DPReview TV: Sony a7R IV Sneak Peek

[@jan-hendrikbussmann4644]

You keep saying in the video that this is such a crappy production... but in just under seven minutes it delivered a lot more details than most of the other "A7R IV first impressions" out there and made me laugh a lot as well. If this is low production value, feel free to continue.

[@lomarvgc1580]

This is a photo camera that can shoot video. The a7siii is a video camera that can shoot photos, the a74 is a combination and the a9 is for sports

[@TKN_NTBY]

Perfect summary!

[@izopen]

Flipping hell was just go to write this down 😂 it’s a photo camera first and foremost!

[@jayonair]

I just dont know if SONY will or will not release A7S3

[@MichaelRichards983]

Ummm....yeah, DP and we know that as well but thanks for stating the obvious.

[@noxlupi1]

@@jayonair I think A73 kind of took over the A7S.. And since 1080p is kind of yesteryear, it makes very little sense to come out with a small mp multipurpose camera. The only technical advantage the A7S2 had was the smaller MP sensor, which gave the chip headroom for more processing, but the new CPU has power enough to do the same on the 24mp sensor in the a73, they could keep the 12mp sensor and have even more headroom, but for what? Until they figure out what to use the extra power for, it makes no sense to do that. Perhaps if they made a 16 bit full color sensor it would make sense but that would kick the price out of the normal consumer ballpark for now. But you never know ;)

[@MrComet97]

I know this camera isn't for me it seems aimed at the advanced portrait photographer or landscape photographer. People who want to jump to crazy high megapixels without spending $4,000-$10,000 on a medium format camera like a GFX or Hasselblad. This is seriously an amazing option for people like that.

[@brois841]

Let's not forget wildlife photographers who want the extra res to be able to crop and still shoot at the same FPS as the A7R III. It now comes with the better AF system which was holding the A7R's back when it comes to further reach when using TC's.

[@KrunoslavStifter]

A very sensible reply. vs the more common reply along the lines of "no one asked this" or "who needs that many MP". People apparently have a hard time saying. Its not for me but I can see it being for someone else. Kudos for sensible reply.

[@Innovate-pq9ci]

This one is $3500 though so it's almost the same.

[@rokupixruiqi368]

@@Innovate-pq9ci Factoring price of lens? can be shared with with a7iii or eventually a7siii, overall still cheaper and less bulky to carry around

[@Innovate-pq9ci]

@@rokupixruiqi368 Depends on your needs yes. MF is not FF, FF is not APS-C. Each has strengths and weaknesses relative to other formats.

[@Rationalific]

Richard: "The rear dial has been slightly redesigned to be more comfortable." Jordan: "Hmm..." Richard: "In theory." What I like about Jordan and Chris are that they don't just read spec sheets, but give their honest opinions. That's why I really like their show.

[@KyleClements]

I love Jordan's shirt.

[@lyouseki]

shirt first; shoot second; safety third.

[@intothehyde]

You might have thought this was an unpolished video but it gave me much more useful information than all the other videos out there currently. I don't know why I bothered to watch the others. Looking forward to the full breakdown.

[@thirdmort]

As much as I like the other photo youtubers, most of them just fanboyed out after drinking too much kool-aid cough*Kai*cough. I like how they showed the Pros AND the Cons. I'll never own this camera (I'm more into the a7iii), but I like it when a reviewer can point out the weaknesses of something so that you can better estimate if the product is for you or not. Great Job DPReview!

[@intothehyde]

@@thirdmort exactly my thoughts too.

[@premiumbitter]

Is there any indication the pixel shift will deal with motion better? Can I use it for a landscape shot with slow-moving clouds without motion artifacts, or is it just the ultimate way to photograph a fruit and cheese plate?

[@geoffreybassett6741]

The ability to set different color profiles for stills and video has been WAY overdue. Glad they finally added that.

[@deathdoor]

So surreal to watch a video here Jordan is the one who interrupts (as it should be).

[@brois841]

Or not...

[@waisrainy]

This first look seems quite a bit more direct and honest than the other ones in my feed. Kudos.

[@siamak1]

Where do I get your Safety Third? I love it.

[@whothinksforme]

What the hell happened with the S3?

[@MichaelRichards983]

Supposedly Sony has 3 more cameras to announce....maybe we will get it

[@andgainingspeed]

It isn't ready. Sony has already alluded to some of the technical/performance goals affecting the timeline. I wonder if Sony will just skip the number 3 since when the next S arrives it will likely have some of the same body features as the fourth generation R. Hopefully the A7S 4 releases during the current calendar year. Along with a new flagship APS-C housed in the same 4th generation body to allow for amazing IS and all the other body upgrades (ergonomics, dual UHS-II, interfaces, etc) that we see in the R4.

[@FTropper]

Jordan is so relax in front of the camera. Is it Chris and not the camera who makes him nervous?! ;-)

[@ThePhotographyHobbyist]

Overall a very nice camera but I think at this point they should slow down a little and focus on various refinements like a more organized menu system and little things like that. Just a variety of little things. Not too much I can think of that would be a major flaw (for me). Even with the menus being as crazy as they are, once you spend time to customize your personal menus, you rarely need to deep dive into the full menus.

[@jawedafzali4936]

as a wedding photographer, the grey focus point has to be one of the most frustrating things to deal with while you are trying to capture a fast moving moment. can we have feature on the A73 like ASAP?!?

[@carmagnole]

Where is Chris?

