Sigma fp L First Impressions Review

The 60 Megapixel Sigma fp L is a weird camera. In this episode, we do our best to make sense of it. Find out what makes the fp L unique - and where Sigma may have missed some useful features.
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[@bananabear009]

Sigma is really admirable for their persistence in trying to enter the camera market. They have been making their efforts for so long that even some of the prominent brand names, Minolta, Yashica, Contax, Rollei, Ricoh have all gone into history. I‘ve never seen one of their cameras being successful in the market. Yet they keep trying for decades. I really want to buy one for that reason. Unfortunately I am not rich enough.

[@Chris-ey7zy]

Ricoh is with Pentax

[@bananabear009]

@@Chris-ey7zy I believe it’s Hoya

[@JodyBruchon]

If you ever shoot with a Foveon sensor camera (especially the sd Quattro) you'll never look at other cameras the same way again. Unfortunately the fp L isn't a Foveon camera and the sdQ has some unfortunate design choices such as using Sigma's SA-mount system which makes the camera larger and makes adapting nearly any other lens mount impossible without expensive optical adapters that no one will make. Still, my sdQ with the 18-35mm f/1.8 lens is such a powerful tool that I almost never swap to the other lenses I own. It is my go-to photography camera unless I'll be in low light. No one makes anything like the sdQ and the only cameras that can compete with it in terms of detail and color quality are medium format cameras that cost ten times the price.

[@hostiaya]

@@JodyBruchon I've got a sigma dp2q an is astonishing how good it is, just love it with all his quirks , I cant wait for sigma to release a new foveon camera! (I hope this will be the year)

[@rmcauley]

Jordan you have honestly outdone yourself on a lot of these shots this time. So much of the footage here is so marvelously shot. Well done!

[@CaptainFuzzzy]

In case anyone hasn’t figured it out. This is simply a technical concept for what the SL3 will have on a much better foundation. The L Alliance helps sigma sell products and allows Leica to have a high volume test bed.

[@PixelPeepShow]

CineD mentioned that this camera has hybrid autofocus, meaning it has both contrast detect and phase detect, but never at the same time. It depends on the crop factor (!) you choose. Phase detect will only work in x1.0 and x1.53. But the best dynamic range you get at x1.24, according to Sigma. And the best resolution between x1.3 and x2.48. This camera has a lot of great features, just not simultaneously it seems. Strange camera indeed. I would love to take it for a spin!

[@thecommenter578]

12:49 that's the last thing you see when you owe money to Jordan

[@23Scadu]

He looks like he's about to say "did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is?"

[@foxtrotgolf5698]

BOOM!!!

[@thegeneral123]

Well, I commend Sigma for again releasing something that bucks the trend. Is quirky and different. Sadly it will be another camera hardly anyone buys. Faced with this or the A7RIV, why would anyone pick the Sigma? If it were half the price, then Sigma would really be onto something. Shame. I'll keep waiting for Sigma to release a modern Foveon stills camera. Love Sigma lenses and the Foveon stuff.

[@cars291]

My local camera stores wont offer Sigma cameras anymore.. so no chance to even get a hands on with it. Lenses ofc are very popular though and available.

[@basic-decaf]

People seem to think that everyone on the planet is the exact same consumer as them. Fact: the Sigma fp was the #1 best-selling camera in the entire country of Japan (Japan, which is home to Nikon, Sony, Canon, Fujifilm, Panasonic, Olympus, and Pentax, am I forgetting any?) for MONTHS upon release. This one will do better. You, dear KZbinr, are not the center of the world.

[@TaipeiGeek]

If Nikon made such a camera they'd be destroyed, but because it's Sigma they are being applauded for doing something different. I don't mind that they did, I just feel there's a double standard.

[@TaipeiGeek]

@@basic-decaf That's total baloney what you wrote. It wasn't the bestselling camera in all of Japan.

[@basic-decaf]

@@TaipeiGeek ​ They deleted my comment because it had a link, but Google "Sigma fp outsells Sony, Canon and Nikon at two of Japan's" or "Sigma fp" and "JAPANESE RETAIL GIANT YODABASHI CAMERA" and there's just a couple I found in a few seconds. Just Google it.

