Down the Cabbage Hill: I-84 Westbound (Oregon)

[@ARKLITE881South]

I and 2 other guys put the guard rail up on cabbage hill in 74 when i was in construction.

[@timtaylor2001]

I have drove this hill many times and I have the upmost respect for the big rigs that have to navigate this big hill. I always give the semi's the room they need.

[@Alkysix]

There used to be a truck stop at the bottom and you could buy a T-shirt that said,"I survived Cabbage Hill." LOL

[@daithio.7378]

George Fisher a handy way to make a few dollars hey, I would have bought a t.shirt 😇📸.👍.

[@annielyn59]

I have one

[@4Score747]

Old Cabbage Pass. First truck was an old cabover... it would heat up every time going east. Long time ago...had to turn on the defroster in the summer full blast to help cool her down and get that annoying alarm to quit buzzing! Thanks for your videos. Brings back old memories with my husband who is now gone, but not forgotten! R.I.P. Ernie❤️ 11/25/29-09/23/10

[@timcook9201]

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[@demulatowiththeheat7664]

Im in training and oh boy this shit will humble you tf up 😂Respect the road

[@ladytrucker6768]

Mercy,thats a bad hill sweety..Was only on it one time in my 25 years of truckin that was enough for me...we got a load goin to Seattle, Wa....hubby had been drivin for more years than me but my little brother had always warned me about cabbage patch hill, specially in the winter time & it was cold that night when me & hubby started off it..but he said he could handle it with no problems..well, we didn't but I am just glad we made it to the bottom..brakes a smokin big time..if we had of had any of them real sharp curves dwon close to the bottom, we would have been in serious trouble..lol.thanks a bunch for lettin me see it in the daytime...

[@otf7466]

Did Cabbage hill both way on a trip from Seattle to Denver in a beater Saturn with questionable brakes and suspension. East bound at night was rough. It was a wake up call. The trip was my firsy major drive like that. West bound was a blast during the day. What amazing views.

[@ziptie4061]

Thank you Survive The Time. I really enjoyed your vido and Viewed it as a learning tool. Easy comprehension without the stress of snow and night time driving, I was able to fully take it all in.

[@graves74]

I did this in dense fog at 45 mph, couldn’t see 5 feet in front. Used fog lines to guide me.

[@sexywater1064]

Never been over cabbage but thanks I heard stories

[@LAZBY]

i always love this view

[@simpleman283]

I got to the to one time just in time to film the entire sun going down. Watching the other trucks coming up was cool too.

[@forgivenprodution]

Wow nice video truly brings back memories when I went down that hill the first time in 1995 with my first Truck.. And now this summer of 2018 I will retire from Truck drive 🙌😁Awesome Thanks for sharing

[@buddahreapa4330]

Just did this route it's amazing, I did everything he said same speed and all and it's my first time watching. The state is amazing. I'm at exit 17 off of I84 as of now

[@robertjonas6216]

trucker p did you manage to find parking there? Lol

[@Bendigo1]

Biggest problem isnt the grade its the 45mph switchback it starts out shallow then gets steep. Been over that road many times. 9/10 times i see someone parked at the bottom their brakes smoking like crazy

[@edzeiser6640]

Good video - brought back many memories.

[@ziptie4061]

Enjoyed the beautiful scenery.

[@bigd-1-channel514]

1st time thru, Trainee driver with JB. My Trainer told me to wake him up before I got there, it was night time, I decided to give it a go, but it became so foggy I had to wake him up and he actually had to get out and walk the line about 8 feet in front of the truck. I swear though, we heard a truck go by us very fast, never saw a thing, he said something about it being the "Ghost Truck".

[@gladimmeandnotyou]

Did my first solo Cabbage westbound in winter. The weather was sh*t so I waited out the chain laws and followed the plows. July and the one going into SLC (forget the name) are a little crazier to me due to traffic, but I agree with the other posters about the East. While the hills are shorter, running 7% + grades with 45,000 lbs of paper in back will suck me to the seat every time.

[@ddenton7063]

Wow! Glad you are one of the safe truck drivers out there!

[@stuartwilkinson172]

I've been down a 15% grade south of Philadelphia PA. Even though it was short, it was steep and had sharp turns. speed limit was 45 and I was going about 15 with the jake holding me back. The turns were not 45 mph truck turns.

