The Disappointment of Starfield

[@Corusame]

Starfield captures the mundanity of real life in a setting that should set the imagination ablaze. Its actually quite the achievement they managed to do that.

[@B.D.E.]

One of the best and most damning comments I've read about the game. It's not just a bad game, it's a fucking insult to all of us.

[@ramagdehz9400]

You nailed it!

[@Chris_KAy]

oh boy i cant wait to come home from my mundane 8/5 to do 8/5 crap in my freetime wuhu!

[@Ocean5ix]

Actually if they captured the fun of mundanity it would’ve been decent. Like for example space trucking or mining in Elite Dangerous was. Probably is Starfield couldn’t even nail the mundane aspect.

[@KorraMea]

How'd u cook the sweet out of the sweet potatoes, Francine? Hmm?

[@fleshbhones]

This game has totally killed my hype for ES 6. If this was allegedly Todd's 25 year passion project, I can only imagine the lack of care that will go into a sequel they feel like they have to make.

[@DonMagixx]

i feel the same with es6. i would be disappointed if they released it in the same state as starfield.

[@analien7337]

Depend too much on modders

[@88heisenberg88]

Wah wah

[@enumaelish9193]

​@@88heisenberg88Zip Mr. Howard's pants up when you're done.

[@anyaabusable9888]

ES6 will be the St Anger of video games.

[@mohawkan423023]

Still can't believe they had the genius idea to showcase the galactic war that formed human society within the lore IN A MUSEUM and were essentially like "See that history-defining event? You just missed it, have fun collecting rocks on barren planets though :)"

[@fish5645]

Yes the factions that do not get a long when they are all soulless, uninteresting faces with different uniforms. Pick a side, or not you can just join them all because at this point even BGS doesn't care.

[@jonypo928]

Never thought about it like that, missed opportunity for sure. It could have just ended up like the Skyrim civil war in space though.

[@MyHazey]

"It belongs in a museum!" _ Dr. Henry "Indiana" Jones

[@agayweirdo5404]

it's a worse version of the bombs dropping in Fallout you never saw it but your constantly reminded of it in the world, characters, enemies literally everything.

[@theitechlab]

@@agayweirdo5404 Fallout had a reason for not showing the bombs dropping though--pretty much every game is set far into the future and that's the setting of each game. It also doesn't make a lot of sense to have the players spend a lot of time in pre-war times, as the game is all about post-fallout times. We also get the Operation Anchorage DLC which kind of goes into the period before the war. But yeah, BGS missed a huge opportunity for Starfield with the Colony War. They could've made it part of the game's overall conflict (like the Skyrim Civil War questline) rather than just throwing it into a museum exhibit in the game.

[@TitanSubZero15]

Starfield's Neon feels like if one of the Disney Park executives saw Cyberpunk 2077's Night City and said: "Yeah, we'll create a section of Adventure Land and make it Cyberpunk."

[@Tuxedo512]

the 3 missions you spend with Jackie are more memorable than every companion in starfield put together.

[@Yeebok]

I'm dreading the end, I sent him to Viktor.

[@MichaeltheORIGINAL1]

Aw, my boy Jackie... Cyberpunk is god damn lightyears better than Starfield. Currently am on my first ultra-modded Cyberpunk playthrough and I rarely ever felt so immersed in a title. I really wanted to like Starfield since I am a huge space/astronomy nerd, but I had to give it up after over 75 hours of patiently waiting for the game to get better. I guess Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous have to continue fulfilling our space needs. Starfield completely lost me when doing the pseudo-wannabe Cyberpunk quest line of Ryiujin Industries. It was so bad that I was visibly angry, turned the game off and haven't started it up ever since.

[@soronprfrbs]

Shit son, I wasn't ready for that to happen to my boy. Rest in Power, you big adorable himbo. What a way to intro the game tho. That's how it's done!

[@Kris-wo4pj]

i think Jackie is my second favorite companion. my first is Parvati. idk why but helping that awkward mess of an asexual romance her hero/crush is adorable esp when ya somehow become the awkward 3rd wheel after basically setting up the date and then dragging her to it.

[@synergygaming65]

The first mission as Corpo meeting with Jackie and then getting ambushed in the club by Arasaka henchmen was more pulse pounding than anything SF had to offer. I understand it's basically Fallout in space and I really enjoyed Fallout, but it's a night and day difference in the mission intensity.

[@nickzukowski4106]

In Starfield entering the club involves enduring a loading screen, in Cyberpunk entering the club Totenanz involves having to share an elevator with a tweaked out Maelstromer whose too high to hit the buttons.

[@Saibellus]

that really was such a huge element of feeling like youre in a living city - the intense vibe change going from the street to a club to a rooftop to some dusty far flung outpost to a gang den. it flowed, it felt alive.

[@GhostofJamesMadison]

Cyberpunk 2.0 is an incredible game, easily the best first person game this year

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

And not to forget the girl which always makes a compliment about your face, when you enter the lizzy wizzy

[@winterwolf343]

F cyberpunk, refunded when it came out, trash game.

[@Ron_Jambo_]

​@@winterwolf343Bro is stuck in 2020

[@burnin8able]

honestly I feel like if they took the whole "parallel universes NG+" mechanic to its logical extreme and made all of the factions mutually exclusive, and allowed you to choose ONE faction to pursue the main story and their faction storylines as an interconnected plot, even if each version was slightly shorter than the current main story by itself, that would make for at least four meaningfully different playthroughs based off just one decision, and actually encourage replayability.

[@snattlerake4417]

But that would mean Bethesda would have to make a game like New Vegas and there's no chance that's happening.

[@burnin8able]

@@snattlerake4417 damn, I didn't even think about how that exact narrative framing device was used in a better written RPG than any bathesda ever wrote, but you're right it is in new vegas.

[@nomadman_84]

Imagine being on the dev team at BGS and trying to give feedback to Todd Howard that they need to rethink their approach but being constantly ignored; "it'll work, people love us, don't worry" ...all whilst playing CP2077 2.0 in secret and rubbing your temples in disbelief. What a life. I think BGS have just used up their last get out of jail free card. If they mess up ES6, they're a finished studio.

[@bchin4005]

Todd said, on the record, Starfield is his "magnum opus." His greatest work... I pity TES fans. They're in for some deep disappointment.

[@nickv1212]

@@bchin4005 He meant to say it's his magnum oops.

[@bchin4005]

@@nickv1212 ah, now it all makes sense

[@botezsimp5808]

​@@nickv1212Massive opps.

[@tonyw6451]

For me, they already messed up, I won't be wating my time with ES6, Fallout 5 or anything else Bethesda hypes up. Shit company, the Walmart of gaming.

[@aaronf4275]

I have more fun listening these audio essays on Starfield and comparing them from different creators - than I actually do playing Starfield 😂 What a fucking shame.

[@gabemissouri]

Same, originally I actually liked the game, but then I started to notice all its glaring issues. I stopped playing altogether after 70 hours. It became way too boring.

[@SirDenzington89]

I’ve watched a lot of them and each time I’m thinking yeah but when it’s on sale I’ll probably get it cause I could probably have some fun then they’ll mention something and I think maybe not. This time it was realizing that the planets in the system don’t move and you can’t get closer or further to them. I just feel like I already have No Man’s Sky and it does everything Starfield doesn’t

[@bchin4005]

Been playing through the Mass Effect trilogy again while watching these reviews and I feel like I'm having the better time of it 😊

[@90lancaster]

They all say pretty much this that "It's Janky, repetitive and Boring, and the Dialogue sucks" & when they finally finished it their reaction is usually "Is that it". Oh and many people complain about the sheet volume of un-killable essential NPCs too. Then they usually end by naming an older games they'd rather play instead and say they have no reason to ever go back to this one.

[@godimready2go]

@@gabemissouriI was similar I actually defended it at release lol… but yea the fresh new game paint fades and you see the reality underneath

[@PhantomHalf]

starfield literally feels like the kidz pop version of mass effect including the kid friendly writing and themes.

[@joe19912]

Right? I can deal with Bethesda's usual jank, but the bland writing and boring characters was unforgivable.

[@gabemissouri]

​​@@joe19912Agreed. The only quest I actually enjoyed in the entire game was the Crimson fleet questline. Mainly because it felt like Delgado and Matthis actually had personalities, unlike most other NPCs in the game.

[@Kevlord22]

@@joe19912 I remember one of the quest designer, not sure who or how up, did a talk panel or something and shared his quest philosophy. "Make it simple, stupid". This was such a shock to me, really? No wonder...

[@richardmcgravyjordan9996]

yeah game comes across as space adventures for kids and you are the hero

[@littlemouse7066]

please don't make any comparison with ME it's like comparing a Ferrari (ME) with a bicycle.

[@fightingfortruth9806]

It gets fun after NG+ 23. 14000 hours in I'm finally beginning to see the brilliance of Starfield. Just be patient.