[@greenidgelewis8347]

The RAW Cinema DNG footage on the Original Sigma FP is insanely good, the 24MP sensor offers much better value than this 60MP sensor for serious videographers, I only hope Sigma adds true 24p to the original Sigma FP and it'll be a true compact full frame RAW Cinema Camera. I absolutely love my Sigma FP.

[@coasttocoastphoto]

I have an fp. It's small and lightweight and easily goes places. I have it set up with a manual focus M lens. It's not my only camera. It's a nice extension of my hands and eyes. I'm now into my sixth decade of shooting. I suggest trying new things and getting out of your comfort zone.

[@husainfoolath4287]

I own it too, the best image quality I got from a camera !

[@capturelightmedia]

Being relatively new to the camera world, just a couple of years, I find all of the compromises confounding. Coming from the Audio world where there are specifically tailored devices for each task at all price points, with the point of diminishing returns beginning at a pretty low price point. But with cameras, its odd. Video body cameras for photography. Photography bodies for video. What's more, people are okay with photo bodies for video but not video bodies for photo. And if you don't spend a grand, at least, most basic quality necessities aren't there. It would be like a microphone preamp that can't record all instruments at all.

[@DanielBrklyn]

The reason is that a lot of devices in audio are just behind the scenes, except for the microphone, and they don't define the user like a camera does. A person using a camera also considers it as a necklace and a signaling device. Someone will buy the Sigma camera to show the world they don't follow trends and will choose a different quirky camera and will use it to define themselves as a quirky person who swims against the tide. It also becomes a conversational piece and a way to wow your clients since you have a camera that no one else does. if you use a Canon 5d or Sony A7 every one else has those cameras and it is harder to stand out.

[@CanditoTrainingHQ]

The reason is because standards are artificially risen with cameras due to smart phone competition. In reality, "video body" vs "photography body" is a very small distinction if we compared to other industries. Also photo dedicated cameras like the Panasonic S1R still record 4k 60 fps, which is beyond the resolution and frame rate movies will ever need (yes its not all about that, but still). It's more like these are microphone prearms that also do nearly everything in the studio, but it just so happens that Apple comes out with a phone that replaces it, so any feature is judged by how effectively it differentiates what is already in everyone's pocket.

[@argwohn]

Nevertheless I was blessed by the K-01 Cameo.

[@blueridge8992]

Whew, Jordan knocked this one out of the park! Amazing review man, you really outdid yourself.

[@andreasgiobel6355]

Hey Dp, I see the FpL as naked photo camera that you build up as Box&Cube video camera. A Camera-Brain that well priced at only $2500 USD,the Sony A7IV are priced at $3800. Buy a ”Custom” cage, grip, ergo-booster for $100-200 and make it the camera for your need’s. “To build your own” is a unique photo camera feature. If you are spending the days in mud laying down, the tilt-able viewfinder option is a feature as well.

[@vidthreenorth4007]

Sigma could turn this into a seriously interesting body by introducing a couple of lenses with leaf shutters. Take a look at the old Pentax Q system. I think a 28mm F2.0 and an 85mm F2.0 with flash synch at 1/500th sec. (or better), along with the hybrid phase detect auto-focus could be worth considering. At that point, they think about upgrading the original fp with faster processing and hybrid phase detect auto-focus, and maybe a 26MP size sensor (for DCI-ish 6k video). That would add a significant option to the L-mount system.

[@tosvus]

I'm just waiting for a Foveon based L-Mount camera from them. I can pretty much forgive any weakness if they keep the look the way it is with earlier versions. If you want video on L-Mount, Panasonic pretty much took the entire market there with the recently released S5ii and S5iix (coming later) that have great codecs and output options plus FINALLY actually good focusing!

[@cyrfung]

I really like seeing Sigma’s weird products and wish them success, but kudos to DPReview for reviewing honestly.

[@bburchellphotos]

Nice to see the return of the Pentax K-01, albeit as a prop! haha

[@flagger2020]

I still have mine, and use it often in studio shooting... quirky yes... but it works

[@thebitterfig9903]

The aspect ratio shenanigans look like worlds of fun. That's one gripe I have with, well, every digital camera I've used. Sure, I can crop in post, but having frame lines or black bars to go to some non-standard aspect ratios would be an amazing tool for composition, and it'd almost surely be trivial to have most cameras allow for, say, 3:1 aspect ratio on the display.

