DPP Ubers - The Greatest Metagame of All Time

[@marcoasturias8520]

BKC: friendship with ADV ended. DPP ubers is my best friend now!

[@rustyshackleford1846]

BKC, in my humble and honest opinion, you put out some of the most amazing and in depth competitive Pokemon content ive ever seen. The amount of metagames you touch on and all the information you share is something crazy cool especially for someone like me who wants to learn more about older metas. You are a master at your craft dog. A Pokemon master. Keep up the awesome work man!

[@shady8045]

i love how common this opinion is. BKC truely deserves it, calling him a "pokemon master" is not only corny as hell but a gross understatement, cause he is a pokemon prodigy

[@demetriusdemarcusthe88thof99]

bro is meat riding like crazy

[@PastPerspectives11]

@@demetriusdemarcusthe88thof99 look fellas we got another phrase saye so funny man

[@rubeng9092]

Ariados beats Deoxys-S? How lit can a Metagame even be?!

[@Colteor7761]

Wow BKC sounds more excited than literally ever, glad you get the chance to talk about your favourite meta!

[@alexvirgen4584]

Can’t wait to see Parasect putting in work in Ubers

[@ShinyTillDawn]

wait till you get to vgc2010 ;)

[@deeznoots6241]

@@ShinyTillDawn early VGC and gen 5 OU, both metagames dominated by rain teams

[@SqueezeBakon]

@@deeznoots6241 parasect is not good in gen 5 ou lol.

[@deeznoots6241]

@@SqueezeBakon anything is viable in gen 5 OU if it counters Keldeo

[@tootsie_]

@@deeznoots6241 yeah but Parasect does not really do that.

[@olympusgolemoflight7198]

Don’t forget, Shedninja is one of the hardest Kyogre counters as well.

[@marcoasturias8520]

aNcIeNt pAwAH!!!1!!

[@empoleonforlife1717]

I tested it. It dies after rocks

[@pichuflash2769]

@@empoleonforlife1717 lol

[@catandfishfc]

PARASECT!

[@olympusgolemoflight7198]

@@catandfishfc Ice Beam.

[@blaster.m1943]

>quagsire is viable without unaware Based?

[@graylyhen9490]

Ok based? Ok quagpilled?

[@IschmarVI]

quag

[@ultimatehope549]

Quagsire consistently being a check to the most dangerous Pokémon in the metagame is an underdog story for the ages

[@Mijzelffan]

Is there a chance you could make a video where you go more in-depth on what exactly Arceus changed to the meta and why you hated it? I would be interested on hearing more on that topic

[@gabrieldevoogel6225]

How good was Arceus exactly does a decent job for what info FSG covers (meaning they just say what the forms were good at without much more then general terms for ramifications on the metagame as a whole)

[@troykv96]

I must be new to this channel, because I just discovered today that DPP!Arceus joined to the very exclusive group of Pokémon that have been banned of ALL of the (Singles) Competitive Ladders of their respective Gen: Anything Goes. A Tier that was originally created to contain Mega Rayquaza's complete absurd design, now it also holds Zacian and DPP!Arceus.

[@TigerT242]

Super. Star. I love ya BKC! You really make my day when you upload. This channel may be about fanmade metagames about the past generations of a children's JRPG but you're definitely one of my favorite YTbers.

[@beechteeth]

This is my new favorite channel. I love extra-long, in-depth videos about Pokemon metagames and changes and this is just right up my alley.

[@ktvx.94]

BKC: "thank god that god was banned from the tier"

[@mateohuf3811]

I love listening to bkc talk instead of sleeping

[@soreay621]

Gen 4 Anything goes is awesome. Get that hypno with belly drum, than baton pass to deoxys attack. You can see where this is going.

[@Klaire_Fluffle]

"Maybe I'll host a DPP Ubers tournament!"

[@nexenojustice552]

?