[@Zumi909]

Why Should I wait to enjoy it starfield is trash cyberpunk beats it in every category stop riding Bethesda and it's terrible engine and game design

[@MrDrManPerson]

​@Zumi909 I can't tell if you're joking or just this cringe.

[@Zumi909]

@@MrDrManPerson are you mad I made fun of a outdated shit game

[@Zumi909]

@@MrDrManPerson cringe Bethesda fan defender

[@zen.7843]

Wow you guys really can't detect sarcasm ^^^

[@TheTIGSY]

Shortly after starting starfield I was excited to explore the planets I was on, thinking to myself "it's a bethesda game, if I go explore this planet instead of going to the quest marker they gave me i'll be rewarded with atleast something to do right?" After reaching my first poi that was just a bunch of flowers, I was like "huh this is...pointless but the next one just over the cliff will be interesting right?" only to discover it was literally the exact same set of flowers in the exact same positions...I uninstalled the game seconds later

[@Zvrra]

lmfaoo just a bunch of flowers

[@meenajag3319]

When I tried playing it I got a horrifying feeling that I was alone in this boring thing that bathesda created. I did not feel adventurous at all, it felt very empty and repetitive to me.

[@sunbleachedangel]

I hope you refunded it

[@TheTIGSY]

@@sunbleachedangel Played it on gamepass wasn't ever gonna spend money on it 🤣

[@datdudeinred]

And got a refund?

[@Trench_j]

The only fun I had in starfield was giving myself unlimited money and building cool ships but that quickly dries up once you realize you can’t do anything with said ships

[@SOV_Gambit]

Fly them Dog fight Board spaceships Land on planets Hold a crew Walk around inside and see the interior of amazing creation you made. Mine asteroids Scan planets Etc

[@billjacobs521]

@@SOV_Gambit Jesus you're boring. "Walk around?" Really?

[@SOV_Gambit]

@billjacobs521 yes, walk around in the spaceship you just created, launch into space, check out the view. Pretty incredible. I'm boring and you are another entitled gamer that doesn't know what they have. Each to thier own, I'm definitely not bored with the ship builder...

[@paulw5039]

@@SOV_Gambit Yes, Starfield was made for people like you. Shame they couldn't have made it fun and engaging instead.

[@whyiwakeup6460]

⁠@@SOV_Gambityes, walk around, look into the bland, white walls with good detailing, yes, but other than that what? Did you pay 70$ to walk around virtual spaceships with nonsensical routes? This is like talking about Tears of the Kingdom critically and only discussing the art of the food items and pots, despite a game being around it. Also, nice “etc” because you literally can’t do anything else with ships other than what you listed.

[@andrewrymell1]

What a great take on this game. I just finished Cyberpunk, my first play through. I'd avoided after the launch fiasco, but I was blown away by the game, especially how alive Night City was. Then I fired up Starfield, and in less than a week, I was playing a new background/build in Cyberpunk again. I have zero intention of returning to Starfield, everything just feels so outdated and the interaction with NPC's are so stilted.

[@RJBeee91]

I had a similar experience to you. I played Cyberpunk on release and enjoyed it, but struggled with a lot of bugs and lack of content. Played Starfield and was instantly bored. Went back to Cyberpunk with the new DLC and the massive 2.0 update and the game is just night and day better than starfield.

[@G33KSPALACEdotCOM]

Cyberpunk was NOT just a technically broken game at launch, it was fundamentally lacking in nearly every aspect of its' gameplay loop outside of the main story. Very few side missions had anything interesting to offer, there was little to do in the open world outside of the main story and the gameworld itself just felt.... Dead. Cyberpunk now, is vastly improved. But to say it was just technically broken at launch is a lie. It was an unfinished game in every sense of the word.

[@Daddyo145]

Hot off the heels of Baldur's Gate 3 I jumped into Starfield, and the difference in writing and conversation quality hit me like a truck. I had that sinking feeling in my gut, and sure enough it never got better, it in fact only got worse as the game progressed. I have never skipped this much dialogue in a game before.

[@hammerofscience534]

I don't think it really matters I would be surprised if any choice changes anything.

[@Deadsnake989]

I came off Armored Core 6. The characters in that game are 100x better and you literally only see 2 of them as a sketch if you hardcore secret hunt. Also the combat is worlds better in ways that just can't be described.

[@kamurotetsu4860]

They really need to hire better writers at this point, the, lack of, quality has been the same since Oblivion. That was 17 years ago.

[@slashrocks19801]

Baldur's Gate 3 every choice was pretty profound how it impacted the story in Starfield the choice literally don't matter...

[@MikeTheD]

Kinda like the games that came out around Elden Ring. Lots of cope because it was so glaring. Gamers can sense if a game is sterile, and it can even be a decent game.

[@lordspaz88]

Cyberpunk's launch was atrocious, but the things that where wrong with it where mechanical problems. Most of them have been completely patched out or overhauled to get to the point they are now. Starfield was a functioning game at its launch, but the problems it has are issues with its core design philosophy. Those can't get patched out.

[@ggoose11224]

Exactly. Under all the bugs, cyberpunk still had a great story, gameplay loop, and world to explore. No matter how many bug fixes and quality of life changes they make to Starfield, they will never be able to patch out the hollow and boring gameplay loop. Even ground vehicles wouldn't be able to override the sheer terribleness of loading screen after loading screen and boring quest design.

[@Varangian_af_Scaniae]

Cyberpunk was and still is trash compared to what we were promised. This terrible game at least didn't overhype aspect that were cut because they were to incompetent to handle it.

[@Ornithopter470]

​@@Varangian_af_Scaniaewhile i certainly agree with you about Cyberpunk, the part of the game i want is skipped over in a cutscene. But i can acknowledge that the game game we got has a decent story, a decent gameplay loop, and an environment that feels like it's lived in. Starfield lacks that.

[@planescaped]

@@Varangian_af_Scaniae One could say the same thing about Fable. Or No Man's Sky. Except that would be dumb, kinda like what you said. >__> And OP hits the nail on the end. Starfield is fundamentally mediocre, and only copious modding could ever hope to redeem it. Question is if it will ever see the level of mod scene that is going to be needed to get to that point.

[@Ar17778]

@@Varangian_af_Scaniae bros still furious his ps4 couldn’t run it😭😭

[@SuperSecretSunshine]

I really don't understand how someone can be made to wait through hundreds of loading screen just to run through empty, Ai generated sandboxes, and still call this a "decent" game. Like, where have all the standards gone? We need a new industry crash.

[@acuyra]

Good video. One thing I've been noticing a lot in my recent playthrough of Cyberpunk was just how much Night City feels like an actual place that people live in. There are NPCs just walking the street, but then you go into the alleys and you see construction workers discussing projects, kids playing around, some dude spazzing out from an overdose, people hanging out and watching some tv, et cetera. You can't go into every building, but the ones you can are constructed like real buildings - everything is where you'd expect it to be, everything is properly placed, they feel like real spaces. I'm sure there are some patterns and cookie-cutter structures, but it's hard for me to tell, even though I've sunk hundreds of hours in the game. It's an insane level of detail, and it makes Night City feel alive in a way that few games even come close to.

[@vincer7824]

Agreed. Sometimes watching people tweak out, crying somewhere or stumble around drunk and vomiting is actually sad. Just from watching NPC’s in a fictional world you can actually get a sense of desperation and dysfunction, like Night City is eating them alive. You don’t get that feeling of “reality” on any of Starfields 1,000 planets, ever. Just cheap robots from 90’s Epcot, reciting their lines while others walk by staring at me like a ghoul.

[@beige_projection]

Yep, the design of the city seems really purposeful too, it feels like they hired an actual urban designer to design the city. The overpasses, buildings, stalls, etc, don't feel like they were just randomly placed in places just to fill out the city. Also, even the ncpd scanner hustles, which are the smallest type of content in the game, beats out any procedurally generated content Starfield has because the ncpd scanner hustles have background story to them which you'll find out if you read the shards that can be found in them and also examine the scene.

[@joe19912]

​@@vincer7824Yes! The game felt very much like a cheesy Disney ride. No adult themes, no gore, no real consequences, NPCs like talking mannequins. Compare Neon city to Night city, just Laughable.

[@26MECH]

All faaacts

[@KickinRadTopHat]

I wish CDPR had more time to really lean into some GTA style life sim stuff to maximize immersion (luckily mods exist) but even still Night City is hands down one of the most believable cities I’ve ever seen in a game. Very few open world games will have me traveling at walking speed between objectives or driving like a normal person just so I can take in the atmosphere, but Night City always gets me wanting to take it slow.

[@sidefack]

Starfield had a great idea with the option to choose your characters backstory. Then they decided to make you a miner for the opening scene making the player have to bend over backwards in their minds to justify the career change.

