Dr. Brown Debates a 7th-Day Adventist on the Sabbath

[@firstnamelastname2552]

Keeping the Sabbath was the seal of the old covenant, which was a covenant God made with Israel, not with the gentiles. Gentiles were not expected to keep that law. As is explained in the Bible, if you try to keep the law, you have to keep ALL of it. And if you break one part of the law, you are guilty of breaking ALL of it. Christians are under the new covenant of salvation by grace through faith, thank God. Whom the Son sets free is free indeed.

[@brimacs]

+Firstname LastName what is sin? 1 john 3. 4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. if there is no law there is no sin and then no need for grace? 3 questions 1 what day did God bless rest and make holly? 2 when did God remove this blessing from the 7th day? 3 is Sunday worship a man chosen day or Gods?

[@BradSexson]

+Firstname LastName wrong again

[@firstnamelastname2552]

Good question, Alex. Believers in Christ are in the new covenant (Hebrews 7:22). Later when Christ returns He will bring in the house of Israel and the house of Judah who are under temporary hardening until the fullness of the gentiles come in (Romans 11:25). Jeremiah 31:31 says "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah." But Paul talks in Romans 11 about gentiles being grafted in like a wild branch is grafted onto a fig tree. Right now is the time of the gentiles. By God's grace, through faith in Christ, the elect gentiles are being grafted into the new covenant until Christ returns. Then He will gather Israel and Judah as they will look upon Him whom they pierced and weep like one who grieves for a firstborn son (Zechariah 12:10). They will at that time recognize Him as Messiah and they too will be under the new covenant. He will setup His throne in Jerusalem and all nations will flow to Him. Then the secondary prophecies concerning Messiah will be manifested, like peace on Earth, the land promise, all the things Jews are expecting from Messiah. So anyone who believes in Christ is in the new covenant but they don't all believe yet. For more info check out GotQuestions.org under the question "What is the New Covenant?"

[@firstnamelastname2552]

Hi, Brian. #1 God blessed the seventh day and made it holy (separate from the others). I don't argue that any other day is/was the Sabbath. The argument is that the Sabbath was given to Jews as a sign of the old covenant and there were no gentiles included in that covenant (Exodus 31:13). So, yes, Saturday is the Jewish Sabbath. No argument there. My problem is when you try to tell me that I, a gentile believer in Christ, must live under Jewish law when the New Testament clearly says I don't have to (Acts 15, Romans 6:19, Galatians 5:18). #2 The blessing was not removed from the seventh day or from the law in general. None of the blessings or the curses were removed or changed in the Jewish law but Jesus Christ did fulfill the law (Matthew 5:17). Jesus also says He is Lord of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8) and that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath (Mark 2:27). Christians rest in Christ as our Sabbath (Hebrews 4). The Mosaic law was for Jews who lived under the old covenant which I'm not bound to. If you want to rest on Saturdays go for it. That is your right and you have the freedom to do that. But do not try and tell me that I have to do it. This clearly falls into the category of Christian liberty. Paul talks about this in Colossians chapter 2 where he is very clear about the issue and even says in verse 16 not to let anyone judge us in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day. It's a matter of personal conscience. He also talks about matters of personal Christian liberty in Romans chapter 14. #3. Sunday is the day Christians meet because it was the day Christ rose from the dead. Early Christians met on Sunday and called it "The Lord's day" (Acts 20:7, Revelation 1:10). No one in the Bible says Sunday is the new Christian version of the Sabbath and I don't say it either. It's just the day we go to church. Again, if you want to abstain from work on Saturday go for it. If you want to have meetings on Saturday, I see no problem. Meet every day and worship Christ, or as many days as you can. Just don't try and impose it on other people because we are free in Christ. I know the 7th day Adventists teach that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast but I reject that teaching. I am confident in Christ that I am saved by grace through faith and not of my works, no matter which day I choose to meet with other Christians.

[@brimacs]

Firstname LastName Hi. Please, I dont want to force any beliefs on anyone. I know full well that If I was able to keep the whole law I still would not be saved. Only Jesus can save me. I would like to aks you 1 question. What is sin? God Bless Brother

[@MateuszOcalictocozgineoDariusz]

Our Sabah is in Christ and the Seal is Holly Spirit

[@everettcobb5399]

Christ, who is almighty God, created and kept the Sabbath: Exodus 31:12-18, Exodus 20:8-11, John 15:10, John 14:21

[@romacorinthians6105]

Dariusz Zubrowski Amen!!!

[@4thday892]

Jesus isn't God, and you don't have the "holy spirit" when you walk against the laws of God. Thats ridiculous

[@fcastellanos57]

Yes I agree the total Law is fulfilled by one sentence, “love your neighbor as yourself” that includes the sabbath

[@4thday892]

ELU - no he didn’t. And he isn’t . You’re missing the context as always

[@christheron4747]

Joh14:15 Jesus speaking: "If you love Me, keep my Commandments!" Jesus kept the Sabbath and that's good enough for me in my efforts to follow in the footsteps of Jesus! I do keep the Commandments, not to be saved but because I am saved! I am saved by grace not by my efforts in keeping the Commandments but because I want to display my gratitude through obedience to God. If I throw away one Commandment I can throw away all the others and that is ridiculous!

[@genecole2082]

I don't think anyone truly keeps the Sabbath. I say this because you would have to obey ALL the laws concerning the Sabbath. Such as if you have heat in your house in the winter time , you are kindling a fire on the Sabbath.

[@BornAgain490]

Just curious: have you ever lusted? Jesus said if you have you've committed adultery in your heart? Have you ever desired something someone else possessed, i.e., the type of home, their job or station in life, a vehicle, anything at all? That would be coveting. Have you ever told a lie, no matter how insignificant you might think it to be? How about being angry at someone with no real cause? Jesus says that is murder in your heart. Ever use God's name as a curse word? That's using God's name in vain, blasphemy. So, you keep Sabbath? In it thou shall do no wotk: do you cease all work according to the law? Sabbath is REST, and Jesus is our REST. Worship the LORD every day and REST in Jesus every day. Otherswise you're in a works based religion where you are claiming righteousness for your works, but God views your righteousness as like filthy menstrual rags. Peace and blessings.

[@Gregoire0]

Why and to who Jesus said 'New commandment I give it to you? New? What happened to the old one?

[@alexandedvarla2495]

@@Gregoire0 John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. disciples. His disciples in the past, his present disciples and His disciples of the future. John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

[@StephanieSomer]

@Chris Theron So, do you eat pork? Do you have a parapet on your roof? Have you stoned your disobedient children? Do you cut your beard? Do you wear clothing of mixed materials? Do you eat shellfish? Do you sacrifice livestock to remain in fellowship with God? I'm not trying to be difficult with you or demeaning. I'm simply pointing out that you , in all likelihood, HAVE thrown out at least one Commandment. There is no "christian" group that hasn't tossed some of the old system out. What differentiates the groups is what they throw out and what they keep. But, the reality is ALL throw out something. So, for any one group to point at another and tell them THEY are wrong in what they fail to do is pure hypocrisy. At least that's how Christ characterized it.

[@JavierLopez-iy8nz]

Dr Brown, I know I’m about five years late to the broadcast but hopefully you will get my message. As an ex-Seventh Day Adventist who still has family in the SDA church, I ask that you please do a program on just SDA and Ellen G. White. God bless!

[@markdonnaabbott3977]

@Javier. Dale Ratzlaff on YT channel Former Adventist, does some great study on EW and Sabbath. I discovered him after I left SDA church. God bless you on your journey. I'm still praying for those in my former church.

[@DioxiMartinez]

I would richly appreciate that.

[@savedby_grace6110]

SDA follow Elena as if she was God. Idolatry!

[@mitchellosmer1293]

@@savedby_grace6110 quote---SDA follow Elena as if she was God. Idolatry.. unquote NOPE!! I have been an SDA for OVER 40 years and preached Many sermons!! NEVER ONCE did I quote EGW!!!! My truth IS THE BIBE!! btw--NO SDA prays to EGW!! Nor do any bow to her!!! Idolatry is placing an idol above God.

[@steve2841]

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

[@DTraylor]

The seal of the living God..... After you heard the message of truth-the Good News of your salvation-and when you put your trust in Him, you were sealed with the promised Ruach ha-Kodesh. He is the guarantee of our inheritance, until the redemption of His possession-to His glorious praise! Ephesians 1:13-14 TLV

[@josiemcguinness6570]

Jesus is the Sabbath rest.

[@FreedomsNurse]

Jesus never murdered anyone. Therefore, we are free to murder as much as we want.

[@a.k.a.watchmenwakeup]

The Search For Truth as long as you don’t hate the people you murder?🤔

[@a.k.a.watchmenwakeup]

Walk as he walked 🤔 Do everything my son commands you🤔 Peter said that they would twist his words 🤔 Now every so-called Christian worships mithra and Ishtar But the put the messiahs name on it🤔 Did Christ not say this would happen? MANY WILL SAY IM THE CHRIST BUT THEY WILL DECEIVE MANY🤔 Many x many equals a lot 😢

[@a.k.a.watchmenwakeup]

It’s a good thing that the harvest workers are going to turn many to righteousness in the last days.

[@johngreene8332]

Exactly--our rest is in a Person not a day. It is when I learned this I left the Adventist Church. Although there are a ton of problems with that group I always thought they may have a point on the Sabbath. Once I read in Hebrews that Jesus is our Sabbath rest, I felt comfortably in leaving that group.

[@MGTOW222]

Narrow is the path that leads to salvation.

[@MGTOW222]

@menervah Preach it to me baby

[@dohnlabalaba9470]

Dr. Brown Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments. We keep the law because we are saved. Thank you for your program. Look at the perspective of the "deep things of God" from the perspective of Paul once in Jewish tradition into Christ's mind (Philippians 2:5, Romans 12: 2, 16, 1 Cor. 2:16). Colossians 2: 14 --18 indicates ceremonial laws abolished at the cross, for Christ is the fulfillment. I am a Seventh day Adventist and I like your debates.

[@angiesc67]

I'm not a SDA, i go to no church, but I keep a Saturday Sabbath. GOD'S requirements are instructions, not law. The law that we are not under are the man made laws which are impossible to keep. GOD'S requirements are a pleasure, and a blessing.

[@ertfgghhhh]

what about Him asking us to assemble? that He does in both testaments

[@angiesc67]

Yes. I do fellowship outside of the church with messianic Jews, and Christians of different denominations, but I refuse to sit in a Christian church and have blatant lies preached at me. Hopefully one day I'll find a messianic congregation that follows Torah...and leaves the rabbi's oral laws outside.

[@ertfgghhhh]

enotstehw how rude

[@ertfgghhhh]

angiesc67 i was referring to assembly-not fellowship.all churches do not preach lies. the truth is being told often. we are out there. plz dont let past experience prejudice u against the body of Christ. messianic christians are a denomination also (if u have an issue with denomination), btw. being a jew that follows Christ does not make one better or closer to God than a gentile who follows Him. the scriptures teaches us. a lot of people who are prejudice against churches tend to run to them. to each his own. i truly hope that u find what u are looking for, sis.

[@angiesc67]

@@ertfgghhhh I did Thanks. Boy!!! Was I deceived back then 🙏🏽

[@tyronejames4187]

I think we should follow the Sabbath. God hallowing the Sabbath was before the Torah, which means I equate this with the marriage statement in Genesis 1, and not to eat anything with blood, given to Noah in Genesis 9. It also says in Isaiah 56:4-7 of eunuchs and foreigners following the Sabbath. Also, good to know about Zechariah 14 and 1 Corinthians 5. Thank you Dr. Brown.

[@Peaches-No-Cream]

As a Bible believer, every day should be a day or worship and prayer. As a Christian, you have to understand that we meet together on Sunday because that was the day Christ rose from the grave. As practiced in the book of Acts, the meeting took place the First day of the Week; Sunday. The Sabbath day was and is for Jews. Also, understand that the Old Testament was directed towards Old Testament Israel. God said to rightly divide his word, which we MUST do. Look into Dispensationalism and you'll get a fuller grasp on what I mean.

[@tyronejames4187]

@@Peaches-No-Cream I read Acts 20:17. It does mention the first day of the week, but in verse 6, it mentions the Days of the Unleavened Bread. This could mean Paul followed Jewish holidays. I have something to ask you. If Jesus remembered the Sabbath, and it was his custom to teach in the synagogue on the Sabbath (Luke 4:16), and Paul could be interpreted as keeping the Sabbath (Acts 17:2, 18:4), why shouldn't we?

[@Peaches-No-Cream]

@@tyronejames4187 Who was Paul? He was a Jew. He observed Jewish customs and had Jewish Traditions, but he never once in any of the Pauline Epistles to the churches mentioned doing any of the Jewish traditions. The only ordinances that were practiced in the Book of Acts were The Lord's Supper and Baptism, and even then those things had no saving power. That's why dispensation is so important to understand that there was a transitional period toward the latter end of the first century. Christ said "ye do these things IN REMEMBRANCE of me"

[@Peaches-No-Cream]

@@tyronejames4187 Now, I'm not saying that what God said is wrong and that we shouldn't observe a holy day of rest or that what the Jews of the time did was wrong, but looking at it from a Gentile viewpoint, it doesn't make sense to take practices from people who can't practice it themselves. It's not about what day you worship, because every day is worship.

