Star Wars KOTOR II: Obsidian's Unfinished Classic

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Songs:
Most of KOTOR 1 and 2's OSTs
Fire and Thunder by Cjbeards- • Cjbeards - Fire and Th...
Deadlines by Network Music Ensemble
Marty from the Lisa the First OST
東方EurobeatセンヲコエテA-ONE -Idk how else to put that one. Just search for that.
Ganondorf Battle First Half from the LoZ Wind Waker OST
Big Blue from the F-Zero OST
Steam Gardens from the Super Mario Odyssey OST
Invasion from the Xenogears OST
Underneath the Rotting Pizza from the Final Fantasy VII OST
Lindblum from the Final Fantasy IX OST
Derelict Factory from the Chrono Trigger OST
Mission Briefing from the Metal Gear Solid 3 OST
Gauer Plains from the Xenoblade OST
Masser from the Skyrim OST
FreakyMenu from the Friday Night Funkin' Neo OST
Temple of Light from the Fable OST
Elwynn Forest from the WoW OST
Fire Keepers from the Dark Souls II OST
King Bran's Final Voyage from The Witcher 3 OST
Rubble of the Forgotten from the Fallout New Vegas OST
Toru from the Diablo II OST
Coin Song Remastered by sschafi1- • Final Fantasy VI - Coi...
Astera theme from the Monster Hunter World OST
Hall of Flames from the Final Fantasy XIV OST
Let's Go Away from the Daytona USA OST
Dha Werda Verda from the Star Wars: Republic Commando OST
A Beautiful Song from the Nier Automata OST
Nuts & Bolts [Restored] by Jammin' Sam Miller- • Donkey Kong Country 3 ...
Fear Factory [Restored] by Jammin' Sam Miller- • Donkey Kong Country - ...
Steiner's theme from the Final Fantasy IX OST
Blue Skies and a Battle (Rain) from the Fire Emblem Three Houses OST
Attack of the Airships from the Super Mario Galaxy OST
Area 6- Star Fox 64 from the Smash Ultimate OST
Star Wolf from the Star Fox Assault OST
Weapons Factory from the Super Mario RPG OST
Space Battleground from the Star Fox Assault OST
Chrono Trigger - Battle with Magus (Orchestral Remix) by Malcolm Robinson Music- • Chrono Trigger - Battl...
Sector Ω from the Star Fox Zero OST
Devil's Bath Boys from the Lisa the Painful OST
Return to Corneria from the Star Fox Zero OST
Here's something I need to copy & paste to avoid copyright:
Track: Satara - The Game
Music Provided by Magic Records
Listen To The Original: • Satara - The Game (Mag... ​
Free Download: fanlink.to/bRCW
Final Battle Against Ganon from the LoZ Ocarina of Time OST
Darkwood from the Fable OST
Prologue from the Star Wars: Republic Commando OST
Main Menu from the Star Wars Battlefront II (EA remake) OST
Timestamps:
00:00- Intro
02:54- Character creation & Prologue
06:05- Peragus
30:33- Telos
56:21- Nar Shaddaa
01:23:29- Dantooine
01:33:27- Audible
01:35:21- Companion evaluation
01:57:44- Dxun Pt. 1
02:03:51- Onderon Pt. 1
02:17:55- Korriban
02:23:10- M4-78
02:34:24- Dxun & Onderon Pt. 2
02:40:17- Jedi Council confrontation
02:46:20- Return to Telos
02:52:59- HK Factory
02:56:39- Ravager
03:00:40- Malachor V
03:19:59- Wrap up/Final thoughts
This video was brought to you by not knowing why I made it this long.
Thanks for watching!

[@TheSaltFactory]

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[@storm6929]

thabks

[@ashes4294]

thanks dad

[@AugustoXRock]

Shit dude, I love your sense of humor. I'll check it out for sure :D

[@bradh3292]

Screw my court date I'm watching this...

[@SmokeAnPlay]

I was thinking to myself: When will Salt post again? Not disappointed. Thank you very much for the video :D

[@JamesVermont]

Basically, you can start the game and this video at the same time and by the time this video ends you'll still be in Peragus

[@lazaruslong697]

Played it so many times I can speed run Peragus blindfolded. I am almost sure can get to Telos in 3 hours. ;)

[@1337karm]

Peragus takes about half an hour. I’m dead serious. When I realized that, it confirmed to me that time isn’t real.

[@alexisauld7781]

If you know all the things you need to do, you can run through Peragus in about half an hour, maybe add 10 minutes for the Harbinger. But the first time you go through... *Oh fuck no*

[@Oodelally]

I’ve only played once, but Peragus was only about an 30 - 50 minutes for me

[@damianworek4444]

Doesn't that depend on whether you use restoration mod or not? I haven't played Kotor in a long time but I don't remember spending so much time on Peragus and no, I didn't use the mod.

[@decimater75]

"Canderous, is that you?" *"No, I'm his twin brother, Manderous."*

[@richardbaker308]

Think you mean mandelorous

[@AngeFIN]

@@richardbaker308 Murderous would fit too =)

[@CHRF-55457]

lol.

[@Voradorek84]

Couldderous? Can't De Rous?

[@decimater75]

For anyone who doesn’t know, this is a reference to ye olde video called “mandalf” which is a dub over lord of the rings and a real gem.

[@jonnygraham2372]

Started in 2006 and I finally just got out of Peragus. Can’t wait for the rest of the story.

[@Dark55tackles]

You can get off of Peragus???!!!

[@MotorcycleCheetah]

There’s a world outside Peragus?!

[@ChrisPoindexter98]

😭

[@Charli3Fr33]

😂😂😂😂

[@californiansniper2133]

Actually lying you can’t leave

[@halvy998]

HK-47 saying "Apathy is death." gets me everytime

[@evr0b]

“Statemennt: Apathyyy is deathhhhh”

[@Monomiknose]

The real HK is so sarcastic, even the force ghost pretending to be him couldn't help but deliver that line as facetiously as possible.

[@TayTayMakesBeats]

It's a perfect punchline to what should be a pretty serious scene, gotta love HK.

[@t2av159]

I spit my drink out lol so unexpected

[@Spooky_515]

Good ol’ HK, the ultimate killing machine

[@SirDankleberry]

First Obsidian doesn't finish KOTOR 2 and it becomes a classic, then years later Obsidian didn't finish New Vegas and it became a classic. We just need to make sure Obsidian never finishes their game 100%.

[@MrAdrien914]

Ikr, they finished The Outer Worlds and it's average

[@SirDankleberry]

@@MrAdrien914 Yeah it was alright.

[@bruno17289]

@@MrAdrien914 Nah it was the budget that constrained Outer Worlds

[@nicolasleroux5302]

I don’t understand how an unfinished work can be considered a classic. Especially a work like KOTOR II which discards the themes of its predecessor.

[@HenriFaust]

@@MrAdrien914 None of the people who made good games still work at Obsidian.

[@NwahInSpace]

"Why am I still on Peragus?" That's a question KOTOR II fans have been asking for years

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

sit down an wait for rescue - HK

[@TenderbitsGames]

Yeah, that's why I always use the skip Peragus(also here's a lightsaber) mod. Peragus lays down a lot of set-up that you need for the game, but I've played a lot and it definitely drags on

[@7MacYou]

I actually enjoy Peragus, it has good atmosphere for me, but I guess it can be childhood nostalgia

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

@@7MacYou the ere silence of nothing but beeps from machinery

[@alexrydin]

I didnt like Peragus when the game came out, but now its got that nostalgia factor going for it and i kind of love it.

[@polishrocker93]

2:02:05 you passed by mandalorian that would let you fast travel back to the Ebon Hawk. So you missed the fast travel feature in both KOTOR 1 and 2 😂

[@james583mk]

I was going to say this haha, there's a few fast travel methods in this game they just aren't obvious

[@AngusHirstAngusHirst]

🙏

[@dballls]

@@james583mklet the y

[@Sayrden]

2:50:29 From what I understand, Atris' incoherent philosophy is partly the result of more cut content. The original plan was that you'd have to face someone called "Darth Traya", but it wouldn't necessarily be Kreia. Depending on your path through the game, either Kreia or Atris could've become Darth Traya. I think that's why Kreia says earlier that the Betrayer is yet to be revealed. She knew that there would be a big betrayal (Force visions, I guess), but it wasn't yet certain that she would be the one to betray you. I'm not sure she's being deliberately vague; rather, she's being as specific as she can be about a yet-uncertain future.

