Dr Frans Cronje: Don’t rule out ANC/DA Parliamentary coalition after 2024 Election

[@marcusmoonstein242]

Just on the point of fixing elections : I used to work as an party election monitor for the DA, and I can assure you that our election system is impossible to rig to any substantive degree. This is baked right into the entire system of checks and balances that we use when conducting elections. Rigging one polling stations' results would be incredibly difficult, and rigging enough polling stations to change a overall election result is impossible. One of the best safeguards we have is the various party monitors who jealously guard the votes at all the voting stations in the country. The party monitors watch the votes being cast and when they are counted, and so the parties can independently tally all the votes in the entire country. Any significant deviation between what the parties directly observed at the voting stations and the results announced by the IEC will immediately trigger alarms.

[@Hannodb1961]

As a FF+ party agent, I can confirm this. I have more confidence in the integrity of our elections than that of the USA. And if there is one good thing about the EFF, its that there party agents checking out the ANC in places where they otherwise might have gotten away with shenanigans. The biggest threat to our democracy now are changes to the electoral system. This nonsense about voting for individuals rather than parties is a major red flag, and people calling for "direct elections" will inadvertently drag us back to a two party system. One of the best things that happened in 1994 was that we adopted the proportional electoral system. Yes, it has its flaws, but it is also literally the difference between us and Zimbabwe.

[@stlouisix3]

You guys sound even more leftist than the Democrats🤣😂😅

[@Hannodb1961]

@@stlouisix3 Why do you say that? I am no leftist, I'm an arch conservative. I must say, I think the process of our elections are much more robust than those in America, where the Democrats even politicize something as basic as voter ID.

[@marcusmoonstein242]

@@stlouisix3 Actually, in South Africa the DA that I worked for is libertarian center-right, while the FF+ the other commenter worked for are conservative. The South African election system is very well designed by international standards and is far superior to the American one. For example, you can't vote in any election without providing ID and having your name on the voters role. Both of these will be checked at the voting station before a ballot paper is issued. The Jan 6th stuff-up the Americans has simply can't happen here.

[@gwenbaxter7854]

This is such a great interview it fills our hearts with hope for the future. It might take some time to iron out all the wrinkles but it is a sound possibility to create unity amongst the ordinary citizens of our precious country.

[@morenakhaya655]

We 🇿🇦 unites nothing stops us n currently we can all say ANC is bad for us whether black or white

[@fin-rb3yz]

@morena khaya and you truly believe yts will cater to everyone equally?? Lol u are delusional....y is it that were yt people are in power like in usa /europe, black people are still the poorest nd marginalised...name one country where yts are in power and blacks are equal to yts????

[@pamelaleibowitz3019]

We are very tough, been through much, we will overcome!

[@markkahn8890]

IF YOU DON'T VOTE DON'T COMPLAIN CORRUPTION OUT!! VOTE FOR CHANGE!!!!!!

[@igame6823]

ANC/DA is very possible considering they have the same bosses, the only thing they disagree with is BEE

[@mathewman]

they have NOTHING IN COMMON

[@palesamanifesto8830]

Great conversation, great interview with highly charged information. Love it, it opens one's perspective

[@lionelbartlett5388]

Anc must go they are. Useless. They dont no politics.

[@fin-rb3yz]

Bleks always learning from yts...but never the other way round...

[@acidjazz-t5v]

Remove politicians and run our country like a business. National exco commitee comprising of industry experts, academics, international best practice consultants etc. CEO reporting to that National exco commitee. Ministers replaced by industry experts. TEAL system( total economic activities levy) 1% of total banking transactions to generate taxes. This system will generate 25 to 27 times more in taxes apparently. Scrap all other taxes. This will benefit citizens and make South Africa attractive for investment. Use crowd funding platforms to create wealth for citezens.

[@lionelsmith6129]

Then you put the right people, in the right places.

[@seamus9750]

There has to be at least a handful of ANC moderates that can see this as a viable option for a stable future with accountability being the focus. If the ANC gets completely wiped out as a political party then they'll return to terrorism in the guise of freedom fighter's.

[@isoboy1000]

Freedom fighters? Julius has already taken that banner, ANC members just want good life they will go where there are opportunities to eat.

[@bennymotsoeri4190]

I disagree strongly with your thoughts towards a return to any armed liberation struggle. The ANC is dying a slow and agonising but natural death. The ANC is bleeding voters. It's a natural death and not a demise through usurping by a more inspiring, savy opposition political party. Frankly another big problem is that the DA and other contender parties posses no inspiring gravitas of ideas to win non-sentimental loyalists at all at the moment. I surmise that DA, ANC and EFF are all parties of passé politics (still typified by race, non-racialism ad nauseum) whose death knell will be sounded by misrule and corruption resulting in failure to deliver on basics. I last voted ANC pre- prez-Zuma. As my pre-democracy generation incrementally continue to vote away from ANC, also, disgruntled RSA youths are increasingly abstain from voting. I am at a loss at the moment who to vote for, but I know I am not voting either visionless EFF or hapless DA, most certainly not rudderless ANC in any foreseeable future.