[@niccollsvideo]

I had a pretty awesome fishing trip that was booked before the Sony announcement. I think Jordan did a great job on his own!

[@hidekigomi]

Jordan wasn’t impressed, that’s all I needed to know!

[@arthurzhaoran]

I am actually quite interested in the high iso performance. From several sample photos, it looks rather good at 12800, which looks much better than a7r3 right now.

[@Stefan1968ful]

The sensor of the Sony A7R4 has the same pixel pitch as the sensor of the Fuji GFX100. I am wondering what that means to the high ISO performance or low light performance of both cameras - in comparison. Eventually they are close.

[@xmlthegreat]

What does pixel pitch mean? And how do you calculate it for different size sensors?

[@Stefan1968ful]

Akshay Anand You better start reading the basics of photography, dude. I can’t believe it.

[@xmlthegreat]

@@Stefan1968ful I asked a simple question, if you don't want to answer at least don't be dismissive of people.

[@Stefan1968ful]

Akshay Anand Sorry, but sometimes people here on KZbin ask questions where they already know the answer. To make it simple, check the link here: www.omnicalculator.com/other/pixels-per-inch#how-to-calculate-ppi-the-theory

[@Enlightenment_2025]

EVF 1) 5.76M dot @ 60Hz 2) Less than 5.76M dot @ 120Hz

[@CatMasseurWithoutBorder]

So true

[@ziginox]

I don't see why they found that so weird. The a6500 (and a6400, I'd assume) do it as well.

[@officialtiimo]

Lame.

[@officialtiimo]

@@ziginox It would be nice to at least have the option of keeping both high speed and high resolution on at the same time in exchange for more battery. I wouldn't mind, the battery life on these things is insane anyway.

[@peregrineslim4446]

91% Gold Award. I'll save you some time.

[@MichaelRichards983]

Too high, we're looking at 84% max professionally saying.

[@PK-ql5en]

What for? More megapixels and all the issues the old one had? Lossless raw compression and a high res touchscreen anyone? We should be more critical if we are spending serious money. Actually there is nothing truly innovative or exciting about this camera. Animal eye af? Please...

[@buddyWalrus]

Will go up 2% with each firmware update

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

@@PK-ql5en For beating out the competition on basically everything except video, which was never the R series' strong point. That's how DPR rates cameras. Against their competition.

[@PK-ql5en]

Christian Fiore If the company can sort out some basic issues while they are at 4th model, that should be definitely taken under consideration. Adding more megapixels doesn’t solve anything.

[@aaronjonellhall1937]

BEST.A7R.4.VIDEO.PREVIEW.ALL.CAPS.PERIOD!!!!!

[@photographerjonathan]

you can nit pick about a few things, but overall this camera is amazing, it's actually in many ways, the most advanced. best camera on the Planet Earth, but it's not for everyone, and if you want a video camera wait for the a7s lll, if you want great silent shutter, get the A9, if you want small file sizes at a lower price, get the A7lll, but wow this A7r 4 is really a power house. for starters its the best mirrorless apsc camera ever made. and on top of that you get the highest mp full frame ever made with the A9 auto focus system with realtime tracking, wireless tethering, fully weather sealed, improved ergonomics, two UHS ll card slots, colored focus points, it's like a medium format image quality but with A9 focusing that blows away the focusing of the Fuji or Hasselblad. and it's $3500 dollars, not $10.000. and it has a full lens lineup, including f1.4 lenses and now even an f1.2 lens. I would love to see the new Sigma 35 f1.2 art lens tested on this camera. Go Lakers ,,,,,, I mean Go Sony This is an amazing camera, I just wish Sony would finally give us a fully functional touch screen.

[@thecircletv4271]

Hey DPReview, can someone explain what a mega pixel is? (Asking for a friend)

[@ShirowSan]

One Million Pixels

[@thecircletv4271]

@@ShirowSan Thanks man! What's a pixel again? (Again, asking for a friend...)

[@pjw2000]

​@@thecircletv4271 Pixels are the metric used to measure resolution. In other words, a pixel is one of the tiny dots that make up an image. The more of them you have, the sharper and more detailed your images can be.

[@thecircletv4271]

@@pjw2000 Thank you soO much! I love this community. So much willingness to share knowledge. Thanks again.

[@klackon1]

Cracking T - shirt Jason.

[@HandleName_CB]

any plane for fp?

[@PeterGregg]

Recording time limit for video? Same poor weak hdmi plug? Same can't use hdmi & WiFi control at the same time? Same can't use af focus assist of the external flash unit? A few questions I'm curious about.

[@mblapsiwala]

Does image down sampling from higher Megapixel to lower megapixels in post reduces the noise and improves the overall look of the image? For that matter, down sampling from 24 MP to 16 versus 42 to 16 shows up any difference on the end result? Anyone having idea about this, may guide me... Thanks in advance for your time and consideration to comment!

[@Wynner3]

I have no use for a camera like this, but curious why Sony still doesn't use XQD cards in any of their cameras. It's so much faster than SD cards.

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

Size is probably a concern.

[@MassimoTava]

Can only get better with firmware and this is a good start. Lots of work to do on video side.

[@vianditya]

For video, it's all about the processor, we all know Sony has the sensor to do even 8K but they might not have the processor yet. It's probably the reason we're not going to see a7s iii anytime soon.

[@jayonair]

@@vianditya But I think that SONY is just hold back to wait and see how the other manufactors do, and choose to release some of the features in firmware upd8

[@vianditya]

@@jayonair Other manufacturers already have better video features than Sony..what else are they waiting for?

