Downfall of the Third Reich | do it Games | World War 2 Grand Strategic Board Game | Wargame

[@hermannluttmann1637]

Good follow up video to Downfall of Empires! Yeah, this one is one level up on the Crunchy Scale from DoE but still looks very manageable and playable in a reasonable amount of time. The production is top notch - really like the counters and those tech tiles. Good gaming!

[@ZillaBlitz]

Yes, as you mention, it feels just a touch up on the complexity level from Empires. Very excited to see how they play. :)

[@campsawyer]

Thanks for the video. Inclusion of trays goes way back to the 1970's, Avalon Hill did it with a few, SPI made the packaging into the trays with the flat packs. GMT has started putting trays in a select number of games.

[@ZillaBlitz]

Interesting, thanks. I didn't know about Avalon Hill doing it, but I have a few of the SPI games, I should have remembered that. And I didn't know that GMT did it either. So it's definitely not the first game ever to do this. :)

[@cwcsquared]

I’m not aware of any Avalon Hill games that had the plastic trays.

[@farpointgamingdirect]

Nice looking games! I have some old Victory Games that came with storage trays

[@ZillaBlitz]

Aha! I did not know that, thanks! :)

[@cwcsquared]

Most of the SPI box versions came with plastic trays

[@ZillaBlitz]

Yes, a few people mentioned that as well, and I totally forgot about those. I actually have a half dozen or so, and did an unboxing of Patrol on the channel. :) It's probably a bit different because the box is the tray, but technically, yes, they had trays included. :)

[@SoloBattles]

The old SPI folio games used to come as the box bottom was counter trays with a plastic cover, on top of which were the paper map and rules. The War of the Ring was the only one I owned. That was nearly 50 years ago, my memory is to be questioned. 🤪

[@ZillaBlitz]

That's right! I have a bunch of those too. It's perhaps a bit different because the box is the case, but yeah, the goal is the same. Nice recollection!

[@stediths]

A lot of the Worthington Games games over the past few years have come with a counter tray - a unique one too, designed for blocks.

[@ZillaBlitz]

Oh, nice to know, so it is definitely a thing done numerous other places, good to know. :)

[@davet010]

Hi Zilla. Enjoyed the unboxing, although 4 hour games are a bit outside my interests at the moment. So far as trays go, there were the AH and SPI ones mentioned below, in particular I remember a WW2 SPI one where the tray WAS the box - I also recall that dropping that was a disaster. I can confirm that the Skyrim board game has a 2 layer storage solution (well, the box is almost 6" deep), I've got 2 expansions but they are almost all cards rather than counters - and there is a long card box with dividers. a la 7th Continent.

[@ZillaBlitz]

Yes, Boom mentioned the SPI trays that were the bottom half of the box, and I have a few of those. I think I did an unboxing on Patrol, which is that sort of a layout too. Are you liking Skyrim so far? I'm living that one vicariously through you, still very tempted to add that one to the wishlist. :)

[@rp7390]

The conflict of heroes games also have storage trays, at least awakening the bear (3rd ed.)

[@ZillaBlitz]

D'oh! That's right! I actually was just looking at that game a little while ago. Of course. Thanks for pointing that out. :)

[@kevinbertram4828]

This looks intriguing! Great video, as always.

[@ZillaBlitz]

Thanks! One of the things that I like about The Shores of Tripoli is the design is accessible, but variations on strategy are remarkably deep. I get a sense that both of these new Downfall games might fall into that same sort of camp. Accessible, but lots of gameplay strategies to explore.

[@chuckterrell6086]

Thanks for another great video.

[@ZillaBlitz]

My pleasure, fun to make, and thanks!

[@SoloBattles]

I think randomly picking technology cards makes sense, and maybe not just for solitaire. There is a bit of the "everything, everywhere, ASAP," to researching and developing things. So maybe you don't have absolute control.

[@ZillaBlitz]

That'd be a fun variant, for sure. Good idea. :)

[@timd4524]

I can not believe another storage tray. This is insane lol ( in a good way ). Nope. Never ever seen it. Would have loved to for sure. They were always sold separately by most companies, if they even made them. I need to look at these games. I do like the larger counters, and they're even rounded already. I don't clip anything. I just opened " Death in the Trenches " the other day, and found all the counters were rounded also. A bit heavier than " Fall of Empires ", and also my first World War I game. I just haven't seen many WWl games done. These are both interesting games, and I always swing towards games with real boards. Paper maps turn me away. Nice look at. Thanks.

[@ZillaBlitz]

Ha! Maybe it will start a revolution! In 10 years, we'll be like, "Whaaa?!?! Where's the storage tray?!"

[@timd4524]

@@ZillaBlitz I'm hoping 😆

[@timd4524]

@@ZillaBlitzerrata lol: Going through my games earlier, I did realize in the mid 70's SPI included trays in some of theirs games. So long ago I forgot my own games. Other than that, it's unusual.

[@Demy1970]

Good job Zilla

[@ZillaBlitz]

Thank you!

[@thegrogshed]

These games might be a bit light for me but I'm looking forward to seeing you play them.

[@ZillaBlitz]

I'm very curious to see how they play, for sure. It'll be a while, but they are in the queue. :)

[@whovian223]

I know Imperial Struggle came with a storage tray. I'm not sure about other GMT Games. And unfortunately I don't know anything about any other wargame companies.

[@ZillaBlitz]

Yes, apparently it's been done a bunch of times before, and I even have one that has a tray in it. Cool nonetheless, but not the groundbreaking innovation I was thinking it might be. :)

[@SoloBattles]

The map looks great! I'm pretty excited about this game. Is it currently available?

[@ZillaBlitz]

I ... think so? I think they have a US distributor, and I see that you can order from their website in Spain, which might ship through the US? I added a link in the video description to the website page.

[@fpgowner]

You're doing the best unboxings in the in the biz, Mike. Rather than go through the box "blind," you prep for the video. So much more interesting.

[@ZillaBlitz]

Thanks, Mark, for the kind words. :) It's a bit of a fine line, because I don't want to judge the game before playing it, but I really want to provide as much information as possible so that it becomes more than just an overview of components. I'm glad that you find the end result enjoyable. :)

[@danmeehan1390]

The 8 strength German tank depicts a King Tiger (Tiger II)

[@ZillaBlitz]

Nice catch, yes! I think that must be the counter you can use when you develop Advanced Tanks. Fun times. :)

[@RetherfordFam19]

Do your games come from the same developer?

[@ZillaBlitz]

They come from a wide variety, now. There are a lot of wargame producers now, and the hobby seems to be really thriving with the quality that a lot of the up and coming companies are creating.

[@GGdeTOURS37]

We didn't understood it at all after several readings and sold it back. We are used to play expert boardgames but we are not Wargamers. Much too complicated for us. Next game!

[@ZillaBlitz]

Oh, well, maybe the next one, or something a bit simpler! It's good you gave it a shot, though. :)

[@Phalanx11]

Theres Lite, then theres L-i-t-e.....this is l-i-t-e.....

[@lastburning]

That soviet photo is staged and edited.

[@ZillaBlitz]

Makes sense, yes, thanks!