[@seamus9750]

@@bennymotsoeri4190Appreciate your stance Benny.... but you're between a rock and a hard place...you need to back a "horse" and hope it pulls through for you...I have a Euro passport and could leave in the morning but ain't ...I love this place as do most immigrants.

[@bennymotsoeri4190]

@@seamus9750

[@bennymotsoeri4190]

Thank you @@seamus9750 I too can emigrate, but no thanks. Good for your ilk and your options. My generation caught the baton from the 1955 and 1976 generations and we continue to fight for equal rights. What matters is the cause, not the colour of the popular T-Shirt of the moment. It is flippant/dissatisfied rebels who opt in, but we have no luxury of options since we know who we are, where we belong and that's where are destined, in life or in death.

[@billyb7469]

Country is to far gone ...has to be built from scratch everything has been destroyed

[@wernerziemerink]

All the more reason to support the FF+

[@bertramhall6131]

Sorry, but there will be no “take off” until the energy problem is resolved

[@neermalapillay8016]

Hear lots of stories hope is this one 🙏 helps the thousands of citizens that are struggling this country people have been through much leadership has let us down

[@stevennicholas5472]

You get what you vote for.

[@margueritetheron9667]

Thanx guys, great interview, u give us hope‼️

[@benjamincoetzer7611]

I wil never vote DA again if that happens.

[@nedor64]

I have never voted for that morons it is also their fault that we are in the situation we are in today.

[@leosonbentley2770]

Then you are not serious about governing or our saving our country. The DA will NEVER win national elections because the majority of the electorate don’t like their policies. They reached their maximum support. The only way the DA will govern nationally is in coalition with the ANC. There is not enough small party support to form a national government and it’s always better to work with one coalition partner then with many. A DA/ANC coalition is the best case scenario for this country. Be serious.

[@rico9374]

Already won't because of their woke policies, rampant homelessness in CT and bad service delivery.

[@isoboy1000]

John has already made an indication that they will work with ANC if they are the only parties who will make over 50%

[@benjamincoetzer7611]

@@isoboy1000 its off i go then..

[@AnitaCorbett]

Oh WOW !!!!!!! This is the most positive hopeful regenerating message I’ve ever heard It makes me more excited than the release of Mandela

[@richern2717]

The choices is 1: A One Party State or 2: A One Party State. if DA and ANC go into coalition. The NP disappeared that way....

[@rockrabbit253]

It just depends on how much the ANC drops below 50% They will form a coalition with anyone just to try and maintain some power and the corrupt benefits that they can get from it.

[@sasha8664]

I hope al jammah and Good Voters can see where their votes will end up

[@christophervan6966]

A special thanks to those who emigrated, for your optimism and fortitude. If you ever want to come back, and I am in charge of Repatriation, I will set the bar nice and high.

[@christinefinniss6263]

Great interview. 🤙🇿🇦

[@doreenmusson4891]

Dr Cronje. Projections can be based on self fulfilling prophecies. We pray yours is right. But workers in public sectors and parastatals will vote for the salaries? They constitute a huge %? And what if Culture is added?

[@rockrabbit253]

A question: If the ANC and DA formed a stable coalition in 2024 and the conditions of the country improved after that , which party would benefit the most in 2029 ?

[@sasha8664]

I would assume the DA because the in fighting amongst ANC for positions would be immense.And if the country improved after all that in fighting,the credit would have to go the DA..also more AnC elder voters would die off

[@On-The-Flies]

How can I join Biznews

[@AnitaCorbett]

Please keep stirring that magic pot ! Franz

[@jimmymshali6661]

it. is very hard to predict because there are so many new parties formed people are frustrated they just vote anything

[@alsonmbatha3844]

I wonder why DA would have rule the country with other parties do they not ready to rule the country as DA amazing really

[@isoboy1000]

They don't have numbers to run the country they need ANC, thats their only option but also a disaster.

[@Acton65]

Sharon Tate not Jean Shrimpton

[@frankagliottisnr3657]

/the EFF are pawns that will be moved where money can keep them in" Party" mode until the sponsor runs out and then they move to who ever want's them as pawns

[@mathewman]

i used to follow this guy - even read his book. he has LOST it!!! no doubt caused by the constant pressure you guys live. the 2024 will result in an ANC/EFF government with the EFF taking major positions. DON'T WORRY life will carry on - you'll still have your servants. RELAX

[@ianoverll692]

I can see this happening if it is for practical reasons

[@dalineesterhuizen7191]

What is the cape get indipendence

[@Hannodb1961]

Are you willing to go to war for it? Its not happening any other way.

[@xosanjosh-t8709]

What about other regions?

[@lionelsmith6129]

We will do good, if we go independent in western cape. Away from the ANC & eff. It's the only way to go

[@chronosmagasaurus2813]

@@lionelsmith6129 You are extremely stupid to think that the national government would let the cape which is a massive economic driver fall out of their control without waging a war. Please think before you talk, you putting lives at risk

[@xosanjosh-t8709]

@@lionelsmith6129If that happens, what would stop other regions fro doing it? Invading part of a sovereign country is cold war. We dont want war you know it. If you want to fight, go help ukraine to defend their sovereignty or to Congo to fight tribal indifferences. You are moslag. Dont damage this wonderful land.