[@jayonair]

@@vianditya A more powerful competitor, cuz SONY just have the best share, maybe another reason is to sell their chips

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

Rumors out there that this isn't the 8K sensor that was uncovered a while back.

[@AgnostosGnostos]

Where is Chris? I don't see any chemistry. Only detent or something like that. The 240 MP with pixel shift are enough for me. I need more.

[@NGameReviews]

Yeah I agree. No disrespect to Richard but his professional demeanor doesn't translate well to a DPReview TV video. It's not like the content of the video is bad, but he really doesn't seem to 'fit' (trying to think of a better word) within these videos, seeming awkward and out of place. No offense Richard.

[@RayValdezPhotography]

@@NGameReviews Richard replaced Chris. No more funny videos. Just boring videos with British accents.

[@winterwonderland82]

@@RayValdezPhotography Seriously? How do you know that? What happened?

[@richardbutler8532]

@@winterwonderland82 I absolutely haven't replaced Chris. He had something else booked before we got invited to this event but will be back in future videos. And no offence taken, TheNickle: Chris is a hugely talented presenter, whereas I'm much more comfortable sitting at my keyboard.

[@AntivistX]

I feel like 60 Megapixels is such an overkill. Im not sure if many will be able to justify such changes to make the jump from the a7riii

[@brois841]

If it were overkill medium format wouldn't exist. Clearly you aren't the target audience :)

[@TallTreesClub]

BROis didn't let your message sink in. Medium format is one thing. Shooting 10 FPS for example but at 130 megabytes per RAW file with no M-RAW or S-RAW could suck big time. It's like being give a 1" wrench with no 1/2" or 3/8" wrenches for smaller stuff.

[@brois841]

​@@TallTreesClub if you're a landscape, architecture, wildlife, product or whatever else photographer, then 60MP is awesome. Personally, I love the fact that APS-C mode will be 26MP. It's always good to have options - you can always crop, reduce resolution, etc. You can't add pixels in post. This is obviously not a camera for everyone, its' for those who are looking for the "R" in A7R....

[@brois841]

@Winterhascome if it's overkill for you, then you're in luck, the A7R III will still be available and now with a better price. Why is everyone complaining about 'too much?' I mean, to most people, 4k60p 422 video is also overkill and yet people keep begging for it. Again, if this release doesn't resonate with you then you're not the target audience. Rumors say more cameras will be announced in the coming weeks. Maybe there will be something announced that's more appealing to you.

[@jayonair]

I think this IMX551 has the capability to provide 8k videos, in terms of features, only WHEN

[@RayValdezPhotography]

why would anyone want 8k on a camera like this. probably would over heat and fill cards up if they are fast enough unless they got some low bitrate.

[@jayonair]

@@RayValdezPhotography as a matter of fact even larger body like S1H would have the same problems you mentioned as long as this product oriented protable.

[@jayonair]

@@RayValdezPhotography I personally dont expect it featured 8k but 4k 60 10bit seems normal and necessary on bodies released 2019. Even GFX100 can do 10bit, why sony wont give us this... I'm just confuesd

[@jayonair]

@@RayValdezPhotography in case you didnt notice, I mentioned IMX551, not the A7R4

[@RayValdezPhotography]

@@jayonair You think this sensor is going to be around to be used in a 8k camera. That isnt goign to happen because they have a 36? mp sensor that might be used for the a7siii. That sensor seems more video oriented.

[@valentinbusuioc4054]

funny cultural differences ... Richard wants to keep it nice, without KO punches, but then here comes Jordan with a baseball bat :)

[@jeffing]

Don't think they could stand each other much longer

[@Rationalific]

I think it's pretty much the corporate VS non-corporate mindset.

[@richardbutler8532]

@@jeffing oh no, I hope that's not how it appears. I love working with Jordan! I also agree with him totally (except for his description of the joystick).

[@jeffing]

@@richardbutler8532 Looking forward to seeing you guys more :)

[@mikemalley1909]

A preview with actual information is TIGHT.

[@Noealz]

the megapixels count is a lil too much, imagine how many shots and videos you can't get with that

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

Why? The camera is fast enough to handle that, with a massive 68-shot/6.8 second buffer. Longer if you don't use full continuous speed. You won't miss a thing.

[@aldolega]

How was video IQ and rolling shutter in full-frame mode? It's gotta be doing some heavy binning/skipping/merging etc to get that 60MP down to 8MP. Any moire or aliasing?

[@streets28mm]

I am thinking it is there because nobody touch that area!

[@brois841]

Speaking of moire... I haven't seen anyone mention whether the A7R IV has an AA filter or not....

[@Innovate-pq9ci]

It will be worse than the a7riii

[@richardbutler8532]

@@Innovate-pq9ci I does not have an AA filter. At this kind of pixel count, the lens will often essentially cut out the frequencies that would be high enough to cause moiré - so most manufacturers feel they can omit what would otherwise be quite an expensive component.

[@ericthestone]

I think I am excited to see the price drop on the R3 very soon! Time to sell my R2 for an upgrade that I actually care like joystick and dual card slots vs my R2!

[@kombizz]

Cool advanced camera for those who still are looking for more improvements

[@DeanHarringtonimages]

Sony products do require that you understand what you want in any of their cameras before you can use them at their best. The menu systems have always been deep and if you don't get up to speed on the tech side, you might as well get another branded camera!