[@howaboutsomecorn8592]

finally finished this vid over a couple of days i'm glad you're giving tiers other than OU highlight they need the love

[@TheBrownestFalcon]

that Ariados bit at the end is incredible

[@ISalamenceI]

Old Pkmn player too. I agree that this metagame was amazing to play back in the days. Honestly, every tier was exciting to play in 4th gen.

[@jenisia3600]

This

[@notimpressedbyyourm4932]

Never played this tier but I’m excited to learn

[@lasen_]

Glad to see this tier getting some love!

[@TheHero136]

The most hilarious addition to Gen IV Ubers is Ariados. A surprisingly competent lead that can beat Deoxys Speed leads and Darkrai leads. And lay down Toxic Spikes, which I find hilarious.

[@thebestworst8002]

1:12 there’s a gen 2 pu? If gastly is in gen 2 nu, what’s in pu?

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

www.smogon.com/forums/threads/gsc-pu-discussion-thread.3671458/

[@megamind2379]

Gastly is not good at all in GSC NU according to the VR

[@typhlosion108]

Big if true, love seeing these overlooked pokemon see action.

[@dawn2955]

@@megamind2379 I’m an extremely avid GSC NU player, and I think Gastly is really bad since it fails to provide any defensive utility besides blanking Explosion. it’s extremely frail and inconsistent

[@thebestworst8002]

So elekid and poliwhirl are top threats?

[@HenryMiranda1001]

Damn, Kevin really does this shit. Props man. Great video.

[@wumbology72]

i've only played gen 7 ubers and I'm quite surprised that dialga was s tier in gen 4. Palkia isnt that bad in gen 7 but dialga never seems to do much other than set rocks and draco before dying. Maybe it will be good again in gen 8 with the primals (hopefully) out of the picture though I doubt it with it being a steel that can't check xerneas

[@pc31754]

It’s a bit of the steel typing that makes it a defensive powerhouse in gen 4, but newer generations balanced types in such a way that dialga doesn’t see outstanding traits that it used to.

[@Sleeper800]

The meta just shifted as the gens went on. Having a dragon that wasn't weak to dragons was super cool before fairies. In gen 7 Dialga is mainly just a steel type that can't check Xerneas, and it's also not great against Primal Groudon without Shuca.

[@redreboot483]

steel dragon used to be an absurd defensive typing

[@fryphilip7474]

Ok

[@themightykv-5410]

Dialga isn't bad at all, it just doesnt fit into the current metagame. Same as Palkia in Gen 8 Ubers. Also, I love using Choice Specs Dialga, it can catch players off guard and destroy their mons as they use Taunt.

[@RisingJericho]

Arceus was kicked out of Ubers????? Holy shit, count me in!

[@lorenzo689]

I wish community subtitles were still around so i could make some and send these AWESOME videos to my friends, fr these are amazing but i can't share them with anyone

[@criskooo2802]

Can't wait to see his one hour long essay about Arceus being dumb in uber on the "How good was Arceus actually" video

[@reptiledisfunction9232]

its avalible on Roa spotlight rn :3

[@shady8045]

i like it because its where dialga peaked and that mon is probably my favorite legendary next to mewtwo, it just kept descending lower and lower until it was out of the game in gen 8 (and unusable in nat dex) edit: good that its back now but its still limited in viability, due to being outclassed by dusk mane

[@tangramman]

Wow, I remember playing on Shoddy Battle, brings back memories. DPP UU for GOAT metagame.

[@itsyaboi1245]

Goddamn shoddy battle 2010 throwback right there

[@pablobear4241]

Shoddy was the shiz

[@nuclearcoconut3664]

i was a kid and had no idea what i was doing but i remember it being so much fun :')

[@oqo3310]

51:00 Don't mind me, just putting timestamps for myself

[@robottome7456]

This metagame seems fun. One thing I like about it is that I love all the designs of the Pokemon in DPP Ubers.