[@davidturner1641]

@@tyronejames4187 NOT to put you down, but t clarify... it cannot be "interpreted" that Paul kept the commandments. Paul states as a FACT he ALWAYS kept Torah. He was a "Jew among JEWS" "A Pharisee of Pharisees".

[@joannedupreez9230]

Jesus summarised the law: love your God. Love your neighbour. The first 4 commandments are how you show love for God. The last 6 are how you show love for your neighbour. The 4th commandment is God's "date day", set by God himself.

[@gapfenix]

Plain and simple. Thanks.

[@blesstothelord]

How many days do most Adventists work in a week?

[@jcthomas3408]

The commandments were our tutor (Gal 3:24-25) until Christ came. Now we are no longer under that tutor. When you are born again, the Holy Spirit changes your heart and helps us to do good. But keeping the 10 commandments are no longer our law and cannot save us. Keeping the Sabbath was a way to remember that the Israelites rest is in the Lord. Now we have Jesus, who told us to remember his body that was broken and his blood spilled for us in communion. Jesus is our rest. Never in the NT does Jesus tell us to keep the Sabbath. He does repeat the other 9 commandments, as well as a boatload of other instructions on how to love God and others. (Do not pray loudly using empty phrases, do not be anxious, do not look at a woman with lust, etc.)

[@stevek7150]

Jc Thomas the word commandments may refer to the book of the law written by Moses and was placed next to the ark as a witness against us. It contained the blessings and the curses and the sanctuary regulation. The Ten Commandments were written in stone by god himself and place inside the ark. Galatians may be simply a reference to the fact that the book of the law which contained the ordinances relating to the sanctuary was leading us to Christ. Christ is the lamb slain, he is also our high priest, he was represented by those things written in the book. And when Christ came to earth the first time he fulfilled those things that the sanctuary laws pointed to. But the Ten Commandments were never intended to pass away. Revelation says three times in contrast to those who receive the mark of the beast that “here are they that keep the commandments.” In fact one Daniel his vision is that the antichrist/ little horn thinks to change gods times and laws. They never actually changed tho.

[@davidturner1641]

a summary is not the WHOLE. That would be like describing a bird with a summary that is has wings and saying then birds have no legs.... Your statement does NOT stand up to any form of debate.

[@steve2841]

If the sabbath is no longer valid, then we're at liberty to break the other 9.

[@genecole2082]

No Christian would think like that. Love God & Love one another.

[@genecole2082]

The Bible says Should we sin that Grace may abound, God forbid. We are not breaking the Sabbath. Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. Jesus Christ is our rest , our Sabbath.

[@mabriz5364]

You break them all anyway. If you break one, you break them all. To say you break none, claims you are sinless.

[@steve2841]

@@genecole2082 The Sabbath was made for man ( athropos) = mankind. Resting in Jesus means that you're submitted to Him. Why would you want to do away with God's memorial to creation, which is the 7th Day Sabbath, and readily accept the pagan Sunday that was instituted by Rome? Dan.7:25 If your advocating transgression, like your doing, think this through. If you love Me keep My commandments. Jn.14.

[@steve2841]

@@mabriz5364 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:3

[@brendanbaughman288]

The Lord's given you much wisdom Dr.brown thanks for always being gracious and speaking the truth in love ✝💒

[@aflopa]

I am repeating myself...I have seen many excellent teachings from Mr Brown but in this case...why is he so willing to avoid discussing the real issue...should we, the christians, keep the Sabbath or not...simple, why not, why yes... It would be really interesting point to resolve the questions instead of trying to get a yes or now and trying to make the doctrine appear as a curse for those who don´t rest on saturday from the view of the SDA. Also the little question of why don´t you keep all feats...

[@sybix]

1 John 2:4 Whoever says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. www.churchofgodperspective.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/sun-day_straight_from_the_horses_mouth-widened.jpg

[@TBalkoth]

It's pretty simple really, colossians 2:16: "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day." Basically, if you want to keep the sabbath, go for it!! You are totally welcome to, but do not force anyone else to do so, because no one is obligated to do it now that we are in Christ.

[@sergeant5848]

@@TBalkoth Your interpretation is wrong on so many levels!

[@monicalongo2034]

God give us 10 commandments, and one of them is to keep the seventh day sabbath holy. No debate

[@savedby_grace6110]

Who does us refer to?

[@stevek7150]

Saved By_Grace Jesus said sabbath was made for man and not man made for the sabbath. So from that I’d say sabbath is for mankind. He didn’t say it was for the Jews. The sabbath predates the Jews since on the seventh day after creation he rested. Like an artist signing his finished work in this case with the seal of god the sabbath.

[@stevek7150]

Jose Riquelme what’s the 613 mitzvot? How does it makes sense that god would have laws for man that are impossible to keep? How is it possible that the laws of god go against the law of Christ? So, since the Jews added laws on top of laws and added laws on top of the sabbath commandment and the other commandments that means that if you don’t follow all these added laws then it’s hypocritical? I’m confused. There’s 10 commandments, brief, authoritative, and comprehensive. Adding to the laws is just as bad as taking away from them. Why can’t we just let the Bible speak for itself on what the laws are without meddling with them? Jesus kept the sabbath himself, it says it was his custom to go to synagogue on the sabbath. He said it was lawful to do good on the sabbath day as opposed to the teachers of the law who made it into a burden impossible to keep. Jesus was interested in gods commandments and disregarded mans additions. A good example to follow.

[@stevek7150]

Jose Riquelme slavery to the law is talking about the law of sin and death. It’s not slavery to keep the 10 commandments, they’re called the law of liberty.

[@stevek7150]

Jose Riquelme this is very true but needs to be taken in context. Next verse in col 2:17 makes it clear that these sabbath days are those that are a shadow of things to come. There is the law of Ten Commandments written on stone and placed inside the ark but there is also the book of the law that is written by hand and contains the blessings and curses and was placed beside the ark. The book of the law contained all the ordinances and laws which are a shadow. Moses was shown a pattern of the sanctuary in heaven and this pattern or shadow was to point toward the sacrifice of Jesus who then became our high priest in heaven, he became our sacrifice and pleads his blood in the real and true tabernacle not built by human hands but in the actual heavenly sanctuary. Clearly in Matthew 11:29 the sabbath was made for man, not only the Jew. The sabbath is instituted in the garden of eden before sin just like the institution of marriage it is one of the institutions that we kept from paradise. Sabbath days associated with the feasts and new moons are in context dealing with the book of the law and it was nailed to the cross and is passed away because Christ is the high priest. That’s why we no longer keep the sanctuary laws and feasts and sacrifices. Check out the context of these verses and see for yourself if it’s dealing with the book of the law or the Ten Commandments.

[@normajeanray]

I wish the speaker would have pointed out Hebrew 4 that explains the reality(not the 7th day shadow) of the Sabbath. Verse 1 says, "Therefore, since the promise of entering His Rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it." He doesn't say it's only one day of the week but every day. He doesn't call it Saturday, but 'TODAY' Hebrew 4:7 "Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it Today"..... And everyday through all eternity. It's a rest from our own plan to living God's plan forever and ever. Read the chapter 1-13. It explains it better than I can. It's an eye opener. The rest from our plans we'll have in heaven as well is every day. Praise the Lord. His plans are not our plans. Our ways are not His ways. 💕

[@FWFE1]

Real followers will WANT and AIM to keep as much of the laws as they can, but if they’re unrealistic for their means, (like sacrificing a heffer or a lamb) then He will understand. People who study, and learn the truths will follow those truths, ie if someone follows Sunday sabbbath then learns it’s wrong, they should switch to Saturday. If a follower can follow the feasts, the new moons, the sabbaths... then they should, but they don’t have to. Salvation by faith and faith alone. But, there’s a difference between being just saved and just inside the gates of heaven and having more glory in Heaven, such as more crowns, a place deeper within the gates, a spot closer to Him etc. This is all standard theology and it’s very clear if one just reads the texts, lol. It’s not complicated. God bless everyone who will have it.

[@shellyblanchard5788]

We all want to be made righteous by doing good, but the only way we are righteous is by his blood.

[@shellyblanchard5788]

keeping the Sabbath does not make you saved. Believing in Christ does. The SDA believes you have to keep Sabbath to be saved. Also so they keep dietary laws which we are not under.

[@shellyblanchard5788]

Our sabbath is in Christ. The Sabbath day was under the old covenant.

[@shellyblanchard5788]

You can't really earn salvation it is the gift of God. But we have to learn how live in God grace. Not by the law of the old covenant but by faith. trying to be saved by work of the old covenant doesn't work either. That is what they were talking acts 15 when the Pharisees told you only be saved keeping the Mosaic law.

[@shellyblanchard5788]

Jesus taught what makes unclean. Not the food we eat, but how we act one another. like stealing from someone or lying to a friend, and so on.

[@shellyblanchard5788]

Thing about it is when we are changed person in the spirit, we want to do good. Not because we have to or we are forced to like under the law, but we do right because he puts in in our spirit. Under the law they were made to do it. Now we treat each right because he puts it in our spirit. The flesh isn't subject to obeying to God, that is why we have that struggle there.

[@Coco-qz7fn]

does this not hold for Paul and Peters arguments? Romans 14:22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. As a former Seventh day Adventist I struggled with the Sabbath conundrum But this verse was one of many i was pointed to that made sense to me. Curious on thoughts about this scripture.

[@brianhyde5900]

As another has said: "The Bible states very clearly the "sufficiency" of Christ in regards to our justification and reconciliation to God the Father. The simple point is this. Speaking about the commandments, Sabbaths have the "appearance" of holiness but according to the very next verses (Colossians 2:16) "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. these are "shadow" of the things that were to come; the reality however, is found in Christ." It will always come down to what are we really giving the glory in our discussions. Any time any thing in any conversation is exhalted above Christ. It's time to go back to the Scriptures and check our doctrine. That's myself included of course. So I guess the point in me quoting that verse was to simply say there is no hope for any breathing being on this planet in regards to "keeping the law" (Ten Commandments). It is hopeless without Jesus Christ. Romans 3:20 "Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works/deeds of the law; rather, through the law become conscious of our sin." The Scriptures teach that sin literally gets its strength from the law. 1st Corinthians 15:56 "The sting of death is sin, and the "power" of sin is the law." The Apostle Paul said if it weren't for the law I would not have known how to covet. But now that the law has come I find all types of covetousness in me. We should sprint full force away from the law and into the grace of God in Jesus Christ our Lord. The law is a mirror showing us our sinful state. But we can't wash ourselves with the mirror. We take the "knowledge" of what the mirror has given us and go to wash ourselves in the waters of Christ. As I'm sure you know that comes by our faith in his life, death, burial and resurrection. THE GOSPEL, The main thing, is to keep the main thing, the main thing....LOL. And that's Jesus. .." To which I also must respond: But keep in mind that the audience was first century Jews being delivered out of the old covenant law. Not you and I, today. The Jews (not Gentiles) were under the Law for the Law was given to them (alone) and through them the "public spectacle" was made. They (not Gentiles who were not placed under the Law (Romand 2) had a conscience of sin because the blood of animals that they were continually offering, could not make them that offered, perfect as pertaining to the conscience (Heb 9:9), for the very reasons you have stated. Moreover, under command of Law, the soul was forever kept in bondage to a sin consciousness and death (law being both the source of sin's knowledge and strength of sin's death sting). Contrary things (sacrifice vs mercy) could never co-exist in peace. There was no release; nothing could deliver from sin's guilt kept "alive" by law's testimony and condemnation. Only the spotless blood of Jesus, the "lamb of God", who bore the sins of the world in His soul, was able to remove sin's guilt. Only through His blood, could man be delivered rom the "body of death" (Rom 7:24). Only through His blood, could man be "purged" from a defiled conscience (cf. Heb 10:22 "evil conscience"). It is in the VERY state of KNOWING Christ had been made sin for him, and in the VERY state of KNOWING Christ had been made wisdom, justification, sanctification and glorification" (at every stage leading to the full measure of a man in Christ and thus always complete Christ) for him that man was set free. It was in the VERY POSSESSION of an UNDEFILED conscience, that man enabled to serve God in his spirit, for it was for freedom that Christ set man free, for where the Lord's Spirit is, there is freedom --, both from the dominion of sin and the law of sin. (Galatians 5:1: 2Corinthians 3:17; Romans 6:14; Galatians 2:19; Romans 7:6). The condemnation of law and conscience / consciousness of sin, were taken away in Christ Jesus. God made Christ the end of the Law and made Christ the end of sin. "The law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus set man free from the law of sin and death and gave man the righteousness of God, a righteousness which has nothing to do with law yet satisfies law. (Romans 8:1-4; 3:21). Those who try to justify the existence of the old covenant Law, today, do not know what they are talking about (1Tim 1:7). They are attempting to bring man back under the consciousness of sin and sin dominion. They are attempting to bring man under a defiled conscience. They are attempting to restore that which is contrary to man. They are attempting to make man a slave to law. They are attempting to replace a work of grace, for a work of law. They are glorifiers of Law and nullifiers of Grace. They are the enemies of the Gospel of Grace.