[@aussie2uGA]

I’ve been holding onto canon 5d’s and lenses to see if I can stay within the Canon ecosystem - mainly shooting portraits. Is this the Sony that makes enough sense to finally switch?

[@brois841]

I think it's made sense for a while and only you know that for sure. On the one hand, Sony keeps innovating and improving... on the other hand, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Really depends on you. For portraits, eye AF is godsend and nobody does it as well as Sony. Since you aren't shooting sports, you can even adapt your Canon glass and continue using it if you want.

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

The A7R III was enough for 95% of Canon shooters to switch. Few limitations, and worked well with Canon lenses. The IV gets rid of some of those remaining limitations, while increasing the resolution by 50%, and not giving up anything for it.

[@James-qr9vp]

Jordan, gotta say that I appreciate your candor or dare I say 'cynicism.' You're very critical and think objectively when so many other Sony-lover reviewers are just lusting over it without being honest about the camera's limitations. I'll make a decision based on your opinions over others. Keep up the good work.

[@andgainingspeed]

The R isn't really meant for the video-centric market. In fact the camera is aimed at just as all sliver of the photo specific crowd, namely landscape and commercial studio types. The exciting part for Sony enthusiasts is the preview of some of the stuff coming their way that will likely be included with fourth generation FF bodies. Ideally Sony would have showcased these changes with a S camera, but I'm guessing Sony have not yet reached their performance goals on their video-centric S model, that will help them dominate (at least in specs) that portion of the market. That said, yeah I like the way Jordan laid out his first impressions.

[@bilibiliyxu215]

Finally a review that is not "Holy Moly, 61MP! You need to buy this! Right Now! Immediately! Canikon is dying! etc. etc. etc."

[@IslandFilmMaker]

Great announcement, thanks Jordan for your honesty! Had to see through the hype. It's going to be a GREAT image maker, but still falls short in Video. Bet the menu sucks still!

[@thedondeluxe6941]

If you don't need pro video, the prizes on second hand Canon 5DSR bodies are pretty damn amazing these days. Still a properly stunning camera for studio, landscape etc. Even works remarkably well hand held for most situations due to the excellent dampening of the mirror. Pretty quiet too.

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

Poor DR and high noise at low ISO make anything with the Sony 36 or 42MP sensor a better choice. Even Canon's own 30MP sensor is competent enough to be usable in way more situations.

[@thedondeluxe6941]

@@BlueBomberTurbo Totally agree. My impression is that the Canon bodies are generally built better too.

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

@@thedondeluxe6941 Bigger, heavier things generally give that impression. Like those Beats headphones that were found to have metal weights inside to make them feel more substantial than the cheap plastic toys they were.

[@thedondeluxe6941]

@@BlueBomberTurbo Haha, no that's not why! I've just heard a bunch of horror stories from Sony users, and I've been using Canon for 12 years now without a single failure. And I'm a press photographer, so they've had plenty of abuse. I don't mind the size and weight of the EOS R, though. My hands are a bit too big for the A7 bodies, and I find it easier to hold the Canon steady because of the slightly heavier weight. But it looks like the A7 mark IV has taken a few design cues from Canon!

[@AndreasKoester]

thank you for an excellent - and entertaining - overview

[@samireivinen]

Good work guys! I really liked this :)

[@skakdosmer]

“I think I just nailed that!” LOL Right on!

[@LorenzoCostarelli]

Rolling shutter in silent shutter? Of course it will have, just like every other camera not named A9

[@JetBen555]

the nipply thumbstick is indeed better .. god damn it 😅😅😅

[@RobertBratuOfficial]

Hey, that's the Deeper Pixels guy! 😅

[@robertocordero4682]

Real time tracking, 61 megapixel, 15 stops of dynamic range and pixel shift to 240 megapixel and people don’t like this camera because...........? I guess people are used to Nikon and cannon that does laughable upgrades to their camera...

[@TallTreesClub]

Knock - knock .. anybody home !!! Even Canon 5DSR's RAW can change from 50 mpx > 28 mpx > 12 mpx. Easy, smart, practical. The huge A7R iv 130 megabyte RAW files will take a few photographers to the wood shed.

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

The camera isn't restrained enough for their refined tastes. Or something.

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

@@TallTreesClub The 5DSR isn't even a competitor for the Nikon D810, let alone a Sony A7R II. And using smaller RAW sizes kills any trace of DR left in the 5DSR's sensor.

[@johnleftwich650]

Wow! You really dished on this one.

[@seantomlinson3320]

Meh. I'm sure some will love it but I'm mainly interested in the better buttons and EVF and how the AF is improved.

[@israelroseno]

Richards shirt buttons are super strong 😂

[@richardbutler8532]

Me slouching in a tall chair is not a flattering look, I'm aware. :(

[@israelroseno]

@@richardbutler8532 you got it done.

[@TallTreesClub]

Thanks for confirming the Sony A7R iv has no touch screen. Even my old M5 has one of those !!

[@AkilanKamarajan]

There is a touchscreen but the issue is it works only for autofocus point selection. Touch wouldn't work for menu navigation and in quick menu which is a shame and Sony refuses to fix it for couple of generation even after every reviewer pointing it out.