[@sukitron5415]

I thought Atris became Darth Traya when the handmaiden "betrayed" her by siding with the exile?

[@thomaswood1158]

And the biggest betrayal in the game… those goddamn SwoOp RaCeS!!!

[@garrettdavenport4216]

Imagine playing male exile and not choosing Space Jesus for your avatar

[@meusana3681]

XD imagine playing male exile and not getting space prophet to turn evil later on

[@MalkavianKindred]

59:33 Here's your Space Jesus

[@zetterburger]

Imagine not playing Jesus, heathen

[@meusana3681]

@@zetterburger evil jesus it is then

[@nebeskisrb7765]

I... actually played LS with Space Jesus avatar, I just didn't notice the resemblance then.

[@NarutoxinZ]

"I'm going to make my own jedi order! With pazak and handmaidens!"

[@kay_keik7842]

i knew someone in the comments would make that joke

[@348joey]

In fact, skip the Pazak and Jedi part!

[@FalenDragmire]

3:10:20 Nihlus was deemed a failure because he doesn't just consume the Force, he also consumes life. If left unchecked, he would have consumed all life in the galaxy, not just Force sensitive life. Kreia didn't want all life to end, only the Force.

[@GearShotgun]

Yeah, Nihilus was like wanting an assassin that could kill a single, albeit very powerful target, and getting a nuclear bomb instead

[@Flismz]

The Force is life though... It's short for the Living Force. Kreia wanting to destroy the force was just stupid. That would have meant destroying all life.

[@FalenDragmire]

@@Flismz In Legends canon, which is what KotOR 2 takes place in, that's not necessarily the case. There were different aspects of the force that were completely separate from each other. What Kreia wanted to do was remove the force's influence over the galaxy so that the force could not exert its influence or will over anything else. Besides, if the force was literally life itself, then any beings who were cut off from the force should be dead or simply not exist at all. And we several characters throughout Star Wars who were at one time or another cut off from the force, either by accident or by force of will (either their own or someone elses). The Exile themselves in KotOR 2 is one such example.

[@kaiscudz]

@@FalenDragmire always thought the reason that Nihlus was a failure was because he relied on the force to survive by feeding on life through the force which Kreia saw as weakness. Like how Sion was a failure because he relied on the force to hold his body together and stay alive for without it he was nothing.

[@FalenDragmire]

@@kaiscudz That's certainly part of the reason why he was a failure. Because Kreia didn't want to destroy all life; she wanted to destroy the force. And even then, you could argue she didn't want to destroy the force but rather just wanted to remove it's influence from the galaxy. She just couldn't come up with a better way to do that without destroying it.

[@codyweaver9382]

Decades later: Something you may not notice when playing the game is that you can toggle to first person view on characters and different characters have different ways of seeing things, e.g. Visas or droids will have a different filter for how they see the world than other characters do.

[@UNSCPILOT]

remember finding that feature and being fascinated by it as a kid, still kinda wonder why more advanced versions of that aren't used more often in games, different critters would see things wildly different depending on what kinda of light their eyes are sensitive too and so on

[@jonsmith5058]

You mention reprogramming HK-47 to make him more sympathetic to life, or wording to that effect. You actually can!!!! On Nar Shaddaa you can buy a HK passive component that will make him peace loving, its just a short easter egg and you quickly remove it but its super fun to see.

[@michalnowacki1489]

pretty sure that's also an achievement

[@StonedGoth1919]

@@michalnowacki1489 they added achievements?

[@michalnowacki1489]

@@StonedGoth1919 the Steam version has achievements alright

[@TheReZisTLust]

@@StonedGoth1919 sonic adventure has achievements lmao

[@arx3516]

Where can you get this component?

[@nobody2996]

Small tidbits: Things like that odd bit of voice acting on Dantooine, some really weird cutscene inconsistencies and the droid planet can't really be blamed on the developers. Some of these weren't just cut content added back in by the Restored content mod, but cut content filled IN by the restored content mod, meaning some of those parts are the modders trying to piece together different data best they can. Think of it like, they have the level layout, they have some voice clips of the last few cutscenes and some loose script for a few of the NPCs and they then have to make up what connects all these assets together. On that note, the old Restored scene for the droid planet has Sion killing the Jedi Master you find there, and a few other scenes where he and Nihlus would interact and fight each other. The reason you don't learn as much about Hanhar is because, during the Nar Shadda story, he becomes the companion for Dark side players instead of Mira. On the subject of the 'black and white' conflicts in the game, it's less about 'One side is good and one side is evil' and more 'one side is appealing while the other side might be better in the long run'. The Onderon conflict being the best example as, while the general might be shadier and more ruthless than the moral Queen, he could ultimately be considered better for Onderon as he stops Onderon from losing all of it's culture and standing when being absorbed into the Republic. The Ithorians vs Czerka was basically a matter of asking if letting the Republic, which is very much on it's last leg, sink so much resource into restoring planets would only further destabilize the Republic. It's basically a microcosm of Kreia's lesson on Nar Shadda, what seems like a good deed in the short run can very well spell a worse fate in the long run if you let blind altruism guide you. Speaking of Onderon, there's a small funny moment where, if you side with the Queen, she rewards you with an artefact from her museum. However, you can steal the item before hand when you pass through there, meaning when you get to this scene, she assumes the General's men took it and she has to give you an extra reward. Kreia sees Nihlus as a failure since he is the ultimate example of what she hates, he's become a mindless incarnation of hunger, unable to do anything but seek life to feed on, relying on the force to stave off starving. He's the opposite of the exile, the representation of what the Exile would have become if they hadn't cut themselves off from the force on Malachor. He repels, you attract. He can't speak at all while you have a full dialouge list. He causes distress, you cause obsession. And in the end (as the darkness takes him), he is nothing, as Kreia told you he would be. Though, he became nothing because Kreia used Tobin/Queenie to lure him into a trap, but nothing none the less! Sion goes back to Kreia because ultimately, he needs her. Like he treats you like her son, he's like Kreia's neglected son who, no matter how hard he tries to forge his own path, he still wants mommy's approval. Well, on male playthroughs. On female playthroughs, Sion has fallen in love with you and wants to kill you to save you from Kreia. Best way to explain some of Atris's contradictions is projection. She's obsessed with you (in love with you if you're a male with some Oedipus-complex vibes, adores you if you're female) and see's you leaving for the Mandalorian War and subsequently your exile as you abandoning her, but that emotion is distasteful for her, so she convinces herself that her anger against you is because you were wrong and that what she's doing is completely different. If she admits that you were right, then she admits why she's really angry with you, and she can't accept that. Probably good you're doing the non-canon playthrough, because canon dictates that after Kotor 2, the Exile meets up with Revan and gets shanked by The Emperor's Wrath to set up The Old Republic MMO.

[@MrNinjaBurger]

One thing I always really liked about the general is that he doesn't backstab you once you do what he says. He keeps his word, he offers you shelter should you need it, rewards you, and helps them keep their identity and culture. He's not just evil and doing stupid things to do it.

[@turkturkleton2671]

And there's still more. There's hours of dialogue most people haven't heard about situations they played thru. he keeps joking about exposition characters but, God, he really has no idea. So much dialogue is just unlocked by having a high wisdom alone. Not just other skills. The speech was much more like fallout New Vegas than people realized if you just went in as a tank.

[@turkturkleton2671]

And honestly one more thing, even though you said so many true things, I feel like this guy didn't explore a lot of the quest cuz after you get off telos there's usually more than one way to solve a quest, or even trees to finish storyline quests that are bit light or dark bu not fully. Unless you're really dying to get in the dark side cave on Korriban this is the very easy game to go gray in. And you can solve lots of journal entries on a case to case basis or handle your companions individually the way you want.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

wow, this game has layers upon layers, upon layers.

[@abzalf7946]

@Lovegrip Symposium Have you watched The Philosophy of Kreia video? If you haven't, it's great! Just wanted to let you know in case you hadn't heard of it.

[@TheStoodUpKid]

55:07 In argument to your questions. Han Solo wasn't attuned to the force, but he still turned on Luke's Saber while he was unconscious. Lightsabers aren't magical items. They are just extremely dangerous so typically only force users weld them

[@cjcolehour2778]

there are also still swords in a universe filled with guns, so unless you have the predictive power of a Jedi in order to doge/redirect bolts their just not very useful.

[@TheStoodUpKid]

@@cjcolehour2778 insert Indiana Jones shooting the swordsman ;)

[@bigloser5104]

@@TheStoodUpKid Basically mandalorians, "deflect lasers, eat buckshot fucko"

[@samweber6157]

Vador trained a stormtrooper Sergeant how to use a lightsaber.