[@unclebenandcracka]

i loved this meta. i loved bulk up dialga and wow mewtwo too. never thought of light screen mewtwo just had boring ass ice beam

[@McBawse]

Wow I remember absolutely loving Diamond/Pearl Ubers, that was the first ladder I got a good rank on way back in the day. Even before platinum and I hated Arceus as well, hardly played after that.

[@thekrampusclaus4148]

Rip shedinja, man it has fallen off.

[@thekrampusclaus4148]

@Flying Rat gen 3 ubers was a kinder meta to shedinja (although no focus sash hurt)

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

@Flying Rat I'd argue it was better in gen 6. Yes, it has to contend with the Tao trio, but hazards were so easy to remove that some people just wouldn't even run them, it could play around the primals fabulously, and if it came in on a Xerneas Geomancy, Xern usually had to switch out in shame, and essentially be a liability. Shedinja also thus enabled a lot of unusual meta picks that you normally can't run because it lets Xern in.

[@pirateclick1d169]

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 yeah but gen 3 had no rocks at least

[@RisingJericho]

Lugia is a lot lower on this tier list than I expected, I always heard the tales from FalseSwipeGaming and Serebii about how legendarily tanky it can be.

[@BlueNavigationUnit]

gen 4 seems like a low point for Lugia cus of stealth rock, and multiscale isn't available till gen 5

[@TheGaboefects]

Hey how does the legality of pokemon in competitive play works on pokemon obtained via glitches like the void glitch and the pal park repel glitch? With the ladder you can, without cheating methods find and catch a lv80 arceus from the hall of original which can be fully EV trained. Sometimes i gather with friends from collage on my house and do this improvised dpp tournaments for cash with our own tier which is basically OU but you can have one uber pokemon and fights have broke out over the legallity of using arceus even in our made up format which i find it hilarious.

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

glitches like that are considered too far. you can glitch a "legal" sleep powder + spikes roserade, but we don't allow that either.

[@TheGaboefects]

@@BKCplaysPokemon Whoa! Really?! Those are egg moves right? I have never heard of that before, How can you put multiples on one pokemon? Well, this is just my opinion, but i think that example is a little different from arceus because the roserade is doing something unintended by the developers while the hall of origin event didnt happen not because full ev trained arceus would be too broken (which it is) but because they thought the event was too complicated (which i dont think it was)

[@hairyfroglegs]

Wow I didn’t realize you liked anything more than ADV OU

[@icxcarnie]

i know nothing about early gen tiers but you make want to learn them

[@moosejuice9909]

Your Recommended Videos are S-tier

[@olivergro7105]

Id really love dpp ubers if i wouldnt need to decide between taking a speed tie or not so often. It just feels bad to speed tie.

[@sephikong8323]

I personally slightly prefer gen 5 Uber but gen 4 Uber is quite fire as well

[@josephparkes6412]

Gen4 was my fav. OU and UU were great as well

[@MetagrossOverlordX]

Haven't watched vid yet, but "DPP Ubers - The Greatest Metagame of All Time" is a weird way of spelling "BW2 Ubers - The Greatest Metagame of All Time" 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

bw is pretty great, I'll make a video about it as well. doesn't touch dpp though.

[@vivienjoly7617]

@@hailsnover6214 more stupid xerneas

[@howaboutsomecorn8592]

In the same vein of Ariados being "viable", isn't Parasect usable as well because dry skin and its grass typing let it come in on king kyogre and fire off Spore? And if the Kyogre is a sleep talk set you can just wear it down with Giga Drain. I'd like to hear your input.

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

yeah, if ariados is being mentioned, may as well mention parasect. tspikes are a lot more generally effective than spore though. also giga drain sucks in dpp and parasect has 0 spatk, you'd use seed bomb.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

I don't know nothin' about nothin', but I'd guess that even though it's Kyogre's distant third move slot behind its choice of water move, then Thunder, Kyogre probably runs Ice Beam enough that if you need to out Kyogre so badly that you are dipping into low tiers to hard wall it, you're better off not taking the risk of losing your counter to a fairly reasonable move choice.

