglas Murray is an intelligent and articulate person. Any conversation with him tends to be worth listening to.

[@gweilospur5877]

Just another right wing bigot.

[@dorothyb.]

I've been making this argument for years. I am not the black community and I. Speak my own views and cannot speak for others. I am not proud to be black as that is simply a representation of my parents genes. I can only be proud for what I made happen by my passion and Labour consistency and contentiousness

[@Friendofstfrank]

Excellent points.

[@christiankreps5920]

This man talks unbelievable levels of sense.

[@chrisbow1776]

You always get clear logical common sense rational talks when listening to Douglas Murray.

[@roberthays2883]

Exactly! That’s why we shouldn’t have a specific LGBTQ month or black month. Just lumps people into groups.

[@rokzane]

It's mainstream society who has created groups and identity politics through continued discrimination, forced exclusion, and violence against those long considered deviant, unclean, and not human. Congratulations, the mainstream society you claim identity with created it's own monster.

[@michaelmontagu3979]

Exactly. Why create ghettos?

[@amandavieira2543]

The prejudiced people started it. Blame them, not the opressed

[@niguel4438]

Just finished reading The War on the West which I found rather depressing but recommend 100% as one of the most important books of our time. The message is clear. Stop just complaining about these issues but make your voice heard before it’s too late.

[@TimBitts649]

Why do they hate us? Jealous. We did amazing things. Invented the modern world, technology, human rights, democracy, the internet. What did they do? Complain. The proper antidote to the war on the West is conceited bragging. It's about time.

[@niguel4438]

@@TimBitts649 absolutely. What are we afraid of? A minority of wokies. It’s ridiculous.

[@TimBitts649]

@@niguel4438 Exactly. Same on many issues. Take abortion. More women than men, oppose abortion. Yet it's always presented that all women want it.

[@BassistPaul]

It really is an important book. I also recommend it to all.

[@manfrombritain6816]

@@niguel4438 people are afraid to speak out because they are offered a choice: go along with something that naively sounds good - or stand against it and have to make a very detailed defense of your position and still probably get called names anyway. Almost no regular people have the time to learn how to make a proper case against the woke issues because it requires a ton of reading and practice. Remember most people don't have skills with talking/debating, and research. Its far easier to just say "uhhh...yeah...gib everyone free stuff"

[@EspatiallyGood]

Absolutely spot on. I understand that many people in the LGBTQ community felt oppressed in the past, but I think it's time to let that go, and stop being so divisive.

[@richiep3520]

Yes. It's spreading like a cancer now. Was so glad to see equality in marriage but I couldn't feel any further distant to the lgbtqi+ community. It's turning into a hate group.

[@amandavieira2543]

"Felt opressed" ,"In the past". Jesus..

[@EspatiallyGood]

​@@amandavieira2543I don't understand your response. If you have something to say, speak plainly.

[@rnw2739]

@Amanda Vieira Get over yourself, pathetic victim. How long can you harp on about injustices NOT experienced by you, many years ago and now no longer carried out? Stop opening up healed wounds and you might be a bit happier.

[@joeg9478]

Currently in 2023 America numerous states are trying to put on the books laws that ban drag shows and curtail LGBTQ people from living freely. Explain to me how this is not oppression.

[@r8chlletters]

“Take me to your leader” bahahaha love it. Couldn’t agree with you more.

[@pilgrimofmanypilgrims]

As a Trans women I totally get this, I don't want a label that is manufactured by society to "include" me. I have a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria and that is the fact that I adhere to, I just need to be left alone to live my life in the way that allows me to be free of mind crushingly hatred of my assigned gender. I have finally found peace but it doesn't make me an LGBTQI activist it just makes me be who my mind tells me I am, an individual!

[@suc125]

You seem reasonable, could I ask you what is your take on Ricky Gervais supernature, if you have seen it?

[@RU-rf5bk]

Your gender was not assigned.