[@rodrigo4379]

my 6d is going to work for a few more years :D

[@jayonair]

Since Panasonic S1R can do 4k60 10bit 422 and S1H can do 6k, SONY might need to speed up or fans are gonna lose their faith

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

4K60 is only offered from a crop, with pixel binning (lower image quality), and only in 8-bit 4:2:0, with a low bitrate of 150mbps. And no Log or HLG. And back to the 30min recording limitation, despite the tax on it expiring at the end of last year. You need to buy the S1, the firmware update (only available for the S1), an external recorder, storage media, and an HDMI cable and mounting system to get to 4K60 10-bit 4:2:2. As far as that high output spec in the S1H, it's achieved by cropping to near APS-C size. In that respect, you're better off buying a Fuji X-T3, which can record 4K60 10-bit 4:2:0 at 400mbps. Internally. For at least 50-66% cheaper, with miles better AF and lens selection.

[@jayonair]

@@BlueBomberTurbo But that's better than nothing right, just wait and see SONY's next APS-C body

[@vexphoto]

No floppy screen... wtf?

[@Sketchmee5]

This sound like half past six camera to me.Once again,thanks Sony for being Sony!

[@trym2121]

How's the sandwich?

[@JjackVideo]

Finally video AF, but no 4k 60 FPS and no 10 bit output. The gods are truly taunting me :D

[@tekguyphoto]

comes on - then they have nothing much to sell you on the next version. babysteps - otherwise this would be the last camera most of us would need

[@rzero21]

erm... previous Sony cameras also had video AF, what they didn't have is Eye AF and real-time tracking AF.

[@streets28mm]

You get a lot from this video without having the camera, I should say, bravo! Much more informative than those that had the camera for past month and their video came right after the announcement, you guys know whom I am talking about! Again thanks for the first look!

[@brois841]

You're talking about nobody. Nobody has had this camera for the past month. They also glossed over a lot of other features. Will wait for a full hands on review with standard scene shots.

[@streets28mm]

@@brois841 Am I? take a look at Kai's!!!!

[@dankspangle]

You talk about this approaching 'medium format quality'. For me the 'medium format quality' is not about megapixels, it's about the effect a physically large sensor has on depth of focus. I'm not talking about how narrow the DOF can be (too narrow to be useful with any wide MF lens), but the quality of the transition. Pictures taken on physically large sensors/bits of film look different. All the pixels and shifting you throw at a small sensor isn't going to reproduce that.

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

It has to do more with the projection of the MF lens and the resulting compression than anything. The larger image circle is what creates this effect, not what the image is captured on. Drop a MF to FF focal reducer onto this camera with a good MF lens, and you'll get much of that MF look.

[@Hhunted]

Jordan hating on Sony again...sigh.. will make my day when he is happy about a Sony Camera one day!

[@NGameReviews]

What do you mean again? I always found that Jordan had nice things to say about Sony in past videos.

[@michawilke]

Hey Jordan, now I can use this new word I learned recently! You seemed to be quite a bit: grumpy ;-) What happened to Chris?

[@RayValdezPhotography]

he got fired.

[@michawilke]

@@RayValdezPhotography r u kidding?

[@richardbutler8532]

@@michawilke he is kidding. Chris was already committed to some other shooting before we got invited to this event. He'll be back soon.

[@niccollsvideo]

I was fishing

[@marilynzanca7712]

240mps is only for something that is completely still.

[@laidongshi4342]

提升了像素的a7R3

[@AllThingsFilm1]

And there's the $3,500 price.

[@AllisonRoadWest]

Rent it. Don't complain.

[@naturealbums]

Excellent price amazing cam for the money!

[@NGameReviews]

Any other full frame 60mp camera priced at 3k? Nope. Don't see why you think it's an issue.

[@MichaelRichards983]

@@naturealbums Amazing camera for the money? Jumping the gun a bit are you?

[@naturealbums]

@@MichaelRichards983 no not really it's just what I wanted had a look at some samples already out there. Was originally totally going for the A9 but wasn't happy about the lack of pixels for wildlife and cropping for reach sometimes 600mm isn't enough. This camera does it all as a crop sensor its still 26mp plus it can be used as a landscape camera that competes with MF. at 10fps and superfast A9 level of focus tracking what other camera out there that does all that!!!! go and take a look at some sample pics imagine when we start getting raw files as well. Not going to see Canon doing anything like this in the next 5 years I've got Canon lenses moving to Sony. Canon just don't have the tech dev might as Sony for sensors.

[@AdrianJonesII]

love this honest truth

[@tom20152]

should change the title to "Sony A7rIV video review"

[@fgc1981]

Omg, is Jordan cheating on Chris??

[@MegaGasek]

So, battery is still the same? Camera (probably) eats more battery now... Eeesh!

[@richardbutler8532]

It's the same battery and it has a slightly better rating than the a7R III when shooting with the rear screen (670 shots/charge, rather than 650). Despite the higher-res panel, the EVF number is the same (530 shots/charge).

[@MegaGasek]

Impressive! I would still prefer a bigger battery though... 2 batteries is not enough in some situations.

[@rzero21]

So video features aren't appealing, bad implementation of touchscreen, awful rolling shutter, super35 mode is not actually... super35, pixel shift mode implementation is bad compared to Olympus... No reduced RAW photo capture (like in other cameras when you don't need full res RAW files...) And still no tilting-rotating screen like the a77II/a99II/a77/a99 or flipping screen like most Canon or Panasonic cameras... Unless 60Mpx is required by the photog, this seems like the camera to skip and wait for the Mk.V or get the Mk.III at a better price. I still wonder why Sony isn't releasing the a7S III...