[@Seinsmelled]

@@BKCplaysPokemon sbeed somb

[@harb1ng3r82]

The greatest metagame of all time for the last year before they tragically ruined it earlier this week. RIP Farceus. Gone too soon. Your absence will be felt forever. /s

[@dudesk099]

This but without the /s

[@awoolensleevelet]

Yo bonus length thank you bkc we are blessed

[@oliverblue9968]

DPP UBERS IS BACK IN ROA SPOTLIGHT WOO

[@catandfishfc]

Wynaut is great because 2 Wobbuffets are better than 1!

[@degradaddy2636]

Where does the name Ruins of Alph come from?

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

gsc ingame. it's a fitting name for the old gens.

[@degradaddy2636]

Thanks guys!

[@pc31754]

get it cause “alpha-bet” cause unowns are letters haha

[@Carnius797]

You’re 93 years old and you don’t know what ALF is?!?

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Guys, I lost my Persian at the ruins of Alf, can you help me look for it? I heard an outdated pop culture reference around the time it vanished, if that helps.

[@dodusa5399]

you forgot to mention parasect the clutch kyogre counter

[@austinhensley6553]

unpopular opinion BW1 UU on po was the best metagame to ever exist

[@typhlosion7872]

One thing I wish you mentioned with Ludicolo was the less seen Swift Swim set as it isn't only a great counter to Kyogre, but also a great pokemon to deal a chunk to Groudon on the switch with Grass Knot. Rain Dish is definitely more common, being able to trivialize Kyogre with a 4x resist (even if in rain), Leech Seed, Protect, and Substitute to continuously chip away at Kyogre and weaken it's Water Spout, but you can't deny how valuable Swift Swim can be.

[@scene6765]

technically, you were also able to obtain arceus by going into the void, but they fixed that in platinum. but i can understand why it didn’t count as a “legal” way of obtaining it.

[@stealthy9156]

Da fuq is typhlosion doing here? Sun eruption spam?

[@Dankyjrthethird]

sounds kind of fun not gonna lie

[@c2_pikalee73]

We did it we got it in the ruins spotlight

[@SK-wz7kh]

Great vid and great meta I love it rylly but could you maybe read out the sets loud cause I'm using this like a podcast if you know what I mean :)

[@llamaryder1]

Came back to this after playing a shitload of dpp ubers since it's an OM of the month. I've played some in the past but have been absolutely loving it lately. My biggest surprise was just how good lucario is. IMO it's even better than in OU. After trying it out just for shits I ended up realizing how bonkers it is late game. It doesnt even matter that it's set is 100% predictable, the 3 standard attacks are literally all it requires and I find it cleans up more games than not. regardless of whether or not it wins the game, I've never found it to be dead weight. just something really cool I noticed as I'm not a really big fan of using it in OU. I honestly feel like its speed tier is the biggest hindrance, but with all the ubers being around that speed and rarely running max +spe unless choiced it doesnt matter. Maybe I'm just used to shit like gen 8 ubers where you need a freakin Scarf on dugtrio and over a quarter health of chip just to revenge a zacian, but it's a really nice change of pace. Thanks for the video!

[@loftilywrongly3483]

31:52 Little did he know...

[@chrisf.9595]

DPP Ubers? More like Kyogre's playground amirite

[@JoeSmith-db4rq]

The Giratina/Tina Fey thing is so BKC and I love that so much 😂😂😂

[@sumthinorother9615]

Assuming the remakes only have gen 4 Pokémon, no megas, how do you think new items, moves, and the fairy type could change the meta?

[@leonardobarbosatelles2779]

Hey BKC,do you think Arceus is busted only in DPP or is it a thing for you in every gen?

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

only in dpp, I think it's fine in bw and later. it can be a little crazy but nothing outrageous compared to the other pokes in the tier

[@matthewgreutman9810]

Awesome content. Thank you

[@Bluejaysrock77]

Are there any replays/big games of Ariados doing work?

