Dr. Christine Jones - Building New Topsoil Through The Liquid Carbon Pathway

Building New Topsoil Through The Liquid Carbon Pathway For Long Term Productivity And Profit - Dr. Christine Jones, Soil Ecologist, Australia, from the 2019 Conservation Tillage and Technology Conference, March 5 - 6, 2019, Ada, OH, USA.
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[@soilcreepsandgardengeeks71]

This is by far the most exhilarating discussion on soil health that I’ve seen and I’ve gone down the rabbit hole for about a year now creating a personal playlist on soil health and soil ecology. I first was introduced to all of this by finding out about Elaine Inghams teachings. I also like the lectures of David Montgomery. But this is mind blowing and profound anybody that has a mild interest in any kind of farming or gardening or even turf maintenance should watch this and think about their own methodology and approach.Thank you for posting and thank you Christine Jones.

[@soilcreepsandgardengeeks71]

billiebaz thank you I’m interested in attending...and no I have not heard of Gabe brown but I most certainly will check out thank you.

[@billiebruv]

Hiya, Oh yeah he is the practice behind this science, David Brandt also, he started it. Ray Archuleta, Elaine Ingham, there are many more, but this mob is a juicy start

[@soilcreepsandgardengeeks71]

billiebaz absolutely. Like I said I’m familiar with Elaine as well as ray Archuleta...I will check the others out for sure. Thank you.

[@soilcreepsandgardengeeks71]

billiebaz just checked out Gabe, I forgot I have seen some lectures by him. He has been no till for a very long time from what I understand. Love the way he conveys the info, he seems midwestern like me.

[@soilcreepsandgardengeeks71]

Brett Andrews I have not but will look up today...🤝

[@tambarb8235]

Thank you so much. This video is one of the most important Regenerative Ag videos to watch and there are some really good ones. However this is NEW AND SURPRISING Information! I'll be keeping every inch of my soil covered 100% of the time from here on out.

[@randalmoroski1184]

So amazing..!

[@hernanlastre2234]

Brillanteeee!!!! So Amazing!!!

[@KerriEverlasting]

"In contact with plant roots". I did not know that. Thanks 💖

[@hudson8865]

Thank you very much.

[@pjaro77]

Interesting informations but you complete ommited the grazing of ungulates. Big herds of these animals with support of coprophages recreate the steppe/prairie soil from the aboveground biomass. This clearly shows the experiments from Pleistocene park in Russia, in Milovice in Czech rep or in africa (Alan Savory).

[@xxpowwowbluexx]

It’s actually not too hot for plants to grow in the Sahara Desert. The whole Sahara could be converted to a HUGE oasis/rainforest with correct practices. See Dr. Elaine Ingham, leading soil microbiologist.

[@jasonpage5321]

See Geoff Lawton greening the desert another great Australian just like Christine jones. You can't look at it so simplistic as Elaine you need the hole ecosystem to feed shelter water the desert to turn it back into a productive area again. Elaine is good at understanding the life in the soil but life doesn't exist if it can't breath eat and has no home.

[@leelindsay5618]

This isn't a case of one of these scientists right or wrong. Her reference here is about the current temperature and the current situation in the Sahara that is preventing life from taking over. The best solution is to apply these principles and bring about life in the soil which would create the topsoil.

[@fusion9619]

Yep. I had a "omg aha!" moment two years ago when I was researching carbon and water cycles to teach it to my science class. Like, a bunch of stuff clicked into place... Gents, we got work to do!

[@xyzsame4081]

The Sahara is too hot and has too intense radiation for ideal conditions (even for plants that like full sun). But there are plants that _can_ and do cope IF they have enough (and consistent) water supply. Some pioneere trees can survive 2 years of draught and as soon as the rain comes they spring back into photosynthesis.