[@shlawchablaas]

I can’t believe all the Sigma hate in these comments, it’s ridiculous. Nobody’s forcing you to buy it, chill out. Also, it looks like Chris and Jordan took it out in what I would consider averse conditions, and with respect I don’t think they fully factored them into their review. I have a hard time believing “it’s really not that cold” when there’s still clearly huge amounts of ice and snow, naturally that is going to affect the battery life even if it IS low capacity to begin with, which I don’t doubt. Also, on a bright sunny day with harsh light reflected off white snow, of course you’re going to want an EVF! I know Chris prefers using a viewfinder anyway, and while I understand, I’m sure in a lot of other situations, the camera would be very usable without. At the end of the day, it’s still the cheapest high-resolution full-frame body in a fun, lightweight package. It’s much cheaper than the comparable bodies from Panasonic, Leica, Nikon, and Canon, for significantly more resolution. I think Sigma is to be commended for the release. I love how they as a company just do things differently, there’s too many people in the photography community who get caught up in specs races and popularity contests.

[@gvs376]

Well said! With a tiny $100 SSD,, this camera shoots 12-bit uncompressed RAW, in 4:4:4 color space! Perhaps this footage could change a few minds: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4balXhrebiao9k

[@basic-decaf]

I agree. People seem to think that everyone on the planet is the exact same consumer as them. Fact: the Sigma fp was the #1 best-selling camera in the entire country of Japan (Japan, which is home to Nikon, Sony, Canon, Fujifilm, Panasonic, Olympus, and Pentax, am I forgetting any?) for MONTHS upon release. This one will do better. You, dear KZbinr, are not the center of the world.

[@patrickchase5614]

The only way I can make sense of Sigma's product strategy is by assuming that they expect global shutters to become widespread, and that they're working towards having a thoroughly thought-through shutterless platform ready when that happens. That would actually make sense for Sigma, as it's really hard to take on an incumbent like Sony by doing the same things as they are, but perhaps more manageable if you can get out ahead of industry trends in a way that they can't (if Sony or Canon started evolving their cameras in this sort of direction now it would irretrievably taint their brand, whereas nobody has high expectations of Sigma in this space). On a related note, this camera reminds me of a comment Barney Britton made in Roger Cicala's Lensrentals podcast: Paraphrasing, he observed that global shutters were a "next big thing", and that they would enable new and modular form factors.

[@flagger2020]

honest, cautious review, thanks guys. As I am looking for a replacement to my K1 for landscape photography and I'm still not upto a 645 I might just give it a shot. Keep on reviewing... regards

[@JamesMatthewGallagher]

You guys were far gentler in your review than Gerald Undone.

[@unbroken1010]

Never heard of him

[@johna5624]

@@unbroken1010 i'm sure there are a lot of people you have never heard of. What is your point?

[@shzammpatapon9865]

@@johna5624 damn you roast that stupid unbroken guy harddddd

[@unbroken1010]

@@johna5624 and same with you except the names i know are relevant . Study your history instead of KZbinrs

[@CinemaSteve]

@@unbroken1010 uh but Gerald is relevant and every video youtuber knows him and respects his reviews and opinions. It’s just your worthless opinion that doesn’t seem to matter anyway that’s calling him out lmao.

[@brivnii]

The impression video I was waiting for!

[@chu0nthat]

Nice location, great review as always

[@alexandercarder2281]

The only reason I would want a sigma is for the Foveon sensor. Weren’t they hexagon shaped? Full colour at each and every pixel?

[@basic-decaf]

Still working on Foveon

[@kentmemories]

hope fpL can wake Panasonic up to build GX9 style L mount with PDAF..

[@Ildskalli]

YES PLEASE!

[@rvnraju911]

So basically there is not a single camera in L mount for Sports and Wildlife photography.

[@rvnraju911]

@@Luke-bt4do It's good as long as there is light. Lumix FF cameras needs more than Contrast based autofocus system to reach Nikon Mirrorless level and more than Phase detect autofocus system to reach Canon and Sony level.