[@derickbowne8633]

Just... wow... they couldn't even create a proper beginning to the game before fucking up the roleplaying in this supposed RPG 🤦‍♂️

[@mememaster695]

There is a popular Skyrim mod that lets you choose a backstory for your character and then starts you with some gear and in a location that fits that backstory. If a Skyrim modder could do it years ago, how the hell can't Bethesda do it now?

[@derickbowne8633]

@@mememaster695 I'm personally convinced Bethesda makes RPGs for people that hate RPGs

[@Grapefruit5000]

​@@derickbowne8633yea, they make "RPGs" for the large casual crowd that doesn't ever want to use their brain during playing.

[@johnholland5419]

The backstories also don't interact. You can be a freestar settler, a Va'ruun faithful, and if you pick to have living parents, you're also from the UC. Meaning you're somehow from every major faction at the same time

[@SolarFlareAmerica]

watching people get sick of the slop is long overdue and extremely gratifying.

[@redguy678]

That part where it goes to the club in Neon and the dancers are going "Come on people, drink some Aurora and get crazyy!" before it pans to a completely dead dance floor had me dying. Kinda sums up what I didn't like about this game, zero effort put into making it feel like a real place instead of a video game. Meanwhile Skyrim had like a hundred books you could read and tons of little details that brought the world to life

[@rxdcrxwn]

I always look for character customization in games, whether it's the character's face, outfit, or vehicles. Immersing in the universe feels more complete with appropriate clothing. Imagine my disappointment when I found out that Starfield's outfitting system went back to FO3/NV era where you can only equip helmets and overalls instead of being able to equip modular clothing pieces like Skyrim, Fallout 4, or even Fallout 76. Sure you can customize your ship to your heart's content, but most of the time you won't see your ship, especially when you're dealing with other NPCs.

[@UncomfortableShoes]

That really sucked for me too. No cool pants, boots, shirts. Just an outfit, can’t change color. Bleh

[@frostreaper1607]

F4 clothing system isn't modular, you had 'body armor' 'eyewear' and 'hat' and that was it, so I'm not sure what people where expecting. Making different armor pieces to have people mix and match is a lot of work so Beth threw that concept in the trash after Skyrim.

[@mrselfridge8303]

​@@UncomfortableShoesfr cant even look cool in starfield

[@kilgoretrout6810]

David Braben figured out how to do this right 30 years ago in Frontier: Elite 2. He built the core systems by hand and then filled out the peripheral systems and the rest of the galaxy procedurally. How is that not obvious to the devs of this game?

[@4g1vn]

You nailed it! “exhausting” that’s how I felt about 80hours in and I just wanted it to end…

[@daveken9936]

Another lazy guy. You see from comments you are in the very small minority.

[@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth]

*Bathesda COULD have made the procedural generation work... had they been like 30% smarter:* 1. _Create all the usual handmade locations for players to discover._ 2. _Integrate these handmade encounters into the procedural generation, so the player can encounter them on pretty much any world._ 3. _For setting-specific encounters, create an internal checklist system to ensure they only spawn on planets where they make sense._ 4. _Create a system that monitors what the player has encountered. Once they've seen an encounter, it gets removed from future generation._ 5. _Instead of 1000 useless planets, have the game generate enough to ensure by the time the player has encountered all the content prepared for them, they've also run out of planets to explore._ This system would allow for an endless variety in experience, while ensuring those experiences remain tailored and interesting. One player encounters an illegal smuggling ring on a swamp planet, another find the same ring on an ice planet. Both feel like they've encountered something completely unique to their game while ALSO getting to experience a fun side quest.

[@Kolljak]

Starfield is like having a thousand pots of soup that all taste like water, while Skyrim was one pot of soup with flavor to the extent you would expect ones clothes to explode off like a cooking anime from Japan.

[@koraegi]

Skyrim was as wide as ocean but as deep as a puddle But man starfield is multiple dried up puddles

[@diavolo1326]

@@koraegiSkyrim has its flaws for sure. It has nowhere near the depth of Oblivion and is a galaxy away from Morrowind’s depth. However, at least i can boot up Skyrim after the many playthroughs i’ve had and still have fun RPing and exploring the world while doing some fun (not particularly well written) quests along the way. Starfield just doesn’t have that, every time i boot up the game i just feel bored after 15 minutes. Coming from someone who put in 150 hours at launch btw

[@dorkydragon5055]

Skyrim more like a lovely bowl of glorified ramen. Very much comfort food not necessarily good for you but easy to eat on a bad day and just enough protein n plant dlc with mods to make it as spicy as you like.

[@ofekmizrahi3079]

​@@koraegiskyrim is far from perfect but at the time it was quite innovative and very special, Bethesda innovated alot in the open world rpgs its sad to see how they are doing now

[@tonyw6451]

I think you meant to say Oblivion, because Skyrim was just a cash grab based on obilivion's success. Play Oblivion, just don't buy it and give these greedy fucks any more money.

[@christopherlewis6915]

Which is why it wasn't nominated for Game of the year😂. Quality Gaming has won

[@parkerburrus289]

Nah its Playstation bias

[@AncestorEmpire1]

Lmao

[@CowboyKing]

​@@parkerburrus289no, it's not. The game just isn't great. Deal with it.

[@tetchedskate3366]

@@CowboyKingto many MANY people, it is great. This your first time learning what an opinion is?

[@kroganshepard6594]

​​@@tetchedskate3366and to MANY, MANY people, the game is disappointing. The existence of opinions does not render criticism worthless.

[@BryanOrion-m5i]

Starfield is a culmination of all the problems that Bethesda refuses to fix, while removing everything that makes their games enjoyable. I have never seen a developer so unbelievably out of touch...it's just embarrassing.

[@MikeTheD]

Wonder if there was any Bethesda devs who realized, "Wow, this doesn't have the cool wandering around exploration that all our games had." Maybe it was too late by the time they realized it. They HAD to know, and what a mistake.

[@ZorotheGallade]

Bethesda devs don't communicate. Each team proabably thought that the free roaming parts were being made by another.

[@FakeAnarchist]

I made a huge mistake buying Starfield over Baldur's Gate 3, I 've only been to Mars after leaving New Atlantis and checked out mentally when real life stuff came up for me and there's nothing there that will compel me to come back to it. BG3 I bet would be a story that makes me want to come back to see to completion.

[@darrenfleming7901]

When you think about it, probably the most detrimental thing to open world games a genre is the little number you see counting down the distance before you reach something. In every single game that has that little counter, your entire field of view shrinks down to watching that number go down and any form of exploration is reduced into waiting for you to reach tour destination. So it has to be the most harmful thing you can put in your game. If you’re gonna guide tour players on where to explore, give them a direction rather than a distance. That’s what the best good open worlds do, because that way you don’t know how far you’re going and you still have the possibility of discovering other stuff as you go. Without that, why even include an open world if your game is gonna be fixed locations separated by empty scenic space.

[@Zh_eka]

Thank you for that Cyberpunk gameplay in the beginning of Part 2. Couldn't handle more Starfield gray at that point.

[@K3vinGross]

Cp2077 is really meh next to Starfield. Only good Points for CP are: Better graphics and better City. Thats It. Before 2.0 IT was really great and i Had No Others Games to Play. After 2.0 hello Starfield

[@Zh_eka]

@@K3vinGross it's cool if you like starfield. I just can't enjoy it. Put 10 hours into it and moved on.

[@shinjenriz]

@@K3vinGrosswhat’s the issue with the 2.0 update for Cyberpunk? Genuinely curious

[@GothGfGG]

@@K3vinGross”cyberpunk is meh compared to starfield” is the most cope comment I’ve ever read in my life. As a fan of Bethesda games myself, this is just cope of the highest regard. Starfield is mediocre at best. I played 140 hours non stop at launch, jumped into cyberpunk and 300 hours later I’m making a new character to try a different build. I think about playing cyberpunk all the time. I can’t say I’ve thought about returning to starfield.

[@K3vinGross]

@@GothGfGG hahah 300h 😂 Bro i played cyberpunk 1.5 years every day for more than 3h per day. After 2.0 IT IS a big Dog Shit.

[@ivanmcbleedy1397]

I used to think that the expression "bored to tears" was just a figure of speech and that no one had ever actually shed tears due to boredom. Then I played Starfield...

[@RealKeetz]

Here's a tissue, buddy. Playing BG3 right now, so... 😅

[@anr1593]

Comprehensive review, thanks. I feel like CP2077 has tried to enable the player to have fun while Starfield inexplicably tries to prevent the player from having fun.

[@jspotter89]

The reason for that is because at every turn, Starfield wastes your time. And not in the accidental "we didn't think this through" sort of way. It actively WANTS to waste your time. I can think of no other reason than that for design choices like giving vendors a pathetically small pool of money and making the player sit and wait (which is ACTUAL waiting!) for them to replenish. And that's just one example. They're everywhere. My guess is Todd and the boys pitched Xbox/Microsoft on being able to get hundreds and hundreds of hours out of players over a five year cycle, but that's speculation. As if hours played is a metric on how good a game is.