[@xyzsame4081]

But it is an illusion (and shows lack of information) to think "the whole Sahara" (or other hot or cold deserts) can be made fertile and turned into an oasis / fruit forest, farmland, garden, or steppe / park land. You can't fix lack of fresh water !! it is VERY expensive to transport water. What happens is that in some regions ! land is RECLAIMED from the desert that used to have JUST enough rainfall to allow some agriculture or grazing - just enough if nothing bad happened or humans abused the land. Ethopia seems to recover, the herds had finally left when they had grazed all down, and then they had a few seasons of good rain, but not yet herds that ate every shoot. The Loess Plateau was regenerated with a major project of the Chinese government (area as large as the Netherlands, 2.5 million people lived there in the 1990s). That land had always a good potential to be green, enough rain for that, there was a major negative feedback loop going on - but the short and impressive recovery (after a MASSIVE effort) shows: This is not arid land, just badly managed. By farmers that needed to make an income. Only government intervention - or mass cooperation - is able to turn this around. Considering how much the locals were annoyed to have to give up their usual ways, the authority of the dictatorship was very much needed to enforce reasonable measures. But they used the carrot for the most part, not the stick, the locals were not left to fend for themselves. As is the case in most rich or poor countries. They got help (financial aid and jobs) and the government paid for the investments that will serve them well for centuries to come. Now they build the Great Green Wall (trees to stop the desert, to regain land from the desert and to replenish the water tables). Fighting desertification for at least 40 years (their straw grids, followed by planting and watering). The Silk Road Initiative. Pushing for renewable energy big time (so their committment set the positive feedback loop of dropping prices and R&D in motion). Now they signed a cooperation agreement with Japan on hydrogen production and technology (running motors on hydrogen). Not to forget the bullet trains. Lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty in rural regions, It is a dictatorship - but if they put their mind on some long term development they go big in an impressive manner. They are putting the rich democracies to shame with consistent and long term oriented projects, and investing with decades and centuries in mind.

[@SearchFeeders]

It is unfortunate that there isn't a stronger voice around the liquid carbon pathway and seed microorganisms as a solution sustainable ag

[@lifelover4484]

Concerning the beginning slide on farm revenue - how did input providers begin capturing a larger share of farm income - If you look deeper you'll see that the gold standard was readjusted in 1934 by Roosevelt and then WWII happened which could only be financed through fiat money then in 1971 Nixon severed fiat currency's ties to gold completely.

[@b_uppy]

You referring to the Canadian chart on farm income?

[@veganchiefwarrior6444]

bare soil is hotter? how do i get best of both worlds in my cool climate? goin troppo in the tempo

[@xyzsame4081]

mulched soil takes longer to warm up. With raised beds you have slightly higher temps than in the underground (and slightly higher evaporation if it is hot, that can play a role in very hot summers. then IN the ground is cooler. Of course mulching is super important to avoid evaporation losses) On fields - you could try cover crops, they can actively absorb the energy of the spring sun. Or a transparent foil that entraps the solar radiation ? Depends on the size of your operation. I think I have seen Charles Dowding using something like this, maybe it is a foil that is semi permeable (I think I saw something that was a little opaque, semi transparent). So some exchange of air is possible. (Dowding has large market garden, excellent channel).

[@mourlyvold64]

Use mature compost in winter, the dark colour will warm up easier in sunlight.

[@jdotpenneyatcomputer]

She sounds like Helen caldicot

[@timkinrade9533]

Me, like always: ::puts the video on 2x speed and zones out until the fire and brimstone is over because the need is irrelevant while what's possible is relevant:: For those that understand, the video starts at 10:48

[@TMHarrigan]

Thanks

[@farooqahmedmarri2370]

Dear,more agriculture information send me I am agriculturist and i interested.

[@xxpowwowbluexx]

Farooq Ahmed Marri, search for Dr. Elaine Ingham to learn more.

[@billiebruv]

@@xxpowwowbluexx yeah and Gabe Brown

[@leelindsay5618]

And Ray Archuleta

[@b_uppy]

Someone mentioned Christine Jones. She has talked about covercropping as part of the no-till, carbon-building process, to supplement your knowledge. I think Mark Shepard and his book, Restoration Agriculture make a lot of sense as to how to grow more nutrition and maintain profitability while transitioning to soil-building farming methods. I've read ome reports that two or more covercrops coplanted with the regular crops can yield fantastic results.