[@rvnraju911]

@@Luke-bt4do There would be a scope of improvement through firmware updates had they fit in phase detect autofocus system. Now no scope left for Contrast based systems. It fails in low light. Whoever incharge responsible for such decisions, must be fired. Like the ones in Sigma and Sony designing stupid miniature sized Non weather resistant Cameras. Hope Nikon and Sony put in articulated display instead of tilting ones from now on. Its so easy to create content and take self portraits anywhere with articulated displays.

[@ArsenijeRadenovic]

Why would anyone complain about that. If you want sports and wildlife you go to Nikon/Canon/Sony or even Fuji

[@koolkutz7]

Or any lenses!

[@borderlands6606]

@@rvnraju911 Who buys a 60mp full frame camera to take selfies?

[@alexcorll90]

It's hard to put my finger on why, but the footage from this camera just looks professional, more so than any 4:2:2 10 bit. I guess it just comes down to compression and the 12 bit color fidelity, but it really does look cleaner to me.

[@EliteKnowledgeClan]

Given this isn't going to be popular, it'll likely be fairly cheap used. Might work really well as a budget high resolution landscape photography camera

[@SeanvanBerlo]

Hard to compete when there’s second hand A7Riis for 700 dollars out there.

[@basic-decaf]

People seem to think that everyone on the planet is the exact same consumer as them. Fact: the Sigma fp was the #1 best-selling camera in the entire country of Japan (Japan, which is home to Nikon, Sony, Canon, Fujifilm, Panasonic, Olympus, and Pentax, am I forgetting any?) for MONTHS upon release. This one will do better. You, dear KZbinr, are not the center of the world.

[@SovietLensReviews]

Great review, but this one looks like a hit (the bad kind) to the L-mount alliance. I have no idea what use case this camera aims to serve after watching it - it's got average, not top-of-the-line video, it's got no mechanical shutter so it's not usable in all instances as a photography camera, it's expensive so it's competing with the best on the market, which are just... Better than it?

[@alexcorll90]

The internal H264 seems much improved from the previous version. I still wish it had log, and ideally some 8k mode. The fact that 12bit mode is worse than 10bit is concerning...to say the least. The whole point of writing to a fast external SSD is to avoid read/write limitations of the camera. But clearly it's struggling to process the data.

[@shlawchablaas]

It makes sense though that in a pre-production firmware, they would sort the internal recording first, then figure out external options as a second priority. Unless there's some data bottleneck or the processors couldn't handle it, I would think they could do a lot to improve it through firmware, no? But yeah those features would be nice

[@gearienoxcuses3936]

If they could drastically improve the autofocus and external Braw I would hope on this camera.

[@TheFilmmakersWorkshop]

Fingers crossed Sigma can improve the external video quality in the firmware. Jordan sounded a bit quiet compared to Chris, however I thought the B roll was really nice and the few asides always add to the vids.

[@thedondeluxe6941]

It will be interesting to see if this means phase detect on l-mount cameras from now on. That would be pretty sweet! Gotta say the video looks amazing, just like on the original fp.

[@mr_cramberry]

Was this recorded on the fpl? I thought the video looked great

[@_rhapsodist]

nope, just some parts when Jordan talks, but the rest was S1H

[@martysender5539]

wonderful Panasonic s1H......reason Jordan loves it? best damn video quality

[@paulmuadibatreid]

As always nice and informative video. Just to prevent comments war, maybe always compare/advice the teted product to a few others brands ! Have a great day.

[@bartosavina9117]

SIGMA should now really understand how market both sigma. FP is for video, FP L for Stills. FP shoot 4k at 30 fps , FP L 4k at 24Fps, now to provide a better differentiation they must pump video specs in Sigma FP with a new firmware, up to 6k or 8K at 60 Fps, and pay attention on the still capabilities of the sigma FP L. If not one will cannibalize the other

[@cars291]

I don't know the market share of these bodies to be large enough to even call it cannibalization. Either you are a fan or you go buy something else.

[@macjim]

Sigma seem to be doing different for different sake... That EVF is nuts off to one side. The idea of a full frame camera is a good one but... It makes that Hasselblad compact body and lens a better choice ergonomically.

[@basic-decaf]

You must not know about rangefinders.