[@lmr1049]

“as a trans woman” you’re a man. don’t give us this “i’m trans but reasonable” bs. the language you use already reveals that you refuse to acknowledge reality.

[@benzel2573]

The point made of how we have fallen into society driven categories while at the same time rejecting them is simply much deeper than it will get credit for

[@lighthousea4655]

I love videos that talk in detail about everything I am upset about or irritated by with precision explanation.

[@fabiesque]

Douglas is a true high-voltage mind. I can listen to him for hours.

[@7788Sambaboy]

he's telling you what you want to hear...he makes no attempt to discuss both sides of an issue...he attacks something and says he is right because he said he is right

[@xaldynnemo47]

So much for the importance of "the individual", eh?

[@christophervishy8273]

I just discovered you, and everything you say is so beautifully articulated, hearing you tackle these sociopolitical trends brought me so much clarity. Thank you - you are delightful!

[@WayneLynch69]

I just completed "The Madness of Crowds", and like Murray very much. But with this explication, you really stumbled upon him at his best. THIS is exquisite.

[@Jane-dq7on]

Absolutely agree. Well said. They think we are clueless, but we see the method behind the madness.

[@paulengels409]

“Take me to your leader.” (Arched eyebrow) LOL! VG point!

[@george94065]

Thanks for your work Douglas. Hang in there buddy you are a voice that needs to be heard.

[@caeserromero3013]

Feminism ironically did more to support capitalism than end it. Overnight feminism doubled the available labour pool and lowered labour costs. The result was that now, more often than not, for working class families, BOTH parents needed to work full time to make ends meet (where before a family could be supported by one income) and children grew up neglected and neurotic...and perfect fodder for the 'progressive' education system...

[@chrisstapleton7317]

Bingo

[@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217]

Caeser ... are you interested in a 8 minute or so clip that will, i think, further open your eyes to the purpose of feminism? It is a clip of Aaron Russo, who made the movie "Trading Places" and others, being interviewed and he expounds on the purpose of feminism as to why it was popularised, who popularised it, and why and some of the bombshell information is some of what you stated.

[@RAtMW88]

That was the point. It's a weapon of war, without the violence.

[@BanjoPixelSnack]

It wouldn’t have had to be this way if men hadn’t built a society where women were treated as property (of a father and then a husband). You try living like that, not being able to leave a violent marriage, it being illegal for you to work, or even illegal to have a bank account without your husband’s permission. Would you like to be a woman in that system? Yet we’re the ones you want to blame for breaking the backwards system that men created in the first place. If we’d just shut up and accepted our lot maybe things wouldn’t be so bad? Or maybe the fundamental system is the problem to start with.

[@jasonrose6288]

@@BanjoPixelSnack Your argument is a reasonable response to the original comment. However, both of you, to me, seem to be engaging in black & white thinking. No doubt, feminism has freed women from an oppressive past. Most would agree with that. However, that doesn't mean those changes have not created new and other problems. Nor does it mean that all aspects of every 'feminism' is beyond criticism or outright rejection.

[@josephbrabander9124]

When any of these social issues are politicized you are guaranteeing that they will never be resolved.

[@reformerx667]

You can love or hate this man’s ideas, but it is always a pleasure to hear him speak. So charmingly intelligent. I just got his book and can’t wait to immerse myself in it.

[@keithjackson4985]

I always appreciate intelligent people who make points with ease.

[@RockPile_]

He said nothing particularly insightful here… it’s just a made for KZbin fluff piece to impress laymen with little to no familiarity with any of the topics at hand… it’s not dissimilar to how I can distract an infant by jingling some keys in its face. To the infant, I’m sure it’s a fairly impressive display from the perspective of the baby, (like how to you, the silly and trite observations of Murray are impressive and intelligent) but in reality the only reason one would be impressed is if they are simply too dull/intellectually incurious to see jingling keys for what they are.