[@slimjimmy9467]

Love that drive in the summer months but in the winter and the roads are bad and its snowing from Baker City to the bottom of cabbage in the winter can cause gray hairs and rattled nerves

[@macaroonski19]

I’m currently in CDL school. One of the job offers that I have, drives that pass twice a week. It’s the only part of the drive that scares the shit out of me. I’m assuming with time and confidence that will go away. I appreciate your videos.

[@simpleman283]

The BIGGEST problem will be when you get too much confidence.

[@bc58]

Just take your time going down. The hell with everyone else behind you. Don’t let them intimidate you and to speed up. Nice and slow.

[@popwarner1526]

I always used to put mine in Georgia overdrive when I was driving west on cabbage. just let her rip

[@MiracleMortgages]

Love this drive down the hill into Pendleton. Sure is a hell of a view on the way down.

[@BrianBinOR]

Kevin Miracle last time I traveled it was 35 years ago, and I still recognized it like it was yesterday.

[@dallasmuir8215]

Gotta love coming down cabbage haha!

[@georgekusz4221]

Is there another east west similar to this. I did Vancouver Houston in 70thies that rout but I new that as an Emigrant Hill. it sure looks the same, and yes once down west in the winter, different ball game. Cheers fellows and truck'em easy.

[@larrybaker8012]

Emnigrant hill is on the road, down the road

[@ramonsantiago316]

Thks love the info & scenery...

[@lisaearhart5483]

Thank you for showing me what I couldn't see when I drove this right before halloween. I was a first time driver, late at night my other driver was asleep and the radio station kept going out and to top it off my claustrophobia was kicking in. I ended up pulling into a town called Baker City for a quick stop.

[@DOCSAFETUBE]

Thank you for your generous Comment..And your feedback .I've been on the road for 3 weeks and i do good as a driver..I'm a defensive driver ..using the smith system at all times..iil agree With you on new students..But I've Seen Reckless driving by veteran drivers also..I've always wanted to truck drive..Only thing that I'm not hyped on Is mountain driving..I got six thousand in the box Heading to Oregon..Any advice would be helpful Thank you very much..btw i got a half way good trainer..not as good as my first trainer..ill listen and be safe.

[@survivethetime2442]

The only thing ya have to worry about with such a light load is losing traction on wet pavement. If it's wet, just excercise caution. Wind is also an issue between the base of the Cabbage and The Dulles, so check ur weather for any high wind advisories. Other than that .... a light load should make the first trip down the Cabbage a real easy one! (Assuming it's not snowing). Hell Canyon runs from Baker City to (mm304) through approx mm255, The actual highest point is about mm248 or so .... it's higher in elevation than Cabbage Hill. The canyon gets nasty snowfall and ice if the weather is bad. Carry chains of course, Oregon requires all tires on Drive Axle chained, and also drag chains on the trailer (two tires on opposite sides of same trailer axle). Make sure you have the proper chains with you for any winter driving in Oregon. I've seen the DOT set up at mm265 and write tickets for those that aren't prepared. They even cruise through the Flying J there and spotlight parked trucks looking for the ones they can write as soon as they venture out of the truckstop, There is a rest stop at the mm228 that is a good place to do a final brake check, and also one by the weigh station at approx mm224 if you don't want to leave the highway. You'll be fine. Its a short grade compared to others. I-80 from Reno to Auburn is 40 miles of downgrade, compared to Cabbage at 6 miles. You got to be really in trouble to have brake problems on Cabbage if you are doing things right goin' down. Take your time and watch out for the others (4-wheelers & Big Trucks), coz they are the ones that can hose up a good day. When reacting to what others are doing it can cause you to break your pace or force you to perform unplanned and unwanted braking. If no other traffic it would be easy to get around on these mountain passes, The traffic is what generally screws ya up! Let us know how it went!!! Good Luck!!

[@SurviveTheTime]

Thanks Mr. Archer for all your great comments and also the suggestion on identifying where the runaway ramps are located: mm221.9 and the mm222.1 are the runaway ramp locations. Found a GREAT State of Oregon 1 page publication named "RESPECT THE HILL" and it has all the pertinent information about this grade!! www.oregon.gov/ODOT/MCT/docs/emigranthill.pdf

[@SurviveTheTime]

Thank you! I'm happy you enjoyed it!

[@azcactusflower1]

My 27 years of driving 90% was without training wheels (jake). Heck even earlier days without power steering. Respect the road and other drivers leads to zero problems.