[@macjim]

Previously owned a Leica M9... And own an X100V (yes, not a rangefinder but it has an offset viewfinder)

[@ericcoen8894]

should I pick this one or that old sigma fp?

[@ffjim]

It is good to see a different approach...... I want it to succeed but perhaps collaborating with another camera company would have been better?

[@Kevon420]

Waitin’ on that FOVEON

[@detectivejonesw]

Can someone please just make a full frame digital Ricoh GR camera please is that too much to ask

[@ziginox]

Oh man, I know this is a weird nitpick but, that OSD level and the squares for AF point are CHUNKY Good first showing for L-mount on hybrid AF, but sadly the A6500 from five years ago handles it better. Then again, the first hybrid AF Sony cameras were atrocious, so maybe we'll just have to wait.

[@matthewvonblerk9675]

I love the look of this camera,

[@sebastiaanvanwater]

And seeing clips of reviews from years ago, Chris looks like he is like fine wine: Gets better with age.

[@j16m02]

I just can't figure out what Sigma was thinking releasing this pre-production version for review. First option is that this is essentially the final product. If so, they are in trouble because pretty much all the high profile KZbin reviewers have politely, but thoroughly trashed it. I've never seen such bad reviews for any camera. Second option is that, there will be massive changes in the final version. In which case, why in the world would you release it for review now? When the final version is released, you will already have tons of bad reviews in place and pretty much every potential buyer will have written it off. Personally, I'm going with option # 1. Sigma may be able to tweak the AF a bit, though from what I've seen, no amount of tweaking is going to maker it competitive. But, there is no way, firmware tweaks are going to fix that ridiculous bolt on VF, or add a useable grip or a tillable LCD, just to name a few. Sigma obviously has some great engineering chops. Their lenses are right up there with the best. But their camera division? What are they thinking? What executive looked at that thing and said "yeah, that'll sell well and make us a nice profit"? Where is the face palm emoji?

[@Alfredolunafoto1]

Excellent review.

[@kentxx12]

Hello, have you possibly forgotten an important factor that Sigma that is actually a little on the side lens company may have to do to some big sacrifice to the tall gentlemen in the big camera companies that have allowed them to make lenses for them, think about it ;) Possibly they have a deal to not make a competitively fully good camera possibly through an agreement with Sony, Nikon, Canon,Fuji.....Possibly it's just economic policy ;)

[@MalaikaToo]

Did you say 16Mp or 60Mp sensor....? A bit unclear about this because 16Mp is not very much for a new camera ...? Best regrds from Norway :o)

[@alexsystems2001]

I’m glad I sold my S1H but kept my lenses this gives me hope we will someday see a Panasonic camera with PDAF 🤣. I actually kept my lenses for my S1R, but hopefully I’ll be able to buy a S1H MK2 or whatever with usable autofocus.

[@professionalpotato4764]

I thought the autofocus worked ok with stills? Or is it not reliable in some situations?

[@alexsystems2001]

@@professionalpotato4764 the autofocus works well with stills. That’s why I kept my S1R, it was the continuous AF of the for video that was poor, that’s why I got rid of the S1H. I tend to take more photos than video anyways, maybe if they come out with a better AF systems on a new S1H I’ll buy into that again.

[@cpnphx323]

Sigma have to make some lenses with leaf shutter

[@venom5809]

"Not very cold out here", standing in a foot of snow. LOL

[@fragu123]

....depends on where you live, rgds. from the north of Sweden....

[@unbroken1010]

Why do people use LOL it's something that like 10 year olds do

[@johna5624]

@@unbroken1010 are you having a bad day?

[@bunyaadi]

If you had nothing else it would be good alas due to the saturation of the market, you have better options between these prices. Maybe another firmware update or two it will be up to scratch.

[@dancygr]

Looks cool but judging from Gerald's review, it's too expensive for all of the faults

[@qwiklok]

Geral Undone says this camera makes no sense. The Sony A7R4 blows the stills away, The Sony A7S3 blows the video away, it has dreadful auto focus, needs the EVF and now becomes pricey. What's the point? Not recommended. Smart review. I'll listen to that.

[@meatbyproducts]

I have an FP and love it. Not 100% on this one.

[@cars291]

Did you get the optional grip?