[@guciowitomski3825]

@@samweber6157 Vader* Only the french changed the name for whatever reason

[@LordBloodraven]

Pro tip for beating the 5 sisters. Disengage from combat and just walk towards each of them while remaining on the mat. The combat system will compel them to back up to avoid clipping issues, but doing so will force them off the fighting mat and they'll lose.

[@Jedioutcast]

Thank you

[@MangoOverthere]

It's a shame that even doing this is painful in its own right and you're not rewarded for a pulling such a near impossible feat.

[@blackhat4206]

After some trial and error, I was able to reliably defeat them repeatedly in a straight up fight with a consular character. It’s not an impossible feat.

[@MangoOverthere]

@@blackhat4206 Right but that would mean that leading up to an early part of the game you'd have had leveled your character a certain way, working with limited items to choose from. It def just seems like it's a device meant to show how much more powerful they were than your character at the time so that we couldn't ask "Hey, why can't just kill them all and take my lightsaber back?"

[@blackhat4206]

@@MangoOverthere That’s true. It wasn’t something that one could easily do without an in depth understanding of game mechanics, or the will and foreknowledge to min max your build. I was just pointing out that if a consular could do it with a solid build, then it would likely be easier for a guardian which specializes in melee. Although, I hardly ever played as any class but consular.

[@makedragonagegreatagain3148]

Keira dual wielding pistols is the most cursed thing I've ever seen.

[@EldenLord1142]

keira renounces the force and used superior firearms

[@D00000T]

why use a laser sword when you can just use very complex advanced technology known as a gun

[@Peniche94]

@@D00000T I think there is a build where you coul be a dual pistol, and it break the game xD

[@comicsans1689]

@@EldenLord1142 That would actually be in-character for her lmao

[@xLionsxxSmithyx]

@@Peniche94 Sith Assassin pistols are god tier...

[@TheDonovanMcCormick]

Jedi: *choking to death* Kreia: if we help him it will only make him weak in the long run. Me: ok Jedi: *dies* Me: *looks at Kreia* Kreia: Of course not helping him will make him weak at the present time.

[@Ale-dd3ek]

Influence Gained: Kreia Influence Lost: Kreia

[@MultiKool13]

@@Ale-dd3ek *dark side points: increased*

[@evankurasu3190]

and with this comment section, i'm fucking dead with my sides in orbit.

[@TheKueiJin]

Your example isn't quite good, a better example would be a man clutching a ledge with one hand, 4 fingers away from falling. But let's go with your example: Kreias' trying to teach you something, if the idiot managed to get himself in such a stupid situation, then he isn't much use in other situations. You going there to Heimlich him will just be wasted effort on you. Him not knowing that you can beat your chest to dislodge the object he was trying to swallow is what you should impart. Make the most, with the least amount of effort, while still knowing the outcome, and all its ramifications. That is the lesson Kreia wanted for you to learn. And in my effort, trying to teach you, i have wasted both my time, for chastising... individuals... that cannot fathom stick from carrot, as well as your time.

[@PassionateXisaster]

@@TheKueiJin nerd

[@MsErtwer]

3:09:11 "Kills Sion 3 times" Sion: "So anyway, about Kreia..."

[@georgeoldsterd8994]

Ironically, the quest on Nar Shadaa with the lady trying to get back with her husband actually works without a hitch in the game as it was shipped, that is, without the CRM.

[@doomeyer]

It's not a bug, he probably forgot to kill a guard or another that stay on another ramp in the map. You have to kill ALL of them for her to go.

[@yannisparker3397]

Yeah I thought so too I remember doing it myself

[@_Yep_Yep_]

Nar shadda ramps...

[@jesalt8230]

I didn't have a problem with that quest while having CRM

[@armouredjester1622]

@@doomeyer no you don't. I killed the two that shake you down and no one else, ran straight to the refugee area, and she went to the docks without issue. I literally did it six hours ago.

[@OttermanNathan]

I saw this video was 3 hours long and assumed the first hour was just peragus

[@cip1720]

My first 2 hours were on the ship lmao

[@cip1720]

Finally beat the game like a week ago gonna finish the video now lol it was enjoyable for the most part and only had a few bugs

[@tempski9373]

I think I was stuck on peragus for like 5 monthes

[@G59forlife.]

@@tempski9373 yeah at first it's a drag but replaying it is pretty fun This is my opinion btw, do not expect to feel the same.

[@OttermanNathan]

@@tempski9373 my sister (who introduced me to the series) started KOTOR II a few years ago. rumor has it, she's still there

[@firecats1017]

the way HK said "apathy is death" like an old school horror movie announcer made me lose my mind laughing

[@thomaswhite7238]

Fun fact you can go into first person and look around. If you do so while controlling Visas she can see how good or evil things are, because she sees through the force.

[@mattsouthern6088]

Fucking what

[@itsdantaylor]

One of my favorite star wars stories despite feeling the game was incomplete. Long have I wished more recent star wars stories would abandon the good v evil conflict and take a harder look at the force in general and what that means in the context of the history of Star wars. Is everything that happens the will of the force? Does the force want balance or just constant conflict? IF something like that does exist, is there such a thing as free will. And would freedom be something to desire when faced with the prospect it could lead to the destruction of EVERYTHING.

[@rantradio]

Yup. Over the years, I've realised that Both sides are flawed in their acts and philosophy, and going Grey is the only way. That is the balance they speak of.

[@MultiNumenor]

@@rantradio You're right, problem is fanboys will going mad if you say something like this. Many times in the old canon is showed that the jedi and the sith are flawed, balanced and inner peace is more of a personal journey because their view of the Force and the life is incomplete but no, is just light side the balance and dark side is a perversion of the Force, there will be no peace in the galaxy without the jedi. Well everybody knows how Star Wars fandom is

[@rohenthar8449]

@@MultiNumenor Yeah, current fandom is as you say, and that's also why currently we have twisted view of the force, that light side is balance, when in truth is not, and darkness is evil, which is also false. That's also why Revan story was rewritten, because Kreia said; "that he "fallen" out of necessity (or even never truly fell)", and now, canonically we have that Emperor corrupted and lured him to the Dark Side..., the difference is colossal. There is many more subtle, and also obvious changes to the SW universe, to make it in the one direction; that Jedi are saints no matter what they do, when we saw in the prequel trilogy (also in Clone Wars), that they are equal evil, or even more so, than Sith are.

[@grafphal5103]

@@rohenthar8449 Really? Jedi are more evil than mass genocide?

[@rohenthar8449]

@@grafphal5103 Indeed they are, after all they have genocides on their hands too.

[@skadooshwarrior6978]

pro tip: don't kill those sith guard on Peragus with the laser turret. If you let them onto the ship, you get a fuck tonne of XP

[@KCCOmug]

The Sith Lord Restored Content Mod actually fixed this so you get more XP from turrenting them

[@cjdziesiuta1995]

Thanks for the tip!

[@gladspooky9455]

This game isn't difficult enough for this tiny amount of XP to matter.

[@PatheticApathetic]

Why would you want to slog through more ADAD combat mechanics just to make the game even more easy?

[@Palora01]

@@PatheticApathetic so i'll get stronger faster in order to do the rest of the combat faster. Unfortunatly I didn't know the restored edition flipped it around TT

[@bobbob246]

"I despise the jedi council for their inaction" Wow, it's almost like Apathy is Death

[@sweetssandbox3526]

Apathy is death.

[@sabrookchi]

Apathy is Death

[@m.thorton9305]

Apathy is death

[@GeorgeKinsill]

Apathy is death.

[@konradfischer8629]

Apathy is Death

[@nickposting123]

Salt Factory ending a critique about something with "Oh well..." is basically a death sentence

[@YouShallNotPassGo]

Apathy is death... or something like that

[@a.s.raiyan2003-4]

Obsidian really is an underrated developer. No publisher treats them fairly.

[@Just_normal_youtube_channel]

They made my favorite RPG of all time, South Park: Stick of Truth.

[@jaydub6928]

Between this game and Fallout New Vegas, super super underrated. I mean both games were on a super rushed time frame and they had to cut a TON of content but theyre still 2 of the best games ive ever played, that says alot about how talented they are

[@missdarkfaerie1377]

@@Just_normal_youtube_channeland Fractured But Whole. 😋

[@johnnyfavorite3880]

Publishers look at them as old school developers because they are really good at making single player story based games. Unfortunately, most publishers look at single player games as less profitable and they are compared to free to play/games as a service games.