[@LeonAllanDavis]

Back in the day we didn't have trucks. We had mules. One of the mules was named "Jake" and every hour we had to give him a rest. We called it the "Jake break". He made a lot of noise going down the hill on the way into town. Woke everybody up. People got mad but what could they do? We were carrying beer. And the mail. And now and then, a freelance dancehall girl. Wound up selling Jake to a rich fat chick. Rumor has it she had an act in Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show in which Jake played a significant role. Delicacy forbids me from relating exactly what that role was but it was banned in every state except Kansas.

[@jeffsmith6825]

lmao

[@willielowery8549]

Jake brake is "training wheels" 🤣

[@zachz699]

Eat a fat one super trucker lol If a jake is training wheels whats a manual transmission LOL

[@FortWorthPro2010]

My dad said Cabbage Hill, Donner Pass, and 4 July Pass in a truck would make his butt pucker and stick to the seat an gray hairs on top in the winter.He flat out does not like driving in the northwest during the winter but, as he said someones got to do it.But, I got to say as a drivers daughter more power to you and be safe out there on the road. By the way has anyone heard about when the E Logs are going into effect? Thank you. Amber

[@SurviveTheTime]

Yeah Amber ... some of these grades can be a bit scary in the winter for sure, but "generally" speaking it's managable. Most brake failure accidents are a result of improperly adjusted and/or maintained air brakes ..... Most accidents involving loss of control are a result of excessive speed for the conditions, and this too is a factor that the driver should be able to control. My biggest anxiety on the highway (in any weather) is "the other guy", whether it be 4-wheeler or another Big Truck ... ya just can't guess what they might do, which introduces a big UNKNOWN into what should be a managable risk. Stupidity Kills. The new ELOG rules are still being written and finalized, and I think last draft was adopted in March 2014, and scheduled to be implemented in 1st qtr 2015 unless it gets derailed sometime between now and then. Thanks for your great comment!!

[@FortWorthPro2010]

You are right about the 4 wheeler's out there they just do not understand what is like to drive a Big Truck and watch out for other drivers.I was just talking to Dad yesterday on the phone and he had talk about proper brake adjustment and air brake system maintaince ( which when I work in the shop with him that was always the first thing that we did to every truck before leaving the shop) and control over all coming down and up the grade is Number 1. As you said Stupidity Kills. Thanks and Keep Safe on the road. Amber

[@tonybaloney5606]

I just drove down that this week. Eastbound. Its not bad at all. Westbound on the other hand.....

[@tank2g2]

woah that is quite the grade you got there sir

[@1960markN]

At about 8:35--a little hard to see here, but in real life, that view to the valley looks like you are looking at a runway from a plane. That is not a hill to trifle with in any vehicle.

[@mildredbrown4891]

When I first cross cabbage it was weird at the top we were in the clouds the way down was scary because a lot of trucks had smoking brakes,the restaurant at the bottom was a I got to pee stop lol

[@tr364]

Nice and safe video....cool!!!!

[@johnmagee6365]

Pennsylvania has steep hills like up to 9 percent they are not long like the mountains of West

[@gravelydon7072]

Near Scranton is one I know. I could count the cylinders as I started up the grade from a dead stop. If only I could drive I-81 thru the mountains one time when it wasn't snowing, foggy, or raining.

[@kevinstewart449]

John Magee: The Wilkes-Barre Hill?

[@ralphjames1211]

1 mile 9% grade on I-79 northbound right before the I-70 interchange ramps!

[@raking954]

John Magee yeah on I80

[@raking954]

Ralph James yeah I 79 has so much curves

[@Iwanncamp]

That was funny, how to navigate a 13' bridge!

[@SurviveTheTime]

Amazing! I published this video 15 months ago, and you're the first one to notice (or comment) on the 13' bridge diversion ..... Bravo!! I guess my sense of humor is off the beaten path of normality ... Thanks for noticing and thanks for the comment!

[@SurviveTheTime]

Gerry Buck My pleasure sir and happy it brought back good memories!

[@SurviveTheTime]

Glad you made it down safely. I can;t imagine driving with a trainee!!! That's scary stuff/ There is a KZbin video of a trainer & trainee losing control on I80 Donner's Pass downgrade in CA, and they didn't make it alive. Be safe & thanx for the comment.

[@TruckerReddsprinkle]

I think I was on it yesterday and had no idea

[@paulsmallriver6066]

Driving thru paradise

[@ladonna1902]

Those are some big drop offs by the left lane.