[@brianhyde5900]

Thank you, Frank. But I find your conclusions to be unbiblical. There was no "Sabbath day" at Creation. The word "Sabbath" does not even enter the language of Creation. There is no evidence that Day 7 of Creation is the same day of the week which the Hebrew kep as a Sabbath, 2, 500 years after Creation. If anything what is written in Genesis is probably Moses writing with the hindsight of Sabbath observance. With Hebrew hermeneutics the "law of first mention" dictates context as to when something has its beginning (comes in into existence and is recognised). It is always pre-fixed with an "a" First mention is Exodus 16 where the seventh day (the following day) is called "s Sabbath" And again following this Hebrew rule, once something has been introduced only then is prefixed "the", thus thereafter it is called "THE Sabbath" There is no mention in scripture of Adam keeping a Sabbath. Besides, he did not need a Sabbath not even ceremonially, because when created he was in a sate of permanent rest in his spirit. And even if he did observe a Sabbath it does not mean that what he did not cease doing anything in the Garden for nothing he did was "not holy" for Adam was holy at that stage. Claiming a Sabbath from Creation is claiming a Sabbath from silence which is not a good heremeneutic in my view. I call it assumption. There was no law in Eden. Adam and Eve had one instruction ro command. There is no evidence in Genesis that the Sabbath was a Creation ordinance which man would follow by nature, as in natural law. Rather when the Sabbath was given it came by SPECIAL REVELATION. It was given by SPECIAL REVELATION because it was a weekly ceremony with 39 associated legal functions (it came with a whole list of instructions as to HOW it was to be carried out, ritualistically). It was given AS A SIGN (a sign is a symbol) to remind the children of Israel how God had delivered them OUT OF EGYPT. Indeed as Deuteronomy where it plainly states the reason it was given Deuteronomy 5 12 “Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. THEREFORE (FOR THIS REASON) Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day. The entire ethos of physical rest was of learning to rest in God's power so that one day they would enter into the spiritual rest provided by Christ's redemptive work. ALL the law was a schoolmaster, including ceremonies like the weekly Sabbath. This is why it is called a shadow. It is a ceremony because it forbid one day in seven, what it allowed six days in seven. The Sabbath was not about sin it was about Jewish remebrance. The context of the Sabbath command makes it clear that it was for the Jews alone. The Sabbath was also a SIGN of Israel's separation from other nations. Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily ye shall keep my sabbaths: for it is a SIGN BETWEEN ME AND YOU throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am Jehovah who sanctifieth you. The last generation was between AD 30 and AD 70 This for a Christian to take a Jewish object lesson and carry out its ritual is as absurd as an adult going back to kindergarten to learn how to be an adult. The argument from Paul is a facile one. He was an ethnic Jew and this required him to keep the Sabbath. My guess is the laws of the city of Jerusalem were tied in with the law of the Sabbath as is reflected by the gates being closed by the civil authorities on the Sabbath. The Jewish leaders were sticklers for watching for those who broke the Sabbath. And they would have punished any offender. Which brings me to another matter. Sabbath keepers not only blatantly disregard the fact that with the Law it was keeping ALL 600 plus laws or nothing, (you could not pick and choose what you would follow and what you would not follow) but they blatantly disregard the fact that a law has a penal code that goes with it. A law without is penal code is of no effect; the whole force of law is its penal code otherwise its just as useless as a train timetable without trains. The same applies to all the laws, including the rest of the Ten. There were serious penalties involved in failing to keep the Sabbath. Sabbath-keepers also disregard the fact that NOTHING could be done with regard to the Sabbath WITHOUT THE SABBATH OFFERINGS and thus WITHOUT the PRIESTHOOD and the TEMPLE. Moreover, Paul was still under the old covenant law 1. until the first century believers reached the full measure of a man in Christ and were themselves "a kind of first fruits" 2 unitl the Law finally "disappeared" in AD 70 at the destruction of the Temple. The Law ceased to play any further role in the affairs of men the moment ancient Judah ceased to be God's people and the Temple was destroyed and the services ended. And that occurred one generation after the Cross just as Jesus predicted. . The Gentiles were not Jews under Jewish laws and not under the Jewish Sabbath which is why there is, as would be expected, total silence in Paul's writings about anything to do with a keeping of a Sabbath keeping and silence about how it was to be kept by Christians. as far as Gentiles were concerned. Rather he shows how, as with all the Sabbath days, it was a shadow. Paul make that very clear, despite desperate attempts by Sabbath-keepers to twist and deconstruct the meaning of Colossians 2 to the contrary . ALL the Law was a shadow of things to come. The Law was schoolmaster/tutor/guardian to bring the Jews to faith and to the substance which is Christ. In attempting to restore the Sabbath, Sabbath-keepers are rejecting the true context of the Sabbath and denying Christ as the Substance. We are not Jews under law. We are Christians under grace. We are not under ANY law. Believers are not counted by God as Jews under old covenant law. They are counted by God as having been raised out of old covenant law into new covenant spirit of grace. Thus they have no standing before God on the basis of the old covenant man in Adam but a standing before God as the new covenant man in Christ (the second Adam). Thus they are dead to sin and dead to the law of sin that ministered to the flesh, and are alive to righteousness and alive to the law of the spirit of life that ministers to the spirit. (Rom 6:1-10; 7:1-6; 8:1-4; Gal 2:19) There is no authority in scripture for a Christian for keeping the Jewish Sabbath. Indeed its not an act of obedience but disobedience to serve God in the old way of commandments. "...serving God NOT in the old way of the written code but in the new way of the spirit (Romans 7:6)

[@brianhyde5900]

Frank, No, that is not the facts of the case. There is no mention of the Sabbath until just before Sinai, 2500 years AFTER CREATION. You are full of assumptions. Why don't you pay attention to what scripture actually says and not what you THINK it says. God did not "ask" Israel to keep the Sabbath He COMMANDED Israel to keep the Sabbath day NOT HIS REST. YOU CANNOT COMMAND REST They were commanded to keep a DAY and to do so on PAIN OF DEATH. They were commanded to do so as a SIGN (a sign is a SYMBOL) a memorial of their deliverance from Egyptian slavery (Deut 5). Why don't you pay attention to the context? You have no authority to hijack old testament texts apply them to yourself and try to impose them on others. This is a classic example of twisting scripture out of context. You are using eisogesis not exegesis. God did NOT command Cristians to commemorate deliverance from Egyptian bondage for obvious reasons. .

[@brianhyde5900]

Christians were not commanded to observe a physical day, limited by time to 24 hours a week and on pain of death; they were invited to enter into spiritual rest with Christ in God (where their life was already hid - Col 3:3) a rest unlimited by time and in complete freedom.

[@brianhyde5900]

Nonsense

[@mariahvilla2354]

I belive mr Brian is correct. and I belive Jesus is our rest.our Sabbath

[@tdickensheets]

Seventh-Day Adventists judge Christians very harshly for not keeping "Sundown Friday to Sundown Saturday." Christians, on the other hand, don't condemn others for worshiping on Saturday if that is their preference. Christians recognize that we are under grace, and not under the Law. The Apostle Paul wrote to the Colossians, "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or A SABBATH DAY--things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." (Col. 2:16,17). No one calling himself a Christian should judge another respecting the Sabbath, and yet the SDA church would have Christians receive the "mark of the beast" for not keeping the Saturday sabbath. They have therefore made salvation dependent on which day of the week one keeps. Hebrews, chapter four, shows that the fulfillment of the Jewish Sabbath was not the keeping of the same day by Christians, but the entering of Christians into God's rest. The early Christians preached on the Jewish Sabbath because the Jews were gathered in the synagogue on that day. (See Acts 17:2-4). Their fellowship together was always the "first day" of the week, Sunday, the day of Christ's resurrection. (See Acts 20:7)

[@Rio-uv1gs]

The feast days were blotted out in Colossians 2:14-17 (Ordinances)

[@Romans-cn8mw]

No Bible believing Christian, as myself, believes that the Sabbath is now Sunday. Until the New Earth, the Sabbath is the 7th Day. This crap was done by a pope, an anti-Christ. Where does it tells us God will create the New Earth and Heavens in 6 days, exactly as He created this universe? Yet, I rest in Jesus. My obedience or lack there of to the Ten Commandments or even the law written on my heart is not what makes me a child of God, a member of the Kingdom. If this was the case, no one would be justified to enter the narrow gate. It is by grace through faith alone.

[@yobro6053]

Well the jews who follow the sabbaths Saturday will follow their ant Christ messiah. So it doesn't make sense

[@sirnunez7923]

oh member of kingdoms aye, well guess what this is addressed ... ‘No, we want a king to rule over us’-even though the Lord your God was your king. 13 Now here is the king you have chosen, the one you asked for; see, the Lord has set a king over you. 14 If you fear the Lord and serve and obey him and do not rebel against his commands, and if both you and the king who reigns over you follow the Lord your God-good! 15 But if you do not obey the Lord, and if you rebel against his commands, his hand will be against you, as it was against your ancestors. 16 “Now then, stand still and see this great thing the Lord is about to do before your eyes! 17 Is it not wheat harvest now? I will call on the Lord to send thunder and rain. And you will realize what an evil thing you did in the eyes of the Lord when you asked for a king.” 18 Then Samuel called on the Lord, and that same day the Lord sent thunder and rain. So all the people stood in awe of the Lord and of Samuel. 19 The people all said to Samuel, “Pray to the Lord your God for your servants so that we will not die, for we have added to all our other sins the evil of asking for a king.” 20 “Do not be afraid,” Samuel replied. “You have done all this evil; yet do not turn away from the Lord, but serve the Lord with all your heart. 21 Do not turn away after useless idols. They can do you no good, nor can they rescue you, because they are useless. 22 For the sake of his great name the Lord will not reject his people, because the Lord was pleased to make you his own. 23 As for me, far be it from me that I should sin against the Lord by failing to pray for you. And I will teach you the way that is good and right. 24 But be sure to fear the Lord and serve him faithfully with all your heart; consider what great things he has done for you. 25 Yet if you persist in doing evil, both you and your king will perish.”

[@darrellblanchard5887]

show me In Scripture where the sabbath was changed to the first day

[@AlexartCorp]

Jesus resurrected on the first day and the first church used to gather on the first days of the weeks, now the question for you is in the same way, where did the Apostles or Jesus commanded to keep the sabbath?

[@ncsfinest21]

Your right Jesus did rise on the first. But He rested on the Sabbath from His work of ministry on earth. The first church never kept the Sabbath on the first day. We all know who changed the Sabbath and even the papacy will acknowledge that they did.

[@youthcomputercenter5372]

dear darrel ; sorry if my fellow christians are not explaining somes things clearly. Fact is that, the same God who gave the 10CC is the same God who abolished the 10CC in the new covenant teaching. In the new covenant, the letters of the apostles to the gentiles is our law; I will prove it using scripture alone. If you are willing to see the evidence, let me know then i will give you the evidence.

[@davidturner1641]

YES PLEASE show me lolololol

[@davidturner1641]

"19 Therefore, I judge not to trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God- 20 but to write to them to abstain from the contamination of idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what is strangled, and from blood. [c] 21 For Moses from ancient generations has had in every city those who proclaim him, since he is read in all the synagogues every Shabbat.” The Torah is still to be taught... EVERY SABBATH... WHY??? AND WHY are they NOT worried? It is because ALL believers will still meet EVERY SABBATH/7th DAY!!!!! and ALSO will be taught... TORAH... EVERY SABBATH!!!! The logic and truth is very simple. Let him who has ears, hear!

[@Robinfuckable]

This is one thing the Jewish people got right It was the papacy that change it to Sunday Even the books of Paul , Paul is worshiping on the 7th day

[@honesty2152]

So we are not supposed to worship God apart from some day called the Sabbath? Colossians 2:15

[@jcthomas3408]

Actually the disciples came together on the (Acts 20:7) first day of the week because it was resurrection day!

[@terrigvinesful]

Paul and Jesus went to the Synagogue to teach because it was the only time that they could get the Jews together! Then ask yourself why was the Temple destroyed? Because Jesus is our Temple that lives in us. No Temple is needed any longer! He died to save us from the Religious Pharisees yet we are right back where they were today.

[@truthbebold4009]

@@terrigvinesful ... Are you saying that the Sabbath day rest is Pharisaical?

[@terrigvinesful]

Truth Be Bold absolutely not! Although the Pharisees did keep it but they added their own laws and they were as Jesus said “Your Father is the Devil and you will do as he does “. They were hypocrites! Jesus was telling them that they were not doing as the Father told them to do! Just read what Jesus said to them! He obviously didn’t have any use for them! The temple was destroyed because Jesus is now our Temple!