[@neelumahendra4695]

“ paani foundation “ for water harvesting

[@FM-bq1ih]

Let’s not throw out the baby with the bathwater by not allowing her to go through her presentation in a complete manner due to time limitations- our loss in such a critical detailed understanding to fix what’s wrong with agriculture

[@joemcglue2881]

people in general do not take responsibility for their health we need to watch what we eat if we want to live a healthy life style this includes liquids /fruits /vegs / all things in moderation stop greed in eating drinking

[@kylesweogard5013]

Yes! Then we have the powers that be,trying to kill us and steal our money.

[@b_uppy]

People are starving because of depleted nutrition in conventionally grown, monocropped, chemical agriculture crops. Nutrient density is greatly reduced, their bodies are finding these foods to be the nearly same nutritionally as junk food. The body gets confused...

[@b_uppy]

You can build soil carbon (and thus topsoil) quickly thru no-till and cover crops. If you can do liquid carbon using industrial wastes, all the better. Using crop waste ie chaff, and then carbonizing it using methods that lose the least amount of carbon are great because carbon is more stable and lasts centuries, unlike ie humus additives. I think one possibility lies with capturing the benefits of humanure/livestock manure as a fuel and as a source of carbon for land rehabbing After harvesting methane from ie humanure, that perhaps drying it then carbonizing is a possible solution. By drying then processing it and applying it to land, we can kill several birds with one stone. Carbonization deals with problematic pathogens of humanure and its typical disposal while it recaptures the methane as a valuable fuel. Additionally this can help remineralize the soil, instead of letting it all be lost.

[@CITYBORNDESERTBRED]

Karl Thidemann sent me here 🤯 @soil4climate FB group

[@mikeharrington5593]

Having great soil is obviously important but this doesn't really address the problem or solutions of how you stop unwanted plants (weeds) crowding out the food plants that we are attempting to cultuvate to sustain us.

[@va8003]

The answer is no-dig soil management or at least shallow plowing. Tilled soils shoot weeds desperately to heal themselves after being dug. By shooting weeds soils simply fulfill their ecological mission of locking carbon from leaking into the atmosphere. Tilling destroys the atmosphere and kills fragile soil life, which otherwise would provide nutrition to plants, help them resist pests, and withstand long periods of drought if any. By destroying this natural mechanism we become hostages of fertilizers (which further acidify the soil), bee-killing pesticides, and herbicides, ultimately accelerating our own extinction as a species. You can't cheat nature. You can stuff it with synthetic fertilizers as much as you want, but they are not part of Nature and can't substitute nutrition.

[@RockefellarTrustFund]

There's another video with Christine Jones where she talks about planting a diverse cover crop which will crowd out weeds. As an aside too, many Weeds are edible. Checkout the book "The Weed Forager's Handbook".

[@xyzsame4081]

The same methods and thinking that helps you revive oil also helps you to manage weed. One crucial thing about regnerative soil managment is that it is never left naked. = Cover crops / green manure. The other is no tilling. you do not activate the seed bank in the soil by bringing them up to the surface. If the ground is always covered by the (diverse !) plants of your choice they outcompete the weeds.

[@xyzsame4081]

Dave Brandt is a conventional farmer type, that grows corn, soy and wheat. However, he also realized that working against nature is (increasingly) costly and requires MORE and more input (time or money) over time. Not only does it degrade the soil over time and reduces the ability to absorb and HOLD water and the (expensive) fertilizer, the need for input inceases. In form of money (for nitrogen fertilizer, herbicides, and pesticides). Or having to work the land (that can also require investment into machines). That means higher costs and lower profits. He has been using cover crops / Green manure for decades to fix nitrogen from the air, to keep the rain in the soil, to mine minerals and pump up water ! from the underground with help of deep rooting cover crops, to build soil, and to save money on herbicides. There are no weeds coming up, if Dave is fast enough and determines WHAT is growing in the space. See for instance the youtube video: Mimicking nature: One farmer's cover crop history. Healthier cash crops growing in good soil might be also more restistant to pests. They do not have as much draught stress (because they still get moisture from underground when conventionally managed fieldsare dry already. * the ability to let water infiltrate can differ by factor 10 Conventionally farmed means: Tilling, ploughing, lots of nitrogen and spraying of herbicides and pesticides, and naked earth for some time of the year - all really bad for soil life and therefor water retention capacity. When a cover crop or plants that are intercropped (with lots of benefits for the cash crop) are well established, there is no space for weeds. Dave Brant mentioned the cost savings for herbicides. Water absorption and retention ability: Example: Two adjacent fields in North Dakota, I think both used for soy and similar crops. After harvest - I guess August or early Septemeber. The conventionally farmed field was dry, the field that was managed with no till and always something growing on it had a little moisture (feeling it with the hand). The standardized soil infiltration test: the water on the conventional field needed 10 times longer to be absorbed. A short but torrential rainfall (thunderstorm) is a blessing for one field and not one drop is lost, nor is there any erosion damage. The other field not only misses out on a lot (most) of the goodness and there will be runoff that goes into streams and is within days in the ocean (carried off nitrogen fertilizer, and topsoil and all) - it is also damaged and degraded by erosion. Usually one of the crucial questions for a farmer is: How much rain do you get in your area ? Answer: xx inches per year. In permaculture and regenerative farming circles: How much rain do you get per year ? Answer: _All_ of it.