[@rimok.2765]

God Cyberpunk ended up being so good. It's at the level where I'm jealous of people who get to play it from the beginning for the first time.

[@momerathsoutgabe-mt1gc]

It's funny how no video games have ever had a full, convincing earth, each area filled to the same extent that the rdr2 map is, and yet Bethesda thought they could make a good game with a thousand planets... The state of the video AAA game industry is just an absolute mess.

[@VioletElite4]

That Cyberpunk montage you added when discussing gameplay made me wanna play that game again more lol

[@FlyingTeacup]

the best gameplay elements in starfield were the weightless/anti-gravity areas like the casino and 2 other locations... that derelict ship was great, a little environmental puzzle where gravity was going on and off every 30 seconds. But literally 2 or 3 locations in a thousand worlds is so bad. And the mantis quest was like the only proper side adventure. Together with the faction quests that's pretty much every interesting thing to do in the entire game.

[@adamjames8854]

It boggles my mind that with as much as tech has advanced in the last decade, it almost feels like game development as a whole has actually DEVOLVED and it's fucking depressing

[@DDxRaptor]

I don't say this often about stuff I watch on YT, but your video is just brilliant. Very good flow, not too long or too short, perfect comparison to CP77. The one thing I've missed though would've been a quick comparison to Star Citizen in terms of space flight, spaceships, and exploring planets. I've enjoyed Starfield when it was first released, I liked the introductary pacing and that the game can draw you in and you can spend a lot of time doing side quests. Funny enough, I've never touched the main questline when it was dooming on me that I'd be playing as yet another chosen one-character. I already disliked that approach in Fallout 4, although that game was way more fleshed out (despite the game-breaking bugs and poor PC performance at launch). Imho, the worst thing about Starfield is not the ambition behind it to build a huge space game, but that Bethesda prioritized quantity over quality. You've made a really good point that in the end, Starfield is just plain and boring and just doesn't deliver on their promises. Although this can be said about a lot of modern games, it doesn't make it better. After at least 3 months of not playing this game at all, I have yet to return to it, but I probably won't for the forseeable future. If I want a faster-paced, well thought-out and high quality action-rpg-shooter, I'm gonna play Cyberpunk 2077 again. If I want to explore space, fly around or just do whatever I want in a sandbox game, I'm gonna play Star Citizen. Both of these games are also a lot more enjoyable than Starfield will ever be - even if I'd count in mods.

[@gleantxra]

I would much prefer a game with 2 or 3 planets with actual content on it. Rich, deep content. I liked Starfield, but i whish i loved it.

[@PAlexi-iy7xj]

As an AI language model, I don't hold personal opinions or emotions. However, I can provide an analysis of why some people may consider Starfield as a disappointment based on general sentiments and criticisms that have been expressed. 1. High expectations: Starfield, being Bethesda Game Studios' first original IP in decades, generated a lot of excitement and anticipation among fans of the studio's previous titles like The Elder Scrolls and Fallout series. With such high expectations, any divergence from what fans envisioned could lead to disappointment. 2. Lack of information: Bethesda has been relatively tight-lipped about Starfield, revealing minimal details about the game during its announcements. This secrecy has left fans speculating and building their own visions of what the game will be like. The lack of substantial information can lead to disappointment if the final product does not align with these assumptions. 3. Technical issues: Bethesda Game Studios has faced criticisms in the past for releasing games with notable technical issues, especially at launch. Fallout 76, their previous major release, had a problematic launch which greatly affected player reception. Given this history, some individuals might be skeptical about the quality and stability of Starfield. 4. Genre fatigue: With the abundance of space-themed games in recent years, such as No Man's Sky, Elite Dangerous, and Outer Wilds, some people might feel fatigued by the space exploration genre. If Starfield fails to bring fresh and innovative ideas to the table, it could be seen as a missed opportunity and a disappointment. 5. Unrealistic expectations: In some cases, disappointment is caused by expecting a game to be a flawless masterpiece or the pinnacle of gaming. Unrealistic expectations can lead to disappointment regardless of the quality of the final product. It's important to note that these are general reasons why some people may feel disappointed with Starfield, but experiences and opinions on games can vary greatly from person to person. Ultimately, whether Starfield is a disappointment or not will be subjective and dependent on each player's individual expectations and preferences. Certainly! Here are a few more potential reasons why some individuals might consider Starfield a disappointment: 6. Lack of innovation: With the gaming industry constantly pushing boundaries and introducing new gameplay mechanics and technologies, there is an expectation for each new game to bring something fresh and innovative to the table. If Starfield fails to introduce significant new features or gameplay elements, it could be seen as a missed opportunity and a disappointment in comparison to other groundbreaking titles. 7. Unrealized potential: If Starfield was hyped up to be a game that would revolutionize the space exploration genre or provide a unique, immersive experience, some players might feel let down if it doesn't live up to these grand promises. Unrealized potential can lead to a sense of disappointment and frustration. 8. Writing and storytelling: Bethesda Game Studios' previous games, such as The Elder Scrolls and Fallout series, are known for their rich and immersive storytelling. If Starfield's writing or narrative fail to reach the same level of quality, it might be considered a letdown by fans who expected a captivating and engaging story. 9. Technical limitations: When expectations are set high, fans may anticipate cutting-edge graphics, flawless performance, and smooth gameplay mechanics. If Starfield falls short in any of these technical aspects, it could lead to disappointment, especially if players encounter bugs, glitches, or performance issues that hinder their overall experience. 10. Divergence from previous titles: Bethesda Game Studios has a loyal fanbase that appreciates their unique style and design choices. If Starfield deviates too much from the formula that made previous games successful, it may alienate some fans who were hoping for a similar experience. This disconnect can result in disappointment among those expecting a certain aesthetic or gameplay elements. It's important to remember that these reasons are speculative and represent potential viewpoints. Ultimately, the interpretation and perception of Starfield as a disappointment or success will depend on individual perspectives and experiences.

[@Deathsyth-ks8uz]

Beautiful

[@cgrooney9945]

Mario odyssey had more unique worlds and exploration then Starfield lol

[@1977Yakko]

If nothing else, Starfield helped me appreciate CP2077 way more, especially with the 2.0 update and Phantom Liberty expansion. It took a while but CP2077 really stepped up. Maybe in a few years, Starfield will be equally improved. I have about 150 hours into Starfield and I have completed the main mission plus the Freestar Collecting, United Colonies and Crimson Fleet story and I tried the NG+ aspect but I got bored, FAST. I'll come back when the game gets a serious update or some mods fix the game for Bethesda.

[@Mesjasz]

I don't think it will. CDPR admitted they fucked up, and tried really hard to get back the fans respect. Don't see Todd doing anything similar 😂

[@ftghb]

cyberpunk was broken, buggy and unfinished. but the concepts, story and gameplay were not halfbaked. It was fun, as long as you could get it running half decent. Starfield is more polished by comparison, but it started as boring.

[@talus9663]

CDPR had a compelling narrative which helps. You can’t fix that in Starfield.

[@BilliamTorpedo]

The part where you had to go to the pirates base and clean house during the opening was when i knew the game wasnt for me. The guy i hadnt even gotten to start role-playing as yet is already going against what he would do, hunting down the dudes that tried to kill him before he just left the area. No option to negotiate, even if it had a 0% chance of success. Just killing. Good ol bethesda.

[@karen.johana]

great review. starfield has always felt lacking to me. this was very detailed and the CP2077 comparisons are valid. I also compared it a lot to that and to BG3.

[@MrFlyingLamma]

A friend of mine that started this game is the completionist type, and I knew for him going in that he would probably do a little bit of exploration then get on with the main quest. Its been a few months now and in that time hes basically only done the stupid point of interest stuff, mindlessly walking around barren planets, barely gotten into the second main quest mission, and ONLY THEN did his game bug out, making the main quest uncompletable. It took the game literally bricking itself for him to realize he was wasting his time. Like I really dont know what he got out of the game other than ROTE skinner box type dopamine for walking to crystal deposits and clicking on them.

[@karthikkumar6861]

😂

[@ItsTheEternities]

I still remember the day I stopped playing starfield. I was in a gunfight and got bored after killing countless minions. I decided to abandon the gun fight all together and go do something else. Then it hit me...there's nothing else to do. I haven't turned the game back on since. Edit- I do want to thank starfield though because I got star citizen after I quit starfield and wow...it's exactly what I thought starfield would be.

[@NikkoNikko98]

I’ve been playing this game again after a long break this past week & yeah I’ve been realizing that this game was just too ambitious for its own good, I really wish they would’ve just made like 10-20 hand crafted planets that had much more care & attention to detail used in them compared to this very repetitive copy paste feeling “exploration” Starfield offers, apart from following main or side quests it’s been hard for me to find really engaging things to do, before this I had never played a bsg before so will this eventually get better or are we stuck with it like this? Will they update it eventually or?