[@CastlevaniaDXC]

You can't be serious.....I don't even go to church and anyone who reads the Bible knows that the 7th Day Sabbath is Saturday 🤦‍♂️

[@joshuat770]

Agreed

[@iancournand4139]

CEREMONIAL LAW Leviticus 23 New International Version (NIV) The Appointed Festivals 23 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed festivals, the appointed festivals of the Lord, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies. The Sabbath 3 “‘There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a sabbath to the Lord. The Passover and the Festival of Unleavened Bread

[@cynthiaerickson3646]

On the Jewish calender,Saturday is their last day of the week so its Sabbath.however,the Apostles met on Sunday,the Lord's Day also,to worship with Jewish and gentile beleivers.the gentile week starts monday,7th day is Sunday.we are not blasphemy the Lord by worshipping on Sunday or any other day of the week and if Christ comes today they will be saved.

[@bernieflores6350]

cynthia Erickson there is no scripture evidence that Sunday was called the lords day. That is a man made tradition and not New Testament scripture. Only on books of man you find Sunday as lords day but in the New Testament itself there is no scripture evidence being referred to as the Lords day.

[@ChrisTian-tz3eq]

@@cynthiaerickson3646 The Roman Gregorian calendar is NOT the calendar of The Most High... ( No where in the scriptures does the "New Year" begin on January 1st, in the dead of winter! ( See Exodus 12 : 2 for clarification )... Or the 7th day Sabbath on what the Mother Roman Catholic Church, and her Mainstream Protestant Daughters, view as "Sunday", "The First Day of The Week"... The "Jewish" apostles always met for worship on the 7th day Sabbath, and on the Biblical Feast Days of the Year.... ( Christ's death, burial, and resurrection was during the Spring Feast Days of YHWH (See Leviticus 23 ) ...So, "Sunday", in all actuality, really has no validity of anything but a common work day, unless it happens to occur on any of the "appointed" Yearly Feast Days.

[@sketchbook1]

Why are the Seventh Day Adventists so obsessed with the Sabbath? The man says it was instituted at Creation, reminded of at Sinai, and will be re-instituted in the Kingdom... yet Paul never put a high priority on it at all in the Scriptures. Neither did Peter or any other apostle. It's like the very heart of the SDA gospel, yet it's not even near the heart of NT teachings.

[@louannwilliams5508]

Some have said the pope changed the Sabbath day to sunday.

[@lazarusthehumblecritic8390]

Constantine instituted the first blue laws. It's an interesting study. The Catholic Church upheld Sunday and eventually the whole Church kept it but at the beginning even clergy kept the Seventh Day Sabbath.

[@davidturner1641]

it is a fact the romans changed the sabbath. it is even documented reasonably wellll

[@theiqwaver3801]

The Roman Catholic Church:Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. "The Day of the Lord" (dies Dominica) was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy. -Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995 Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept? A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; -she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the Seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority. -Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174 Let's take a look at an excerpt from the "Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine" QUESTION: What day is the Sabbath day? ANSWER: Saturday is the Sabbath day. QUESTION: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? ANSWER: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.

[@thenewtestamentactivists4119]

KA: Alex Castro I always work which never hinder my sense of worship which has been burning in my heart as the Menorah burn cesaelessly in the ancient tabernacle, if no work only on Sabbath to keep it holy then does that mean rest of the days no need to be holy? The commandment is that "be holy as I'm holy" Is that apply only on Sabbath?

[@MyJudgedread]

Only God can make something Holy ... only HE has the authority to declare something HOLY. Live under GRACE ... do not work on the Sabbath? ... easy ... take a nap, go to the beach, have family lunch with your mates and family, plus spend some time worshipping Jesus, as the Lord of the Sabbath, the Creator, Your Redeemer, your Friend ... let HIS GRACE declare what is Holy and what is not ... don't try and WORK to make the Sabbath Holy ... you can't WORK for salvation (declaring HOLY) ... it is a gift of God ...

[@CC-ee7bj]

When this video was uploaded I was a seventh-day Adventist and I strongly disagreed with what Dr. Brown was saying so maybe I can give some insight into why Adventists believe we must still keep the Sabbath. Long post ahead so be warned. The issue is that Adventist teaching tries to separate out the 10 commandments as "God's moral law" from the "statutes and ordinances" which they call "Moses' ceremonial law". The problem is that this distinction is simply not Biblical: Many times in the OT "God's law" is used to describe things like feast days, while the ten commandments are described as the law of Moses. The Bible is quite clear, it's ALL the law of God. Adventists place heavy emphasis on the stone tablets being placed inside the ark while book of the law being placed OUTSIDE in the OT, claiming that this is just the statutes and ordinances written by Moses and that is what was nailed to the cross with Christ, often making a claim like "you can't nail stone to the cross" and that "whatever God writes with His finger is eternal"... totally ignoring that the tablets written personally by God were smashed by Moses! They completely miss the fact that it was the Torah, the entire 5 first books laid besides the ark which also contains the ten commandments! They also miss the fact that that since the 10 commandments are contained in the Torah, this means the 10 commandments as written on the stone tablets have passed away. Adventists equate the stone tablets as the ultimate expression of God's law, so they think that if they want to please God in Christ they need to look BACK to the stone tablets. Sadly they totally miss that the stone tablets are supposed to point FORWARD to Christ. In an Adventist's mind the stone tablets = ULTIMATE ETERNAL LAW OF GOD, they do not understand that the stone tablets are a shadow just like everything else, because they've tried to separate them out from the rest of the Torah. Of course, this is all reinforced by their false prophet Ellen White teaching them that on the day of judgement, Sabbath observance will be the ultimate deciding factor for whether a Christian can enter the New Kingdom. I know this is a very long message but my prayer is that someone in the SDA church who is struggling will read this and be released from bondage.

[@davidturner1641]

Blessings and Shalom! I am sorry you had issues with the SDA. I see some SDA issues that have kept me out... on the other hand: How are the Ten Commandments "NOT eternal" ???? I say they are eternal and to always be obeyed. Sorry, this is way too obvious. As far as us transgressing and needing GRACE. I agree and I probably agree on the SDA in what you said, the SDA certainly has some issues... So far, in my studies, they seem to be far far better and LESS corrupt and wrong than the Romans.... Also, when did the SDA run around trying to genocide whole people groups who opposed their WRONG theology??? Or using witchcraft tortures to make people submit and convert.... This has ALL been used by the Romans since they claimed to become the "church" ....

[@nardwilgatal1247]

If keep Sabbath, Saturday as day of worship go with it we have no problem. But dont accuse the Sunday keeper and says that day is not accpeptable to God you're very wrong because in Acts Christian there started gathering and fellowship first day of week which Sunday.

[@sergeant5848]

@@nardwilgatal1247 They "fellow-shipped" everyday. That doesn't mean the 7th day worship was changed. Even the RCC admits to changing the day! People are blind to history for their own purposes. Beware.

[@JessicaPottorff030612]

@@sergeant5848 The Catholic church does no such thing. The information you've been provided showing that they did is Adventist propaganda and Adventists cant even show you the absolute proof. It's all lies.

[@sergeant5848]

@@JessicaPottorff030612 That was a predictable response. Much like the Muslim apologists. Methinks you know little of the history of the Catholic Church then.

[@georgesedor5864]

BTW, since Sabbath began before Sinai, wouldn't the "Remember" be pointing back? HE did take the time to teach them which day was the seventh. And, to their honor they have been honoring it ever since.

[@youthcomputercenter5372]

dear george; sorry if my fellow christians are not explaining somes things clearly. Fact is that, the same God who gave the 10CC is the same God who abolished the 10CC in the new covenant teaching. In the new covenant, the letters of the apostles to the gentiles is our law; I will prove it using scripture alone. If you are willing to see the evidence, let me know then i will give you the evidence.

[@godislove363]

@@youthcomputercenter5372 no not so, please think why that is so, then check back.

[@andrewaaboe3418]

Exodus 16 is the first time the sabbath came into existence. Look at the language of the chapter, they didn't even know later what to do with a willful breaker of the Sabbath. "Remember" in the language doesn't mean in this context to remember some past even. The word means essentially "Listen up and hear" etc.

[@alisonwilson9657]

the 7th day, Saturday, was given and Commanded, by the Lord our God...where did Sunday Worship come into it, by Day and by Law???

[@youthcomputercenter5372]

dear alison; sorry if my fellow christians are not explaining somes things clearly. Fact is that, the same God who gave the 10CC is the same God who abolished the 10CC in the new covenant teaching, I will prove it using scripture alone. If you are willing to see the evidence, let me know then i will give you the evidence.

[@everettcobb5399]

A.D. 321 Constantine, bought paganism into Christianity, changing Sabbath to sunday, because he worshiped a sun-god named Tammuz in Ezekiel 8

[@davidturner1641]

@@everettcobb5399 hahaha, hahahahah, hahahahaha, hahahahaahahaha STOP QUOTING TRUTH AND TRUE HISTORY!!! STOP (just kidding) THANKS!!! good facts :) This is the actual argument to destroy yheir lies about Sun god Day being the "sabbath" when the 7th day is the Sabbath

[@TheRealMintyLove]

saying you can't be told to remember something that didn't pre-exist, is silly. you be can told to remember to do things that will take place in the future. Never heard of a to-do list? And I'm confused why sda keep saying the seal of God is the 7th day Sabbath when the Bible clearly says the seal of God is the Holy Spirit ?(Eph. 1:13, 4:30, there is a verse in Corinthians too but I can't remember that off the top my head right now). I think every sda needs to take some time and read through the new testament slowly & objectively, especially Romans, Hebrews, Galatians - like read through that 5 times and 2 Corin. 3. Sunday law is a fallacy, it will never happen. if Sabbath keeping is the test of who gets into heaven then there is no need for the other commands once you keep that one then you passed the test and your in, even if you murder, steal, fornicate, you keptbthe Sabbath then you get in. Also it cancels the need for grace and Jesus would've wasted His time dying on the cross since all that was needed is Sabbath keeping which has been around since OT. You literally would be working your way into heaven. Works salvation if I've every seen it. Furthermore, there is just nothing in the Bible to support a coming Sunday law, but much there to contradict it, but I'll leave that for another time.

[@PaulDavid70]

+Lola Sweet well according to the SDAs there is something to support a coming Sunday worship law. Namely the Mark of the beast. Rome will enforce it, the mark on the hand and on the forehead, represent our actions and thoughts. And you cannot buy or sell unless you worship on sundays. Very nonsensical view of you ask me.

[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

Your arguments are fallacious. The bible says if you willingly sin there is no more sacrifice for sin. What is sin? Transgression of the law. Which commandment do Christians seem to argue about? Something to consider. There could be a reason the Sabbath is in the ten commandments and not apart of the ceremonial law. Maybe it is significant?

[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

Your arguments are fallacious. The bible says if you willingly sin there is no more sacrifice for sin. What is sin? Transgression of the law. Which commandment do Christians seem to argue about? Something to consider. There could be a reason the Sabbath is in the ten commandments and not apart of the ceremonial law. Maybe it is significant?

[@brimacs]

+Lola Sweet do you really know your bible. what is sin? 1 john 4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Romans 7.7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. no law no sin no need for grace? 3 questions 1 what day did God bless rest and make holly? 2 when did God remove this blessing on the 7th day 3 is Sunday worship a man chosen day or Gods. tradition of man, doctrines of men you decide

[@BradSexson]

+Lola Sweet Let's read it together: Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Notice the word: WHEREBY Definition: -conjunction, adverb 1. by what or by which; under the terms of which. 2. Obsolete. by what? how? Therefore: 1. By what are ye sealed unto the day of redemption? By the holy Spirit of God. 2. By which are ye sealed unto the day of redemption? By the holy Spirit of God. 3. How are ye sealed unto the day of redemption? By not grieving the holy Spirit of God. Expressly said, you will be sealed unto the day of redemption by the Holy Spirit of God if you grieve it not.

[@Mrdana3438]

I'm not saying that I 100% agree with all SDA doctrine, but I do know that they only observe Sabbath keeping, instead of Jewish feasts, because it's one of the Ten Commandments.

[@Mrdana3438]

SDA beliefs are definitely more biblical basis than just about all Sunday church teachings I've sat up under all of my life....and I'm not even an Adventist! But God has given me a passion for truth and a sense for deception. There's no doubt in my mind that nearly all mainstream Sunday churches of today are being given over to a great delusion.

[@trevaperes5343]

@@Mrdana3438 As are the SDA's. They have been fooling people for years! The original Sabbath was not obeyed as with the Gregorian Calendar but using a Lunar Month Calendar which Gd placed in the heavens that could be clearly seen by all the people of Israel including the Levitical Priests who served in the Temple and in tents in the wilderness.

[@rainyday9068]

Dr. Brown, do you have opinions on the Sabbath day that I can read?

[@joannfreedman1625]

Loveing my neighbor as myself will take me a lifetime to even remotely get right and I believe that is the most weighty Commandment.

[@artusmalherbe258]

The 10 commands will help you understand how to love God (first 4 commands) and love your neighbor (last 6 commands).

[@eduardodiaz1791]

“Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.”‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:16-17 NIV

[@MichaelSparkz]

Dr. Brown, the reason SDA's do not follow the other Sabbath feasts is because they are 'Shadows of things to come', which is Christ Jesus. The 4th commandment is NOT A SHADOW pointing forward to Jesus, but it points BACKWARD, TO CREATION.

[@arktheball]

How do you observe the sabbath without adhering to those ordinances?