[@xyzsame4081]

Rain and sun (intensity and lenght of growing season) are the most important LIMITING factors. Everything else CAN be fixed. Weeds are a minor side issue. Unfortunately mankind has not found a cost efficient fix for delivering surplus fresh water into regions that would need it. - Even a plot in the desert with nacked rock and a lot of wind can be made fertile. There is enough solar radiation, IF there would be enough fresh water, the location can be upgraded into an oasis. Sure it would be challenging with bare underground and there would need to be some input of bio mass (compost) and / or substrate (at least sand !) in the beginning, but do 20 years of regenerative farming and you can build an oasis. 5 years to improve or regenerate most lands (never mind the climate zone) when the situation is less challenging. 7 - 10 years if it is only arid, but there is somthing like "soil" (baked clay/sand mixtures) to work with and hardy pioneer trees can get their roots into the underground, and there is ground water that had been accessible in the last 100 years (even if depleted and much lower at the moment). If trees were able to reach ground water in the not so recent past, then the land has the potential to be restored. Unfortunately it is VERY expensive (needs a lot of energy) to transport fresh water. (zeppelines might be an answer for that problem). The weight. Pipelines are costly (and would have to be monitored for theft, more than oil pipleines because a leak is not toxic. and transporting it would be too costly even with current fossil fuel prices. Desalination is also very costly. Even in coastal dry areas and when using solar power. In the semi-arid landscapes adjacent to deserts, fresh water is a scarce and high value resource as well. getting water in is way too expensive. Or one region is in the rain shadow of the mountain range. They have that situation in India (I do not recall the name of the regon, one of the areas with the lowest level of yearly rainfall in India that is used for farming - the coastal area has 3 to 3.5 times the rain, but the mountain range catches a lot of that and deprives the hinterland of a lot of precipitation. The not so distant land behind the mountain range used to get just enough, but they had been running into problems. I guess they would have to drill to get a pipeline through or transport it with vehicles (or have a pipeline go around the mountain range. All of that is way too expensive. No one invested that in order to help the locals. They had to rely on the _free of charge delivery of water_ (in form of rain 3 - 4 months a year) and be very cirumspect with that free resource. With communal water management and modest methods, one village drastically improved the water situation, and the income of all farmers there. They can have 2 crops per year again. The average yearly rainful is not plentiful (and they have at least 8 months with no rain, and then it comes as downpour for 3 - 4 months). The yearly rainfall is sufficient if carefully harvested and managed. In that village the chief of the village (kind of mayor) pushed for a community effort, the whole village worked on anti-erosion and rain-harvesting installations and measures - everywhere. They restored the local water table fast, which means there are again some springs, wells and creeks that have water year round, they also have irrigation ponds. It took them 2 - 3 years to see major improvements, so they were motivated to continue. NOW they meet, measure the level of the ground water, then it is decided which kind of crops are allowed to be grown this season. Only when the ground water is well replenished after a good rain season ** the local farmers are allowed to grow the crops that bring more money but also need more water. Like sugar cane or banana. ** good rain season - and of course they now get a lot more of the monsoon rain water into the soil, and the aquifers. They also built storage ponds. Which is much better than having a lot of erosive !! runoff into streams, where the water is more or less lost for humans, it does not even help people and nature downstreams, the water moves too fast, and arrives within days in the ocean. It is de facto lost for life on land - until the sun brings it back as water vapor that condensates as rain or snow. The authority of the village chief and social (and other) pressure make everyone stick to the conservation scheme. In case someone tried to be clever, let the others do the prudent self-restriction regarding water consumption, while individually benefitting from the generally improved situation by growing plants that need a lot of water. The self-interest of indviduals cannot solve such problems, only the community working towards the longertem greater good. In the beginning there was some discussion why the farms that were uphill would be the first that would get the installations with help of communal work (water harvesting structures). Well if you catch the rain higher up before it rushes down the slope, it never gains in speed. And the water that infiltrates the soil is also pressed downwards, helping the neighbours under / adjacent to the rehydrated land. Once water accumulates in volume and speed it needs much more costly measures to slow it down, never mind the damage it is able to do on the way until it is slowed down and pacified. But jealousy and Me, me, mine immediately popped up, and it needed the mediation of the village head to explain to them that ALL benefitted, while some were first and got the most benefit. Their turn would come but in the meantime they improvement for the others would help them, too. For instance when steams and wells and springs were revived that were under the properties they worked first. Communal decision making and cooperation: if the water situation is not so good, no one gets to grow the lucrative crops, they grow potatoes and other crops that are easier on the water store. But at least NOW they can ALL rely on having 2 crops every year, so that helps with revenue. And ground that is covered all the time is also better able to store water. As for the costs of transporting fresh water surplus to areas in need: Not even in the U.S. is a surplus of water transported to the states that could well do with some input for the ground water. Think torrential rain in Florida or Tennessee - and water scacrity and dropping underground water tables in Texas or California. The only realistic chance is to make the best of the water that is transported FOR FREE with help of solar energy : RAIN. Or snowfall on mountain ranges, that thaws and feeds the rivers (like the Colorado River).