[@TheMrDewil]

@eqw alle so basically Obsidian yields better results when working under pressure? That is ironic. Kinda sad too.

[@TheReeceG21]

Who’s going to tell him that on Dxun you can talk to the Mandalorian at the exit of the camp to fast travel back to the ship?

[@samuelhaynes9360]

Or that Nar Shadaa you can use the speeders to fast travel

[@FJAR1635]

Or Telos you can use the terminals

[@TurKlack]

3 and a half hours....and yet....

[@keflas3842]

Ive played these games 6-8 times each and I didn’t know that either

[@realBatman-89]

@@keflas3842 failed you have

[@thesummerofmark]

I’ll enjoy watching this over the course of the next several years

[@Maurovers]

accurate

[@WhoTheHellIsDave]

It yes

[@sebdavies1610]

💯

[@AliIKarimi]

I wish I made this comment, because it’s exactly how I felt when I saw how long this video is.

[@sinsoftheswamp8346]

Couple times a day*

[@echoawoo7195]

Fun fact about Kreia's force. If you have high influence on light side she will start to mirror you, but it never really goes above gray with hints of blue or a little redder. However, if you have low influence, she will literally be your anthesis. If you're high blue, she becomes high red. And if you're High Red, she becomes High Blue. She is the only companion who will completely invert their alignment because of influence.

[@MotorcycleCheetah]

Wait really? When does this happen? I’ve played the game so many times and never seen this happen.

[@mawrak]

This isn't true at all. Kreia's alignment never changes. Ever. All other companions with low influence will always follow the opposite of your alignment, and all companions with high influence will start to follow your character's alignment. Kreia stays static no matter what.

[@brotheriguana]

That’s just a visual thing and it’s temporary, when a character is in the grey it will keep the blue or orange aura tint from the previous character, she never shifts away from the grey.

[@mcgroosegrooser6900]

2:23:00 you joke, but adhesive grenades are actually incredibly valuable for one reason: Master Vrook. If you go Dark Side and go to Dantooine for your first planet and attack Vrook, there is a good chance he will kick your ass because he will dodge EVERY. SINGLE. ATTACK. He will also spam force heal, negating any damage you do. He is probably the toughest of the Jedi masters to fight. Not only does an adhesive grenade guarantee that he cannot move (unlike the ice grenade), he also cannot use force powers. The adhesive grenade was the only way I could beat him my first few times playing this game, and I swear I could barely find any adhesive grenades up until I fought him.

[@User-ge7ni]

just use mines

[@TheLikenessOfNormal]

"I made dex and intelligence my dump stats" Everyone whose played the game before: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@lipayy9852]

Literally physically painful

[@phrog849]

Why wouldn't you make int a dump stat? Just have someone in your party with high intelligence and throw the excess into something more useful like str or wis

[@TheLikenessOfNormal]

@@phrog849 Because there are solo sections of the game? Personal skillchecks not party skillchecks. Because you get way more put of crafting as a high intelligence high skill character.

[@TheLikenessOfNormal]

@@phrog849 also strength is 100000000% the most USELESS stat. You can make it absolutely unimportant your first level by picking up finesse and stacking dex and AC higher.

[@lisasimpson6308]

@@TheLikenessOfNormal I'm not sure but I think unless you do damage via Blasters and such, Finesse only affects your chance to hit and not your damage.

[@MahDryBread]

The Oblivion Guard voice clips got me

[@zaldbathar4866]

MDB Pogey! love you dude

[@MahDryBread]

@@zaldbathar4866 Thanks man!

[@NoahHunterGamble]

@@MahDryBread lol what weirdness exactly? Dudes just making a joke

[@tylamcgilverson3923]

Hey look its big league mdb. What ars you gona do continue to be cool.

[@danielnodland4072]

@@MahDryBread Hey, MDB... what fossil did you take?

[@loonychloe558]

I dont know if you touch on it later in the video but, Bao-dur is supposed to be boring and depressing. He is a man full of regret and sadness and feels responsible for all the devastation at Malachor V. IMO! He has some of the most real emotion to a character despite his monotone voice.

[@HollandTHG]

It's so refreshing to hear someone talk about the KOTOR games and not leave everyone in a sugar coma afterwards. I love the fluidity of your presentation, seamlessly transitioning between positive and negative points while also interjecting your own observations and thoughts. Quality work, both videos.

[@skippythealien9627]

This guy's kotor review pretty much sums up every reason why i refuse to pay 10 bucks on steam to get it. it really has not aged well at all Kotor 2 hasn't aged that well either, but i found it infinitely times more enjoyable when i played it again about eight-ish years ago. the restored content mod helps tremendously that being said, it is by no means a "flawless" game

[@HollandTHG]

@@skippythealien9627 I can absolutely agree there. 2 just has a lot more substance to the sidequests and areas, and KOTOR 1 is always so slooooow, going through several hours of play before you can finally do any real exploration.

[@theeast7005]

​​​@@HollandTHG Bro Kotor 1 takes hours? Kotor 2 takes an extra 2 hours to get to the galaxy map and be able to explore than Kotor 1.

[@peterb5235]

This guy certainly makes good videos, so I second this comment.

[@insertoyouroemail]

You don't have to be a force user to use a lightsaber. Remember Han activates Lukes lightsaber in Empire Strikes Back to cut open the Tauntaun.

[@wyattcampbell2077]

and after that we got Finn.

[@grimlord3181]

@@wyattcampbell2077 Finn was actually Force-sensitive.

[@grimlord3181]

And Grievous.

[@hossdelgado626]

Your right, it's just a tool. Jedi/Sith understand it better, but that's because Jedi are like monks who practice stances for harmony etc etc, and Sith have a looooot of experience using them. Anybody who found one could just pick it up and use it, but without any technique or force junk, its basically just a plasma cutter sword. (You can deflect energy bolts with a lightsaber, but most jedi/sith use the force to sense the incoming danger and react where as farm boy/ girl would have no way to do that other then reflexes and luck.)

[@BooTheGhost52]

If I recall correctly, everyone can use a lightsaber but being a force-user allows you to manipulate its insane giroscopy a lot easier, allowing you to better control the lightsaber.

[@DagothThorus]

Look at our boi stretchin' to pass 10 minute mark

[@slyseal2091]

no integrity andy

[@gabby3036]

Gotta love Czerka: "We don't understand what 'restoring nature' even *means* but whatever it is, it's both silly *and* prohibitively expensive!"

[@madgizmo2212]

So a funny thing about the dancing bit is that you can actually get Mira to do it by provoking her into doing it like the Tsundere she is.

[@ceetee3370]

She can also be a jedi

[@afqwa423]

Kreia is one of my favorite RPG villains. Part of what sold her as a character to me is that she's basically the nihilistic subversion of the wise old master trope. Basically Yoda if only Yoda were an old woman, _much_ crankier, judgmental and angry at the entire universe. Somebody who has his strength but whose life turned out all wrong and left her bitter. She's not some Palpatine either. She doesn't give a fig about galactic conquest. And despite all her lies and deception, there's one thing she's completely authentic about. She's a teacher who takes pride in her students. But she wouldn't be a Sith lord if she didn't play favorites with her children. She only has love to spare for two of them. The Dark Side part of her is basically internet neckbeard spite. She really needs to be _right_ and wants the validation of her peers and students. Being condemned for Revan's fall was a real black mark on her pride. She was attempting to win a moral victory by presenting the Exile to the Masters at the climax. And despite herself, actually being a Light Side Exile _is her ideal outcome._ She wants to prove that her methods could produce a Jedi 2.0. The synthesis of the thesis and antithesis of the Jedi and Sith conflict. A more human Jedi more in touch with his lower passions and to the people and the struggles around him and becomes better for it. Not these stiff-necked space priests that had them both tried for heretics. Having the surviving masters reject her magnum opus was more than she could bear.

[@nulolove]

This comment deserves more likes

[@ghorstbusters6238]

Well thought out and expressed comment.

[@ProcyonDei]

She's not really a "villain" though, at least not by the time you find her and she joins the crew. Your descriptions of her are extremely good though.

[@Masarys]

She was right. Loved her character also.

[@ProcyonDei]

@@Masarys Yep, this video breaks down Kreia's philosophy: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4uThGOQbdGIisk

[@LvlGenesis]

An almost 3 and a half hour salt factory video? You’ve blessed my Tuesday greatly.