[@words007]

@@RockPile_ you fool calling any watcher of this video or clip a layman is like watching a clip of joe rogan saying the N_word and labeling him racist? Is that fair? You have to know who Joe rogan is not just a cut out video clips pieced together to make a fool of somebody whoever ever said Joe is racist after that clip i told them go watch his podcast of last decade especially with black people and then come say hes racist that was my response. But not everybody has time to. This guy above said Dougles Murray knows what hes talking about and you say hes dangling keys in front of kids? Well not everybody has time like you to know everything of when hes dangling keys infront of naive public or when he is talking anything new?

[@keithjackson4985]

@@RockPile_ I like the presentation. It is simple but, he's going against the mainstream with simple logic that I appreciate. Calling people laymen because they enjoy a video is judgmental and unwarranted.

[@RockPile_]

@@keithjackson4985 layman is not an insult, it’s a fact. The issue with your perspective is that he’s not PRESENTING ideas simply, he’s presenting simplistic ideas That means that upon further inspection, none of what he says is really substantive whatsoever. Just empty platitudes delivered with a British accent and a vaguely sophisticated prose… And people like you somehow can’t see through that… don’t you feel condescended to? If someone made content like this targeted towards me, it would feel like they think I’m mentally handicapped

[@keithjackson4985]

@@RockPile_ Wow! You want to argue based on what you're feeling? If their layman and like it, is that a problem? Let people like it without judging them!

[@Apostate_ofmind]

absolutely beautifully put i really admire the eloquence and clarity of thought of this man, and also appreciate the interviewer, which is thoughtful and lets him speak. I did miss these qualities as of late.

[@carlT1986]

One other thing: Douglas, please keep writing. Your books are important to me and mine

[@derekandfarley]

We need more people like Douglas to turn around our woke society. Who ever believes that dividing a nation into small groups of people with a focus on their own special interest would make a nation strong. Division never brings strength and confusion never brings clarity. Our schools are very much to blame for the lack of teaching children to think and reason and to contribute their skills in making our nation prosperous. Instead we are focusing on every special interest group, every minority, every word that might be offensive to someone in one of those groups and even changing the meaning of established words. And then we wonder why our nation is falling apart.

[@robinkrieger8003]

He disdains the word “woke” as all intellectuals do….he’s not a redneck

[@lucillelegge4373]

Schools are not to blame! Parents and a now heavily technologically based society have now molly-coddled children to the extent that they are too lazy to think! Teachers are not allowed to apply any pressure to kids, in case it is detrimental to their"wellbeing". It's a crock!

[@EmergingEvents]

The key point Douglas doesn’t say is that these people who decide why something progressive is ok, (e.g. male weightlifters winning the female category), are the same ones who promote themselves into leadership because they know best. Great work John!

[@judii4370]

very insightful

[@HallyVee]

You're literally delusional. Seek help.

[@stepheneurosailor1623]

Who nose?

[@castertroy9129]

I’m sure he knows what these people are and where they come from. I loved how he put it. Very ambiguous yet so obvious.

[@christopherarmstrong2710]

Spot on.

[@zyzzer]

Murray is absolutely right. It is the very point of this movement to sow seeds of hate and division by lumping "minority" against "majority" and ignoring that the individual is all that matters.

[@just-a-fella3212]

The Left weaponise peer pressure.

[@lornocford6482]

Who are you talking about when you say "minority" and "majority"?

[@xaldynnemo47]

The individual isn't all that matters, that goes against the entire point of society in the first place. Read the first goddamnedsentence of the Constitution.

[@just-a-fella3212]

@@xaldynnemo47 What about the first sentence?

[@xaldynnemo47]

@@just-a-fella3212 Read it.

[@johnhunt5181]

Well said ... Most people know what's going on... It's a shame that most of us are allowing it

[@MerlynMusicman]

I think probably most people don't give a toss.

[@TheBDD1970]

I get so encouraged when I read through the comments and learn of the practice and desire for people to be individuals. Stay free.

[@Uriel-Septim.]

"There have always been and always will be, those who are driven by hate and want to blame those who are happy, creative and productive for their misery." --Terry Goodkind.

