DR JOHN ANALYZES LORI VALLOW DAYBELL’S SENTENCING STATEMENT

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

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[@HiddenTrueCrime]

@@Ana-hz5fwthanks. It’s odd because our streaming system was supposed to auto correct volume, which it usually does a fine job doing, but we will be working on that issue.

[@michellegallegos8749]

This is the video that I have been waiting for. Sorry I missed the live, but definitely enjoyed the replay. Thank you both!

[@corn4life136]

@HiddenTrueCrime - I think your sound issues might (could possibly) be related to your computer speakers being in too close proximity which causes computer speakers to go crazy because their both picking up common audio space that both speakers are covering.

[@janetrobertshaw6487]

Her whole statement makes me FEEL DEEPLY OFFENDED FOR THE VICTIMS. X

[@iveliserojas612]

She said when JJ passed away lady you killed

[@inannanightingale9718]

I can't get past the irony of her starting her statement by "educating" us all in how nobody has the right to judge other than Jesus, and it felt like she was saying the court had no right to judge her. Yet the reason we're all here is because SHE thought she had the right to judge who was light and dark and who had the right to live or die.

[@lorawalker5259]

My thoughts EXACTLY as she started her statement!!!!

[@lisak5804]

I thought that too!

[@daniellealexander7392]

Nailed it!!!

[@annedavis3340]

What struck me most is that she, an adulteress, picked a story when Jesus was saving the life of an adulturess. Jesus was keeping them from stoning her to death for her adultery. But no one was out here putting her to death, and her crimes were far worse. The christian Jesus cared for children. "Hers" was her wingman while she murdered two of hers, and others.

[@Peaceshiet812]

We know who her Jesus really is .

[@RoxiMarie]

This is the first time it clicked in my mind that by saying the kids told her not to feel guilty she backhandedly admitted guilt.

[@Chinch27]

Exactly

[@snowwhite2524]

I didn't catch that, you're totally right!!

[@cindariley7315]

Right on!!

[@Sunshine_Suzie_Q]

Great point!!

[@thomasjoseph3552]

I would agree, except that after she heard the prosecutors recommendation she began writing, she said “not, everything is murder, accidents, happen”, medication, I think her fake delusional statement was an attempt to sway the judge away from a life sentence without parole😡 Actually since the delusional statement, family members that remember when Tyler was born, are already calling her a liar

[@m0L3ify]

I'm always struck by how she says "MY Jesus" like she owns him. Like, everyone else is hanging out with regular Jesus, but when she's with him, he's HERS. It's so bizarrely possessive, like she has authority over him as well.

[@margaretlumley1648]

I think she believes this. She IS an exalted being, you know! 😉

[@m0L3ify]

@@margaretlumley1648 haha lord have mercy 😜

[@pattishea2289]

you have no wrinkles. whaT APP Are you usimg? interesting look. thanks fot yhe content.❤

[@Kathie4]

🤣 that has me cracking up - you painted a bizarre & hilarious mental image for me! Thank you!

[@Peaceshiet812]

Yeah , I found that really infuriating, even though we know that HER Jesus is in fact, the other Guy , I hope she realises that one day.

[@sherielowe4256]

When Lori was talking about Tylee in the hospital, I honesty got serious Munchousen by Proxie vibes. Her entire speech gave me the creeps. "Accidents happen, overdose happens, suiside happens." Is that how she is able to sleep at night? Rip JJ, Tylee, and Tammy.🙏🏼

[@annedavis3340]

Oh God that sent me. I wanted to pin her down (in the verbal not physical sense) and ask Lori which she claimed each was

[@colleenuchiyama4916]

The moment, the very MOMENT I found out that Tylee had pancreatitis, I immediately thought of Munchhausen. For a small kid to get it seems really unusual.

[@Pamsmith59]

@@colleenuchiyama4916 Lori's statement was the FIRST time I'd heard that Tylee had any sort of illness. Surely this would be backed up by doctor visits, hospitalization statements, not to mention discussion by both ward and family members. Has anyone else talked about this "illness?"

[@annedavis3340]

@@Pamsmith59 yes. And doctors couldn't find a reason it was happening to Tylee, and allegedly there was some suspicion among doctors that Lori was causing Tylee's condition, in Factitious Disorder Imposed Upon Another (which used to be called Munchausen's by proxy). The whole "I was there for her I was so great" ministering angel thing she did in this speech is consistent with that disorder too, in my opinion. So... Allegedly. But yes Tylee FOR SOME REASON did have that condition and spent a large quantity of time in severe pain in hospitals. Someone said Tylee once said "I can't come, my mom says I'm sick today." And that being said it's no reason for Lori to act like death was a mercy for Tylee. Horrendous. Especially IF she allegedly may have been the cause of that pain Tylee suffered. That made me so mad. Disabled people aren't animals to put down when you're tired of them and pretend you're helping. So so awful

[@colleenuchiyama4916]

@@Pamsmith59 yes, many times.

[@sandigrace2271]

The convicted murderer's demeanor and tone was one of sternly correcting wayward children. She may look at others as lesser beings and so look down on us. She was petulant, stubborn, prideful, and painfully delusional. Irritates me that she uses the name of Jesus. Shame on her. She has NO IDEA Who He Is.

[@diannedocherty3816]

Charles and Alex never showed up ..yet..let’s see what her tactic is in Arizona.