[@stephenfuller5614]

Looks familiar.😎

[@theink1165]

When I was a kid my dad would park his truck and drive others guys trucks who didn't want to go I would sit with a state trooper and he would drive another truck back then we would go in the winter of course lol

[@Marsbonfire007]

I had always heard this is one of the worst hills to go down in the country. From the video, it didn't look that bad to me. I thought that I-40 west coming out of North Carolina was a little tough, but veteran drivers told me that's nothing compared to cabbage hill. I don't know. Anyone know what that steep hill in California (not Donner's pass) is called?

[@SurviveTheTime]

From Donner's to Auburn is a long 40 mile downgrade with a series of 4%, 5% & 6% intermediate downgrades. You are probably referring to Emigrant Gap, which is just part of that long extended downgrade west of Donner's Pass, and Emigrant Gap is the location where CHP requires all Big Trucks to stop and perform a brake check prior to proceeding. The I-5 Grapevine (Northbound) is pretty nasty, with downhill speeds limited to 35mph, though it's only a few miles long. I seen alot of smokin' brakes on the Grapevine. The goal is simply not to use your brakes, or use them as little as possible. When the brakes are used, the weight of the truck v.s. the speed of the truck on the grade causes the brakes to heat up very fast, and when the brake drum can no longer dissipate the heat from the application of the brakes ... the trouble begins. You have to NOT get to the point where you have hot brakes, or things can go bad very quickly. The heavier you are, the more braking you need (engine and/or service brakes). The faster you are moving, the more braking force is required to keep the truck from free wheeling down the grade due to loss of brakes. No grade is really worse than another I think, if you are doing things right. But goin' too fast with a load, even a short downgrade can get someone killed. The real challenge is winter driving, when compression brakes are used less (or not at all) and icy conditions exist. I have come over Sherman Hill (I80 Wyoming) on ice packed roads as slow as 15mph. It's only 2 miles long! Thanks for your post!

[@sickofguysnamedtodd2293]

I-40 west coming out of North Carolina is the gorge it's just windy and narrow, not very steep. Black mountain on 40 eastbound is the descent just east of Asheville and Swanannoa. It's uphill going west

[@supertrucker7002]

black mountain isn't nothing compared to them hills out west

[@BrianBinOR]

Marsbonfire Do you mean the Grapevine?

[@mark98115]

This is definitely more extreme in real life than in a video. You have to see the highway as you approach the big hill going southbound. A view from the distance gives you a better idea.

[@SuperJohn0927]

In winter time when the road be iced up, without tire chain

[@marty73638]

survive thetime,is this a HOT-SHOT ,rig?

[@deangmoxon]

Thank you

[@davidjandrow1098]

11:00 is where I want to longboard down Cabbage hill.

[@messerschmittme-1098]

i recognize this downgrade. im a new driver and i had a load going from los angeles CA to Hermiston OR and for some reason they had me take the i-15N then the i-84w thats when i came across this decline. i didnt think it was that dangerous until i saw this video but then again i remembered my training. i respect nature as well as my truck so i took it slow and made it down safely.

[@BrianBinOR]

Messerschmitt ME-109 I'm not a trucker but I've lived and travelled all over the west coast and Northwest, and that choice of routes mystifies me. Why not I-5 North to Weed, 97 north to the Gorge, then I-84 east into Hermiston?

[@earlharman2040]

I used to run cabbage a lot.

[@freequest]

Yeah, do this is American Truck Simulator. Its more condensed in that game because of scaling but still have to go slow.

[@geofractal]

Good narrative

[@paddleboarderfun1]

My first time on 7th gear and engine brake. Slow and easy

[@Railer61]

Do as the signs say and you'll be fine down this hill. Only been down it twice and up once, its a doozey, but manageable.

[@LeonAllanDavis]

Too bad there isn't a regeneration unit on these trucks where you could charge a lithium battery pack. That's a lot of free energy going to waste. Not exactly free because it was expended going up the hill but it would be nice to recover it on the descent. Or most of it, anyway. I might design an electric motor that's integrated with the drive shaft. A "lugger motor". Wouldn't have to be very large. High torque. It could even move the truck around the yard on its own.

[@DRTY3RD]

I've often wondered how big truck manufacturers have yet to engineer an RBS for big trucks (regenerative braking--transit buses have had the technology for years.) All the energy expended by braking gets fed into the bus's battery to use as a hybrid energy source. I'd think one of these days we may see something similar on to the big rigs.

[@258shoff]

question. so, you're in 8th gear letting the Jakes take you down the hill, now if it was slick to the point no Jake brakes could be used would you put it down to 6th? I've never not gone down a mountain without jakes,whether it be snowing, or heavy rain which may be foolish but going down without Jake brakes will make the revs scream won't they?