[@ExistentialWill]

Yeah like Douglas Murray himself here. Open your eyes to see how much he also hates and divides based on groups.

[@RobertReams2112]

What is this from? I can’t seem to find it anywhere

[@Uriel-Septim.]

@@RobertReams2112 From "The Sword of Truth" serie, it is one of the Wizard's rules.

[@RobertReams2112]

@@Uriel-Septim. thanks!

[@Uriel-Septim.]

@@RobertReams2112 Np. there are a bunch, here is a few of those I like: "Mind what people do, not only what they say, for deeds will betray a lie." "Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self." "You can destroy those who speak the truth, but you cannot destroy the truth itself." "The greatest harm can result from the best intentions." .

[@johncmiles1]

There is such a thing as speaking truth to power and then there's just speaking the plain truth. Douglas Murray always does both eloquently and powerfully.

[@johncmiles1]

@championchap Actually no, speaking truth to power means being willing to tell the truth even if doing so might harm you in some way. Speaking the plain truth is simply conveying a fact, rain is wet. It's true and it takes no courage to say so, well at least until the left comes up with a way to try and decouple us from that reality.

[@wpollock1]

Douglas Murray is one of the great thinkers of our time.

[@5thdimensionliving727]

Thank you Mr Murray for being very articulate in your views - all makes complete sense to me ✅

[@hollyebn]

Two outstanding men who I greatly admire and respect. Thank you for your wisdom.

[@IdealX-fr4eg]

We are becoming more and more segregated by race, sexuality, politics, and religion. It's very scary

[@meplife7313]

Well spoken Douglas Murray :) This lumping people together in groups is just insidious. They almost always exclude others. What I don't agree with is having said groups shoving their ideologies down people's throats like it's supposed to be something everyone agrees on. The fact is we're all different, have different values, race, religions, sexualities, etc. We're also all unique and our own person. There's just things that should remain unsaid. There's things about myself that no-one but my immediate family and close friends know. That's just how it should be. The stuff that gets publicised these days is obscene.

[@matthewclark6625]

Douglas Murray and Neil Oliver are two of the most perceptive social commentors in the western media. The United Kingdom is fortunate to have them.

[@leonharrison800]

These men are just Conservative bigots living in their bubble of superficiality. And an agenda of hate and white heteronormative privilege.

[@daytradingnl4734]

“You are opressed. Let me help you to punish the opressors. Let me be in power/give me your money and I will set things right”

[@mrsw2923]

BINGO!!

[@criticalthinker8374]

Same with the BLM creeps, they bought expensive homes with the money they swindled.

[@xaldynnemo47]

Who said that?

[@timshipp1145]

"Why would we be taking the individualism out of the individual?". -- Douglas Murray Answer: Because not doing so would lessen any political capital that a particular 'community' has to gain. It's much harder for an individual to 'change the system' than it is for an entire community.

[@Acueil]

Because it's the one thing that will feed socialism/communism. Individuality is harmful for their ideology.

[@venusianblivet9518]

Groups can’t make decisions, only individuals can, and believing groups can make decisions is really just believing that the majority in a group has the right to make decisions for the minority, aka collectivism

[@easypeasy2938]

Just putting this out there.... it might be important to remember the history of the community. These communities formed because they were often treated very poorly as "individuals". Considering the much broader acceptance of these communities as of late, it was a successful tactic. Unfortunately, when progress is made, it seems to be the nature of humans in general to want more, which can spiral out of control until checked by those who oppose these changes.

[@realtimestrategy227]

"what if that's the point" cut so hard and so deep the host is left speechless.

[@gregoryforde7447]

Absolutely

[@leunisvandewege9651]

see: Yuri Bezmenov (YT)

[@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217]

@@leunisvandewege9651 Well suggested.

[@BPchadlite]

It was conspiracy cringe from Douglas smelling his own farts as usual

[@filled_soda]

@@leunisvandewege9651 #yuriwasright

[@terenceboris851]

Douglas Murray is a hero of intelligence and logic.