[@johnnyfarted6948]

hell yeah free goods and services

[@jackbrownio3]

A blessing from the Lord

[@JambleBramble]

And on one of my favorite games ever

[@RealRotkohl]

@@JambleBramble I mean, it's arguably one of THE best games of all time.

[@FalconNest]

I have grown fond of this game over the years, and I would have loved Kotor 3 even more if Obsidian had finished it. This is the DS9 in the Star Wars franchise.

[@idrinkmilk282]

It’s better than the original kotor, especially with the mod that completes it

[@skippythealien9627]

@@idrinkmilk282 Kotor and Kotor 2 are like Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask Kotor and Ocarina of Time were games that redefined their respective franchises, but they also relied heavily on tried and true adventure formulas that were established in previous things. Both were obviously very successful Kotor 2 and Majora's Mask were games that tried to do something very different and took a lot of risks in the process. As a result, they definitely alienated fans and i admit that when I played both games it took me a while to get into both of them (MM in particular, i gave up on it and didn't touch it for about 14 years). But man were they so much more rewarding when all was said and done

[@TheCheeseMovesSideways]

@@skippythealien9627 i just realized how similar these two games are in a way, ocarina of time and Kotor 1 is the more adventurous and feel like an adventure while MM and Kotor 2 is more darker of the former

[@02Atton20]

The dancing bit on Nar Shaddaa is there because you can sneak into the door behind him by putting both him to sleep by dancing and his dogs to sleep by putting booze in their water dish. There's a conversation you can sneak and ease drop on to learn about putting the dogs to sleep.

[@Rebellions]

"Jedi Master sucks" *me, looking around at the army that's been stuck in stasis for the past 20 minutes* ...Okay

[@alexisauld7781]

"Unga bunga, hit thing good." XD

[@Gestaltzerfall]

Yeah Jedi Consular into Master is OP as hell if built right. Basically endless force points, which lets you ignore opposite force alignment penalty and just take all the best force powers.

[@tadferd4340]

@@Gestaltzerfall You can get practically unlimited force points as pretty much any class. Force Storm everything.

[@seawind930]

For me it was sentinel in to Watchmen. Everything is skill based and they give you so many extras. Of course in the original game I just used the Korriban glitch to max experience and it didn't matter how I built my character when I'm level 40.

[@ebonslayer3321]

​@@Gestaltzerfall "Infinite force points" means basically nothing in this game. Hell, as a level 20ish Jedi Guardian (not even prestiged) with pure light side and a few points into Charisma I can spam Force Storm through encounters. Master/Lord is basically worse than Consular because, while you get extra (useless) force points, you actually get less Force Powers (which do matter a little bit).

[@raptinator5088]

Mans throws in a random "I'm married" there at the end. Congragulations.

[@mina7572]

Its just one man.

[@lolnickfox]

Spoiler alert!

[@azraphon]

@@mina7572 Prove it.

@UCgFYNOx6myAXEyK-J8W7K4w If you don't speak like an idiot then these things aren't problems

[@mortalhunter7472]

I'd like to point out at 2:10:19 when he gave the visa to the women the reason he gained dark side points was because you could finde out if you had force persuasion that she is planning with some peopl to bomb a place or something.

[@LukeAaronMarsden]

This is probably my fifth time coming back to this video (fantastically comfortable content to fill the void) and every single time I have absolutely lost it at 4:35 There's just something about the juxtapositions between Salt's calm neutral voice, then the in-game narration and then the smash cut to the VERY APROPRIATE title card that hacks the funny centre of my brain.

[@rolftates451]

There's actually a upgrade you can get for HK 47 that lets him care about life and his dialogue changes dramatically to where he's a super lovey-dovey loving life kind of droid however both the player character and HK have dialogue where they're just disgusted with how he's acting so they immediately change them back and then he gets like +2 perception

[@aamirrazak3467]

Disappointed Statement: how revolting

[@MedMed-rq5fx]

Where do you find that?

[@benquinnobi6461]

@@MedMed-rq5fx I'm pretty sure you have to complete the quest with the Rodian shopkeep on Nar Shadda (Forgot her actual name) to establish trade routes and increase her stock. This means both completing Dantooine and finishing the Onderon civil war, plus siding with her over a rival shop to begin with so the quest can start. After that, she should have a new item called something along the lines of 'HK unit pacifist package', and once you buy that, you get a new dialogue prompt with HK-47 to start this interaction.

[@edwinfrerichs8674]

Oh wow! I've beaten KoTor 2 like 6 times and I never knew that!

[@k3salieri]

Bioware said: "You're not giving us enough time!" EA: "How about even less?"

[@PaulZeroSolis]

Obsidian: "Harsh deadlines that'll result in tons of cut content sitting in the code unused and loads of memory leak issues and buggy questlines as a result of all that cut content? Sign us up, we'll get you your sequel out in only a little over a year!"

[@percher4824]

i hate how often this shit happens

[@Hercules_the_Great]

Bioware: but we had a deal! EA: I am altering the deal pray I don't alter it any further.

[@ImmaSpam__________________Can]

So the reason why Visas was maxed out in the light side when you found her is because depending on the influence you have with companions your own choices that would affect your light side or dark side points will affect your companions as well, I managed to turn mandolorian to the light side from the dark side in one play through just to see if I could. I don't know if what I did was supposed to be possible but it happened

[@morarotorybread7044]

Bao-dur's voice acting comes off as a calm tech person, just there for logic, that is what I got so bias of nostalgia

[@MySqueezingArm]

I'm going to watch every minute. Get that youtube red money Salt.

[@ThePribinaczek]

I will re watch at least 2 times dont worry .

[@indylockheart3082]

Wait..if I watch with YT premium does he not get any revenue...bc that's what I do and if thats the case I need to let videos play on another profile after I watch them...im not trying to screw anybody..I just don't want to watch ads

[@MySqueezingArm]

@@indylockheart3082 As long as you pay for Premium, yes they get paid. KZbin Red was the original name for premium. Since money is calculated on watch time, me watching every minute (even the audible commercial which was hilarious) pays him just a bit more. Basically when an ad would come up, instead KZbin just throws some pennies at them. If I remember correctly a YT premium member actually ends up giving MORE than a regular member to the creator (by like 10x). But if you use an adblocker, Google doesn't see the ad spot and will not pay.

[@johnthebarbarian]

@@MySqueezingArm Today I learned

[@indylockheart3082]

@MySqueezingArm thats awesome. I don't use n ad block so its the best of both worlds...I dont have to see ads and the content creators get paid a little more...thanks for the info

[@zr03f0rt7]

Went to my moms house, tore apart the attic, definitely breathed in asbestos, found my old Xbox, thank you.

[@s0uls4nd]

Worth it

[@Ashamedofmypast]

Had to buy it again. But it actually plays great on the X

[@zetterburger]

Lol it’s on PC and MOBILE. You can even play it on mobile with the restoration mod.

[@Ashamedofmypast]

@@zetterburger perhaps he wanted to play it on the Duke for nostalgia. Or perhaps didn't feel like buying something he already owned a second time. Or any other damn reason. People are entitled to enjoy shit as they please within the bounds or moral contract.

[@destroyerlos9356]

DAMN STRAIGHT YOU DID

[@ArvelDreth]

I love how you dropped Dexterity and Intelligence when they're generally the two most important stats in the game. Intelligence nets you more skill points and helps you automatically solve a lot of puzzles. You don't need Charisma that much at all, and you definitely don't need Strength. Dexterity improves your chances of not getting hit, and increases your chances of hitting.

[@titanjakob1056]

I remember on nar shada getting my first lightsaber for the first time and assaulting the bar with it felt amazing lol

[@ihavenomouthandimusttype9729]

“Classic” and “unfinished” are two words forever associated with Obsidian aka Black Isle. Someday their publishers will let them release a finished classic that’ll rip a hole in the fabric of time. And then they’ll get to make Van Burren.

[@GermoDante]

Ohh Van Buren, I wanted to play that so much. Beyond boulder dome game a little fix and made it worse!

[@sparta2662]

Unfortunately, they did make a full game by themselves, The Outer Worlds. And from that game I really got the impression that their writing team has taken a huge hit after Chris Avellone left (Not commenting on whether or not his blacklisting was the right thing). Outer Worlds has three resolutions to every situation: Bad option number 1, bad option number 2, and compromise option that is objectively better than both bad options. There's no nuance to the story, no interesting revelations. Not going to get into politics, but I genuinely believe that a lot of the positive press from the game came from the people who enjoyed the "capitalism bad" aspect of the story and ignored how black and white every solution was. I absolutely am not saying that you can't make a good game that shows the critiques of capitalism, but The Outer Worlds really didn't reach the level of New Vegas or Kotor 2.