[@NikkoNikko98]

Also, never thought I’d see the day where Cyberpunk is used as a GOOD example of what to do with your game, love the turnaround that game has had 🤣🤙🏼

[@merksmovies25]

@@NikkoNikko98watch starfield be that turnaround in a year. Games are released half complete

[@mathers000]

@@merksmovies25 it's not common for bethesda to do anything about a game aside from DLCs/expansions, it's unlikely it'll get much attention outside of that apart from bugfixes

[@_CrimsonBlade]

At least is wasnt as horrible as cybershit 2077

[@Axonteer]

It just cane out how can you have a long break? A long break from a game is at least half a year 😅

[@MuchKoku]

Perfect example of several great ideas blended together with twice as many bad ones. It's like ordering a bowl of Kung Pao Chicken with vegetables, only to get home to find a few pieces of chicken buried underneath a mountain of veggies. Yes, it's technically Kung Pao Chicken, but you've clearly been bamboozled.

[@bearb1asting]

Man, I am sorry you were excited, and I hope it was a learning experience. It's my hope that in the next few years, we can change the gaming industry for all of us.

[@krosec]

Well... honestly after 1 hour and 22 minutes of video, my take is: I should give cyberpunk another chance.

[@TheRiverweasel09]

23:07 - 25:00 looked immearsuably more fun than all of Starfield's combat combined. Now I want to go back and give Cyberpunk a second try.

[@strahljd]

You absolutely should, it's phenomenal. The disaster surrounding its launch feels like a strange fever dream that never even happened.

[@PampersNorway]

Try it now in a new save. Publisert transport is fixed and it really feels fun, fresh, dense and that the city is kinda alive

[@TheRiverweasel09]

I'll give it a go soon, but I very recently got a brand new computer and can play Witcher 3 for the first time in top line graphics and I'm loving it.

[@giomjava]

Wait until they add the new metro system 👌 then GO GO GO

[@PampersNorway]

​@@giomjava it has droped

[@dumoneyyy]

The long man would be proud

[@wingedassassin9999]

For the long man, those are rookie numbers

[@AniGaAG]

"Well, it's a Bethesda game." "Well, it's an MMO." The two most commonly used excuses for subpar game quality in this entire industry.

[@KingSystemUK]

Amusing about the melee mechanics because that was my experience discovering the lack of gameplay features not even 5 minutes after you get your ship, I chose the ronin build too the class the game literally has pre made to play as a stealth samurai melee character

[@wonderflounium]

If your environment is randomly generated, it needs randomly generated content to fill it, or else you will have the same things repeated as you see here. Randomly generated factions, quests, and events would have been a boon to the game.

[@spiderjeranimo4992]

Because Todd....Todd never changes.

[@AC-hj9tv]

Lolool

[@YeOldeMachine]

Starting another Cyberpunk playthrough just so I can see that nightclub scene in phantom liberty again. That scene is so heavy. Some of the best stuff gaming has to offer.

[@vazaruspaytonas7017]

Why do you have to start another playthrough to relive a part of the game? You didn't have a save before the scene you can just reload to play that part? Y'all be killing me man.

[@damienjohnson3450]

@@vazaruspaytonas7017 What if the parts of the game I want to relive is all of them?

[@Metaphix]

I realized as I was playing that I'd much, much rather be playing Fallout 4. The companions are wayyy better, the world building is better, the setting is better (even though it shouldn't be, it's Sci Fi FFS it's the best setting ever). So disappointing. I just hope now that they realize that their formula in TES and Fallout has some really incredible things about it that gamers adore, that they don't necessarily have to reinvent the whole wheel. But at the center of what makes their games special is worlds packed full of handcrafted, immersive detail. Without that pillar, their formula collapses.

[@ElectroBooze]

I played a lot of FO4. I also decided to play a lot of FO4 VR. You have to mod the game. Accuracy is determined by your skill in the weapon. Which is fine for flatscreen play. In VR, you have use of your sights as you would IRL. Which should tell you that it now is determined by how well you can line up the sight and keep it on target. Nope! It is still determined by your skill in the weapon. Which means you can be 5 feet away and aimed centermass and whiff your shot due to it being weapon skill based as opposed to how good your ability to handle lining up sights and staying on target. If you’re bad at that, then the weapon based skill system will ensure you never hit anything. It was a simple change that left the skill in hitting with weapons solely on your personal, real world skill; which goes a long way toward immersion in VR. They just ported the game as is to work with the headset you use with no other changes and relied on modders to fix it. Bethesda has long since given up on making logical and engaging systems, instead preferring to focus on the aesthetic and barebones requirement for a game. Making way for modders to put in the heavy lifting to make the engaging nature of what you’d expect from a game a reality. It’s sad.

[@TheBestDayEver3]

Long time no see brother man

[@TheFlowersOfNaivety]

As a fan of Bethesda games for 30 years Starfield never appealed to me. It looks incredibly generic; the concept art looked like low-effort stuff from Deviantart and when it finally came out I was right about everything. The sounds, the sights, the animations, the jank... Nothing has been improved upon from the past Beth games. The gameplay looks more boring than Fallout 4 which I didn't think was possible. With each new game I realize more and more how much I love Morrowind and how far Bethesda has fallen.

[@persona2grata]

I've been playing RPG games for most of my life, but I've grown sour on the industry. For me the state of the field is exemplified by how industry leaders downplayed BG3 for abandoning the formula they have embraced in games like Starfield. It feels like every game these days is the same: beautiful to look at, exploitative as it tries to force you to stay "engaged", bland in a corporate HR way with respect to plot, and increasingly filled with heavily integrated microtransactions. In many respects it reminds me of the state of the film industry, where every project is enormously expensive which makes it so high risk from an investment perspective that it forces companies to make production choices as safe as possible to satisfy investors. Experimentation in new gameplay design or intentionally challenging story is nearly impossible in that environment, so what we get over and over are great looking games with misleading trailers that imply gameplay that will never actually exist. I fear that the days of the Mass Effect trilogy, Fallout 3 and New Vegas, and Witcher are ever more firmly in the rear view mirror, although a part of me can't help hoping that the success of games like BG3 will inspire positive change.

[@robintst]

**Starfield releases** "And the crowd goes mild."

[@josephgalvez5048]

What broke the wonder and immersion for me was all the open-air campsites I kept finding on every inhospitable world I landed on. Why are there just cots, sleeping bags, desks and food items just scattered everywhere in places no human would ever have such things? Are the people of this game’s universe the absolutely worst litterbugs, or is it just bad implementation of a procedural generation system? I would gladly trade 100 systems with procedurally generated nonsense planets for a dozen well crafted star systems and worlds to visit. I hoped Starfield would be Skyrim-in-Space, but it isn’t, and it breaks my heart.

[@peamut547]

Shoutout to Spacebourne 2. It has even worse planet exploration than Starfield but its immersion in space is amazing, and there’s barely any loading screen shuffling! Somehow a solo dev created a deeper system than Bethesda, and that’s the real scary bit.

[@Rob_Kankerboef]

Bethesda basically made the most hated parts of Mass Effect 1 into a full game

[@crackersphdinwumbology2831]

You know, when the defacto slogan for Skyrim became "wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle" I didn't think they'd go for "wide as a puddle, deep as a puddle" in their first new IP. Very techy, very sci fi of you Bethesda

[@sonofkabisch]

Fixed camera dialogue was outdated twenty years ago. Fallout 4 actually made a smart move by streamlining it as much as possible.

[@chuck11duck64]

This game would have been ten times better if we played during the Colony Wars. Like imagine what could have happened. They really missed the mark

[@Bussin.B]

I sold my PS5 about a month or two ago now and got a PC. I was so excited to play this game. Got one month of gamepass just to get this game (and other games of course but mainly for Starfield.) Long story short, I was very disappointed in it. Your video explains how I feel about this game to the T.

[@SHADOSTRYKR]

Starfields immersion broke for me when I started searching for the ancient Temples, structures untouched for millennia and whose location and existence is a mystery undiscovered yet by humanity. I land to look for one, it’s within 100 feet of the landing zone, and within view of a farm, a pirate den, and another ship landing.

[@rodafowa1279]

How about joining a group dedicated to exploring the universe, only to find out they've actually done no exploring and know almost nothing about the universe? Constellation has been around for decades when you join, mind you.

[@Velticus]

Same "Were the first humans there likely ever" literal pirate base there

[@the_mad_fool]

@@rodafowa1279 You also don't see them do any science on anything, ever. You'd think they'd run literally any experiments on, you know, literally anything, but instead they just sit uselessly in the clubhouse while throwing out baseless theories without any plan to actually test them.