[@chrissiebabe234]

Like Tammy Daybell‘s sister allegedly stated, after LV had mentioned her victims contacting her: ‚I don’t know, who visited her, but definitely not my sister‘.

[@ClaireBear-77]

Agreed!

[@kiki29073]

That's exactly how she sees everyone else. She still believes all the hooey of her being an exhaulted being. She thinks she's basically an the same level as an angel.

[@cynthiagimbel6590]

Again, it's all about her. Who's visiting HER. HER relationship w Jesus. How HER role as mother was soooo perfect. HER close friend, Tammy. Shaming all of us for throwing stones at HER. Really sickening. My heart aches for the victims having to sit quietly in court during HER self-stroking fantasies

[@sadieluck]

I can't help wondering if Tylee was realizing that eating food from her Mother was making her sick and buying her own food from convenience stores and fast food seemed to not cause digestive issues. It is odd for a teenager to spend their own money on food. Tylee was a smart girl by all accounts and maybe she was suspicious of having illnesses that doctors couldn't figure out. I wonder when her last hospitalization was. I found a story that said her first bout was when she was 6. It would be interesting to know the dates of each one and create a timeline of what was happening when each one happened.

[@hopeful6157]

💯

[@marlayneboblett1267]

Super impressed with your observation. Finding out those things would be very helpful, and something I have not heard considered.

[@sadieluck]

@@marlayneboblett1267 My two teenage girls made every effort to make sure they rarely spent their own money on food. They would buy clothes that were pricey that they knew I wouldn't indulge but food almost never. 🤣

[@emphoenix7238]

My thoughts are that Tylee was using food like a crutch and her mom was obsessed with VANITY and eating alone she didn’t have to hear Lori complaining about her food choices. 🤷‍♀️maybe?

[@sadieluck]

@@emphoenix7238 That is a good point and could very well be.

[@melstiller8561]

Lori Daybell's courtroom performance was as vacuous as she is. It's painfully clear that she's still convinced she did the right thing by killing her children and making sure her #1 rival, Tammy Daybell, was out of the way. Remorse is definitely not part of Lori's salvation plan. This whole thing sickens me to the core.

[@melstiller8561]

@@101GM8 --- Using religion (or her interpretation of it) as an excuse for murder is a very convenient way to escape reality and accountability. She tried very hard to put that message across; but, much like everything else to do with her "post-Chad life" it didn't work: it missed the portal altogether!

[@nadzach]

​@@101GM8I don't think she heard any voices or saw any visions. But she is claiming to have had whatever experiences she believes are evidence of her glory. She believed the stories Chad told, so why don't people believe her, she wonders, when she attributes these abilities to herself. I wonder who is now reinforcing these ideas or how it is that there aren't any moments when she questions the wisdom of her choices and shows sorrow or regret. She thought these actions would elevate her to the top position and here she is at the bottom. As a leader like Jezebel, she would be trampled to death by a horse, drug out in the field and eaten by dogs. (I guess she never read that part)

[@sherielowe4256]

She really believes that her angels will come to the rescue.

[@melstiller8561]

@@sherielowe4256 -- The only visions Lori experienced were visions of grandeur. And the angels she sees, or hopes to see, are vampire bats fluttering around the attic of her dark, delusional mind.

[@sula1529]

​@@melstiller8561she's there feeling sorry for herself and calling Tammy her friend.. talking like a kid again IMO

[@bridgetbradley9880]

She would have told EVERYONE on her podcasts and meetings that she had a near death experience. This is a new lie.

[@breemcbride8988]

106 . That’s how many times I counted Shallow Vallow said the words I , me & my during her impact statement . Ugh it’s so clear her victim impact statement is about herself bc she’s the victim here. I can’t with this murderer.

[@terrylwamsteeker4394]

Nate Eaton said that he spoke to her lawyers and they stated this was not the statement they agreed Lori should read. They were not happy with what she said.

[@crescentmoonchild4031]

I didn’t know that! But I’m not surprised she did what she wanted todo..surprised she didn’t say still believes in Chad.

[@ShelleySorenson]

I didn't know that either. But I am not surprised. What lawyer would want their client to make those remarks?

[@KathleenKryspin]

I want to take a class with Dr. John. I could listen to him all day. So insightful and the literary references are always brilliant! Thank you both! Awesome!

[@m0L3ify]

20:00 Don't forget how she laughed when her boyfriend intentionally an over that cat when they were teenagers. Animal cruelty definitely falls within ASPD.

[@lucybarrington4634]

I’ll never forget that. The minute I heard Megan tell that story I recognized it.

[@Bcbalady]

Notice how many of her sentences begin with "I" and " My". That statement was all about her. A sign of a narcissist.

[@susanmehrlebrun9439]

Absolutely & I’m surprised this hasn’t been dissected & discussed.

[@alexandrapopov634]

106 times according to @breemcbride8988 comment. 106 times for an 8 minutes statement = 13 times per minute. This is the first thing that struck me too.

[@Bcbalady]

@@alexandrapopov634 wow! Unbelievable . Thank you for that information

[@vickymaynard4963]

John, I'm so happy you brought up the busy part...I was exhausted by the end of her statement just listening to how busy everyone was in heaven. I wondered if that was a Mormon thing or a Lori Dumb Bell thing. I hate to think after all the work we do here on Earth that we will then be slaving away in Heaven if we are lucky enough to get there. Thank you both for all the work you put into your channel, it is very much appreciated.