[@DMT4Dinner]

Sounds like the video is gonna start “after lunch”

[@ilovenature9822]

This is incredibly important talk.... Will Netflix, Amazon prime, and both mainstream TV ~~ will you report on this crucial facts huh? Or covid -19 propaganda sideline cardgame

[@sacredcowbbq1326]

I have to respectfully disagree with the leading causes of death. Iatrogenic disorders are ahead of cancer and heart disease.

[@norxgirl1]

Especially when the medical profession and pharmaceutical industry have harmed/ altered many from the womb with powerful synthetic endocrine disruptors - DES - 1930s to 1970s....the Silent Thalidomide - since it adversely affected internal/external reproductive organs, altered DNA, altered fertility, etc.

[@veganchiefwarrior6444]

lets teach Christine, animal products cause all of those diseases, its not diseases of deficiency, its diseases of excess.

[@veganchiefwarrior6444]

@It's All About The Chil'ern dont be stupid

[@alireid5874]

Humans are omnivores. Dr. Jones understands this, as do most humans.

[@veganchiefwarrior6444]

@@alireid5874 well thats humanity for you lol to be more specific.. we are actually frugivores like our closest relatives, atleast thats how are bodies are designed to be, but survival situations forced us to eat meat, which is fair to say is the lead cause of death in humans, because we arent designed to eat it, hence why even the worlds biggest health organizations of the world have classed meat as a human carcinogen lol lets not forget tho, sustainble grass feed has been debunked, theres not enough land for everyone to eat grass fed

[@alireid5874]

@@veganchiefwarrior6444 humans did not evolve in a uniform climate. They ate locally and seasonally, and were certainly not capable of being frugavores in most climates. Half the US is under snow and sub freezing temps right now. What should people be foraging for their frugavore diet? Not a theoretical question. Where should they find their 2,000 fruit calories right now?

[@veganchiefwarrior6444]

@@alireid5874im talking about our anatomy.. our current location is irrelevant cause we also have clothing and heating.. by no means are we evolved to live in a cold climate, go to the supermarket and get your calories there maybe? not saying its impossible to be a vegan cave man.. stored grain and seasonal plants works, unless your an eskimo, who have a life expectancy of 40 years lol dont let a shit climate ruin your health, supermarket, garden.