[@scotiancoast4498]

"Take me to your leader" 🤣

[@erato99]

I’m a progressive, and I always appreciate Douglas Murray’s point of view. He never ceases to provide a practical and well-reasoned common sense approach to most issues.

[@normatemp2071]

Huh? His argument was "oh come on..."

[@Arareemote]

@@normatemp2071 If you watched a 6 minute discussion and only extracted "Oh...come on" Then I'd say that's more a consequence of your comprehension/disinterest rather than the discussion lol.

[@BradLad56]

Shame there's a lot of regressives masquerading as progressives though.

[@erato99]

@@BradLad56 True. The problem is that most of the folks that want to scold others over language and other such innocuous things tend to identify themselves as progressive as well.

[@normatemp2071]

@@publius1252 if you form a community you are.

[@gra-emed3617]

I always feel reassured when I hear people like DM talk common sense. I have no interest in being part of an LGBT (whatever else added on community). I am just a guy and will never comply with this demand to be labelled by my sexuality

[@michaelbaker6324]

Absolutely. My so-called sexuality is probably the least interesting thing about me. I have absolutely zero attachment to the LGBTQXYZLMNOP "community."

[@geerttermeer3358]

Yes...we have to STOP talking about heterosexuals!

[@gra-emed3617]

@@michaelbaker6324 totally agree

[@gra-emed3617]

@@geerttermeer3358 huh? 🤣

[@geerttermeer3358]

@@gra-emed3617 Oops...are you the Marxist that DM is talking about? Congratulations, as this is a nearly extinct species. The world now is ruled by extreme right wingers, or right wingers like Biden. Left is totally beaten. Now it is up to us: the super rich to ask for more tax cuts and less protection of the poor or the environment (we just move to Norway when there is a problem). By the way: environmentalists is also not a group...

[@alyahamzah1952]

In my experience, non heterosexual ppl tend to think their sexuality is a major part of their personality and often impose and overshare it to others when it is unnecessary to do so. Nobody needs to know what you like to do behind closed doors and with whom in the privacy of your home.

[@fomorians]

There's a whole bunch of us non-heterosexual people who never even mention our sexuality unless it's absolutely relevant/necessary. Precisely because it's meant to be private. I'm sorry about your experiences, but those people are simply insecure and need attention.

[@MKdence_]

I mean, that is because unless they "impose or overshare" it you naturally assume they are heterosexual and therefore, those who keep it to themselves are not part of your experience with non-heterosexuals.

[@cpasty3450]

I am a member of the non-LGBTQI+ community. I'm sure I'm not alone, but I don't see or hear anyone in the mainstream media identifying like me.

[@christinamjp]

Oh we are here!!

[@Ashigeru47]

The fact is that straight people don't feel the need to tell everyone their sexuality. LGBTQ activists insist on telling the world about it... They don't seem to realize that No One Cares! But, they feel the visceral need to be seen as "Special" that they get upset when they aren't treated like celebrities for not being straight...

[@cheshirekat3050]

What's "mainstream" these days?

[@commandershepard9920]

Being a member of the "non-LGBTQI+ community" has not, historically, been a source of discrimination. I'm against identity politics, but the reason why certain "groups" exist can often be traced to historical discrimination. It's because all (or most) members of that "group" all have something in common - being discriminated against. Of course "proudly identifying as straight" is silly and idiotic, because you've never had to face discrimination for being straight.

[@cpasty3450]

@Zippitydoodah I'm with you Zippy

[@ericbrown5589]

It is always a pleasure to listen to Douglas Murray, so much common sense.

[@TheSmithsons]

What a great enlightening conversation to listen to , 🏆🏆

[@stormhawk3319]

Well there’s no such thing as a “straight community” either and I’m straight.

[@lieshtmeiser5542]

There is no such thing as straight, thats LGT talk.

[@therageknight8546]

@@lieshtmeiser5542 exactly. There never used to be such a huge mess.