[@trondhelgehie6771]

“Pixel shift 200mp bigger than MF” 🙈😁😂 you have to take 16 pictures! With MF you take 3 and do some stitching, and get 260mp ore more with the 150mp Phase One, and there you have the lenses for it too.. And you know you have it in camera...

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

Stitch as many MF pics as you want, and you still won't get the level of pixel quality that's produced from Sony's implementation of pixel shift. It makes the output quality equal to that of a Foveon sensor, without the low DR or high noise. You get full RGB data in every single pixel, which significantly increases color detail and perceived sharpness. No interpolation of pixels like Bayer. Not to mention, Sony added a second mode this time around, which incorporates both full RGB data AND super resolution.

[@trondhelgehie6771]

Christian Fiore OK so now we just have to tell the water, tree, sky, child, model, boat, animal and so on to stand still 😁 so we can take 16 pictures, that’s maybe vill stitch together.. But it sims it vill be impressive for product and so on, now they just have too come up with some impressive glass too..

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

@@trondhelgehie6771 "now they just have too come up with some impressive glass too" The GM line is made to support 50MP+, so there's already a bunch of capable lenses waiting to be mounted on this camera.

[@trondhelgehie6771]

Christian Fiore So you think.. I have the A7R3 and also the 85mm 1.4GM And no it’s disappointing! The Sony 85mm 1.8 is impressive for the price! And better autofocusing.. And compered to Fujifilm GFX both 50S and 100 whit 110mm f2 (f1.6 in 35mm) and the Sony 85mm 1.4GM at 1.8 the Fujifilm blows the Sony! I own this gear, so i can sit and compere al day long.. I have ordered the A7Rmk4 too, so when it comes in September I vill find out myself... It will be my new pocket camera...

[@Innovate-pq9ci]

"greater than medium format quailty" - wrong. Medium format quality is not about extra resolution.

[@Rationalific]

I agree. But at the same time, I don't agree. I agree because obviously, medium format sensors are larger. I don't agree because the main benefit of the larger sensor is actually packing in more megapixels. As for letting light in, medium format camera lenses do not go up (down?) to f-numbers that full-frame reaches, so medium format cameras actually do not offer shallower depth of field or let in more light in general. So without higher resolution, there is not really any major benefit to medium format.

[@Innovate-pq9ci]

@@Rationalific I don't see how you can agree and disagree, it's about facts only. A larger sensor will generally perform better and give you better quality pictures. Same logic applies to MF vs FF, and FF vs APS-C. The main benefit being megapixels is wrong, this is your conclusion only. Manufacturers know that some pro photographers also need high dynamic range, noise performance etc. Amateur/tourist photographers who do not know anything might decide on megapixels only, like smartphone buyers for example. When it comes to shallow depth of field, it's similar, usually a concern for amateur or tourist photographers who just think the blurrier the more professional it looks. Please let me know which pro photographer shoots at f1.2 and thinks it's still too limiting.

[@Rationalific]

​@@Innovate-pq9ci I can easily both agree and disagree, because you are neither totally wrong nor totally right. You can say, "Schindler's List the film was not about money." On the one hand, it was not trying to be a blockbuster, and it was talking about a serious issue and tragedy. On the other hand, it is a movie and box office returns matter. So I can easily agree and disagree. That means, "You have a point, but you don't have the whole story." "Please let me know which pro photographer shoots at f1.2 and thinks it's still too limiting." That's my point. Let's take a Canon 50mm f/1.2. A medium format equivalent would be a 63mm f/1.5. The best, say, the Fuji GFX 100 would have is a 63mm f/2.8. (That's the equivalent of a full-frame 50mm f/2.2.) Hasselblad and Pentax are in a similar situation. So it should be obvious that you are taking a hit in light if you go medium format, because, simply put, the equivalent lenses don't exist. The same would be true of full-frame cameras if, say, APS-C had f/1.2 lenses but FF only had f/2.8 lenses. (FF requires an f/1.8 to equal an APS-C f/1.2.) Then, I would be singing the praises of APS-C cameras. The difference is that FF has lenses with f-numbers that go down as low as APS-C cameras, whereas medium format cameras don't have lenses with f-numbers that go down as low as FF cameras.

[@Innovate-pq9ci]

Rationalific lower f-stops doesn't mean more light. Light gathering is measured by t-stops. If you compare the actual light gathering and test it you'd be surprised to find these low aperture lenses are not that bright

[@Rationalific]

@@Innovate-pq9ci t-stops are basically f-stops, only with the number a bit higher to take into account light fall off on the glass. Unless it's a special lens (like with an ND filter), you will NEVER get a 1.2 f-stop lens that has a 2.2 t-stop. If anything, a 1.2 f-stop would have a 1.4 t-stop or something similar. That is not even to mention the fact that physics works for medium format lenses as well, so their t-stops are higher than their f-stops as well. In the end, the widest aperture medium format lenses do not gather more light than the widest aperture FF lenses.

[@valdemarcaballero5298]

It’s impressive to see that Jordan still hates SONY. Always looking for bad and inconvenient things instead of highlighting the new things. Impressive because these new cameras bring so many beautiful things compared to the technology say 7 years ago. Well then Jordan, hope you will stay with your little m3/4 Panasonics that you love.

[@senaritradutta]

What is new in video? Apart from eye af? Still 8 bit log 4k30 120fps slow mo menu system not touch sensetive no led screeen on top.... No lossless comressed format...same rolling shutter... Only racing with megapixel wont make a revolutionary camera

[@jkerman5113]

They really did us like that and didn't release the A7s 3. Doesn't seem to make sense, if they steamed ahead and released all the technological progress they've made then more people would go to the Sony system...