[@tubeman1983]

Sigma should have come up with a better video centric camera instead: at least 4k 60fps 12 bit raw through usb. Good internal options H265 4k 60p 422, log profile, a good lut, false colour, full size HDMI, IBIS, good rolling shutter, better interface. I'm looking forward to the Sigma FP2 :)

[@KimReddin]

This is a scientific approach with examples demonstration while being also *entertaining..( *for camera / video nerds)

[@dylandigby1776]

> hates the fp L for no mechanical shutter > loves the Nikon Z9

[@xmeda]

11:35 PENTAAAAAX

[@gaarakabuto1]

Just slap in a mechanical shutter or even better a mechanical shutter version and already the whole thing became better.Especially considering that most people know ti have low expectations of auto focus from sigma cameras.

[@Oscar-xs9cv]

Kneedeep in snow: "It's not very cold" M8

[@Rinfanchoi]

Emm ...but it’s still using a Sony sensor instead of Feveon X3 . Really miss the color of X3

[@gewglesux]

Lovely Scenery!!

[@victorvannatter312]

A sigma camera using a panasonic lens. That's an interesting switch

[@corsairnine8170]

Does anyone know what messenger bag Chris is using in this vid? I’ve spied it in the past couple of videos, and it appears quite attractive.

[@mikey7326]

WOW young Chris...

[@scottslotterbeck3796]

That was the Hot Tub Time Machine in action.

[@scottslotterbeck3796]

I'm a video guy, but this camera and his brother interests me. Beautiful area you're in BTW.

[@pockets8108]

It’s a nice looking camera, and it may have noteworthy stats, but man I cannot get behind no viewfinder, and no handle/grip. I wouldn’t even want to pick this thing up to inspect it let alone use it all day trying to grip the camera with no handle

[@crinosil]

Will never understand why they didn’t just create a version of the FP with L mount and this sensor and modern CPU and performance ... love how that camera looks...

[@davetroy5706]

best day for the competition

[@ScottJWaldron]

15:18 hahaha, nice!

[@JohnDrummondPhoto]

"We can't say who makes this 61-megapixel very Sony-A7R-IV-like sensor, a size only seen in the Sony A7R IV until now, but if you have a Sony A7R IV, it'll seem extremely familiar." Overall, you guys weren't quite as brutal as Gerald Undone; but the summary was the same.

[@Khalidazizphoto]

I'm still waiting for a GX (Range Finder) style L- Mount camera from Panasonic. I hope Panasonic doesn't have an agreement with Leica not to produce range finder FF cameras.

[@cameracameras]

This would be a great studio camera.

[@racesuey]

Too bad rumor about in-body stabilizer is not true. That being said, L-mount alliance cameras are basically body interchangeable platform, you have Camera body for all circumstances.

[@chrishewson40]

Sigma fp l or leica q2 Monochrom?

[@patrickjclarke]

DP2 Merrill is my goto for monochrome. Quirks and all the Foveon sensor is still the best for monochrome for tonality and details in my opinion, even over a Monochrom

[@seokinchung]

no sign of foveon....?

[@unbroken1010]

If statement were really smarting sigma was smart they should have made this evf compatible with the old dp and quatros.. or at least develop one at the same time. They missed a good opportunity

[@chippy511]

Interesting. Good video info guys. Keep up the good work. Think the A7 you mentioned will be a better buy for the money. 👍😉

[@jaan-arya]

Can you please do a test on best mid-range lens for Canon C70 and Red Komodo

[@MKVD]

Sigma 18-35 and 50-100

[@FabienMathey]

Strange how "cheap" the Sony is in the US. In Europe, it is 4200 EU and with all discounts at the moment, 3500 EU. The Sigma is 3000 EU with EVF and with all discounts, 2700 EUR. Now there is a price difference here. But the rolling shutter is still not getting better.

[@mikejezo]

that SH1 is banging!!! forget about the signal or sorry sigmama. If only Panasonic could add in hybrid focus????? in these camera??? shame

[@youknowwho9247]

"It's not very cold" *stands in knee deep snow in front of a frozen forest* Oh Canada...

[@baqcasanke]

Haha that thumbnail alone would make me never buy this camera 😂

[@earthlevel4569]

skin tones look really nice actually.