[@A78cts23]

Dumb bell 😂😂😂😂

[@aliclark_33]

This is DEFINITELY a Mormon thing. That’s what we were taught. Everything she says is based upon some piece of that religion, she’s just taken it to the extreme, if that makes sense…

[@vickymaynard4963]

@@aliclark_33 Thank you Aliclark, I'm not familiar with this religion but the few Mormons I do know are some of the nicest, honest people i know so it just baffles the mind!

[@aliclark_33]

@@vickymaynard4963 this whole case has been mind blowing… I was excommunicated from the LDS religion years ago, for being gay (no regrets) I am very happy and very good, but it’s super weird hearing her use doctrines that I was also taught as a child and young adult as justifications for murder. Again, she is taking things to the extreme, but she did not make these things up herself. It’s stunning to me how many Mormons are involved in cases like these. There’s something wrong, I’m sorry… the more I think back, the more convinced I am that this religion is one of the largest cults known to man… do any real research on the man who started it, and see what conclusions you come to… Joseph Smith was a pedophile polygamist. No two ways about it…😫

[@krazyforkale]

@@vickymaynard4963 As with any religion, there are people who live their beliefs, and those who don't. If you have had good encounters with those of the LDS faith, then those members are most likely living the teachings they believe. :). Lori Daybell did not understand the church's beliefs and twisted them to serve her own selfish desires.

[@m0L3ify]

Committing such atrocious crimes and then claiming they never even happened in her statement was either psychosis or audacity. I mean...wow. Just wow.

[@dellittwilson]

She's delusional. Her delusion protects her from the reality of what she has done. She needed to say what she said to combat what all of the victims said.

[@jonoharper4729]

More specifically "delusional narcissism" of the highest degree

[@Zorobbabel]

When she opened her mouth, I said jail her and throw away the key already.

[@stephanied.k.3589]

That. I wonder why the Doctors didn't label her a psychopath?

[@Peaceshiet812]

Yes , I wish she’d enlighten us on how those poor children ended up mutilated and slaughtered in Chads garden if they weren’t murdered.

[@Luv2LuvEm]

I think it’s also interesting that she says that JJ’s life was meaningful and that he “was a wonderful person who touched the lives of everyone” yet all she said about Tylee was that she was sick and in pain, that “her body didn’t work right.” She said nothing about what a great person Tylee was. That coupled with the two totally different ways they treated their bodies after their deaths says a lot to me. She valued JJ way more than she did Tylee. She basically abandoned Tylee when she was just 16 to live at Alex’s house alone. From everything I know now, I don’t believe Lori even liked Tylee. Which is so sad.

[@margaretlumley1648]

I always wanted a daughter ... I would have given Tylee a loving home in a heartbeat. But that would have stopped Lori from profiting from her death. So unutterably sad 😢😢😢😢

[@victoriagrove5344]

At one point in the conversations involving the shooting of Charles Vallow, Tylee stated she got the ball bat to keep in her room for protection while sleeping in her room across from Alex's

[@itscarolinemary]

I’m sure that their relationship was strained as Tylee grew into her teenage years. In the bodycam footage at a police station, Tylee is embarrassed by her mom talking and raising her voice while being interviewed. She tries to stop her mid-sentence by raising her hand. That moment was pretty telling.

[@javanjunkindahouse6625]

@@itscarolinemaryshe was smart and onto her mother, she also ‘joked’ in that police interview that her mom should have a padded cell or something like that. I think her mom didn’t want any of her logical reality and speaking up was not an option. She was a threat to Laurie

[@tiffanycameron195]

I think women like lorri are incapable of actually liking/valuing a woman. She finds them bearable when she use for them and as long as they drink her kool-aid. But in Tylee, in particular I think, was in danger from lorri for her youth and vitality. Lorri is so grossly narcissistic. She couldn't handle it.

[@CamillaC71]

I had to come back to listen again now when Chudsters trial is comin to an end . Forgot about how extraordinary crazy her statement really was . What a nut job !!!

[@Chinch27]

I can only imagine what her lawyers must have been thinking during her speech 🤦‍♀️😱

[@MsRoe7]

They may have it all planned out like John said she may play coo coo

[@sula1529]

I think they supported her fully and they have to being her counsel jmo😮

[@marlayneboblett1267]

​@@sula1529The one counselor praised her as a good person and believed it.

[@kateashby3066]

@@marlayneboblett1267I promise you he didn’t believe it 😂 that’s his job- to advocate for her. He literally gets paid to say how awesome she is

[@ArtfullyMusingLaura]

Wouldn’t her belief that she is some type of divine being be grandiose? And her sitting in judgment, and determine that people are zombies and needing to be destroyed. She has also talked about how no one can understand what she’s been through, and it sounds as if she feels somewhat persecuted.

[@carollynnwhite99]

I agree with the idea that Lori possibly used a substance to contribute to Tylee's illness. I also question the death's of Joe Ryan and her brother Alex. She talked about wanting to kill Joe who had an insurance policy which she got. The timing of Alex 's death, right after Tammy died, and the fact that he told Zulema he felt he was "their fall guy" is suspicious. Cremation makes it difficult for a second autopsy!