[@KayinPhylosophy4250]

arktheball it’s a holy convocation with our Heavenly Father, simply haha it’s like going to your family and enjoying a day with them, it’s a day to rest and to always have in mind that our Lord created us

[@KayinPhylosophy4250]

arktheball remember there was the ceremonial law which Moses made for the Jews and there are the moral law that our Lord made, what the majority of mainstream Christians are trying imply is that we can remove a commandment that God established, not man, does that really sound right to you brother?

[@MyJudgedread]

@@arktheball By resting in the GRACE of JESUS CHRIST!

[@nomosnomosowicz7379]

Col 2.16,17

[@cynthiaerickson3646]

i cannot argue with sabbath day saturday or sunday,nor argue with its still required or not because of Jesus,but i am grateful,in awe of,love our only living God and His only begotten son.why would i not want to spend 1 day a week worshipping,reflecting on what an awesome,righteous,all knowing,all seeing,soverant God of the universe who loves me so much He sacrificed His son for me?

[@sergeant5848]

Amen!

[@canadiankewldude]

Forget 7th day adv. The ten commandments includes the Sabbath, seventh day, Saturday. Forget the Pope changing it to Sunday. We need to follow what the Bible says.

[@davidturner1641]

@Ναζωραῖος I am not sure yu could be less correct about the history of Sunday Worship. You either KNOW and are changing it, or you know VERY little and have NEVER honestly studied the TRUTH. You can easily read the 7th Day research on this and see it is TRUE. I am NOT a part of the 7th Day Adventist church, and I doubt I ever would join. I just know they proved what you just said about the Romans and the Pope is totally NOT TRUE...UNTRUE!

[@davidturner1641]

19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.” ...They met and now do meet on the Mosaic Sabbath, ALLL believers.

[@adfmo2195]

Ναζωραῖος The Catholic Church, beginning with Constantine, did in fact change or transfer the solemnity off the seventh-day sabbath to Sunday. It’s in their converts catechism.

[@tdickensheets]

Pope didn't not change it to Sunday! You are father of lies!

[@tdickensheets]

SDAs insist that we must keep the Sabbath as a day of worship. This is wrong because: a) The New Testament never commands Christians to worship or meet on the Saturday Sabbath. Instead, Christians are recorded as meeting on the first day of the week, Sunday, in the following Bible passages: 1. 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 -- to put money in the collection. 2. Acts 20:7 -- Paul preached to Christians at Troas whose habit was to meet to break bread on the first day of the week. 3. John 20:19, 26 -- Jesus, after His resurrection met with the disciples on the first day of the week. 4. Romans 14:5-6 -- Paul, when discussing which day to meet, did not say that you must meet on the Saturday Sabbath, (as SDAs say), but he said "Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." 5. Colossians 2:16-17 -- "Let no man judge you in ... holy days or Sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come." SDAs judge Christians wrong who keep Sunday as a holyday. Paul says that SDAs are wrong to judge Christians for not keeping Saturday as a holy day. b) SDAs claim that the Roman Catholic church after Constantine in 320 AD changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday. This is completely false, because we have at least ten quotes from major church writers from 90 -- 300 AD who all say that the practice of Christians everywhere was to meet on Sunday, not the Jewish Saturday Sabbath. SDAs have no early quotes to show that early Christians met on Saturday.

[@edge2sword186]

Saturday is a day of rest ,right ?How do they get Worship out of the word Rest ? Can they back it up ? Where is the proper object of Faith . Saturday or The Lord Jesus and Him Crucified ? Can faith in Saturday really save you ?I am confused ?

[@brimacs]

+Edge2 Sword 3 questions 1 what day did God bless rest and make holly 2 did God ever remove this blessing from the 7th day 3 is Sunday worship a man chosen day We are saved by grace and I believe that when we are saved we strive to be obedient following the examples Jesus gave us. I hope this helps as these are the questions I have been looking into and helped me to realize the importance of Gods word. May God bless you and your family

[@edge2sword186]

Brian gives glory to YHWH I can see this Hebrew Roots thing is back again If you have been around for any length of time you .have seen Hebrew Roots come and go . 1st .Day 7 God never removed His blessing from any day as far as I can see . After we are "Born Again " everyday is a worship day . The Apostles met on the first day of the week as recorded in Acts of the Apostles .The word is never exhausted and always so much more to give us .Our relationship with God must be growing or we will start to backslide .

[@brimacs]

Edge2 Sword yes we should worship God everyday. What day of the week do you set aside and make different from the other days? A God chosen day or mans?. What verses are you referring to in Acts? it is so true that we continue to grow our relationship with our awesome heavenly Father. I just dont understand why most Christians agree with 9 commandments but not all 10. God even blessed the day and most still choose to ignore this day.

[@edge2sword186]

Brian gives glory to YHWH Acts 20:7and 1 Corinthians 16:2 support the 1st day of the week .Jesus became our Sabbath Rest and every day is the Lords day .Hebrews 4 :9,10 support this claim . This makes for a good bible study .

[@brimacs]

q

[@samuelwilliams1559]

GOD gave Ten Commandments not suggestions. 1. The law is not done away with it is established. Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. 2. The law does not save. Its job is to define sin. Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 3. Love leads us to follow the law. Paul lists directly six of the Ten Commandments. Romans 13:8,9 Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;) 4. Of the other four all will admit that it is a sin to have other gods, bow down and worship idols and to take the name of GOD in vain. Protestant Ministers have stated the Ten Commandments are for Christians. dedication.www3.50megs.com/greatmen.html Great Preachers on the Ten Commandments. 5. In the book of Hebrews the New Covenant states the laws are to be written into our hearts not done away with. The New Testament directly quotes from the Old Testament Jeremiah 31. Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with the saith Behold the days com saith the Lord which I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the hose of Judah. Verse 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days saith the Lord I will put my laws into their mind and write them in their hearts: and I will be to their GOD AND THEY SHALL BE TO ME A PEOPLE.

[@davidturner1641]

:)

[@robertocervantes5179]

Who told you mr doctor brown that we are gonna keep the hebrew feast..Colossians 2:14-17 First know what we 7th day adventist believe

[@cynthiaerickson3646]

In the Millenium reign of Christ is what brown is referring to,which scripture clearly says the feasts will be celebrated in the Messianic Reign.kings of various countries must attend(or a representative of them)the feast or no rain will fall on their crops.all in scripture

[@sergeant5848]

@@cynthiaerickson3646 I think you're mixing your events. The 1000 years is for the Saved and risen to realise why those that are still dead, not risen and not saved aren't in Heaven. Satan will be the only "creature" on the burnt, desolate, destroyed Earth. So no chance of rain or crops there. After the 1000 years, the dead are risen and wage war against God in a final act of defiance. Of course God smites them in one final blow and THEN the New Earth is inhabited by the Saved.

[@adfmo2195]

It’s amazing to me how many hoops people jump through to not keep the entirety of the commandments of God. If God said it, that settles it folks!

[@brothermagdi5637]

do you follow old testament law?

[@JELinfoot]

This reasoning is so childish. The mentality of the child is one that doesn’t require understanding but just follow those in authority over you. “Daddy said it, we follow it.” Paul rightly said he wants to give solid food but people are content with baby milk.

[@Noblility]

@@JELinfoot Matthew 18:3 "Verily I say unto you, unless you become as little children, you will not enter into the kingdom of Heaven". This is called irony my brother.

[@Noblility]

@@brothermagdi5637 Old testament law is not in the 10 Commandments.

[@brothermagdi5637]

@@Noblility it was delivered to Moses,how come it's not old testament?

[@samuelarthur887]

Keeping the Sabbath must be understood intently: 1. Sabbath does not necessarily mean rest; it means 'cease'. God didn't rest cos He was tired. It speaks of God's completion on our behalf; ultimately foreshadowing Christ finishing the work on our behalf; hence Christ did a lot of healing, miracles - WORKING on the Sabbath, illustrating the fact that it is God alone who can give us the true rest. 2. People who insist on the day should literally not go to church on that day and do nothing - you are not told to go to church on the day but to REST. Here Paul sums up my point - and He was a Hebrew of Hebrews: "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ" (Colossians 2:16-17). And we know that the early Church came together on Sunday. The reality, Sabbath, true rest is Christ, why are you embracing a shadow?

[@omarsanchez262]

The Babylon system is being happening with Christianity for a long time. If you don't recognize the Shabat then you don't recognize the Creator and his day of rest Hebrews 4:1-13

[@terrigvinesful]

Omar Sanchez Why did Paul say judge no man by his holy day? One day is for one man and another may be for others.

[@davidturner1641]

@Ναζωραῖος Saying they met on Sunday as an argument about what day is the SABBATH is a BLATANT LIE by misinformation. They met on THE SABBATH. That day has not changed since G-d took a Sabbath after creating the universe. It will also NEVER CHANGE. You quote that they "met on the first day" ....Yet they met on the Sabbath, which they called the Sabbath and we ALLLLLLLLLL know it was the 7th day!!!!!!!!!!!!! It would be the EXACT same as saying David and his followers in his synagogue met EVERY Sabbath and every April 1st. SEE NOW THE SABBATH IS APRIL 1st!! That is just ridiculous. It would be a BAD JOKE (April FOOLS...).

[@aldenvidal]

Jesus iis not the 7th day. Sabbath is the 7th day or Saturday.

[@twiceneicykab1142]

Thank you for your ministry! Sorry i do not know the context of the debate but allow me to ask you this. All I understand is the God's Sabbath is a Saturday. Please direct me to where i can find evidence otherwise. God bless.

[@everettroley8886]

That argument is insane....of course we are to keep the law....can I murder?adultery? Or just the Sabbath I can ignore? Listen...if you TRY and keep the law FOR SALVATION you are missing it.....I TRY and keep the law BECAUSE of salvation...you mention revelation.....the dragon goes after those that keep God's commandments AND the testimony of YESHUA....

[@christheron4747]

Amen!!

[@llllllllllllllIIlIllIIllIIIIll]

Everett Roley Christ is the end of law. Romans 10:4

[@llllllllllllllIIlIllIIllIIIIll]

@brat pit the law is over.

[@drezilla1310]

@Ναζωραῖος So what does this mean then? Revelation 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." What about 1 John 5:2-3 "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." - Interesting to see how people twist these STRAIGHTFORWARD meaning. Psalm 119:142 "“Thy righteousness is an EVERLASTING righteousness, and thy law is the truth.” What does "Faith without works is dead" mean? Why do you follow any of the Commandments then? Grace is what saves yes but you don't let go of the law, common sense. The 4th commandment is there for a good reason.

[@davidturner1641]

FACT brother Everett

[@larryjohnson2945]

Did all the children of Israel keep the Sabbath?

[@pooky1474]

Pope Francis' Laudato Si'- Sunday Law coming soon to combat climate change. Watch the debate really heat up then. Choose wisely.

[@jag6138]

Yup, its happening, be watchful of this climate change movement, it will be the tool to enforce the Mark. I'm not an Adventist but I've recently come to understand through prayer and research that Sunday will be the day of worshiping the beast when it is a global enforced law. Pope Francis book Laudato Si' speaks of bringing Science and spirituality together for the 'global common good' of the Earth. This was 2015 he released this. Believe it is not a coincidence theres a flurry of protests around the world on climate change. Here in London we've had none stop protests by extinction rebellion and the parliament has called for a national emergency on climate change. This agenda is pushed by the Vatican. Read and pray to God for discernment He truly will open your eyes to everything that is happening, we are truly living in the end days, and we need God more than ever to guide us to the right direction and not be led astray by the great deception that is seeping in our churches, be vigilant. www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-the-common-good-has-become-global-93364 religionnews.com/2019/04/26/pope-francis-laudato-si-v-the-green-new-deal/

[@CastlevaniaDXC]

I'm not ready :(

[@K1raKami]

@@jag6138 The Mark of the Beast is already here! But don't worry about the mark of the beast, pray for the seal of the Lord to be on your forehead instead.

[@gr3ywolf144]

Since when is the sabbath a prerequisite for salvation? IF keeping the sabbath was so fundamental for salvation then why is this not mentioned in any verses in the new testament relating to salvation? Acts 16v30-31; "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

[@samguz2000]

Because the Sabbath is on the ten commandments and their are forever

[@letfreedomreign3485]

LV RIDER that's good 👍

[@sapatiahkiong5326]

No such scripture that says not to keep the sabbath or the sabbath has changed, Jesus nor the disciples changed the sabbath, but men and their own thoughts and different understandings has changed it. Maybe that's why the only law in the commandments starts with remember because men has forgotten or chosen to forget the sabbath..

[@GardenYourHeartOut]

U r a stumbling block to those earnestly seeking the truth Dr. Brown. May the Lord remove your blinders and not only accept Him but His teachings as well.

[@withoutvisionthepeopleperi1082]

Seems alot of messianic jews dont accept non jews keeping Torah.

[@DavidMorales-cz9wt]

Keeping God's Law's (The 10 Command's) , It's for our human conduct on how to worship God and how to get along with our human brothers and sisters . That is how God will judge mankind by there fruits.