[@albedo0point39]

It's basically a sensor in a metal box. There's no way a non-mainstream camera company like Sigma is going to pay the development costs on IBIS, modern shutter design etc. etc. - so this is a nice little product to get out into the market - just the box and the software development to get it shipped. I was thinking about it as a great minimalist travel camera, alongside something like a Ricoh GR III, this is the camera you pull out for those great cityscapes and vistas at high resolution. Even for that though it's too compromised - I'd want at least that rear screen to swing up, and I'd want integrated wifi to help get images off it.

[@FelipeFigueroaG]

I don't understand why Sigma keeps putting these super weird, extremely compromised cameras to the market. I'd get it if they performed well in some super specific niche that nobody else con compete with, but they just flat out don't perform...at all.

[@professionalpotato4764]

Sigma should just focus on what they make best, lenses. I don't understand the fp at all. Where is the 18-35 and 50-100 mirrorless versions :/ We need silent motors on those things. Or the 70-200 mirrorless version too.

[@basic-decaf]

61MP for $2,500 and 12-bit RAW 4K24p performs better than any other camera on the market, are you kidding me?

[@professionalpotato4764]

@@basic-decaf Did you even watch the video? The 12 bit raw is line skipped and soft. There's no internal 10 bit h264 or h265. Rolling shutter that's crazy, 7.5 dynamic range in 8 bit shooting. That's more potato than an entry level Canon DSLR that goes for $500.

[@basic-decaf]

@@professionalpotato4764 Entry level Canon DSLRs can't do 61MP, sorry. I did watch the video, and he clearly said internal 4K recordings outperformed a7r4. Literally his first point in the video section at 9:38. Yup, it's a "$500 entry level Canon DSLR" ... yet outperforming a7r4.. Yeah, keep trying. 12-bit RAW is line-skipped for the moment, but he also clearly stated 10-bit RAW is flawless... yes, that's 10-bit RAW direct to an SSD without dropping $1,000 on an Atomos kit. My Sony FX3 can't even do that and I paid $4,000 for it. Firmware can also handle ANY compression issues, like what? This isn't even on the market yet and Sigma releases new firmware every 2 months. And even then, for $2,500 it still outperforms anything in its class.

[@professionalpotato4764]

@@basic-decaf Thing is, you don't need 61mp for video. Even 45mp is pushing it. There's too much sacrificed for the resolution. Poor iso performance, poor rolling shutter, poor dynamic range. 61mp for stills, sure if you're printing to like a wall sized photo. If not, it's useless.

[@anciltech]

Man young Chris is like looking back at the Backstreet Boys/nsync. Putting Timberlake to shame!

[@markyg1964]

maybe not such a good idea to review pre-production cameras, put me right off even entertaining this camera

[@ALWH1314]

For the same price, same size sensor, way more features, it’s hard to pick this guy over Sony A7r4 for photography. Sigma may consider a model/price competing with Sony A7C instead.

[@TMM6900]

Wow. So damn sharp

[@devilangel4655]

Sigma lenses: yeahhhh Sigma camera: nohhhh

[@blazerbarrel2]

It is not a still camera !

[@christianfriedrichs]

3k$ for a a7r4? In Germany I would have to pay 4700$ including tax (4000€)! That's why a fp l sounds nice for 2300€ 👍

[@thegoldenamerican]

This guy just doesn’t like any of Sigmas cameras…..Bayer or Foveon …well documented

[@ChrisBoland]

Maybe if there were two EVFs, one on each side it would balance the camera out? 🤷‍♂️

[@pierrelaviolette670]

Sigma probably should have ironed out the major bugs before giving to reviewers

[@alwinbenjamin]

❤️‍🔥

[@unbroken1010]

The evf is a fortune and the gxr did modular better.

[@pandora807]

The camera is almost as disappointing as the missing good old opening :P

[@kamhunt500]

Sigma (head scratch) I know you all are geniuses but not when it comes to making a camera. No log profile? No 4K 120fps?

[@JodyBruchon]

You do realize that this thing has a 61MP sensor and is primarily intended for stills, right? You know that the processing power required to downscale 61MP to 8MP cleanly 120 times per second AND to compress those frames at the same time would require a lot more camera and use a lot more power, right? You know that log profiles generally worsen footage, right?