[@martijordak806]

She didnt get joes insurance money. Mrs Woodcock did to take care of her grandson. I dont think she got anything from Alexs insurance.

[@sherryjoiner396]

​@@martijordak806 She got Joe Ryan's insurance, but not Charles Vallow's.

[@97Trinity]

Joe's insurance money was 60K only.

[@97Trinity]

@@martijordak806 she did get Joe's insurance it was only 60K she didn't get Charles' that went to Kay, his sister.

[@MaggieMay757]

Not to mention Alex's "can't believe she threw you under the bus" comment to MG...

[@tammyhaywood1650]

Cute pun Dr. John..."Dr. Watson I presume"! I don't even think you caught it when you said it!! Thank you both for your wisdom in this case. Lauren...you are adorable when you gently inform your hubby that "this is where you talk" while you were fixing the echo. You both truly love and respect one another!

[@ENFPerspectives]

I caught that too 😅

[@foxibot]

The best news was to hear you say you saw your brother and he’s doing ok! I’m so glad & very happy for you Lauren!

[@TadiKAT]

We've waited for nearly 4 years for THIS ! TY TY

[@Happyinmontana]

Can't believe it's been that long ago.... So glad punishment has been served

[@norriskp]

OMHeavens - I've been so waiting for this! Dr. John your careful, detailed, methodical, evidence-based dissection is the best around! Lauren you look stunning as always, and your in-depth coverage continues to be exemplary! TY to both of you for all your very hard work & dedication to bring us truthful, unbiased, ethical, professional, intelligent discussions. I have come to feel we're sometimes sitting having dinner together around your dinner table or mine, discussing everything, lol. It's such a pleasure, thank you! I'm only about 20 mins. in but had to pause for a quick comment & to express my appreciation. "No criminal history" Yes Dr. John, actually UNDETECTED criminality; e.g. no KNOWN history! Exactly what I thought when the judge referred to "no history" at sentencing. So much here even with the limited evaluation data released on Lori. I understand with the overlap in Cluster B criterion (and Axis I DSM diagnostics too, for that matter) how challenging it is to definitively determine diagnoses. Her pathology goes waaaay back. She's responsible for much more than is known, I'm certain. Just for starters, multiple poisonings, likely including poor Tylee as she was growing up, as discussed on a previous HTC stream. Re: antisocial personality, I keep thinking especially about her laughing as the driver intentionally hit the cat in that joyride in her TEENS as related by cousin Megan. Makes me shudder, yet so inexplicably fascinating. I would LOVE if someday, all the evaluations could be released to you or you could conduct your own evaluations with her & present your own complete analysis that fills in gaps left by others & the legal proceedings!! All her self-serving, grandiose, heinous lies, beliefs, & actions, so often wrapped in the guise of religious fervor. Whatever her complex configuration of mental illness, she just chills me to the bone. Now I gotta get back to it!

[@annedavis3340]

Legally if he conducted his own he could absolutely not share it. It would be an enormous breach of professional ethics unless she personally signed a release for him to do so to his KZbin channel. I don't think she ever would sign such a thing, and if she did it would be so easy for someone to challenge that she wasn't in enough touch with reality to be knowingly signing that. Basically he can access whatever is released, documents, etc. He can speak with people who knew her and speculate on what things might mean. But he cannot diagnose and if he ever did that would Basically end all content about her. Maybe the defense will call him in to try to get their channel to stop talking about the case 😂 I'm happy with the current kind of stuff. If he did work with her ever the only stuff he could do is speak in highly general phrases using nothing identifiable, obfuscating everything necessary to identify (so if someone stabbed their neice it would be a cousin or something) to disguise her specific case amongst the many many patients he's had. Way less interesting than this, and it might still cost him real work, since his profession is doing these interviews. I liked the rest of your comment very much. But this seemed like worth saying, have a great day😊

[@norriskp]

@@annedavis3340 Your point is well made, thank you, and I agree.

[@annedavis3340]

@@norriskp thank you 😊 I really did love your comment btw

[@norriskp]

@@annedavis3340 TY & ditto :}

[@tommiegnosis]

OMG THANK YOU!!! I was so stuck on her saying "busy" so much...like wth was that about! No other analyist said anything about it but it drove me crazy. It was so weird to me. I appreciate someone finally bringing it up!

[@emiliadavis8247]

tommiegnosis the Mormons think we have to be busy working in ministries to go to Heaven. Is why Lori said that about being busy in heaven now.

[@kateashby3066]

Yup, it’s a Mormon thing. Always of service to the lord blah blah blah

[@susieannei5641]

On the issue of Killer Mom having true psychosis I go to a couple of tells. In her “allocution” she says “nobody was murdered…there was suicide, medication side affects, reaction to medications”, no reference to zombies. Had she truly believed she was “releasing” these poor inflicted people of being zombies wouldn’t she say it? She also LIES about having a near death experience, which in this cult gives the person who experiences such an event authority to see “beyond the veil”. But the most powerful testimony to me was from her former friend Audrey who said Killer Mom told her she was gullible (to believe all the bunk she was being fed) and even though it’s messy and bloody Lori COULD make herself of the mindset to kill her and chop her up. There are so many instances of both Killers Mom and Stepdad not believing what they were able to convince their followers to believe.

[@Woodman-Spare-that-tree]

Elocution not “allocution”.