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

Maybe the video tech isn't ready. Makes sense, as the high MP of this camera would make current high spec video difficult to achieve. Wait for lower MP cameras to launch and see what happens.

[@jkerman5113]

@@BlueBomberTurbo Thats true, the A7s is low MP for a reason. Still, when my little GoPro can do 4k60p it makes it seem easy to achieve. Heat is probably the opponent.

[@andrewjones-productions]

Whilst the A7R isn't a product that I am considering, the general impression from this MkIV version is that Sony have deliberately dialled back on its development in order to safeguard the sales of another product yet to come. From a business point of view, I get the strategy and that's up to them. I suppose we'll have to wait for the ever elusive A7s III (or whatever it may now be called) to see if that is the case or not. Whilst I am a Sony user and generally like their products, they have a tendency to always leave a bitter taste in the mouth and leave me feeling like they've insulted the intelligence of their customers. It's just a feeling - not fact, but nevertheless a fact that I tend to feel that way. That said, the new KM3 XLR microphone adapter looks good, but I wonder why they haven't included a headphone jack for those cameras that they have omitted a headphone jack on.

[@NoTicket]

A novel take for a camera that has a 61 megapixel sensor with 15 stops of DR at the pixel level with a 68 shot buffer for RAW. The AF is vastly improved over the A7rIII. I think it's cute that people would consider this update somehow gimped. Does it have 10 bit raw? No. Does it get continuous real time tracking with eye autofocus in video? Yes. Crazy world where an updated camera with nearly 50% more megapixels, improved ergonomics, better EVF, upgraded storage (dual UHS-II) and connectivity (USB 3.2 GEN 1 vs USB 2 and WiFi AC with wireless tethering) is somehow considered a gimped update.

[@andrewjones-productions]

@@NoTicket I'm speaking exclusively from the point of view of a cinematographer/videographer. Thank you for thinking I'm cute! At the age of 50, it's not something I hear often. Enjoy your day.

[@NoTicket]

@@andrewjones-productions I'm happy to have made your day! I can see it being a letdown for all of those people awaiting the Sony a7s III!

[@brois841]

@@andrewjones-productions as a cinematographer/videographer, this camera wasn't meant for you. This is their "R"esolution camera meant for people interested in high resolution photography. The video support is an added bonus. There are different product lines for video. Keep waiting, your turn will come ;)

[@andrewjones-productions]

@@brois841 Which is exactly why my first sentence in my original post starts with "Whilst the A7R isn't a product I am considering...". You are correct though, a product that may suit my needs may indeed turn up. My main cameras are the Sony FS7 and FS5 and so I'm in no hurry. :-)

[@kentmemories]

Great VDO, showing both good and bad.. As always, Sony has the most advanced technology but the worst shooting experience..

[@kentmemories]

Yes, Sony sensor with Nikon ergo, Pana UI, and Canon colour would be my dream camera..

[@0ecka]

So, if the a7R4 doesn't track you very well, don't give up, there's a chance that you might be an animal :), just switch the AF priority.

[@mrrolandlawrence]

meh. its great and all that. super technological. buuuut. I think by now Sony really should be thinking professional body styles. small body means SD card only. No CFAST options. hasselblad has an amazing layout & the interfaces on the black magic are insanely good. it seems that Sony are only willing to innovate technically in a very narrow band ie sensor & AF. yeh sure the small body is great achievement, but pair it with an f2.8 zoom and its not so important. with 60+mp anything under 1/1000sec is not going to be tack sharp. what's happening with workflow innovations? real time tethering over WiFi to a laptop or tablet would be awesome. supporting mirrcast. & the fact that after 9-12 months Sony will stop brining out firmware updates and don't expect any new features like you might get with a Fugi camera system.

[@davidcallier9679]

Mr Hat!

[@harryburnett7086]

#DPreview Pan and Fuji is still Video kings , no correct touch screen 😬, Jordan is the Video King and he just punched video side in the chops lol

[@pjw2000]

Seems like a half-baked half-update that came out at least one year too early.

[@brois841]

Half-baked half-update? It's an A7R (R for Resolution) camera. It just upped the ante and put MF on notice. And that's just the sensor... no, this is a pretty significant upgrade.

[@pjw2000]

​@@brois841 I know what it is; I own the a7R II. I've admired Sony's progress thus far, especially with the third generation of a7 cameras. But as they discussed in the video, there was just so much left to fix that they didn't: no 4K/60p, no 10-bit, STILL overly complicated menus with no touch control, STILL no lossless compressed RAW, and STILL the Pixel Shift is not in-camera. Plus, the AF performance apparently leaves something to be desired. Meanwhile, the R III is still plenty relevant, while APS-C and the a7S line are way behind. Not trying to troll; I'm just genuinely irked.

[@brois841]

@@pjw2000 well, since you own the A7R II, you should know this camera is geared more towards photographers, so that's correct, no bump in video specs - especially given the new resolution. When you say "the AF performance apparently leaves something to be desired" you do sound like you're trolling. The A7R III being relevant is great - the price will drop greatly for it and photographers will have choice. I would also like some of the features you mentioned and maybe even more, but that doesn't make this a half-baked update. If any other camera came out with that sensor and those specs everyone would be applauding it, but Sony users are so spoiled nothing is good enough anymore.

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

Feel free to show us a camera that surpasses it.