[@Gocajoca]

Just a quick Note you said there is No reference that God instituted the Sabbath at the beginning How about in the Commandment itself Ex 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it"...… That's why they had to Remember it And We today too Forgot it

[@lightspeedhorse8964]

Ironically, it was never "obeyed" until almost 2000 yrs later. IT IS NOT COMMANDED like you think it is, you can't read your false teachings onto the scripture. And when it was finally given as a commandment, IT WAS GIVEN TO THE JEWS SPECIFICALLY. NOT ONLY THAT, but it is never repeated in the NT like all the other commandments are, why do you think that is????

[@Gocajoca]

@@lightspeedhorse8964 This is a direct quote from the Bible copy & paste sorry if you don't like it But that is a Commandment Of God

[@Gocajoca]

@@lightspeedhorse8964 Why Repeat something if it has never been changed? The 10 commandments have always been God's law and never changed kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIXdnYpvfcyMq5I

[@Gocajoca]

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[@lightspeedhorse8964]

Gocajoca You're taking a verse out of context and wishing it says what your false teaching think it says but it doesn't, YOU CANT JUST PICK A VERSE AND SAY, THERE IT SAYS THIS. IF THAT WAS THE CASE I CAN SHOW YOU A BIBLE VERSE THAT SAYS "THERE IS NO GOD". You have to read scripture in its context, BY WHAT IT SAYS AND WHAT IT DOESN'T SAY. What does it say?? "THAT IT IS A SIGN BETWEEN GOD AND JEWS". What does it not say?? THERE IS NOT ONE VERSE THAT A SABBATH WAS KEPT FROM GENESIS TO WHEN IT WAS GIVEN AT SINAI, IN OTHER WORDS FROM ADAM TO MOSES AND ALL THE PEOPLE IN BETWEEN

[@DDFergy1]

Thank you Dr. Brown for your ministry. So many in the SDA are watching for this sign or that sign as mentioned in Revelation. They believe if they let their light shine that being in this case the Seventh day and pass the Investigative Judgement then Jesus will come again and vindicate their Great Disappointment. And because of they look for signs they will not realize how things are changing. We are not called to be watchers of signs but to be the salt and the light. We are not to hide from tribulation but to preach Christ. Again Dr. Brown I thank Adonai for your ministry.

[@BradSexson]

+Douglas Ferguson no we dont believe in any of that junk, stop lying or read a history book

[@DDFergy1]

Brad Sexson Are you a SDA and do you know anything about them? Do you know any history of the SDA's and how Mrs. White, Kellogg and others came out of the Miller movement and the Great Disappointment of 1833?

[@BradSexson]

I am an Adventist have been for 45 years and that was 1844 not 1833! not a great start you have one wrong already care to try again. ?

[@DDFergy1]

Sorry I knew SDA always talked of 1844 but I was thinking from memory that the Millers originally thought it was 1833. I should of verified as you said. I haven't been an Adventist for 35 years and was only one for about 5 years. I stand by the other things I said about their theology and mindset. And yes I know that though the General Conference tends to keep close tabs on local churches that its influence is not as strong as it once was. Also that though the older White theology with its Investigated Judgment leaves SDAs in doubt of their salvation and so makes them think that "their works of Christ working in them justifies their salvation"; this being not unique to SDAs, the part I quoted not the investigated judgment. Not all SDAs know about this theology and its implications and many believe in justification as the Reformers such as Luther did. I also know that the church has quite a struggle on this issue as even many others do. Again yes I admit 1843-4 date was the focal point for the GD even for the Miller movement and not just the White movement.

[@BradSexson]

Fact first there was no "white" movement, the church did not come into being till 1863. fact we do not doubt or teach our salvation is in jeopardy unless one just upchucks one day. your education concerning the investigative judgment is askew at best. did you say that you were an adventist for 5 years ? somewhere down those 5 years you were either not firmly planted in the word of God or you listen to those given into flights of fancy. we have had a few [did you know that jim jones] was at one time a methodist preacher? so are all methodist weirdos? no of course not unfortunately all denominations have a few wackos . Mrs. White is not one of them

[@charlesgugins1127]

Does that mean the anti christ will be teaching correct doctrine except for the wrong day of worship.? I seriously doubt that.

[@cherylcooper1885]

+Charles Gugins - I totally get your argument. Even tho the anti Christ can appear as an angel of light he will demand you take his mark and worship his image in order to buy and sell, as it's written in Revelation. It's not one or the other that can keep you safe they are in combination. Can't take the mark without worshiping it, and why worship if you can't buy or sell. Makes no sense. They work together to steal and condemn a person's soul. Otherwise those that refuse the mark/image for the sake of Jesus Christ will be killed, if you do not have a seal from God on your head. Basically a person will take his or her last stand for Jesus and His Kingdom.

[@stevek7150]

About the antichrist teaching correct doctrine. The antichrist is also called the son of perdition and that name is also used for Judas. Judas betrayal was with a kiss and calling him master. So too the betrayal of antichrist is with a kiss

[@FreedomsNurse]

The antichrist is the pope.

[@emnm529]

Everyday should be a "SABBATH DAY", meaning "REST IN THE LORD" all the time; period!!

[@craigjethroe9447]

You couldn't keep the sabbath everyday biblically because couldn't work or buy or sell or cook & a number of other things. These are some reasons God never said to keep everyday the sabbath, he designated 1 day & that's the one people should keep if they want to be obedient.

[@flamingrobin5957]

A Sabbath-Rest for the People of God 1Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed.a 3Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, “So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’ ”b And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. 4For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.”c 5And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.” 6Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted: “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.”d 8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works,e just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. 12For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account. Jesus the Great High Priest 14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven,f Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are-yet he did not sin. 16Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

[@JohanSafari]

My 2c... Genesis 1, repeats every day with "it was night and it was day, the 1st day" and so on for every following day. So clearly from creation the day start when it is dark. So the Sabbath starts on Friday night after sunset and last till Saturday at sunset.

[@alexandedvarla2495]

JohanSafari Sorry but the bible does not mention Saturday as the Sabbath that is made up by man as the biblical Calendar is from New Moon to another. It says the 7th day is SABBATH. NOT Saturday like our current Gregorian Calendar. Mans calendars have changed over the ages but God's calendar remains the same. Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

[@alexandedvarla2495]

@Messerah I do agree with you regarding marriage. I don't agree with you on the day you say is meant to be the rest day. See you go by the Gregorian calendar that did not exist in those days it come to existence in the times of Pope Gregory. In the biblical times they had the biblical calandar from creation the sun and the moon. Numbers 28:11 and in the beginnings of the month ye shall offer a burnt offerings unto the Lord..... Numbers 10:10 Also in the day of gladness and in your solemn days, and in beginnings of your months, ye shall blow with trumpets over your brunt offerings...... Isaiah 1:13-14 bring no more vain oblations, incensed an abomination unto me; the new moon and Sabbath, the callings of assemblies, I cannot awaywith; it is iniquity even the solemn meetings. Your new moons and your appointed feast my soul Gareth they are trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. *in the biblical times the new moon was was very important. That was the begging of the month and how they would count there days. In Mark 2:27-28 and he said unto them , The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath. *The Pharisees were criticising Jesus for working on the Sabbath. John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My father workers hitherto and I work. *Again the Pharisees were criticising Jesus for working on the Sabbath and in his defense Jesus said my father works everyday and so do I. Romans 14:5 one man esteemed one day above another: another esteemed every day alike Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. Colossians 2: 16-17 let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in respect of a holiday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. * In the new testament after Jesus died for us we no longer have to do animal sacrifices or no longer worry about the holidays, new moon or Sabbath. Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, said the LORD. * Isaiah is talking about the future and how we will worship the LORD when he comes for us. From new moon to another (month to month) from Sabbath to Sabbath ( weekly) God bless you and thank you for your message.

[@alexandedvarla2495]

@Messerah actually the Jews have 2 calendars a civil calander (the Gregorian calendar ) and the festive calendars. As most of the Jews do not believe and reject The Lord Christ they are not a good example to follow. If you were to obey the biblical Sabbath then you would need to worry also about the new moon. The Saturdays of the Gregorian calendar do not always coincide with the biblical Sabbaths and the years do not match. I'm not changing the times to me it's very clear what the Lord Jesus Christ wants me to do.

[@alexandedvarla2495]

@Messerah it's easy to proof do it for a year. The new moon starts from left to right. Google it and read about the history of the calendars. Then count seven days from when you see the moon. Most months it's on Saturdays then some months are on Sundays and others if I'm remember correctly are on Tuesdays or wed. So basically Sabbath should be on the 8th, 15th, 21st and 29th of every month.

[@alexandedvarla2495]

@Messerah what happend to the high Sabbath??? The new used to keep them too???

[@7milen]

It is so simple. Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath. The man of sin, the papacy, changed it to Sunday. In future time the world will be tested on whether they keep His Sabbath or the Papacy Sabbath which is Sunday.

[@cynthiaerickson3646]

7milen no we will be tested if we go into a building on sunday and worship the anti christ or worship in a place that is teaching false doctrine.beleivers i beleive will have to meet in secret somewhere on some day of the week to truly worship Yeshua.it may be a mon.or a sat.or a wed.whatever day we can meet.our test will be if we refuse to go into a hall or church that is worshipping anti christ or false religion.if you refuse yes!!praise God,but most likely be imprisioned or killed.that is the test

[@anniehoon]

I'm Adventist, and shockingly a pastor gave a sermon 2 weeks ago claiming the 144000 in Revelation are Adventists. Wrong!!! This has led me to start looking at the church more critically. I pray that God will lead me regarding all I was taught, where one false idea springs up, surely there must be more.

[@juanc.feliciano9507]

You're right. I heard that too.

[@Gats8479]

What are you waiting for get there?

[@whatistruth8690]

One thing that bothers me is how much pagan down to the littlest things are so much from pagan worship of our traditional holidays of Xmas and Easter and I've done research on this and many avoid this topic but should we be observing them and not the feasts that were prophetic shadow pictures of good things to come? Jesus fulfilled the spring feasts to every detail and will the fall of his return starting with feasts of trumpets, and no denomination just wanting truth.

[@ertfgghhhh]

yes, the holidays Christmas and Easter mixed in celebrations of Christs birth and resurrection with pagan worship in order to get pagans to convert. it didnt work, of course. it caused many to have a form of godliness. I, in rebellion to our new society and other opponents of Christ who are systematically wiping out the name of Christ from even tv as if it was profanity, choose to just pick out those designated times to remind my children about Christs birth, life, purpose, crucifixion, resurrection.

[@whatistruth8690]

I understand I really do , I myself have celebrated these traditions this passed Xmas after really not wanting to do to basically it all coming from false sun god worship that goes back to Nimrod and the tower, if these are indeed non biblical and the feasts are why shouldn't we observe them and celebrate do to the fact that they are holy time of God not just the Jews/ Hebrew, I wonder sometimes of how the gentiels would provoke Israeli to jealousy?

[@55k3v1n]

+WHATISTRUTH Does God burn with wrath as His children celebrate and commemorate the coming of His Son into the world? Couldn't this be done on any day? Does God hate it when we sing "Joy to the World"??? If we knew the definite day of Christ's birth, and set that day aside to commemorate it, would the pagans still paganize that day??? If you had God's peace and knew His amazing grace, you wouldn't be so uptight about Christmas and Easter.

[@ertfgghhhh]

+WHATISTRUTH bruh, in the end, go with peace. if u have peace with acknowledging Christmas or easter. if u do not, dont. as far as keeping the feasts, Christ fufilled each feast and if u are in Christ, u naturally will be keeping them. BUT if u still like to participate in the feasts, attend a messianic church,orthodox synagogue, or purchase a book that gives instructions as to how to do it properly

[@whatistruth8690]

Well ok then what is biblical and what is not biblical? Should we put a tree that represents a penis and testicles(ball hanging) all about fertility healing and rising from it with gifts Idk that doesn't seem rite too me even if Christ birth is mixed in it being the main point(most don't even care about that part these days) if it is not in the Word to observe, remember it is not how "we" think the almighty of the universe and beyond if our motives is rite by but God's Words , I hear the well you must have your own problems or your not at peace with it same old b.s. No I want the truth that's all that just them same old comments of man made we inherited traditions, I will not turn a blind eye if these go against the Word of God I've sin enough in my life. This goes back to the Sabbath question of this video that people think this is so not rite but is it ? That's all am saying here, thanks GB.

[@edadan]

In response to Dr. Brown's question about keeping the entire Jewish calendar, the caller said "Not to dodge your question..." - and then he proceeded to dodge his question! In any case, Jesus said in Mark 2:27: "...The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." So, I believe that God will judge us based on how much we loved HIM and our neighbors (Matthew 22:36-40)...and not on how much we observed the law. (Galatians 3:10-11)

[@SimandanAdrian]

Hi Dan, according to Apostle John and Jesus, the way you keep his commandments are a measure by which you show his love to him. The Apocalypse written by John, makes clear distinctions between those who have the righteous deeds and those who don't throughout entire book. Your deeds will show what kind of faith you have. If you work iniquity, you will not be accepted. How do we explain iniquity today, if we set aside god's commandments? Does the word lawlessness have any meaning today? Or we can do everything we want as long as we believe Christ?