[@diannedocherty3816]

I wonder if in the Charles Vallow case they will uncover evidence of Tylees pain. Poison or hospital visits etc.

[@tamaraperras9853]

Such an interesting review, Thank you. Alex Cox missing from her statement was so revealing. Appreciate you both!

[@QueenMabx]

good point

[@sula1529]

I wonder has he a PD , he found it easy to do what he did?

[@karenbaldry8096]

That’s the first thing that I thought when she said the kids told her not to worry, you haven’t done anything wrong. Proves to me she knew full well that killing her kids was wrong.

[@riatiley8549]

I think she has been telling herself this story so long that she has convinced herself that it was OK. Truly evil and demented.

[@anncarr6510]

You both are terrific reporters. Dr. John is wonderful to give his impression of LDB’s mental disorders. Thank you!

[@marlenemeyer9841]

I love how you both cover things. I appreciate your professionalism and lack of drama while you share information and your opinions. Thank you!

[@music-nr3yn]

I think I must be too dramatic because I wanted to barf. The excuses & explanations for this egotistical, evil being made me sick.

[@sherriwise7374]

My brother was a bonafide diagnosed narcissist but he had a really good sense of humor. That was part of his charm.

[@gtaylor6937]

I've known a covert narcissist too, who had an amazing sense of humor. With him as well, it was a big part of his charm and he used it.

[@NewMe-iq5os]

That is the most dangerous kind of narcissist. They are so covert. Life of the party and everyone loves them, EXCEPT their spouse and kids see them with their mask off. When you leave this type of narcissist (if married or even just a family member) everyone will think you’re crazy because they thought he/she was “the nicest guy/gal who’d do anything for them”. And they’ve been triangulating with about their spouse for years so everybody believes the non narcissistic person is crazy.

[@sharonlcantrell]

Watching the replay.

[@TalLeGal]

@@NewMe-iq5osYou just described my ex to a “T”.

[@NewMe-iq5os]

@@TalLeGal I’m sorry you encountered one. But glad he is an ex. Hope your healing is going well because they do so much damage to their unsuspecting spouses.

[@katiekat909]

I think you are missing a trick here. Lori is a master manipulator . This not about her saying she is a great mom or being deluded. It's sticking it to Kay and Larry and the Daybell family. What is the most awful hurtful thing she can say to both families? The victims have forgiven me, so its all good (hey kay i still want my million dollars), and Tammy and I are now friends. How hurtful and painful that was for Tammys family members to hear? You notice the "tears" stop instantly as she moves from one story to another. She also did not mention Alex, the actual murderer. Why because she is keeping our attention on her and how the victims asked to die so are not victims anymore and she's a good mom! If she mentions Alex , we are back to murder.

[@lorawalker5259]

I agree, in that her message was definitely intended to be hurtful to Kay and the Daybell family. Dr. John and Lauren didn't miss it. There were just so many angles and meanings to her statement, and limited time during the podcast. They couldn't cover all of them. But for sure, her statement was pure evil and hurtful and well thought out by her. Not mentally ill.

[@NewMe-iq5os]

And why has Lori, Summer or Adam mentioned Alex in their interviews? Alex would fly to other countries to have sex? Red flag right there. But Adam just says he was funny.

[@gsmith6026]

@@NewMe-iq5osFunny “ha ha” or funny “coo coo”?

[@annedavis3340]

​​@@gsmith6026he was a comedian. Like gigs at multiple places. I think the more common interpretation is most likely the one he meant. You don't have to like Alex, I sure don't. But the survivors are grieving many many people and twisting their words isn't a great thing to do. Edit Added additional detail

[@annedavis3340]

I completely agree OP

[@Susan.Pritchard]

This is a milestone that, at times, I had little faith would come to pass. The journey- was a side effect of pursuing “why?”. We came, we sympathized, we eyerolled, we mocked, we found inspiration, we analyzed, we learned, we nearly melted from anger, we wept with immense sadness, we reflected, we learned more, we analyzed again, we laughed, we bonded, we grew, we walked in tandem step to this place, we agonized, we cried, we celebrated. Now, we push forward for Tylee, J.J., Tammy, Charles, Joe and Brandon… Thank you for mining each of us Lauren and Dr. Babe.

[@janetmosier9182]

And please don't forget Joe.

[@CLE-EA]

How does she believe the delusions to be true while also knowing she is lying about some things like saying Tammy was her friend knowing good and well that she did not know Tammy? When she said Alex can’t do anything right when he didn’t properly shoot Tammy? Like asking MG to lie and say JJ was with her knowing he wasn’t? Does she feel justified in lying for her bigger cause? Who does she expect to believe her?

[@cynthiagimbel6590]

Yikes. Her repeated claims that Tammy was a beloved friend were just bizarre and so creepy when we all know they had no relationship. Pure gaslighting from an experienced gaslighter. I expect she'll have lots of work ahead of her on the other side. Lol. Makes me almost sorry she didn't get the death penalty so she could enter soul-rehab sooner!

[@Skyesoceaneyes]

Her delusions include communication with Tammy in the spirit realm. She probably thought she was communicating with Tammy before the "zombie" that took over Tammy's body was killed. Her relationship with Tammy is one of the delusions. If you believe she really believes it all.