[@FriendlyNeighbourhoodSpidey]

@@lieshtmeiser5542 Yeah, there's only 'normal' and 'bent'.

[@AJ-hc5zo]

@@lieshtmeiser5542 Lol what? Like there just won't be a word to describe folks who are heterosexual?

[@lieshtmeiser5542]

@@AJ-hc5zo LGTs use the label, and in some cases it is derogatory. Theres literally almost no point for non-LGT people to use the term 'straight' in their every day life.

[@kaylenehousego8929]

Such a wonderful conversation n such a privilege to to live in a Country where we can still access such opportunity's for learning n thinking together. Thank you both.

[@stepheneurosailor1623]

Not for much longer.

[@kaylenehousego8929]

@@stepheneurosailor1623 Now theres a constructive creative response....

[@douglasherron7534]

@@kaylenehousego8929 But unfortunately a true one - if recent events in Australia, Canada, the USA and the UK are taken into consideration...

[@2FollowHim777]

I actually think we'll find ways; different ways of expressing, subtle, untraceable

[@kaylenehousego8929]

Maybe so, but is that really how you want to live ?

[@lavonnekelly9173]

This has always been a pet peeve of mine....putting people into catagories...I have always seen people as individuals.

[@just-a-fella3212]

The Left are weaponising peer pressure.

[@xaldynnemo47]

Do you not see the hypocrisy then in republican politicians legislating specifically against LGBT people as a whole?

[@schrodingerscat1863]

We need more people like Douglas Murray who are able to think deeply on these divisive topics and discuss them eloquently and forthrightly.

[@MrCamaleon7]

I could listen to Douglas Murray all day

[@glennhynes5263]

Thank God, in the most literal sense, for his intelligence, his attitude and his refusal to accept absurdity. We need him, the world needs him.

[@ouicommunicate]

Finally ! it has been said. Any "community" is a journalistic term that refers to ...nothing.

[@leonharrison800]

You are a Bigot. Community is real and is geographic or virtual. All that matters is that anyone who is LGBT or any other group can find where they belong! Fact.

[@moirabaker458]

Douglas Murray... The voice of reason in a MAD world!!!

[@lenmessi27]

Finally a brave man speaks the truth without fear. Thank you

[@thormusique]

Bravo, Douglas Murray! As always, an intelligent, cogently presented statement of one of the greatest challenges facing the West today. Cheers!

[@davidoberle9023]

Douglas Murray is an eloquent speaker. Easy for me to understand and great examples in day-to-day life.

[@user-vp8wq2ik7g]

Keep advocating. Keep pushing. Douglas Murray, you are a hero. You are not the only one.....but you are so vital! Go go go~~~~!!!

[@MsSpirit-cn7pw]

I love you Douglas Murray. You are honest and highly intelligent.

[@davidjohn5639]

Douglas Murray is brilliant. Pure and simple.

[@danipianoarts]

"Why would we take the individualism out of individuals" - - > exactly!

[@Exotic3000]

I love the way Douglas Murray thinks! ❤

[@hansfranklin5070]

It's exactly the point! To keep us divided and distracted by those who want to control us!

[@dina113east]

I often express the same views as Douglas Murray, but he is so articulate in his explanation of what is occurring. He also is calm when speaking, which is difficult for me when I am speaking to someone who has been indoctrinated in college and cannot look beyond those teachings. Douglas Murray and Dr. Jordan Peterson are two of the most brilliant minds in recent history.

[@Friendofstfrank]

I don't think so. There are a lot of people with brilliant minds that don't go for the write a book and be famous group. But I will agree these men are intelligent. I worry about Jordon Peterson. He is undergoing a very public melt-down/breakdown whatever you want to call it. His detractors have gotten so aggressive and pushy they have about pushed him right over the edge. He needs a break where he can get away from being under a microscope, over-analyzed and Rightfully 'paranoid' (when they really are out to get you 'paranoia' is factual not an unusual reaction). I don't know if he can get it though. His detractors will sniff him out and keep pushing him hard. But hopefully he can figure out a way to get some rest and regroup. Those who are highly intelligent often see the bigger picture absurdity problems and not so much just good stuff. Anyway, many people have these views or can argue rationally like this. But they don't have a platform, book to hock, or a predominate 'influencer' role so when they make the same brilliant arguments which are rather old actually, they simply don't get the attention of these guys. Notoriety can be a blessing or curse depending on how seriously you take yourself.