[@MikeTheD]

Lol it's funny really. Jokes

[@Da_W1ck]

Rather than introducing the player to useless Constellation that knows nothing. I think it would be better if we are the one that make the 1st contact with an artifact accidentally during one of our expedition as a scientist. Then we decide to explore it and research it our self. Then come in a whole new research mechanics that's look like a talent tree or something, that we can invest a point to augment our abilities. But later on we learned that these artifacts have the an abilities to traverse time. And later we encounter a different entities/race/alien the artifact origin from which they used for their own agenda that may destroy the universe, and we need to stop them. Or to make it even further interesting, we can get into multiverse which the artifact was originated. The artifact was actually a bad entities kinda lika chaos in 40K. Then we actually encountered our self from different universe that actually evil version or possessed by the artifact or something. 😂

[@Erakelus]

Starfield's melee system should be officially known as The Bethesda Melee System, since it seems like they've been using it in every RPG game, since TES Arena.

[@SobeCrunkMonster]

im on your side about criticizing bethesda but youre just completely wrong, its been a similar system since Oblivion, and even Oblivion had more depth to the melee progression. We need to be accurate with our criticisms to be taken seriously by the powers that be otherwise they have every reason in the world to ignore criticisms.

[@kitt5208]

Bethesda games are honestly glorified walking sims when you think about it. No real decisions or different outcomes, it's just reading lore and conversations and selecting dialogue that ultimately does nothing. And the gameplay elements like combat are as simple as the most basic form of attack on any other game. The swing and hit. The bare bones mechanic that most games would IMMEDIATELY follow up with ANOTHER kind of attack in the tutorial level. I really never liked Bethesda games. Some of their worlds are mildly interesting but damn are their games the most overrated, boring walking simulators I've ever played

[@zebatov]

Combat in Oblivion was a little better than the rest of their games because you actually get stunned if your opponent blocks. These games would be 1,000x better if they had co-op, so you could run around with a friend. 100% the reason they’re boring sometimes is because of the lack of co-op. They even added followers in Oblivion and Skyrim - NPCs that could easily be replaced by your friend if Bethesda had any idea what they were doing. Been calling for co-op in these games since before Oblivion. Maybe one day it’ll happen for us on console.

[@fletcher371]

It's worse, it has regressed. TES Arena had directional swings that interacted differently.

[@Kazillion-Jillionaire]

​@@kitt5208 morrowind 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@fr0ntend]

Elder scrolls 6 is gonna be trash and people will still be surprised :)

[@Falas5898]

Exactly!

[@kaydee66781]

That’s Bethesda/Todd fans for you.

[@alcompski]

I don't think so. Elder scrolls will be one map/world, not 100 galaxies with no too little poi. I will say it will, though it will be fixed by modders lol.

[@madmantheepic7278]

I dont think modders will care enough to switch over tbh, its been like 10 years since skyrim, imagine modders having to redo everything they’ve done so far… it will take 10 more years to fix ES6

[@Auesis]

The part about Very Hard ship combat speaks to me so much. I was adamant to stay on Very Hard but when I got to that Crimson Fleet mission I died *literally* instantly after the dialogue ended and the combat started, dozens of times, with the best upgrades in the game at the time. I didn't even have time to accelerate before exploding. It was the most obviously untested piece of content I've seen in a "complete" game in ages.

[@billjacobs521]

Well, I don't think Bethesda "tests" their difficulty setting at all; I think they test it on normal, and then slap on the basic multipliers for difficulty changes and call it a day. Skyrim's highest difficulty wasn't much better; that's what happens when you quadruple enemy damage, or more.

[@jacobsmithpeters]

My friends and I ALL had to reduce our difficulty down to easy when we got to that point. Shop combat was a massive let down compared to any of their other games

[@Power5]

What is most weird is that on very hard FPS enemies were tough typical bullet sponges but I could take them out if I was just the tiniest bit not a Leroy Jennnnnnkins and running into the middle of them all. First 20+ hours of game I had to constantly turn down difficulty before jumping to next planet just in case I got jumped coming out of quantum. Stood zero chance at space combat in the beginning. Even on easy my ship would take serious damage.

[@tonyw6451]

They had an AI write AND code this game in one month. But we won't find that out until 2060. Cuz Bethesda's real skill is marketing and manipulation.

[@seichhornchen]

@@tonyw6451 If their real skill was manipulation I'm pretty sure their in game dialog checks would be less "You just said you won't do what I want, but what if I ask you again but angry/whiny this time? Great thanks."

[@h8hornets]

Starfield feels like a game that was based upon a checklist that Todd wanted. The devs sought to complete checklist (limited by the ancient engine) and not question if the checklist makes a fun engaging game.

[@Varangian_af_Scaniae]

"(limited by the ancient engine)" Stop bringing up their engine! Like many other engines they have upgraded it along the way. Just to bad their mindset of good enough has effed up the code. To help smooth brains like yourself understand, RAGE was created 2006 and the same engine was used to create Read Dead Redemtion 2. That engine was/is also based on an even older engine. But Rockstars engine developers are more competent than BGS's.

[@promark5317]

Wow. The engine is notoriously buggy and is really old. This is a fact. Calling a random person "smooth brain" because they mentioned it seriously pisses me off. Seriously, what is wrong with you?

[@promark5317]

I hope you dont disrespect people so friviously in real ife because you will eventually get what is coming to you.

[@planescaped]

From all accounts that have come out, it really sounds like Todd Howard's "vision" and level of control on the project crippled and ruined Starfield from the outset. As a lot of the failures of the game can be directly traced back to his direction. He tried to do a Kojima... and failed catastrophically.

[@riven4121]

@@Varangian_af_Scaniae The difference is RAGE got iterated. The Creation Engine is still fundamentally the same thing as the 1997 engine it was based on. All of the bugs from other CE games and even Gamebryo games are possible in later ones. Jesus Christ it wasn't until a few years ago that F076 stopped tying the game physics to the framerate. Things other games figured out how to do decades ago.

[@TheKro16]

I cannot understand why so many people are upset this was not nominated for GOTY.

[@2K-Tan]

Because many people unfortunately have zero taste in video games.

[@dkdevil3490]

@@2K-Tan I think it's more that most people don't play a huge variety of games. They don't really have a frame of reference when they mostly play GTA online and Sports games.

[@adriadelafuente3648]

It's a game for people who play 3 games a year. Yeah it's alright, if you've never played a better game, or you don't question what it could be. You go to the procgen planet, you soy react, and go to your day job.

[@Wahlrusberg]

@@adriadelafuente3648 I definitely got the impression that a lot of the "woah, people don't like this???" sentiment was coming from dads who haven't really played anything for the past decade but always take a day off work for a new bethesda or rockstar release. From the perspective of someone like that I can see why they don't see how dated it actually is, and are getting what they want

[@Wahlrusberg]

@@2K-Tan I think the GOTY stuff is more being driven by console war bullshit. There is a painful amount of people who unironically believe that the criticism of this game is coming from bad faith "sonyponies who are just butt mad they can't play it" and not, you know, people who have been playing Bethesda games for 20 years. So the GOTY narrative is being pushed by xbox fanboys because I guess it's like their magnum opus for this gen, and the "snub" is being interpreted as some sort of political slight at xbox.

[@chadwolf3840]

I couldn’t even remember where some of the cities were after i first visited them. You’re spot on with the whole categorization of places. It’s such a mess.

[@Power5]

Yup 200 hours in and I have no idea where the ships parts MFGs are. No idea where the cowboy HQ is. I do know where Atlantis is though. And the wolf den. That is honestly all I remember about all the planets. I have to hop through all the planets on left half with one of those important stuff markers on them to figure out which is for neon or the cowboys.

[@kirshak7007]

I love the companions in starfield. They are exactly what to expect from a dead marriage, sassy, alway criticizing you and getting mad at you for no reason.

[@julystrauss]

LOL

[@pyrelord8763]

and for some reason they hate you at times and just expect you to know what youve done wrong.

[@thought_scores]

😂

[@davidhujik3422]

Don't look at me with that tone of voice!

[@mo_musashi_284]

they all look like Karen’s

[@hardlux]

You made the absolute best piece of marketing that CyberPunk ever had... Amazing. I am buying that game tomorrow.

[@azmenthe]

I know! My main takeaway here was I need to give cyberpunk another shot

[@slipknotpurity00]

Well you sure are in for a treat. Wish I could play it again for the first time!

[@Sonsie66]

I’m waiting for the Xmas sale!

[@_CrimsonBlade]

Imagine thinking that empty big piece of garbage cybertrash is good😂

[@Joesmho23]

Got it when phantom liberty came out. It is a cool game worth getting

[@1doobiedoo]

When I play an RPG, I never skip dialogue. Even generic repeat lines, I love it. Starfield is the first RPG I found myself just skipping forward in hopes of finding *something* interesting. That something never came tbh.