[@margaretlumley1648]

Good questions ❤

[@cynthiagimbel6590]

U illustrate so well how complex and confusing she is. Dr. John and other professionals all seem to b landing on a hash/ grab-bag of disorders which all seem so relevant. Humans r complex and she's a real doozy! As much as the analytical me wants concrete answers, the real me accepts Lori Vallow is FUBAR. FUBAR plus murder equals life imprisonment. And I'm so thankful the jury ruled against her. Heartbreaking that LE cannot rule proactively to prevent these monsters from committing their harms but "Minority Report" is a fiction and so far we can only judge, fairly, in retrospect. Still, these analyses r valuable in teaching us when to RUN, if we'll listen

[@kateashby3066]

I don’t think you understand what a delusion is. It means to believe “x” when “y” proves that x is not believable. It means you believe in something non-sensical. Something backwards, clearly false. If I tell you “wow that red sky is looking so awesome today” and you look up and see a blue sky with white clouds, you’re going to think “wow she’s delusional!”. Making sense? So that’s why she can believe that JJ died from a medication overdose (or whatever), meanwhile he was found with a bag over his head and duct tape- clearly murdered, and she clearly knew about it. With that being said, she’s got signs of anti-social personality disorder so she could be manipulating too. Either way she’s delusional. It’s just a different type of delusion when it’s embedded into your personality.

[@kathiewhite443]

Excellent coverage all the way! Watching Lauren identify the pings was amazingly sad, but enlightening!

[@Kathie4]

Hey, I like your name 😉

[@breemcbride8988]

That’s interesting when she said she was only person in the whole world who knew Tylee’s suffering. But wouldn’t Tylee know her own suffering more than her mom?! 🤦‍♀️

[@Findingtruth569]

It makes her look good to admit she kept this illness away from everyone for Tyler’s sake, which you know if it were true she would use Tyler’s illness to her advantage to look like a martyr to gain sympathy from her victims.

[@bethbeaudoin6374]

Tylee suffered because of her mother! And, her mother called her dark and abandoned her for months to chase around with Chad and company.

[@breemcbride8988]

Did Tylee even suffer from pancreatic issues?! I don’t recall ever even hearing about that from everything we know? And we know A LOT about this case. I don’t recall ever even hearing that? It reminds me of my own childhood illness, everyone that I know knew about it and can tell you random stories about it, I guess regardless does it matter if Tylee suffered the way her “monster” said she did? Even if she did hold her hair back and feel her immense suffering, she still piggy backed upon her death like it was a happy and joyous occasion bc heaven is so much better than earth, and apparently everyone in heaven is BUSY, I get Jesus and religion but Lori made that decision on where Tylee was to go, heaven is better bc Tylee was in pain and abused , it is wild to hear her impact statement and to only solidify why she did what she did, this case is absolutely one of my top ten most disturbing cases I’ve ever followed. It makes me mind blown that she doesn’t feel remorse? Do you think she will someday wake up and feel remorse or will she continue with this busy happy place that Tylee and JJ deserve? I would love love love to ask Dr John that question!

[@123marlanamars]

@@breemcbride8988 I think it all depends on Chad Daybell and how his case turns out. His lawyer was there during her court proceedings. It is going to be very interesting if he throws her straight under the bus, divorces her, and walks out a free man. If by some chance this happens, I believe we will see a different Lori.

[@kimstout6419]

@breemcbride8988 How do you figure even throwing her under the bus and divorcing her he would walk out a free man?! 😂😂

[@Su_aSponte]

Better late than never! I have been needing to hear what you two have to say about this! Love you both❤

[@peonypink9149]

Listening to LD’s statement makes me so angry. Her children didn’t die ‘accidentally’. I hope soon she experiences the ultimate distress of it sinking in that she’s murdered the people around her over and over. She has decades stretching out before her- even though it’s likely she’ll keep her delusions in tact until Chad throws her under the bus………. I think it’s disgraceful that the victim impact statements were censored and the defense had the temerity to object to them while LD gets to lie in her statement to the court ………

[@karencollins2661]

Narcissists are exactly like that. They refuse to admit to any wrong doing. Been going through this with my ex son In law.

[@crazy4nuno]

I also think about all the stress that Lori inflicted on Tylee during the custody battle with Joe Ryan. Stress can have a terrible impact on the body as well as the mind and the spirit.

[@dellittwilson]

I was surprised at how fascinating people find Lori's use of the word busy when describing her departed family. This is typical in my family and community here in Utah. It gives my mother comfort to talk about my grandmother as busy in the next life or heaven and when she talks about dying she says that she will be busy in heaven. It's not a negative thing or abnormal nor even abusive as the conversation regarding Chad Daybell seemed to indicate (the way he infringed on her visits with people who came to the home and that keeping her busy was a controlling thing). Although "Put Your Shoulder to the Wheel" doesn't sound like a funeral song to me it is common to play a favorite hymn at someone's funeral and so you might play one that isn't thought of usually for funerals. Put Your Shoulder to the Wheel is commonly sung in Mormon churches and it isn't supposed to be negative or about keeping someone busy in a negative way. It means that you help. If someone's wagon got stuck, you'd put your shoulder to the wheel to help get it out of the mud. In the next life, a departed soul that has lived a good live would be helping others who have departed or those still here in this life.