[@EinFelsbrocken]

OOOOOH VAN BUREN SHATTERED BY SOMEONE OR SOMETHING *_I DOUBT YOU COULD EVEN IMAGINE IT_*

[@quinnmarchese6313]

@@sparta2662 the writing was fine, they made it clear in the prerelease stuff that this would be a game about rampant capitalism during a new Manifest Destiny and it was pretty solidly written honestly, although i dont think it has a whole lot of thematic depth. the good news is that moment to moment dialogue is usually great.

[@adaptorperish1322]

@@sparta2662 I somewhat agree with your point, but they needed a game for wide audience. A solid, finished (!), decent game to be released. You can see the game is full of safe decisions, nothing risky or groundbreaking, the writing is witty and mostly good (but Boyarksy's style is still showing its ears), game mechanics are very simple, etc. I understand that and okay with it, I wish they'd done more, but hopefully with the sequel they'll be more daring.

[@BarokaiRein]

Oh man a brand new 3 hour long Salt factory video literally a minute after coming home from eating some of my mum's meatballs? Well this sure is shaping up to be a great fucking day!

[@evanshirley6089]

I’m thinking there must be a causal connection here.

[@AxxLAfriku]

ATTENTION BROTHER!!! I have two very very sweet girlfriends who I show off (I smell like 100 not-alive orangutans oh nooo) in my perfectly great videos that most people consider to be the reason of life! Thank you for you attention, dear dude kid baro

[@johnsuperits9496]

Hell yeaj

[@MySqueezingArm]

This should be a copy pasta, it's too good.

[@GearShotgun]

"An unexpected surprise but a welcome one"

[@SaraNightfire1]

I knew as soon as you started describing the villain who it was. I never played the game, but dear god, I remember the backstory to him becoming a villain and it never leaves you. It’s batshit insane, and used as an example why superweapons are probably the most damning and dangerous weapons to the Force.

[@stratuas665]

These videos really are amazing. I love your sense of humor and in depeth analysis. I always love seeing when you post new videos.

[@BR4IN1N4J4R]

It was KotOR 1 & 2 that made me truly adore the Mandalorians. Such a vivid culture

[@MeTakingAStand]

I mean they're basically Space Spartans a la 300

[@BR4IN1N4J4R]

There's a nuiance to the Mandalorians. It very much mimics the Warrior Culture stereotypes without becoming a direct clone of any of them. I have friends with the Mando'a Skull tattooed on their bodies; I have a friend who modeled his moral code on the EU Mando'a Code. And then there's Canderous Ordo: a man who gives an air of honor and dignity even if he's doing foul acts.

[@idrinkmilk282]

@@BR4IN1N4J4R they aren’t real mate

[@BR4IN1N4J4R]

@@idrinkmilk282 nah really? Couldn't tell. Clearly I'm a delusional wacko. Fully aware BTW. My sarcasm can be a bit on the rough side my dude

[@idrinkmilk282]

@@BR4IN1N4J4R you talk about them as if they're real, it's an observation.

[@metetural9140]

"Obsidian's Unfinished Classic" Do you know how little that narrows it down?!

[@alexpage4355]

Really? That's like three games: this one, Alpha Protocol, and New Vegas! Don't get me wrong! All three of those games absolutely deserve the "unfinished classic" label, but I'm honestly frustrated that Obsidian's reputation for churning out rushed, unfinished games continues to hang on after nearly a decade of solid work. When they released The Stick of Truth, I could kind of understand it. Memories of their earlier stumbles were still fresh in everyone's minds, but after Pillars of Eternity I & II, Tyranny (which had its issues, but bugs weren't exactly at the top of that list), and The Outer Worlds, though, how is it that people continue to lump them in with Bethesda in the QA department?

[@Blarglesnarfe]

Fine! "Obsidion's Unfinished Classic, that is a sequel to a game they didn't make. It's rushed, but has been patched up."

[@metetural9140]

@@Blarglesnarfe do you know how little that narrows it down?!

[@EvangelionFan-ru7ri]

@@Blarglesnarfe That doesn’t help at all.

[@alexpage4355]

@@Blarglesnarfe It also doesn't include Alpha Protocol! :( To be clear, I got the joke in the OP. I'm simply saying it's a bit like making jokes about Duke Nukem Forever's release date, at this point! Obsidian has proven they can release solid, stable games... provided the publishers give them enough time to actually finish them!

[@TheSleepiestPlurals]

the thing that gives this a few more layers is that it's not as simple as "the jedi did nothing, therefore they're cowards." Because there was a time when the Jedi did go to war. It was during the clone wars, and their becoming warriors rather than "keepers of peace" was their eventual undoing. According to the Jedi teachings the Jedi do not wage war, so following that commandment it's the right choice for the Jedi to abstain. But that's the problem with the Jedi code, it's just flawed as shit and adhering to it closely just leads to catastrophe. I like to imagine the Jedi during the clone wars learned from what happened and joined the war because they were afraid of Jedi leaving en masse like they did in the mandalorian wars. That's why they decide to fight even though Windu says "the Jedi are keepers of the peace, not soldiers"

[@madgizmo2212]

So a fun theory about Brianna (the Haidmaiden) is that her mother, Arren Kae, is actually Kreia. It doesn't matter too much, but its an interesting thing to think about.

[@Yarsig]

Anyone who's played an unpatched version of Kotor 2 really understands that "unfinished" for sure.

[@TyrJustice]

i downloaded recently too and my game keeps crashing, any tips?

[@johnathen9322]

@@TyrJustice delete system 32

[@TyrJustice]

@@johnathen9322 haha wow ur funny first time on the internet boomer?

[@benquinnobi6461]

@@TyrJustice when does it crash? Because if it's during startup then it might be the opening cinematic that's causing your problem. That's how it was for me, at least. You might be able to just mash escape when you boot the game up to work around that.

[@NICKWAPPERER117]

Its still the only version ive ever played lmao id fucking love to play the patch/complete version

[@cameronmeyferth753]

“I’m gonna go Sentinel, the class that’s really well set up for a skill and dex-defense build. I’m gonna make dexterity and intelligence lower.”

[@Green-Raccoon777]

I pick Sentinel due to the massive buffs to my CON from a maxxed out Light side bar + The Jedi Watchman prestige class.

[@bobwalrus5]

"The regular Master is useless in every way." Flaming Hot take, holy fuck.

[@cameronmeyferth753]

@@bobwalrus5 my memory is fuzzy on this part of the video, was this about the Jedi Master prestige class? He’s absolutely correct, it is very easily the worst of the three prestige classes, even for a pure caster consular.

[@Green-Raccoon777]

@@cameronmeyferth753 But Masters get double influence points with followers, so it's great if you wanna make jedi out of your party members asap.

[@bigblue207]

@@Green-Raccoon777 but, like he said in the video, the player character gets so massively OP anyway that using the party members is like a handicap. I get it adds replayability to use them more and in theory they can help balance out the weaker parts of the player character’s build but there basically never really are any weak parts. So why do I even care if my party members are Jedi or not when I honestly could solo the game, even if it takes longer

[@jakek7176]

Thanks for putting all of your handwork into creating a beautiful interpretation of this game and sharing just how close it relates to you, and in turn all of us that understand the writing of this game. Loves the shots at the end too. The outfits you and everyone are wearing look great! Favorite game of all time!! P.S. This took me about 3 days to finish. And once I did I had a good lol to see the final bit with Mandalore. 😂

[@janulrikheydorn]

Hurts a bit that Atton, Bao-Dur, Mira and the Handmaiden not all become Jedis in your playthrough 😕

[@rustyjones7908]

Personally atton gains more from levels of scoundrel than Jedi imo. Bao dur is my crafting bot if I'm not playing a sentinel.

[@andrearossi6564]

"Dxun load zones are really big and it's a problem to treck back to the ship" That's why they give you a fast travel option by talking with the scout at the gate

[@Sarkkoth]

9:40 The part I found interesting about this conversation back when I was a kid first playing it was that depending on how you answer Atton through these "exposition dumps" you're actually setting up the history of the first game without having to import a save or anything.

[@eugenideddis]

It’s also fun because if I remember correctly, Atton assumes the opposite of canon (female dark side), so it’s fun to read his interpretation.