[@stlouisix3]

May God save South Afca☦️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿✝️

[@stlouisix3]

I have faith that God will show great mercy and compassion on South Afca, particularly from mid-2024.

[@margueritetheron9667]

Noooooooo not Jean Shrimpton, ‼️‼️‼️‼️

[@BizNewsTV]

Humblest apologies - RIP Sharon Tate.....we're removing evidence of my poor memory

[@mokhethimokone9012]

If recent events in Ekhuruleni, Tshwane and Johannesburg are anything to go by then we are in big trouble. Both parties have not been able to form stable coalitions thus far. The answer is to amalgamate all small parties under one banner of conscious and enlightened patriots with the courage to press the reset button.

[@pietcordier5060]

Why cont the opposition drive the point home to the black population that sa will never return to apartheid because may be some think it wood?9

[@tonitappous2422]

Have you seen the overwhelmingly positive response of the youth to Mac G's recent Podcast with John Steenhuisen on KZbin? It is a real eye- opener that bodes well for the future of our country! ( read the comments of the youth)

[@fin-rb3yz]

Go watch julius malema macg podcast...

[@Babajagnee]

This British left and went back to England but donkey boers stay on 😅😅😅

[@fin-rb3yz]

Exactly...they know they cant compete out there in europe with their fellow yt people....thts y they will hang on to afrika for as long as they can...

[@markkaalvoet]

Hypothetically, my defection to the FF+ has created the possibility of an ANC DA Coalition?

[@matthewbougaard7132]

no i would assume it is predominately the anc falling below 50% and the eff being a worse option for them that makes this possible

[@frankagliottisnr3657]

All political members are good and bad the good one's usually loose out but the bad one's always win so you have to live with it

[@francoispoolman9853]

I WISH THIS TO BE TRUE😢😂😂😂 THANK YOU MY GOD!😢

[@jamesarc8192]

Amazing, Alec adoptinga Ukainian Cossack hairstyle? Something we should be told?

[@Hannodb1961]

Lets not forget. Its the great many 1% parties that shaved off a lot of the ANC support. Removing them would play to the benefit of the bigger parties, the biggest of them being the ANC.

[@raymondcandiotes4639]

Will this stop the ANC thieving???

[@isoboy1000]

Really? people who have tasted champagne life. Those guys won't answer to anyone they would rather sabotage the coalition just do that DA image can be destroyed.

[@raymondcandiotes4639]

@@isoboy1000 You are absolutely correct. Just hoping for the impossible I suppose.

[@vuyomqwati4381]

I’d like to hear from an objective analyst , every analyst out there predicts that ANC and EFF coalition will lead to doom but ANC and DA leads to glory. I want one who is willing to be objective and say if the ANC/EFF works out well then this is going to follow

[@rockrabbit253]

Why would an ANC/EFF coalition be good for SA ? ANC policies have failed and EFF policies have failed everywhere they have been tried. Having a coalition with 2 parties with proven failed policies doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

[@zetmpendukana5787]

@@rockrabbit253 China has the second best economy , eff policies are similar to that of china , not sure where those policies failed

[@Hannodb1961]

The EFF want to legalise theft. Enough said. Look at the rest of the world, no body does anything in a state where the government can confescate everything you've build up at a drop of a hat. You dont need an analyst to tell you what would happen if the eff win power.

[@rockrabbit253]

@@zetmpendukana5787 How are China's current policies similar to EFF's ? When the communists took control they took control of all the land and as a result MILLIONS of people died. Is that what you want ? China only started to improve their economy when they started to move towards a free market economy. Today you can own land in China. EFF policies want the State to own all land.

[@captainanyonebutteo9126]

@@zetmpendukana5787 They failed when 60 million people got killed in Mao's cultural revolution. I don't know about you but I don't want South Africans to die so that Julius can buy more Gucci shoes

[@hoffmanmervinhoffman]

hi this not the point dont forget the own blacks and whites are no score but 2024 it the A N C will get involve to let the first nation as the KHOI and SAN will being joint the A N C than you guys will see same difference no DEALS

[@volgantifriebus9549]

Let me be honest you're all useless and I'm being held against my will in South Africa a failed state

[@guyjamieson9330]

Sharon Tate

[@mlulekisibanda5374]

ANC might core govern with DA

[@andrevanas85]

it will be a shitshow

[@philipbanda6637]

@@andrevanas85 imperialists governing South Africa again NEVER .that time is gone for good,, the only sensible combination wud be ANC, EFF and may be IFP . DA NO chance !!

[@chronosmagasaurus2813]

@@philipbanda6637 You are a troll living in your own fantasy devoid of whats going on in your country, I know who you. You are a foreigner, that surname isnt South African. Foreigners have no right to talk SA politics. Voetsek to ur own country