[@normarojo5834]

Well people say Mother of God pray for us sinners now and in the hour of death. To say your children at busy after being murder and the mother is clean as a whistle of their demise is something else.

[@Who-Dunnit]

People find it fascinating because most religions believe in eternal rest, not eternal work....no matter how cheerfully the ghost of a good person apparently enjoys that eternal work.

[@westieweardogkilts9715]

I don't know that Lori wants to be loved, I think she feels above that but I DO think she wants to be ADORED. Her cousin said she always wanted to be seen as special and above the others. She challenged anyone who pointed out how ordinary she was. She hated that. You really have to wonder what happened in her household when she was young.

[@bluewingedchaoscat]

From what I understood is that there was over 600 pages of the psychiatric report on Lori, but only about 21 were used for reference in trial. And that she didn't exactly cooperate with examinations. So it's not that unthinkable it's hard or impossible to get to a thorough diagnoses.

[@annedavis3340]

If they indeed didn't speak to Colby they left at least one helpful information source untouched.

[@judywalkup6297]

JJ’s death was definitely not a suicide, or an accidental or a reaction to medication.

[@sherielowe4256]

I speculate that JJ was the accident, Tylee was the overdose, Tammy was the suiside. In Lori's reality that is.

[@amydaniels6442]

@@sherielowe4256I suspect she meant JJ was the accident, Tylee was the suicide, and Tammy was medication side effects.

[@cynthiagimbel6590]

Accidental/suicidal/medication STRANGULATION...absurd!

[@kathleenmorrison8450]

​@@sherielowe4256except that JJ and Tylee didn't mutilate and burn their own bodies and bury themselves in a pet cemetery.

[@kateashby3066]

@@sherielowe4256Tammy was ruled de@th by choking so that doesn’t jive with sui cide. Tammy= accidental, JJ (on lots of meds!) was likely the overdose, and Tylee the sui- cide because she was an angsty teen. Of course it’s all B S.

[@doragreen3887]

How sick… she wants love and her kids loved her unconditionally, yet she murdered them.

[@kateashby3066]

She wants adoration. Narcissists don’t feel love. And her kids didn’t adore her. Tylee was an angsty teenager and JJ was JJ. They stopped supplying her narc “supply” and so she found someone who would.

[@beckyhiggins3144]

Really helpful information. John your discussion of personality disorders was really understandable and helpful. There is a lot to learn from discussing this case. Thank you both ❤

[@cookie_dough_hangover]

Lori decides who lives and who dies. Lori decides who goes to Heaven. It's mind-blowing.

[@thanksformutton1037]

1:40:34 I noticed the busy theme too, and I was like, “I have to work in the afterlife, too?”

[@bettina868]

I really enjoy Dr. John’s literary references and analogies. Thanks so much for that! If you love “Waiting for Godot” I hope you get a chance to see “Pass Over” by Antoinette Nwandu. 💕

[@Kathie4]

I still remember reading (& loving) "Waiting for Godot", so I should probably check out your recommendation! 😊

[@music-nr3yn]

I would be so disheartened to learn Samuel Beckett appreciated the analogy.

[@jenconleyADHD]

Replay crew. Thank you for touching on the “busy” comments. That was so puzzling.

[@kenyonbissett3512]

Lori was raised and given the values of “anti society” by her father whom she was close to. She simulated s$x acts with her brother in front of her father for dad’s applause and enjoyment. Dad’s political view would have been considered unusual and he served time for those beliefs put into action. Yet her father was still financially successful. She learned very manipulative feminine behaviors in her family setting. I believe the sisters death was committed by her immediate family and set the tone for the death of inconvenient people in her life if they did not step away gracefully and allow her what she wanted. I believe she conspired to murder Tylee’s father, Charles Vallow, Tammy Daybell, her brother and her 2 minor children. She was a murderer long before Tammy and her 2 children.

[@MarthaChristie-b1g]

I am sorry I missed the live, I am in Canada and 3 hours ahead. I am so glad Dr. John is explaining the mental health assessment. It is so helpful. It will be interesting to see what Chad's defense will be. He seemed to be fueling the whole thing.

[@CrazyGreeneyedCraftylady]

In canada too, hard to catch the live

[@Mudpuppy9722]

You guys are such a wonderful team. I really enjoy your interactions, insights, and perspectives. Thank you for creating such insightful content! You guys rock!

[@olgatrilogymartin3143]

Agreed❤

[@terryefosheehawkins1341]

Thank you for mentioning the "busy" topic. I was wondering if it was of a religious foundation or not. She not only said it repeatedly, but emphasized it to the point where I was wondering why it was important for her to have done so. Busy. Extremely busy... Most of the time when someone passes people say that they are at peace.

[@clc7763]

Yeah she said it enough to notice, and I thought what's up with that

[@sherielowe4256]

Is it a Mormon value to be so so busy?

[@annedavis3340]

I don't know, is that a Mormon thing? It's certainly not emphasized in my own experience of Christianity

[@TCAficionado]

​@@sherielowe4256 Busy, Yes.

[@forgivemore4488]

Lds belief

[@PanicattheDiscourse]

What I find hard to square with delusions is that she's super aware of what she can't say or has to say to escape accountability in the World. She's convicted in her religiousity but also speaking in code so she's not getting busted. I also don't believe she just started in 2017. She might have backslid but she was on husband 4 and the third blended family by then.