[@bl00dkillz]

Nobody: Bkc: 'its really nasty' P.S: here for the algorithm

[@ogot344]

congrats fren

[@BlueNavigationUnit]

Would Arceus be more balanced/worth bringing back with a 0 EV restriction?

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

probably but not worth it

[@ungulatemanalpha]

ubers ariados PogChamp

[@jaredcooper8742]

Seems like a fire tier

[@Legogreens]

I know smogon doesn't do "complex" bans BUT if certain arceus forums were allowed which ones would be the most balanced for DPP Ubers? Bug, Ice? Etc

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

anything with an sr weakness, probably

[@rantoxdarkpredator48]

BKC - Did you write the script for Sceptile on false swipe gaming?

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

no, that was before I joined. my first was kangaskhan.

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

Why don’t they have every single tier for every gen?

[@mitrimind1027]

Can't say Arceus without saying arse.

[@LlDDSLl]

you know what this is great and all but im ready for more mystery dungeon i think

[@thomashaverford6207]

UBERS CONTENT

[@bakurasensei]

They finally got rid of fuckboy Arceus? Thank god. Might actually play this again.

[@beanson2323]

Competitive Pokemon: the only place where you can hate God.

[@hungryfoodies8870]

Have you ever played adv 1v1?

[@ArtisanAspirationWorks]

Forretress could've had Pain Split and could chip damage better.

[@nicocabanillesmartinez2958]

btw how could be playing this metagame?

[@sk4diddle571]

There is a website called Pokemon showdown where you can

[@mattb7847]

No fucking way. Arceus is banned?

[@ortiz5475]

Are you a slav?

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

ano

[@ortiz5475]

@@BKCplaysPokemon Damn, your english is amazing.

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

ty but it's not very impressive, I'm half american

[@ortiz5475]

@@BKCplaysPokemon Oh, I see... Anyways, love your videos man. I hope the algorithm favors you

[@adamkaris]

I had no clue that was the case. I just assumed you just had weird ads or a vpn

[@wollie4649]

Vgc17 was the best meta

[@The-Man-of-Pepsi]

Choice specs kyogre

[@Gnolte]

A lot of people also hate arceus in vcg (A rceus D ialga P alkia)

[@robertoalexandermendezmore408]

Remember when darkrai was actually good? This guy does

[@0ater]

dpp ou will forever be the best format, 2nd best was gen 5 ou, 3rd best was gen 5 nu

[@fandenovelas777]

They banned arceus :P

[@pikminologueraisin2139]

gen2 pu xD

[@sakhomohamed6071]

.

[@tecul1]

what does dugtrio do :v

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

punish choiced thunders, finish chipped dialga/palkia/kyogre. it can feasibly run adamant too. it's pretty gimmicky, but it's got its place.

[@TheDunsparceGames]

all i understood from this video is that bkc has a serious arceus hate boner i bet he hates all ubers after dpp except swsh because they have arceus in them

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

I love bw ubers, actually.

[@TheDunsparceGames]

@@BKCplaysPokemon oh pleasant surprise my b

[@clayvision]

B/w2 ubers better dont @ me

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

@

[@clayvision]

@@BKCplaysPokemon oh snap!

[@et34t34fdf]

Game mechanics aside, i dislike Arceus just for being a dumb concept(and design).

[@alex.polychronopoulos4487]

Hmm, I don't know about design, always thought it looked very interesting. I may agree with the concept being a bit... off though.

[@et34t34fdf]

@@alex.polychronopoulos4487 Its a combination, this goat-looking thing is the ruler of the universe? Thats just duuuuuumb, dont know what gamefreak were thinking with that one.

[@alex.polychronopoulos4487]

@@et34t34fdf If I'm going to nitpick, the goat is very present in Revelations, biblical imagery etc. Many People speculate Giratina is a representation of Lucifer (Distortion world = Hell), whilst I would speculate Palkia and Dialga could be considered archangels. Just food for thought tbh, always loved making theories for this stuff.