[@dina113east]

@@Friendofstfrank Just listening to the opinions of Douglas Murray or Dr. Peterson gives the listener a clear understanding of the subject they speak about. They are excellent communicators. Most importantly they have incredible insight into the subject they are discussing. They are brilliant.

[@rozsheehy6146]

I don't know what's going on, but lately, when I watch these kinds of videos, I can press on the like button all day and it STILL doesn't register!!! So, I'm TELLING YOU, keep up the good work!!!!

[@jt66radioguy4]

“What if that’s the point?”…. Brilliant statement and I think that IS the point.

[@tatt4music]

Finally. Someone said it. There’s is no community!!! No group. No club and no point. Everyone needs to stop using their terms. Life is about the individual. Not the made up group. It’s childish and dangerous.

[@theconiferoust9598]

the bigger point is to make it a club, so that its easier to group up points in election races, power grabs; to get people thinking (i.e. voting) in one direction regardless of reality. these groups also model their own «facts» around this club identity and make it less likely that scandals or impropriety, which will always be weaponized by the «other», will dissuade their groupthink. think neverTrumpers, and all the self-policing of beliefs and party line bullying people face further ensures they tow the line.

[@philmuskett265]

Listen to this man before it's too late!!

[@mikemuffoletto4331]

There are always at least 2 sides to any story. It was great to hear this outlook. We all find ourselves part of a group - like it or not. The further from the majority it lies, the harder the road will be to stay true to yourself.

[@suzieq0452]

My Mother taught her children that there are Three Sides to ever story.Yours,Mine and the TRUTH.

[@walterbates1654]

Feeding the KZbin algorithm. Love Douglas. His intellect is rarely equaled.

[@johansen2bfree]

I admire Douglas Murray because he is a brilliant thought leader. I'm a devoted Pentecostal Christian, with a working-class background. But I never batter people due to their sexuality, faith or political views. I like an honest debate and think we need to protect the values that encourage community and wholesomeness. Let us push back against those who divide us!

[@ardnfast]

"...taking the individualism out of individuals" 🙌👏

[@brucecharlie8613]

Working class = low tax bracket Middle class = high tax bracket Ruling class = tax evasion Your welcome lol

[@kdjourney51]

Great speaker, articulate. Clear. So glad we are talking about the pattern of captured systems.

[@benadams3569]

On point. Within the last few years, I've realized that I'm an atheist and have always been because it all seemed silly to me. On social media, I USED TO follow an atheist activist who was once an evangelical Christian. He pushes his agendas as hard as an atheist activist as he probably did as a religious person.......including transphobia and other such nonsense.

[@jacksonkerr2095]

He asked an excellent question: "Why would we be taking the individualism out of individuals?" One of the key things I would argue about this is that governments and groups interested in changing society want people to fight. Pit men against women, children against parents, have people fight about anything, and divide them this way. As long as people fight against each other they won't notice their rights being usurped and taken away. They won't notice the government exercising powers it doesn't (or isn't supposed to) have. It's the criminal in the street pitting two people against each other so they won't chase and catch him together.

[@BretTkacs]

What a pleasure to hear a politician speaking in a way that makes sense and isn't towing a hard line left or right

[@NoMoreNever]

That moment right there at 2:29 is what I have been thinking ever since this thing started getting attention in the media, dividing people rather than uniting them.

[@michaelbeckner4989]

Douglas Murray is so on point iy's ridiculous! He holds that embarrassing and shameful mirror in front of those that solve no social problems . They only propagate lies and confusion.