[@nicocee2431]

@@eugenideddis And that's cool because that makes you want to correct him because Fem DS is probably the least played Revan

[@Bunge16]

Regarding Darth Nihilus, I always read his character as a version of the whole “vague evil force,“ kind of like in the fifth element. Also, he’s kind of what would happen if you took his nihilist (real subtle there, Obsidian) philosophy to its extreme. Nothing matters to him, except to feed. He doesn’t care about ideology, or race, or power. His name and past don’t matter, he just lives to consume now.

[@RyanKaufman]

The Fable music laced over your dialogue on Kreia was... spot on.

[@cympimpin20]

Watching all of the characters do everything, even typing on consoles, casually with swords in their hands, is fucking hilarious.

[@SkullLeader]

Or saluting with a lightsaber! Yikes!

[@Michael-bx8up]

That's why I really enjoyed having multiple weapon sets in this game, I kept my hands bare in the second set and would only pull my weapon out when a fight was about to start

[@jackpitman15]

a similar thing happened to me playing cyberpunk and seeing panam take a shot of whiskey whilst holding an assault rifle

[@MaitreMechant]

@@jackpitman15 that's just America

[@emilyarmstrong83]

47:25 "No way! How'd you get here before us?!" "...How DID we get here before them, Kronk?" "You got me; by all accounts it doesn't make sense." "Ah well, back to business."

[@averagejoe5245]

Dude I love your shit. I've watched this one at least 5 times over the last few months and I'm back again. Like legit full respect

[@mynameisNeo369]

A 3 and a half hour well put together retrospective on one of my favorites? This is where the fun begins, thanks!!

[@anthonyray1071]

Honestly some of the characters in KotOR 2 are phenomenal, particularly Atton and Kreia. There's just so much depth to uncover, obviously the game has its flaws but a lot of that is down to its age. It makes me hesitant about a KotOR 3 because it just wouldn't be the same, but I desperately want more content that isn't in the form of an MMO.

[@Bludgeoned2DEATH2]

Atton is fucking heartbreaking. Going either light side or dark side and talking about the Jedi he "loved" really broke me. You either convince him he was wrong for killing her or feed into his hatred more as he justifies the cruelty of his actions. Carth is nothing compared to Atton Rand.

[@eswalker02r38]

@@Bludgeoned2DEATH2 honestly I always hated how dull his character arch ended. I always lose the fight with sion because I feel like it a much more satisfying ending to his character than traya saying "he's a fool, and there's not much else to him". Having him die in the exiles arms as he admits that he loves her is a far better ending for him in my opinion.

[@nicocee2431]

You can play the MMO just like a singleplayer game actually, don't be scared of it. The character campaigns are even longer than KotOR's

[@idrinkmilk282]

@@nicocee2431 it’s actually really good too

[@aaronrodriguez1226]

Never had any bugs with the refugee quests. Those were actually some of the more satisfying payoffs. The camp layout design did fucking suck though.

[@goose4781]

Its because TSF didn't go to her husband in the docks, who is supposed to run to her, instead of her escaping. In fact, it looks like he missed that entire area

[@Pundae]

@@goose4781 I've done this quest plenty of times and never had lootra enter the refugee sector, it's always clearing the way for the wife

[@goose4781]

@@Pundae either way I'm certain you got to talk to both of them rather than just the one

[@Pundae]

@@goose4781 yes, I dont think you can tell lootra about his wife if you haven't met her yet, but im pretty sure he talks about her if you ask him why he's there or some such. He also says he can't go into the refugee sector, and needs you to get her out

[@InsideAssassin2]

@@Pundae convincing Lootra to accept the Exchange job is the best option for this quest as his job will be based out of the Refugee Sector so he will find his wife

[@simonz7027]

1:42:10 the fable 2 menu music in the background fits so well given that Kreia and the old lady in fable look identical!!!

[@Dresqus]

1:43:45 Handamiden's father was not a Jedi. His name was Yusanis, an Echani general. He didn't join Revan, he was actually killed by him in a duel

[@andrewsteelman59]

Last night I was literally thinking “I hope Salt does KOTOR 2” 💞

[@PDog-ig2dd]

He announces what game he does next on stream

[@bdquest9999]

Dude same not even joking

[@PeaneutzTV]

Can you hope I win a billion dollar? Would be helpful.

[@triton2397]

Hot take; peragus on ur first playthrough is hella weird, dark, mysterious and kinda awesome considering u have to piece everything together to figure out what happened.

[@stunt647]

Personally I enjoyed Peragus my first time through. I enjoyed solving the mystery of what happened at the station. I can agree though that it definitely dragged on a bit and can see why most people didn't like it.

[@linkhero60]

That’s the real problem the first time you play it’s amazing then every time after it’s a giant slog and not enjoyable

[@AidanMillward]

The first time it’s great, like something out of resident evil. Now I put the god mode cheat on and speed run it 😅

[@declanbennett1085]

@@linkhero60 Generally the problem with similar starting zones in most rpgs, like the dungeons that start fallout 2 or baldurs gate 2

[@himbourbanist]

It starts out a really creepy and eerie, lonely and desperate start to the game. Vastly superior to the first game's tutorial...for the first hour or so and then it really starts to get drawn out

[@TheBaldShow]

Ten year old me adored this game. Playing it sent chills down my spine, attempting to keep my allies on side and fighting Kreia at the end was iconic. I remember having trouble with the Dxun campaign and then having more trouble with Onderon. The handmaiden was too deep for young me but I’ve explored it in recent years. Atris deserved better. I play this and KOTOR roughly once a year. 29 year old me loves this game.

[@Monomiknose]

1:32:00 Something I think would have been interesting is if they all gave their own spin on the information, giving you a different piece not based on which order you see them but on their perspective. Vrook for example might see the bond as a result of your emotions, and use it to chastise you, whereas Zez-Kai Ell would be more open to philosophizing about it and Kavar would take a more tactical or even medical approach in analyzing it. Even better is if that perspective allowed them to almost sort of "specialize" at giving one of the answers. Vrook being the strongest in his Jedi convictions could probably give you a solid answer about your exile, Zez-Kai has most likely been contemplating the force more broadly than when he was a Jedi and could give a more educated answer on your "force wound", and Kavar would probably jump at the chance to poke and prod at your bond to gain a better insight on it.

[@nobody2996]

I think the best part of this game for me is the ability to roleplay. I always enjoyed the approach KOTOR 2 took to letting the player define their character. Yes, you are restricted to a specific backstory that sets up the current story (you followed people into a war you were forbidden to wage, you were a general, you were responsible for turning on a superweapon that decimated an entire planet and you were the one person who returned to your people to stand trial instead of following the rest of your army), but the entire story of the game revolves around the player character explaining their actions and defining their motivations. You meet all the people affected by those actions, you argue with people about those actions, you discuss how those actions effected you and whether you regret them or not. The player is defined enough to have a place in the setting, but with enough gaps left open for the player to give their own character there. Makes the companion conversations more interesting too, since it's not just a rather one-sided conversation of you asking for their backstory, but of them trying to understand how you tick and how you've changed.

[@venepskeuten9206]

This

[@johnnyfroggo7361]

Yep, one thing I love about this game is the backwards-roleplaying, or whatever it's called. Let's you carry forward your major decisions from the first game and decide your past in this game somewhat. I haven't seen anything like that in many other games (though I haven't played many RPGs)

[@alsaiduq4363]

Exctally. It's my favorite part, there's enough backstory but nothing too much, stop you from deciding who you are in game. Unlike say fallout 4, Cyberpunk 2077 or witcher. And yeah you indeed roleplay backwards. Lol

[@alsaiduq4363]

@@johnnyfroggo7361 People praise Disco elysium alot, seems like a game with similar premise of you dealing with what you did. Same for planetescape torment.

[@johnnyfroggo7361]

@@alsaiduq4363 Cool, I might look into it. I just got the Bioshock collection, so I've got to get through that first.

[@Tzezcatlypoca]

Salt: "I would definitely go Dark Side but these games are set up for a Light Side hero." Kreia: exists.

[@Kaarl_Mills]

*Influence Lost: Kreia*

[@shawnadams1965]

Playing the first game as darkside was one of the best things I have ever done

[@django_freeman27]

@Joshua Robin yeah, I always thought of her as the puppeteer pulling the strings to make sure the exile gets to kreias final plan. If she could "teach" you to understand her or do it by force either way she will get what she wanted.

[@cainyourkids]

@@django_freeman27 This. I also remember how many used to complain about how gaining/losing influence with Kreia was difficult and spiting her because of it, and yet isn't that the entire sum of Kreia's philosophy and what she wanted to teach you? That the important thing is to learn to decide for yourself without adhering to another person/organization's own views just to get their approval?