[@gbeach85]

Same

[@whyiwakeup6460]

Ah yes “rpg”. So many roles to play with the constant 3 dialogue options of: agree, agree but sass, and I’ll come back later. There is only one role to play in this game.

[@DRAGONFANG18]

Your argument about Starfield having lots of planets with very little content reminded me of a 2003 game. KOTOR is also a planet exploration RPG. It may not have thousands of planets, but man were each planet really deep in terms of content and world building. Edit: I cant believe Bethesda did not learn from a 2003 game in 2023.

[@Mitsaya]

And Bioware even remembered to include consequences for cheating in their games too. And, you know, actually compelling characters and romances.

[@tonyug113]

even the blight area in morrowind was more interesting, and i hated that.

[@sunbleachedangel]

They haven't even learned from their own game

[@adamg7270]

I just picked up Starfield. Long time Bethesda fan, and played KOTOR. After my first 15 hrs in Starfield that was my exact thought: this game is a lot like KOTOR. Nice game, even fun at times, but has almost zero depth. I'll probably get some mileage out of it when they release survival mode, then i'll do a perma-death run. Until then i'm just going to blast through the main story.

[@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu]

Heck there are more interesting planets in a single ratchet and clank game than in all of starfield.

[@ecargfosreya]

When I first got Starfield, the thing that horrified me most was melee. I tried sprinting towards an enemy but couldn’t hit them unless my character first came to a complete stop and let go of the firing button. This didn’t seem to be a problem in third person but in first person it was. And don’t even get me started about how you can’t mod your melee weapons.

[@jacques8823]

So sad. Fallout 4 had me making serrated machetes from scraps and hunting for new melee weapons. Plus drugs were very useful for side stepping and vats. This game’s melee system is what made me quit.

[@ecargfosreya]

@@jacques8823 same

[@ghost3d474]

I gave up on melee because there was nothing making melee worth using over a gun

[@518UN4]

Exploration gets even worse when you decide to join the pirates and suddenly 80 % of human enemies are your friends.

[@COMMANDandConquer199]

Ha! I was completely done even trying to interact with the "exploration" by the time I got to that quest line, so I just went from quest to quest until I was through it, so I didn't even consider that. Holy shit that's hilarious.

[@gtox11]

I'll admit, I felt a little defeated when I rolled up on a large base with tons of high level enemies just to have them all be like "HI FRIEND!"

[@linuxrant]

there is only one pirate faction in starfield??

[@COMMANDandConquer199]

@@linuxrant Yeah, and every single pirate is part of that faction. Only other enemy faction is a merc faction, but you don't run into them often.

[@TheSherlockHomez]

@@linuxrant nah there's also the Spacers and the Va'Ruun Zealots. But as you might have guessed, the apostrophe in Va'Ruun is the only thing that stands out about them. I spent 100h in the game and I don't know shit about it.

[@TheAverageSheep]

The thing that worries me most about Starfield is that people like it. Meaning it will enforce and encourage the same type of design and gameplay elements for BGS's next games. And that just kills me a little inside.

[@marcosdheleno]

people like it because its not a bad game. its just not amazing. there are a ton of other games that people like even though they are mediocre, or even bad.

[@exLightningg]

Even in this video he calls it "Decent" yet I'm 40 mins in and he hasn't said a single good thing about it.

[@helios1336]

People surely don’t like it. It’s rather mediocre in the eyes of the critics and even more in the eyes of BGS fans. What are you talking about? It’s a huge flop, just look at the numbers of active players on steam. This is a financial disaster for BGS, despite selling a good amount of copies by now. No one will be enganged in a year, and the nearly spend a decade for this trash. This excuse of a game will greatly diminish the hype for ES6 and rightfully so.

[@hellfire5108]

It doesn't really matter if people like it or hate it when they simply payed for it. Because if it sells good Bethesda will keep making the same stuff.

[@Philosopher-Z-]

​@@marcosdhelenoits not a bad game, its a boring game.

[@sprag80]

Your brilliant, spot on critique of this empty game is infinitely better than the game itself. You also provided, at least for me, the best game review of 2023. Well done.

[@Dekipoo]

200 hours? Nah, you need at least 500 hours to fully understand the greatness of this game. - Starfield fans, probably

[@AC-hj9tv]

And IQ of 501

[@johnnybravo4566]

I have 200 hours already ^^ lvl 71 and going strong ^^ love this game. Fallout in space but some elements could be better.

[@bchin4005]

The amounts of copium Starfield fans must ingest would kill a mere mortal.

[@danielainger]

@@johnnybravo4566 some flaws ? The game has a lot of flaws crazy how people are satisfied with just playing rubbish nowadays

[@johnnybravo4566]

@@danielainger Cyperpunk is garbage ^^ even today unfinished game compared to Witcher 3. Starfield is unfinished too but it is copy / paste Skyrim and Fallout just in space. Flaws? For me you can't swim and dive underwater. Food balance is bad but easy fix with mod. Funny bugs but also I lost 4 ships cuz they bugged out. Other than that it is Fallout 4 with better graphics. And yeah I wanted Fallout 4 in space and Starfield is like that. That's why I like to play this game. Yeah Cyperpunk have better story and gunplay but open world and exploration sucks. You can't grab an object in Cyperpunk and place it on the table like in Starfield. In Cyperpunk you can't customize your car. In GTA or Starfield you can customize car / ship. I like Bethesda games cuz it's big open world to have some fun and do stupid things not just story, missions and then pick new game. Base building in Starfield is a lot of fun and ship customization, ship combat is great had a lot of fun. Starfield is good game but yeah some elements could be better but it is also sandbox with lot of fun and freedom.

[@boopuchannel]

i thought i was crazy for being the only one who noticed how EVERY creature in the game have the same behaviors and are essentially just reskins of one another, finally someone else said it

[@Zett76]

You ARE cracy. Nowhere in the videos is that being said. You just imagined it, like so many things. In fact, this video doesn't exist. This comment doesn't exist. .... ... .. ...... ... !

[@VideotimeEmi]

@@Zett76gaslight, gas station, girlboss

[@wolfwing1]

at least they look different, really little difference especially in combat with spacesuits from vanguard, spacre, crimson fleet or anyone else in starfield.

[@Zett76]

@@VideotimeEmi it is told! ;)

[@tonyw6451]

10,000 planets. 15 creatures.

[@SubzeroBlack68]

As soon as you played the Cyberpunk 2077 combat I got so engrossed into the footage I forgot I was watching a Starfield video. Theres just so much style and flare.

[@504Trey]

Starfield is an amazing game & is the greatest game I played in 2023 & I've played all the top rated gamed & most hyped up games released in 2023.. people just love to hate

[@vindelqen]

​@@504Trey is @SubzeroBlack68 lying ? Is there something he missed ? You didnt bring anything to the table to counter what he wrote.

[@LucDeTruc]

@@504Treywas Starfield the only you game you played in 2023 or something?

[@DarkestVibez]

@@504Trey that's the fun thing. Nobody is judging you for enjoying it. People enjoy it and there's nothing wrong with that. There's also however nothing wrong with criticizing it.

[@BungieStudios]

@@504TreyWhy you mad?

[@theclawyaww3740]

The only two interesting things in the Starfield lore had already happened(the war) or were completely missing(Va run and space serpent).

[@davewills148]

Lore is a poor excuse for anything, no one sane reads LORE, it counts for nothing.

[@VisivisiV]

@@davewills148 Welcome to RPG videogames! You sure you're in the right place?

[@topaz_climber]

Yep. An aged-feeling RPG with poor mechanics I can forgive. An RPG with boring story, uninteresting characters, no choices and shallow lore. That’s a critical failure! Starfield is awful.

[@shanegale6143]

It's funny cuz you could say the same thing about elden ring except the game is competently made so it made everyone curious and not roll their eyes

[@patwilson2546]

@@shanegale6143 Elden Ring IMHO is more about brutal gameplay than anything else (which is why I deleted it from my drive as soon as I finished it). There is a certain lore to it and they do stay true to it, but IMHO that's not really the point of the game. Bethesda games are supposed to put you in a world that is fun to explore. Bethesda NPCs have never been the best nor have their quests. However, the NPCs of Skyrim were good enough that they added to the game instead of actively subtracting enjoyment. Most of the quest lines were reasonably enjoyable, even if the were not the deepest. Most of all, exploring the game world space (Skyrim, Cyrodil, Boston, Washington) is the real joy of Bethesda games. That is totally missing from Starfield. What we get is a bland game universe, the worst NPCs I have ever seen in a Bethesda game by a long shot, and mostly unimaginative quests (with a few that are actually good). The gun combat is fun. The stealth is not. Ship building is fun despite the UI implementation. Ship - ship combat ,,, meh. It's OK. The game is not all bad by any means, but it just gets so damned boring. I played over 100 hours, fueled mostly by the combat and the thought that it will pick up. It never did. After I had murdered the 1000th generic human baddie I just said "enough" and put it away. We'll see if modders can make something of it. Many of the basic tools are there.