[@KayinPhylosophy4250]

I am the LORD I change not. **proceeds to change and remove the Sabbath that he said he would change not** Come on my brothers and sisters in Christ are you trying to imply that our Lord can’t keep his word?

[@jcthomas3408]

God's essence does not change, but he does change the way he works with people. Not everyone gets swallowed by a whale. The old law was for the Israelites to point to the Messiah. Now we have the Messiah and a new covenant, Jesus. Should we murder and lie? Of course not. Now that we have the Holy Spirit we want to do good, which is actions to love God and love people. But those actions do not save us. Hebrews 8.

[@KayinPhylosophy4250]

Jc Thomas but understand brother, the sabbath was never made for the Jews it was made for man in the beginning, it was and it still is perfect how can something that was made in creation be changed? If you believe that God changed the sabbath and that the sabbath is against us you are pretty much saying that God was wrong about the sabbath because everything that was made in creation was good good very good and if you are saying that it does not apply for NT Christians that means that in reality the sabbath was never good good very good, you are implying that God was wrong.

[@KayinPhylosophy4250]

Jc Thomas and to make it more specific let’s read Psalm 89:34 “My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.” He said it clearly that he will not alter the words that came out of his mouth and what words came out of his mouth specifically? The 10 commandments.

[@jcthomas3408]

@@KayinPhylosophy4250 What is God's message of Sabbath to the Israelites? Why did he make it a commandment in the first place? It was to point to their true rest which would be the Messiah. Now we have that true rest. Fulfilled. Hebrew 8 explains well how we now have a better covenant.

[@KayinPhylosophy4250]

Jc Thomas what do you mean by fulfilled?

[@victoriadean4041]

Only God knows who’s going where or who’s getting a mark.. we are not saved because we are a member of a church or organization. The Lord knows what is really in our hearts. He knows... He is the only one who really knows.

[@a1990sGamer]

The Sabbath is saturday, not sunday, end of story

[@johnotto4931]

“The sabbath was made for man NOT man for the sabbath”- Jesus Christ

[@juanc.feliciano9507]

You're wrong! Sabbath is not Saturday. Sabbath is the seventh day which follow the sixth day of work. It can be any day. Because the Bible does not specify which days of work.

[@John-eh4yk]

@@juanc.feliciano9507 you are wrong. The Sabbath is Saturday and always has been. Even the ones who changed it will admit that the 7th day of the week is Saturday. Sunday is the 1st day of the week. That's how it has always been. The debate isn't about which day is the 7th day as everyone knows it's Saturday, the debate is about keeping the Sabbath in the day that God told us to keep it. God mentioned the 7th day is the Sabbath, not the 1st day. I'm not a seventh day Adventist, I am a follower of the Lord of Lord's, the King of King's, my saviour, Jesus Christ. His word, God's word is the truth and it is in black and white.

[@juanc.feliciano9507]

@@John-eh4yk Sr, show me that the Sabbath is the seventh day of the week Saturday. Nowhere you can't find it. The word "of the week" is not part of the hebrew text. The seventh day is the day following the six of work. It can be any day.

[@juanc.feliciano9507]

@@John-eh4yk Coming back to Exodus chapter 20 verses 8 through 11 notice carefully that it says “six days shalt thou labor and do all thy work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath”. But it does not say the seventh day of the week, that is the error of the seventh-day Adventists. Six days of work without specifying which days and then a seventh of rest. The Jews work from Sunday until Friday, we from Monday to Saturday. Letters of A.W. Pink. Letter #14, the sabbath and guidance written to Lowell Green.

[@iviewutoob]

Dr. Brown, what are your thoughts on Ron Wyatt’s Sunday Law commentary?

[@thegreatdeception2563]

repent,follow YESHUA,keep YHWY'S COMMANDS,and prepare!

[@JimiSurvivor]

The lesson to learn here is: do not get your doctrine from women claiming to be the prophetic mouthpiece of God.

[@artusmalherbe258]

As for the issue of the New Moon in Isaiah 66:23, "And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD." The New Moon spoken of here has nothing to do with feast days. It refers to the 30-day monthly cycle in the Hebrew calendar. Why will we come before God every 30 days apart from the Sabbath? This is explained in Revelation 22:1,2 "And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit EVERY MONTH: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations." Even after sin is destroyed our immortality will be dependent on us eating of the tree of life, from which we will partake of every New Moon.

[@stephentoons]

we dont even know what day the 7th day falls on. if you think the gregorian calendar has tracked an unbroken cycle of weeks since creation, you are sadly mistaken. for one thing the biblical calendar is observational. based on the sighting of the new moon, which is variable

[@wadebarrow1706]

Jesus kept the sabbath, and it seems our brother Judah has done the same throughout history (that's one way we can know). I presume by "variable" you are referring to the length of each calendar month? That is true, but it has no bearing on the regular, weekly sabbath. That would only effect the High sabbaths, which designate the moedim, or "appointments with our Creator" (ie; the annual festivals) that were given at Sinai to all of Israel (not just brother Judah, as he represents just one of the 12 tribes). And you are wise to point out that the Gregorian calendar is not sufficient to advise on the sabbath. I think alot of these arguments would clear up if we would all study more, particularly the language the Torah was written in. I know that I need to.

[@stephentoons]

@@wadebarrow1706 Even the current Jewish calendar is a calculated calendar. The biblical calendar is based on the first sighting of the new moon each month. and so it varies according to when the sighting is made. About the cycle of weeks and the Gregorian calendar, its a fact that there was a point in time where 2 different week cycles were in use. To know when the 7th day Sabbath is we'd have to go back to using the Biblical calendar.

[@wadebarrow1706]

@@stephentoons Thanks Stephen, just to be clear, I'm in no way supporting the Gregorian calendar as a way of knowing the actual 7th day(sabbath). I am the last person to debate calendars. I did however, feel an extremely rare desire to comment on a forum...Jesus kept the sabbath roughly 2,000 years ago, so I am stating that Yeshua knew the proper day. And if you take a look at religious Jews, they keep the sabbath, and I am unaware of any arguments by them over which day is the 7th day. It is correct that the bible teaches to keep track of time by using the moon. I have witnessed people who are trying to be accurate about their convictions, argue over the sighting of the moon. I do not wish to engage in those types of conversations, as they tend to divide, and I prefer to find common ground. I simply wanted to point out that the Jews have kept the sabbath both prior to, and since the Master walked the earth. There is nothing in the Bible that indicates Jesus correcting which day they kept. He did however, correct the way in which some of them were keeping the Torah. Since they were the appointed authority and teaching others, it is understandable why Jesus took issue with them. It seems the rabbi was slightly hostile towards hypocrites...a position that many decent people can find understandable even today. I may be naive, but I believe my brother Judah has done a fantastic job of keeping the "ordinances of God." So my specific point is, we can know the sabbath, but if we are wrong, G_d will correct us. In the end, we will all learn where we were wrong. Hence the need for true humility. Shalom dude

[@cdmcintyre1854]

Why argue this point the Bible is very clear which day is the Sabbath. The Calandar is also very clear.1000 discussions changes nothing!!!

[@davidturner1641]

There is historical evidence that it has been observed for OVER 4,000 years......

[@dohnlabalaba9470]

The four Commandment in Exodus 20:10 states that Sabbath is of God. If this is between the Jews and God, does this mean that we can murder and commit adultery since the 10 commandment does not govern us?

[@dohnlabalaba9470]

@@Lutheranjenkins Yea because they kept it.

[@MessianicJewJitsu]

When Mike Brown asked about the feasts the caller really downshifted and circled back

[@davidturner1641]

@Marcus Mitchell truth about sabbath and 10 commandments.

[@adfmo2195]

Marcus Mitchell furthermore, GOD wrote the 10 commandments on tablets of stone rendering them immutable. Isaiah 40:8 The word of God is everlasting thus HIS LAW is everlasting. What was nailed to the cross were ceremonial laws, including annual sabbath feasts but never the seventh-day sabbath.

[@brothermagdi5637]

@@adfmo2195 the sabbath is ceremonial law not a moral law and there no distinction between the ten commandments and the rest of law if you want to keep the law keep it entirely and you may eventually convert to judaism

[@genecole2082]

Does anyone truly keep the Sabbath? There was a limit on how far you could travel, you couldn't kindle a fire ( that would mean no heat in your house today), Could not work (means that you would have to cook your food on Friday for Saturday.

[@sergeant5848]

That's why Friday is "Preparation" day. Get ya stuff in order coz from this evening to tomorrow you're worshipping with no time for anything else! In reality, it's *insane* what lengths Jews take to bend the rules. The wire around Manhattan is just one minor example of such.

[@axeattheroot2657]

The Sabbath day was the sign of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:13) just like circumcision was the sign of the Abrahamic Covenant (Genesis 17:11). Now that we are under the New Covenant those signs are no longer any value to observe physically (Romans 2:28-29; 14:4-5, Galatians 4:8-11; 5:2 & Colossians 2:16-17). Jesus fulfilled the law and is now the mediator of the new covenant, which also means there has been a changing of the Law: Hebrews 7:12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." & John 13:34 Jesus said, "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another." You will also see that James now talks about the ROYAL LAW which isn't one of the ten commandments: James 2:8 "If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing right." And John sums up the New commandments in his letter: 1 John 3: "And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." But the best example is given by Paul as to what it means to live under the New Covenant and no longer the Old Covenant: Galatians 5:16-23 "So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh.They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is NO LAW."

[@evanu6579]

Steve Stone 2Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. 12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: The law has been abolished, but that doesn't mean we will do whatever the world does..... Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Law keeping leads to death. Please look into this

[@sybix]

Here what i find funny about the NEW COVENANT theology... ie: A NEW commandment I give unto you... ok... What actually is NEW about it since it is actually OLD? Consider the very old old books that state... Deut 6:5 - And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. And Leviticus 19:18 - but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[@axeattheroot2657]

Justin Campbell, What makes the New commandment new is that we are to Love as Christ did, but not like the Old law where it said to Love as yourself. The difference being that Christ is God and perfect as to where we are not. Therefore, Christ gave us a NEW commandment that can't be done by ourselves, but ONLY through Christ. That is why He said He is the vine and we are the branches, and we can't bear fruit without Him. The law's only purpose is to show us we are sinners and lead us to Christ, but after that we are to live by Faith instead of the deeds of the law. This is the work of God that no sinner can accomplish by themselves. True righteousness comes from God placing His Love in our hearts, but not a bunch of rules/deeds to follow. This is why Paul warned the Galatians not to go back to the Old covenant law, but stay in the Spirit by Faith.

[@axeattheroot2657]

Steve Stone, I don't think you read what I wrote all the way through. Now that we are to bear fruit of the Spirit, do you think believers are going to run around killing, and committing adultery? No, they wouldn't. Your straw man argument holds no weight because the Spirit is higher than the law and gives life, but the law is only a ministration of death. Once we have the Spirit we are to only focus on bearing fruit, but not external deeds that are dead works. This is called obedience of Faith, which is better than the law and also sets us free from the law too.

[@johnmackinnon7321]

Acts has the facts Paul kept Torah !

[@tahoekid7548]

Didn't the 1st century church establish the first day of the week as the day of worship and or sabbath? And didn't Paul say let no one judge u on Holy days , moons, and feasts etc? I believe he also said Jesus is our passover in him we find our rest...

[@sergeant5848]

No. No, they didn't. And you're taking the verse out of context. Read the whole chapter, understand it's context and cross reference with similar verses to understand the verses meaning.

[@president197961]

Dr Brown are you arguing ceremonial laws and Ten Commandments

[@tedkravitz4422]

Mathieu You ask where are the ceremonial law and the 10 commandments separated.? Well to answer your question, The ceremonial laws where not kept inside the Ark of the covenant. Only the Ten Commandments where kept in the Sacred Ark. The Ceremonial laws where kept apart outside of the main Ark. That's quite a separation, don't you think? One was temporary, the other immutable.

[@tedkravitz4422]

MessengerOfTruth That's quite a twist Messenger of lies.. Look up Isa 5:20, and then look at your hokey name. Woe to him who puts darkness for light.

[@timarnett672]

Wow? Personal attack for telling you the truth? The Sabbath was blessed and sanctified at creation Ted. It has never ended. If you want to obey man's traditions by discarding the true Commandment then I believe the messenger of lies falls back on you. Jesus condemned them that were the elite religious leaders of His day in Mark 7:7, Matthew 15: 5, 6 for their substitutions of man made traditions. You should be thankful someone tries to show you how and why discarding the Seventh Day Sabbath for Sunday holiness is dead wrong.

[@georgesedor5864]

Wasn't the temple required in order to keep the feasts of the LORD? Since the temple has been destroyed, no one can properly keep the feasts. Weren't only Sabbath, Passover, Unleavened Bread kept prior to the tabernacle/temple.

[@garlandjones7709]

The Sabbath was exactly what Jesus said it was. a day for man to meditate on God for the benefit of that man.

[@kenamesthewatcherchronicle6746]

I hate all debaters who cut off their opponent and won't allow them to finish their answer but who themselves insist that it isn't always as simple as yes or no and have to thoroughly give their answer.