[@carolinaoutlaw4929]

258shoff revs help the Jake's the higher the revs the more the Jake's are working just don't let them reach over 2500 rpms

[@williammiller4081]

I woke up just after the yellow &black sine My fellow driver in training with sw---74000 he burned trailer brks 65 most the way I commly asked him if he knew about jakebrk,and put it on later he told me that we always have the springbrakes

[@ralphjames1211]

They need to make the downhill roadway on Cabbage Hill 3 lanes for the sake of safety, and they do got the room for a 3rd lane, by the way, just that Oregon is too cheap to build a 3rd lane on that downhill 2-laner!!!

[@Bendigo1]

Totally agree. Need a lane for the slow slow trucks and 2 for passing. Something like they have on the grapevine

[@ralphjames1211]

@@Bendigo1 ........and Monteagle, too!!!

[@wickwire9560]

When your on that last switchback just let it go ...

[@camoking270]

Y? Shift going down a mountain maintaining yr speed then decided to shift ??? if you can't get it in gear yr fucked!!!

[@vicentegarcia569]

I seen u got passed by a simplot truck from idaho

[@larrybaker8012]

Them 'ol taters are heavy!!

[@jerrypritchard7220]

u dont hit cruise control

[@glowbug60]

Good Job but you owe me a hamburger for the grind lol

[@survivethetime2442]

Hamburger? How about a Guinea Grinder instead? Just seems most appropriate!!

[@glowbug60]

Nice job happens to everyone now and then. just wanted to see ya the burger you ground. lol

[@DOCSAFETUBE]

Bro...every trucker was a trainee at one point..theres some bad ones and for the most part good ones .ur comnent bout donner didnt make sense is all..im a Student and a heck of a driver...doesnt mean im scared of mountain driving..tomorrow i got to drive this pass...ill be ok..b/c i wont put my trainers life on the line..so please dont bash us new drivers.

[@survivethetime2442]

Hey Doc, sorry if the trainee comment offended you, but if you are going to be truckin', you better develop a thicker skin. Trainers risk their lives teaching students how to drive, or better stated "How NOT to drive". In a 3000lb car, you can make a few mistakes and get through it without kiiling yourself or others, but in an 40 ton truck it's a whole different reality. I wasn't bashin new drivers, just stating facts. Most of the "Company Trainers" ONLY make money once they get the trainee to a TEAM environment and so they generally will climb in the sleeper LONG before they should and allow the trainee to drive alone unsupervised. This is a very dangerous job for the trainer. Many of the COMPANY MENTOR programs now have company drivers certifying the drivers for the DOT. Many of these guys are getting there CDL without every testing (real test) with a DOT officer. Once you get some miles under your belt, you will better understand my perspective, Last month, a CRENGLAND driver wiped out a DOT sandtuck in Indiana during an ice storm, killing the driver. Everyday, a rookie driver does something stupid in MY space, endangering himself, me and anyone around us. You will see it once you get out here and you will agree. You will shake your head and wonder how the guy ever got a sign off. I had a Martin driver ask me if I would back his truck into the HOLE at a truck stop because he didnt know how to park. I refused. I told him he had no business driving if he couldn't even park the truck. There are a miilion stories. They all revolve around drivers not being trained properly or fully. I admire trainers for the job they do, but there is NO WAY I would ever do it. Good luck. Always stay ahead of your truck and stay safe. I'm sure you will be one of the good ones ..... but you will, as I do ...have to share your space with those that are in need of further training, and those that also have no business driving at all. Cabbage Hill is easy .... just don't use your brakes! Use the engine and enjoy the ride. Cheers comrade and welcome aboard.

[@gandysoutdoors3412]

I am a trainer and I prefer sitting in jump seat while student drives mountains the only way to train mountain driving is hands on

[@Jagg61]

Cabbage is barely a challenge now. In the 70's it was still 9%

[@cahcah3194]

Rt

[@GuestYouTubeUser]

That ain’t shit! That’s easy!

[@michaelvandyke6715]

I suppose you think "Fourth of July Pass and Look Out Pass" are a cake walk too....😂😂😂👎👎

[@javenjames4912]

Just take yo.time and use.common sense

[@SuperJohn0927]

That is nothing

[@LanceBrown-fq4md]

S*** I pulled tankers a hazmat down there 55 miles an hour 26 miles an hour come on really you call yourself a trucker hahaha