[@cepheus3d]

After watching this video, I realized that Bethesda have completely lost their touch as game designers. Even ignoring the technological innovations they could've added to the game, they appear to be completely creatively bankrupt in terms of even working around engine limitations to create a fun game, and the results speak for themselves.

[@Draeckon]

It's because most of the company's most talented members are no longer there. They also only have like 2 writers, which cannot create a breadth of story and quest content that is both wide and deep for a game of this sheer scope. You need at least a dozen or more, with someone overseeing them to make sure their ideas mesh together as cleanly as reasonably possible.

[@ohwellplaythecardsthatimgi9494]

@@Draeckon They have one singular writer, Emil Pagliarulo

[@NiSE_Rafter]

​@@ohwellplaythecardsthatimgi9494That's just false. Emil led the writing team but did not individually write the entire story. Other writers have been credited for the various quest lines, like Will Shen.

[@ellipsesellipsesellipses8562]

I just wanted to talk about the scene from 2077 with the Flathead and Dumb-Dumb. I actually felt tense in that moment. The tone of the voice actors, the music, the little non-verbal ticks of both the gang members and your partner clearly being on edge, and the aggressive motions of the characters built an amazing stand off for everyone involved. Throw in the fact that if your too trusting and don't show enough "cojones" to make them take you seriously you can and will die from a bullet to the head mid-cutscene with no further chance to stop it. It was unfortunate that 2077s gameplay needed a major overhaul because the role playing and experience in this game is top notch and I'm glad that it won the labor of love award. I skipped Starfield completely and I'm glad I did. Everything I've seen about it looks mediocre at best Which led me to come up with a description that made my zoomer nefew laugh. "The game isn't bad, it's just on the low-end of mid."

[@thedonofthsht76-58]

I'd highly recommend playing cyberpunk now with phantom liberty if you haven't already. Probably my favorite game ever.

[@perhapsyes2493]

On the quality of animations: Panam's wink in that one bar scene, after you make that 'suggestion'. You know the one.

[@SetZor666]

everybody goes to this scene when talking about cyberpunk, of course this was the most fleshed out scene in the game because it was in their initial showcase for it. after the heist mission the game doesn't have anymore scenes/situations even close to this in terms of variety and choice. at best you get passive/aggressive options but that's about it.

[@ssshjsssj5033]

@@SetZor666 It's not about the number of choices though. It's really just about the execution of the scenes. In that regard, there are many scenes that are just as good as this one.

[@OmegaZyion]

59:44 It's funny that you call this Starfield's most ambitious scene when all of the dialogue options have the exact same outcome. I've heard so many people describe this as the best part of the story because it has so many options, but none of them bothered to try out the other options before putting it on a pedestal. Even if you try to fail by selecting the worse options, the game makes you succeed. That one scene is the embodiment of everything wrong with Starfield's storytelling.

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

Lol I thought people say that sarcastically.

[@xTxCxMx]

Reminds me about the kellog encounter in FO4 I went through each and every option they were all like, 1 word different from one another even the tone was identical

[@Grekinski]

I was enjoying Starfield before Phantom Liberty. I felt some it’s flaws from the beginning but decided to ignored them. I was hyped for the game, but as soon as Phantom Liberty came out and played it, I tried returning to Starfield to finish it and couldn’t. It just feels like a chore.

[@patwilson2546]

That's the problem. If I am going to go to work I expect to be paid to do it. With Starfield, I paid somebody else for the "pleasure" of mining rocks. buzz buzz buzz ... on to the next rock buzz buzz buzz ... Oh what fun!

[@UnityAgainstJewishEvil]

@@patwilson2546Not only that, but Bethesda just craps out a broken product and expects modders to work as well by fixing their game for them. Bethesda are lazy and creatively bankrupt.

[@kubbykush420]

​@@UnityAgainstJewishEvilAbsolutely that part. 💯

[@gerwyn8340]

Really its just a early access game, with good graphics, it feels incomplete some how. (Maybe its because there are no alien races?)

[@UnityAgainstJewishEvil]

@@gerwyn8340 Yea the fact there’s no alien-humanoids made it also seem very bland and uninteresting.

[@JammyGuns]

THE definitive Starfield review/analysis imo. You nailed it perfectly.

[@DownwardThrust]

❤

[@dieSpinnt]

I think they even take the critique and fix bad designed things like the movement or shooting action/power integration: ... WITH V.A.T.S. Hehehe

[@whyiwakeup6460]

The patrician review definitely covers many more aspects and in more detail, but a few small issues mentioned here aren’t mentioned in that video.

[@whyiwakeup6460]

@@dieSpinntwhat are you talking about

[@johnwiks2597]

The irony of Todd going back to Daggerfall in a sense with procedural generation...when it was his insistence back in the Morrowind days for handcrafted fantasy gameplay.

[@jensenraylight8011]

Give them some slack, let them iron out the kink in Starfield 2. the game is not that bad, it had a huge potential for future expansion, yes there are a lot of flaw, but there are also a lot of good things that they done right as well. and i'm sure your compain was heard loud and clearly by Todd Howard Himself this is a new IP, if you kept raising Pitchfork whenever a Dev decided to create new IP, in the future, they'll become a coward and won't make any new game for you anymore.

[@jensenraylight8011]

@@samanfang5139 well, your opinion aren't equal to everyone opinion. Most haters are never even played the game, Most of them only watch the Review or Gameplay footage, then jump to the hate bandwagon. the Proportion of those people are way too overblown. despite all of the flaw, there are so many people enjoy to play this game, but they're not too vocal about it. The numbers shows that people actually play this game, that this game is one of the most played. so, this game might not a good fit for you, and you should keep your opinion to yourself. play whatever you like, and let other people enjoy whatever they like.

[@Mkrause762]

@@jensenraylight8011the numbers do not show that people are enjoying the game, 3x more people are playing Skyrim on steam

[@tonyw6451]

Got Rich, Got Arrogant, Got Lazy. But the second one is really why I now hate him and his company.

[@stephengrigg5988]

​@@jensenraylight8011"the numbers show that people actually play this game" Yeah, they show 5k monthly players.. helldivers 2 has went through a PR nightmare and has lost most of their player base and the lowest they've had was 40k players. You keep trying to act like you're defending this game from an unbiased stance, but you're horse feeding and clearly a jaded fanboy. If you enjoy the game go ahead, but don't unsult people for not liking it when you're citing lies.

[@jermainegrays]

Your point about seeing the exact same base twice and how it breaks immersion is so spot on. Within my first 10 hours I saw the same base 3 or 4 times across 3 or 4 different plants and systems.

[@jspotter89]

It blows my mind that they released with something like 30 unique locations that will spawn on planets. You put 1,600 planets in your game, made them all explorable (well, mostly, with the invisible wall bullshit), and thought that would be enough to sustain "exploration" in this game??? I refuse to believe it. They knew what exploration was, and they still trotted it out as one of the selling points of the game. Truly, after F76 and this, Bethesda is a husk of a game developer.

[@Frenchfraeis]

The club scene in Phantom Liberty was such a beauty to behold. I recall having just finished one of the mission parts and I was supposed to go meet someone, but the shows starts, and since the game doesn't rush you and lets you just really notice it starting by how striking it is, that I just did. No reason to stay and watch, but so glad I did. The golden wings and the performance have stayed in my mind still.

[@CharlesFerraro]

Is that in Starfield or Cyberpunk?

[@Frenchfraeis]

@@CharlesFerraro Cyberpunk, Phantom Liberty being the name of the DLC/Expansion.

[@CharlesFerraro]

@@Frenchfraeis ohh I saw the thing you were talking about later in the video. The angel thing is Grimes. Thought I was looking at Starfield there but it makes more sense that it was 2077 since Grimes was in that. Earlier I thought “oh crazy Grimes is in Starfield too” 😂

[@kenohtx]

I bought Cyberpunk a week ago and man this game is an absolute masterpiece. After 100 hrs I still haven't even thought about using fast travel. I gladly walk, run, and drive everywhere. The world is just that damn good.

[@Space_Ghost91]

I think a really simple but fundamental flaw with exploration in Starfield is that the points of interest map markers are already there when you land on a planet. In Skyrim they would pop in as you got within a certain range so you would visually assess the landscape and walk towards something you think could be of interest, the game would then affirm your curiosity by saying 'yes there is a cave here' and then you would discover the cave and go in an explore it, it felt rewarding. In Starfield you already know as soon as you land how far away the map marker is so it's literally just a case of making a b-line straight to that marker with no sense that you've actually discovered anything. It's strange how they could mess up something that seems so insignificant but actually has a massive impact on exploration.