[@rosscott5217]

@ The Watcher Chronicles See you took off your statement about Ron Wyatt and my reply. Isn’t that being a bit dishonest? Colossians 2 18 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. All I said was that E G W and Ron Wyatt never once tested the spirits. That is scripture is asking the angles who Jesus is and testing things against scripture.

[@halloransusan1842]

i believe in sabbath keeping too

[@MountCarmel007]

Sunday Worship Law is Coming! Watch "THE COMING SUNDAY LAW" by Hope Through Prophecy

[@ctucker7002]

Whose prophecy - EGW?

[@MountCarmel007]

​@@ctucker7002 Our job is to pass God's messages. Read Ezekiel 2v6-7.

[@ctucker7002]

Yup - EGW

[@MountCarmel007]

​@@ctucker7002 For more information, please watch "WHO CHANGED THE SABBATH" by Hope Through Prophecy

[@ctucker7002]

@MountCarmel007 I have no problem with the Sabbath. I believe Saturday is the Sabbath day. Before EGW was born Saturday is/was the Sabbath. There are other things like the investigative judgment, her writings have untrue statements. Like in The Desire of Ages she said Judas Iscariat was eaten by dogs - well that's not in the bible! She prophecied that Jerusalem will not be rebuilt, EGW died in 1915 and Jerusalem became a new state in 1948. I can go on and on.

[@michaeldeo5068]

Yahushua the Messiah kept the commandments and we are supposed to follow his example and walk as he walked. Nowhere in scripture is there a commandment to keep Sunday as the day of rest. Those who know what is right and do it not, that is sin. Sin is the transgression of the Torah. There is a growing number of people among the nations who strive to keep the Sabbath and the rest of the scriptural calendar, and everything that Yahweh has spoken. Here is the patience of the Saint, those who keep the commandments of Elohim and the faith of Yahushua. Sunday as the day of rest is nothing but a tradition of man that makes void the word of Yahweh!

[@youthcomputercenter5372]

dear MICHEAL; sorry if my fellow christians are not explaining somes things clearly. Fact is that, the same God who gave the 10CC is the same God who abolished the 10CC in the new covenant teaching, I will prove it using scripture alone. If you are willing to see the evidence, let me know then i will give you the evidence.

[@alexfinch9762]

@@youthcomputercenter5372 Hi what is the evidence that Jesus/God abolished the 10CC ? (He said he did not come to abolish the law and the prophets but to fulfil them?)

[@zachreyhelmberger894]

Yes and don't forget, not that long ago, the RCC had severe penalties for anyone who had a Bible in their possession. God forbid a Catholic read the Bible and REALLY understood what it said!

[@enick3]

In the Law of Moses, the first five books of the bible God never told Israel to worship him on the Sabbath Day, he told them including the herd and cattle to rest. He did not tell them to worship him, the words Sabbath & worship is not mentioned anywhere together in the law.

[@enick3]

WORSHIP from the Strong's Concordance - H7812 sha?cha?h shaw-khaw' A primitive root; to depress, that is, prostrate (especially reflexively in homage to royalty or God): - bow (self) down, crouch, fall down (flat), humbly beseech, do (make) obeisance, do reverence, make to stoop, worship. "It did not say go to a temple or synagogue to worship God."

[@BradSexson]

+Bro. Glover did Exodus happen ? yes! did Moses go to the mountain to talk with God? yes did God use His own hand to write the 10 Commandments, yes do you murder? do you worship idols? do you steal?, then why choke on the only one that God tells us to Remember?

[@BradSexson]

I know if I say I love Him and do not keep His commandments I lie

[@BradSexson]

and I dont speak vile things to my brother

[@BradSexson]

"we" Cretans have been keeping the 7th Day Sabbath since the creation. you are a jesuit and an willfully ignorant one to boot ..muted you are

[@CarlosRojasCain]

The sabbath day is not an old law done away by christ. Its a commandment.

[@jcthomas3408]

It was a commandment to the Israelites. Now we we supposed to remember his broken body and spilled blood as the new covenant (Luke 22:19-20, 1 Cor 11:23-26). Hebrews 8 explains how the new covenant takes place of the old covenant.

[@jcthomas3408]

@Boyd Daane Jesus fulfilled the law. Completed it. Made it obsolete - Hebrews 8:13. Now we have a new covenant. You might notice that Jesus repeated 9 of the 10 commandments in the NT. He never taught us to keep the Sabbath. It was a symbol for God's rest. We have now entered in to his rest (Hebrews 8:9-10) and do not need the Sabbath, although we are told not to neglect meeting with one another and remember the new covenant with communion. If man was made for the Sabbath, we would need to keep keeping it. But it was made for man, which means it had a purpose, and now it's purpose is done. Heb 10:1 says the law was a shadow of things to come, not the reality. Now we have the reality, Jesus.

[@BlessedLaymanNC]

It sure sounds like the caller was saying that when the time comes, the people worshiping on Sunday will either need to convert to Saturday worship or take the mark of the beast. I have given a lot of time to looking at the Sabbath rules in the OT in the past. It has me thinking that, even today, the gentile Church as well as the Jewish Christians, should set aside one day a week to keep closely, but not necessarily to the same extreme, a day of rest according to the Sabbath instructions. This is not for salvation or sanctification, etc. but for our own sake. "The sabbath was made for man...." In today's world, ok, in the USA, everything is fast-paced and stressful. One day a week should be set aside to relax, take off from all work, and spend the time meditating on and focusing on God. There are some commands that are given to the Jews where God says it is a covenant between the two FOREVER. That being the case, I can understand Jewish Christians following these feast, etc. without passing them on to the Gentiles. As Christians, they are not kept as a requirement of Salvation, but from a covenant relationship between God and the Nation He chose to reveal the Savior/Messiah. I've only known a small handful of Jews and their families who were Christian, and they celebrated the feasts and other events because they were Jews. They all relaxed on the Sabbath, but I only met one family who really took the Sabbath seriously. They had prepared food from the day before that was either under a cover or in the fridge for anyone who would eat a meal or take a snack. They would worship on Friday evening and then drive home and then begin their day of rest. They spent the day singing hymns, reading the Word, and talking about and praising God and Jesus the Savior/Messiah. I envy their Sabbath! They did not drive to worship on the Sabbath, as that would violate it, but they drove home on the Sabbath, LOL. I miss those people.

[@sisterbecky411]

Buck McDaniel , hi Buck, God called the 7th day the Sabbath because it was the day He made Holy and sanctified and set apart and told us to remember! Not any ol' day but the 7th! Since you say that you studied on it I guess you know this😁just like I'm sure you know that we are to keep it just like the 4th commandment tells us! Now the Pharisees added a lot to it & that's why they accused Jesus of breaking it but when God finished writing the commandments He added nothing to them!(Deut.5:22) So we know we must keep it like our God commanded! ( Jesus said till heaven & earth pass the law won't pass away!)

[@aflopa]

For the last four weeks I´ve been reviewing the excellence of the `presentations of Dr. Brown. From the calvinism discussion, the homsexual issue, the biblical Messiah, etc. But now, in this point, I am sure he is wrong. Sabbath is a commandment . Can we void or change or even forget the only point of God´s law starting with "Remember"? Moreover, the Bible and the Bible alone is enough to support and clarify the Sabbath as the holy day. No passages in the NT mention the sunday in any way as the new day of the Lord, nor as a day apart or sanctified or to worship God.

[@Alma-tz8km]

We still keep Sabbath it is not like the Jewish one, since we are not Jewish is the day of the Lord as established from the beginning of the church. In the New Testament you will find that the followers of Jesus got together on the day of the Lord not on Sabbath. But the Christian tradition of the world has brought about to work only Monday thru Friday. That is not the tradition of Muslims of Jews or other religions.

[@aflopa]

no...not necessary after the atonement through Jesus...

[@aflopa]

go ahead with that...

[@aflopa]

no mathieu, I mean the commandments written by God...I have no clue about the ones from Moses...do you have another Bible version with Moses writing those with his finger? maybe I am wrong...

[@aflopa]

of course, but just tell me something...according to your point of view, now we only have to observe 9 of the ten?

[@fortnitepawsheffield5591]

The Holy Spirit is the Seal of God!!

[@rainyday9068]

Sunday is Babylonian day!

[@davidturner1641]

Day of the Sun god

[@alexandedvarla2495]

@@davidturner1641 Monday is the day of the Moon, Tuesday is the day of Mars, Wednesday is the day for Mercury, Thursday is the day of Jupiter, Friday is the day of Venus, Saturday is the day for Saturn, Sunday is the day for the Sun. It all make more sense in Spanish eg Lunes = Luna, Martes= Mars, Miercoles= Mercury, Jueves=Jupiter, Viernes=Venus, Sabado=Saturn, Domingo= Sun. We were taught that at school. Also our months are in the wrong order according to the Biblical Calendar. September should be like is says 7th month, November 9th month, October 8th month.🤔

[@CaptainPlanet337]

Guys does anyone have a link where Dr.Brown talks about Melkisedek..

[@jemvicich9389]

There is not in Any part pf the bible that says you have to worship God on sunday. Even in the heavens the people that was saved Will worship God on saturdays. Isaiah 66:23.

[@lawrenceagnew46]

Jem vicich and sabbath is for Israelites only.h Jeremiah 31:17

[@Gocajoca]

@@lawrenceagnew46 Are you human? Mark 2:27-28 the Sabbath was made for humanity (If you believe Jesus)

[@conradmolemogi7576]

there is the seventh day sabbath set up at creation week which exists as long as we still observe a 7 days per week calendar. This sabbath predates the Jewish festivals. Then years later came the feasts which had new moons and sabbath days totally different from the 7th day sabbath of the week. therefore saying that seventh day adventist need to observe other feast days because of the sabbath cannot stand.

[@JAdams-vb1qb]

Simple questions: Ask yourself; why is there such animosity against the Lord's Sabbath? Do you really know what the Sabbath means? Why would so called "Christians" be against the Sabbath? If you don't have to keep the 4th commandment - why do you think that you would have to keep the other nine? Finally; if there is no law - there is no sin; if the is no sin, we don't need a Savior - doesn't Jesus becomes redundant? BTW: Sunday observance is man's tradition - not biblical, it does not replace the Sabbath.

[@menknurlan]

From scripture we can see that the early christians did meet and broke bread together on the first day of the week. Jesus himself after his resurrection revealed himself on the first day of the week. On the 8th day he came again to the apostles. And he also revealed himself to john on patmos on the first day of the week. Jesus himself initiated the gathering with him on the first day of the week. Ofcourse the first apostles did not go out preaching that the sabbath shouldnt be held on the 7th day anymore. No jew would accept that and they themselves were jews and wered used to go preaching on the sabbath so they kept doing it in the early stages to slowly get to spread the gospel. But its known that they gathered from early on on the sunday, the day of the Lord, initiated by the Lord himself. Also a point to note is that not everything the appostles teached was written. Paul himself says to hold on to the things he wrote them AND the things he told them when he was with them. So they probably did verbally tell about this change of rest and gathering on the first day. That would explain why it was constitutionalized in the whole church cause why would they otherwise change something all of a sudden a few hundred years later if it was against scripture? That would make no sense. It must have already been the standard in the church since the beginning.

[@sergeant5848]

@@menknurlan They broke bread and met on all days of the week - BING! Everyday is Sabbath. SMH!

[@xneutralgodx]

wait what day did GOD rest after he made the New Heavens and New Earth?

[@xneutralgodx]

Frank Holzhauser wait what day did you say GOD rested after making the new heavens and new earth? Also define the word rest? as for marriage remember mathew 22:30 ; as the vows say to death do we depart ; GOD seperates man from his wife at death. Lastly a covenant is a agreement between GOD and man ; this covenant is eternally binding under certain conditions.

[@maxpayne044]

So glad I'm not part of the SDA anymore.

[@maxpayne044]

+MessengerOfTruth I know there are a few that are not bad. But they do all "keep the Sabbath" as they think we are to follow the 4th commandment.

[@maxpayne044]

+MessengerOfTruth Keeping the Sabbath needs to be defined. Can you name a single person in the Bible that ever kept the Sabbath? Jesus is the only one in scripture that kept the Sabbath. Going to a church on Saturday is not keeping the Sabbath.

[@brimacs]

+sav3dbygrac3 Hi,I would like to ask you 3 questions 1 what day did God bless rest and make holly? 2 when did he remove this blessing from the 7th day? 3 Is setting aside Sunday a man chosen day and tradition of man?

[@maxpayne044]

+Brian gives glory to YHWH 1. The 7th day. 2. I never said He removed any blessings. 3. The question is worded as if I worship Sunday. I do not think Sunday is the new Sabbath if that is where you are going with that.

[@maxpayne044]

+MessengerOfTruth I will get back to you once I am on a computer.

[@boan000]

@Dr. Brown, I'm not an SDA believer, but for the sake of argument, if when Elijah comes as one of the two witnesses in Jerusalem he begins preaching Sabbath keeping as opposed to 8th day worship, you'd heed his call, right? Your last caller pointed to rebuke from Elijah in the last days, but you didn't really allow him to develop that point. So what if Elijah came and told us we've been wrong all along?