[@AsianTheDomination]

well the darkside ending for the first game was canon. thats why even if you say revan was lightside the republic loses anyway

[@granatmof]

Visas Mar is a character who is strongly influenced by the main character from the get go. If you're light side she's lights side. The influence is affected by things like your charisma. Within the story, the Exhile has unique gift of forming strong force bonds with the people around them. Mira the bounty hunter once she joins the crew admits following the Exhile causes her to act against her standard ways. As a Bounty hunter, she's known for refusing to kill of at all possible. Following even a light side Exhile, she finds herself readily killing hundreds of people just because she's with the Exhile, and she's horrified by it. That's what the force bonds can do to other people.light side Story wise you can convert Anton, Mira, The Handmaiden/historian and boa dur to Jedi. It's a mixed bag whether it's useful or not. There are game guides out there that tell you how to do so. In converting them to Jedi, they serve as the lost Jedi who piece the order back alongside Bastila after the Exhile joins Revan in the unknown regions to face the true Sith.

[@cashnelson2306]

this mf said exhile

[@sanctimonialis4331]

This was incredible. Not just the mod, but the video itself. The arrangement, the pacing, the commentary, reveals etc. Absolutely awesome, dude. You have serious potential for more long form commentary content. I would say it was as enjoyable to watch as any great Hbomberguy video. Me and my wife sat and watched it, start to finish, in the middle of a Sunday afternoon. Couldn't take our eyes off it. Definitely subbing. Keep it up dude!

[@fabianfischer4229]

FYI: Hanharr does join your party if you follow the Dark Side and then he is getting more fleshed out.

[@kentuckyfriedchildren5385]

I was dark side and didn't get him

[@bigzed7908]

Kreia makes it a slave to the Exile.

[@Cunnysmythe]

@@kentuckyfriedchildren5385 I think you have to be Dark side enough, I'm pretty sure you got Mira if you're neutral too

[@kentuckyfriedchildren5385]

@@Cunnysmythe Yup got Mira instead

[@Cunnysmythe]

@@kentuckyfriedchildren5385 Maybe go all-out villainous next time If you play darkside stupid like I did when I was 20 and murder everyone you can and disrespect Kreia when she tries to advise you, you can bottom out her influence and find out her whole life story before you're halfway through Telos

[@AndyJP]

Kreia is Avellone's best character, and he's written some awesome characters

[@bigtimetimmyjim6486]

Kreia is one of the greatest characters in all of gaming.

[@gladspooky9455]

Half-written. He never meets deadline.

[@Azriel884]

I just started playing swtor, and im loving it. And when kreya said that a sith empire awaits beyond the outer rim, i was like, word? And it all makes sense.

[@pelicanofpunishment6]

I’d also suggest reading the Revan novel. Explains what happened to Revan between the two KotOR games and then the exile after 2. Also leads nicely onto SWtOR with the flash points and Shadow of Revan expansion.

[@pray4matt]

I just woke up to this playing and Im not even mad it was very relaxing.

[@jedodom3056]

Love how at the end Salt just goes: "I'm married now."

[@1Fye]

I was just about to comment this, so much of an afterthought I bet a bunch of people missed it haha

[@Anthony05171998]

That’s an accurate tone

[@GodWorksOut]

I hope it goes well. If it doesn’t, he might stop making this exceptional content.

[@Apolonirr]

SPOILERS

[@jedodom3056]

@@Apolonirr If you don't want spoilers, why are you looking through the comments?

[@VenomLion]

Kreia is one of my favorite characters of all time. Her motivations and views on the force is probably the most interesting thing in any Star Wars media for me.

[@chemicalconfusion6164]

Yeah it’s great, Star Wars never been explored like that before, although yes the game and some of her character is a bit unpolished

[@gladspooky9455]

But her motivations don't make sense. She preaches not acting unless you have all the information you need, then complains about the Jedi doing the same thing. She complains about how the Force can make you complacent, and then spends the entire game using the Force like crazy. Her dialogue is just written flowery,. Flowery dialogue = good, I guess.

[@garg0yl3]

@gladspooky, what she tries to do is teach you that putting trust, support, dependencies on any other person or thing is a possible weakness that can be exploited by someone else in your detriment. The idea is for you to realize that anything and everything in this universe is a possible tool for you to use to further your own goals, listening to the universe, observing society and the flow of people, wishes, struggles and interests, abd then finding the point of leverage in those in order to gain more power / influence / freedom of action / anything that you need. Everything is moving, nothing is static, and all movement rubs and intersects with other different flows in complex ways. She doesn't care what you want to do with this knowledge, but the idea is to not let distractions, relationships and beliefs weaken you. Of course, she does have an ulterior motive, which makes it all the more interesting. Sadly, I am incapable of accurately explaining her and her mentality, but what i can say is that she is possibly the only true gray jedi in the franchise, having seen both dark side and light side of the force, acknowledging the strengths and flaws in both of them, and then being cut of from the force and acknowledging that lacking a connection with the force is harrowing, but not necessarily a weakness in and of itself. The force doesn't care what its users do with it. The force doesn't care if there is light and dark side. The force only cares about bringing everything back to a state of balance, to the detriment of any and all the wills of each individual force user. It is relentless, uncaring and imovable. And that's what she despises most about it, a fact which can be observed through one of the endings of this story. She is an amazing caracter, but not one that tells you anything in your face, but that rather leads you to her way of thinking by giving you little clues and little pushes here and there. I truly hate that there is no true gray path in this game. I would have loves to play as a true gray jedi

[@WikiHL]

​@@gladspooky9455 Kreia is a hypocrit with a shallow philosophy, but uses a lot of fancy words, truly believes herself to be smart and her lines are delivered by a great voice actress. Explains why so many people buy her bs

[@L00MIS26]

Been subbed on her and on twitch for a while now :) love coming back and watching. kotor 2 is my favorite

[@Ryxbar]

I appreciate you going into so much depth and giving so much care and attention, even through the rougher bits, to a game that meant a lot to me as I was growing up and something I really love. Due to the KOTOR series, I have always loved the Old Republic storyline over the cinematic timeline. I believe this game is exceedingly well written and I thank you for giving it so much exposure ^.^

[@TaaKissa]

"Obsidian's Unfinished Classic" thats not very specific

[@D00000T]

especially when they have 2-3 other games that can also fall under that label

[@Overphased]

@@D00000T thank you captain obvious, could you explain the joke a bit more please?

[@User-ge7ni]

@@D00000Tthat’s what they just said

[@khatmar]

Anybody can use a lightsaber - remember Han on Hoth: "And I thought they smelled bad on the outside."

[@richedawg]

Geek facts. Lightsabers have multiple igniters including force activated and pressure sensitive. And no you do not need to be force sensitive to use one. See Moff Gideon on The Mandalorian.

[@marisbrooding9347]

@@richedawg as well as Pre Viszla, Bo Katan, Gar Saxon, and Sabine Wren as other non-force sensitive darksaber users alone. Sabine also used Ezra Bridger's saber in an episode. Plus that episode in tcw where the lady stole Ashoka's lightsaber and attacked her with it, as well as Holocron heist where the shapeshifter attacks Ahsoka with Madame Nu's saber, and the episode where Cad Bane attacks Obi Wan with Quinlan Vos' saber. Also, grievous. I think the confusion stems from it being very very difficult to use a lightsaber *well* without the force (though still possible), and generally not at the same level as a Jedi without other gadgets to offset the disadvantages (like Mandos with the dark saber)

[@marisbrooding9347]

@Joseph Ellis oh 100%

[@TheLikenessOfNormal]

@@marisbrooding9347 the confusion comes from Disney Star Wars making their canon that ONLY force sensitive people can turn on lightsabers. Its in Fallen Order and disney's TCW.

[@marisbrooding9347]

@@TheLikenessOfNormal non force users use sabers in tcw tho. The jumping lady from lightsaber lost, pre viszla with the darksaber, and the time cad bane steals quinlan voss' saber off the top of my head. Also Gar Saxon uses the darksaber in rebels, and Sabine uses the darksaber and ezra's saber after being trained. Don't believe anything is specified in fallen order, though you're right we only see force users doing it. Also, han solo did it in esb. Canon is that it's very hard to effectively wield a saber, especially without the force, cause it's a heavy handle with a weightless blade. But it's certainly not impossible to fight with one, let alone turning it on.

[@mazltar]

57:10 not having to worry about Kreia nagging you. *proceeds to FaceTime you via the force*