[@DobyxRC]

Seems kind of “eh” too bad Sony.

[@DavidDatura]

Wow! Still no touchscreen in 2019! And really quite a shitty video spec as compared to its peers. Not to mention, still the worst menu system in the business and no in-camera sensor shift processing. That’s a high price to pay to have the highest res FF sensor and best AF in the industry.

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

Someone didn't read the spec sheet...

[@michael007ish]

Blah blah I hate the menus. Seriously I'm sick of hearing about this low hanging fruit comment. I've owned Nikon, Panasonic, Olympus, Fuji and Sony. They're all different and no harder to get to know than the next. (Okay maybe Olympus) I figured you guys spend enough time with these cameras that you should know where the hell everything is.

[@brois841]

I own Sony A7 III and Fuji X-T3 and definitely find Fuji MUCH easier to navigate. Having said that, Fuji has like 1/3rd the options, so there's less stuff to navigate. But the options are laid out much more clearly and instead of pages, where all the settings are flat, options are nested. However, having said that, I have no idea why they keep bringing it up. There's SO MUCH more to the camera and this announcement. You can completely customize the camera to suit your style. After customizing, it's very rare you actually have to go into the menu's.

[@michael007ish]

BROis I had an XT2 and X100f. They were way better than my original XE1. They all have to be learned somewhat. I’ve owned Sonys longer but still, complaining about it after more than five years is just laziness. It not like they don’t use them.

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

Only cameras I haven't owned are Fuji X and Olympus. And somehow, menus aren't a "thing" for me. I just use them and get on with shooting.

[@richardbutler8532]

@@michael007ish There are several aspects of the Sony menus that are objectively worse than their rivals (more clicks to get between menu sections, no clues about where the sub-sections of the menus are until you get to them). We're camera reviewers: it's our job to highlight things that would-be users might want to know. We're not going to just give any brand a pass for something that's bad, just because we've been forced to learn how to work around it.

[@michael007ish]

Richard Butler Well I’ve been told. 🤔

[@twoblink]

Yet more MP wars... 24MP with an extra 2 stops DR would be better. Flippy screen. Touchable menu. 4K@60p.. all the stuff that matters; but I guess MP wars it is for Sony... XQD? CFExpress? Nope.

[@michael007ish]

That stuff you mentioned doesn't matter.

[@brois841]

I feel like a broken record, but people must not understand Sony product lines. This is their A7R - R for Resolution. That's what it's about... resolution. If that doesn't resonate with you, then you aren't the target audience. Wait for the A7 IV, I'm sure that'll be more up your alley.

[@Michael19585]

What a lack lustre presentation on a camera that is a field leader. Go to bed lads and get some much needed sleep.

[@michaejlt]

Other then the Sony "A9" couple of years ago...Sony always finds away to put out an half-baked camera that is totally useless. Forget this camera and let's move on to the next piece of expensive garbage from Sony! Better yet...take the 61MP sensor out of Sony's A7R IV, and put it in the latest Cannon, or Nikon cameras and they will do a better job with it. Thanks Jordan on letting us know that this Sony a7R IV camera is an total failure.

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

Yes, that half baked A7 III that's always littering the top of the sales charts and literally printing money for Sony was a total mistake. -___-

[@michaejlt]

@@BlueBomberTurbo Hey Christian I agreed with you on the a7 III. It is an great camera...no doubt about it. The problem I have with Sony is they do not "listen" to what people have address for many years about the clunky Menu system. They charms us with innovations in their Sensor development (which is awesome), but do not fix the age old problem with navigating thru the Menu system. On top of that we have Pixel Shift Multi Shooting mode that captures up to 16 frames, allowing for the creation of insanely 240MP images with full color data at each pixel. Isn't 61MP enough? Anyway...my 2 cent worth of rant.

[@omrikerenlapidot2803]

clicky.

[@thejotaran]

Two years and this is what Sony comes up with.. disappointing

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

And then look at the rest of the industry and see how far ahead Sony is.

[@alifonso1981]

The cool guy with the white shirt should consider start making his own videos because the guy with the black shirt is unprofessional and annoying. Thumbs down.

[@LeoInterHyenaem]

Still no compressed RAW. Still no sRAW. And the rolling shutter is absolutely unacceptable. 😏

[@TallTreesClub]

Maybe firmware could fix it. I wouldn't risk buying otherwise.

[@RayValdezPhotography]

@Foto4Max at least u get a crop mode

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

@Foto4Max You can resize the RAW in DNG.

[@PK-ql5en]

Some things were updated but all in all this camera could have been so much more and it isn’t. No lossless raw compression, no high res proper touchscreen, still not articulating. No proper programmable bulb mode. No focus stacking. No native Iso going lower than 100, should I go on? All of this is available on market from other brands. I think that this is not revolutionary. It feels not Sony-like and a bit underwhelming. 60 megapixel sensor - the diffraction visible at f5.6 anyone? Also video side, as mentioned here, not that rosy is it? Let’s see if they managed to improve their ibis at least which is the weakest one on the market from all the other options that offer it. And why their Venice colour science is still not available in their Alpha flagship? No thank you.

[@errolsmith5634]

So much for a "Sneak Peak" from you people. Too bad it's not Panasonic or Fuji eh guys? Please be professional and stop acting like little brats!!

[@samireivinen]

Good work guys! I really liked this :)

[@samireivinen]

Good work guys! I really liked this :)

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

So nice he liked it thrice.