[@katherineharvey3669]

She never mentioned zombies so that proves she did not believe that bull crap. Like you say you cannot diagnosis her be on anything but her bull crap she spews out of her evil mouth

[@dianealarcon8304]

Her delusions are regarding her children, this is the only way she can remove herself from what she did to her daughter and son. Otherwise, she would go into a catatonic state, and an exalted being is above that. She is a user, abuser, she is malicious and cunning, and she is very aware of what goes on around her. Her statement was very scripted, and shows that she was competent during trial by referring to how No One can Judge her, and implying that she didn’t murder anyone, because accidents, suicide, and accidental overdoses can happen. This is going to be Chad’s defense, she spilled the beans. Now the Prosecutors know what BS is going to be thrown their way.

[@cygnelle1232]

Wait, what?! Unconvicted / uncharged crimes can't count in a risk assessment?! Those are the people who pose the biggest risks because they've been flying under the radar of the justice system. Ask any cult or IPV survivor. How is that not relevant in a risk assessment?

[@jeannemarie5908]

I had this very same thought.

[@A78cts23]

I think he was saying you can't add it to the risk assessment if it's unknown not uncharged

[@interesante80]

That was exactly my thought. Risk should be assessed from patterned behavior, not from a lack of transparent action or incompetent law enforcement.

[@attorneycarissa]

Your final wishes for tammy daybell to finally relax and rest and NOT be busy brought tears to my eyes. That was beautiful. ❤❤❤

[@salem1281]

So if she does not have schizoaffective, and did not hallucinate her murder victims visiting her, does that mean she's knowingly lying? If she isn't hallucinating, she would know that she hasn't seen any spirits, right? Also, she's basically saying that she had to "come back" to fulfill her promise to murder her children and Tammy, which is so bizarre and disturbing.

[@angelapepple9901]

Well my opinion is she is a total liar.... She knows how and why they were all killed, and it wasn't the reasons she mentioned... I believe she wants everyone to think she had these experiences..... or she wants people to think that she thinks she had them... Either way she knows what they did and the reasons why... Murder for money!

[@CrazyGreeneyedCraftylady]

Shes playing this like a fiddle

[@centralfloridamommies897]

After Loris first line the judge looks mindblown then starts writing very quickly. I wonder what he was writing..

[@doreen729]

Lauren and Dr. John - You are such a great team. You truly complement one another. Keep up the amazing work. I so look forward to every one of your podcasts!

[@jenniemontanafashion]

Lori Daybell found a way to live out a fantasy life where she was her own god, in a made up land. Not unlike Tom Cruise or other celebrities who live in fantasy land. It’s a great gig when you commit to the belief you are above it all, beyond it all. Problem is, reality catches up eventually. She’s a murderer, narcissist, sociopath. Needs to be in jail for life. Society did it’s job.

[@music-nr3yn]

I think her cousin, Megan Conner, has had the woman figured out from the get-go. I don't think anyone could anticipate the depths of evil but I think Megan, though desperately saddened, is not all that surprised.

[@shariboyle1166]

I agree. Megan is very perceptive regarding Lori, the cult and the crazy family! She is the only normal one, IMO !

[@heatherhammersmith8997]

The one thing that caught my attention was in the telling of the NDE. I don't think I've ever heard somebody say that they agreed to go back or that they had any agency whatsoever in the decision to go back to life - nearly all accounts I've heard said they came bac against their will. I thought that was weird and that it might be an indication of her belief in having goddess-like autonomy, claiming that the decision to stay in heaven or return to earth was hers.

[@BostonSarah]

AWESOME EPISODE!!! Been dying to here Dr. John's perspective. Been with you guys since Beyond the Veil started, and looking back, Dr. John has been spot on about Lori this entire time. Love and so appreciate his insight and perspective. Great episode! Thanks!!! ❤

[@roxannemaguire9844]

Thank you both so much, Lauren and Dr. John. This has been a most interesting discussion, and for me, has shed a lot of light on LVD's comments. I now feel something almost akin to a sense of "closure", for lack of a better word. So much appreciated ♥️

[@maddybertani8161]

I'm fascinated to hear Dr Babe's thoughts on this!! Love to you both from the UK ❤

[@shaynaletter5589]

This is what I've been waiting for, and looking forward to. By the way, the technical difficulties experienced doesn't deter me, other viewers, and loyal fans in your audience. You two are quite a team, the best combo on the youtube menu! Thanks for your dedication, and hard work.💙💛👍🏼😊 14:07

[@Jerry-tk7hn]

I agree the complainers are just that complainers.

[@lizpongratz9466]

When I watched the live of Lori reading her statement; my initial reaction was that she had given thought to what "her" heaven would be like and that being busy would be so much better than what her last 1000+ days have been. I guess rolling your hair on TP tubes and/or braiding it doesn't take up much of your day.

[@eugeneandcarriebartoszek1244]

I personally find this fascinating. It was suspected that my grandmother was schizophrenic but was never diagnosed because she would not submit to evaluation. She was delusional and could be violent with some family members whom she felt threatened by but never with me. I was never afraid to be with her. She was very loving to my children and did many loving things for her family.

[@cammyt9030]

When Lori kept saying every body is busy it was very strange but I found it even more strange and odd when Lori said "JJ is very tall" what?!? With that sentence I knew her mind was long gone and it's never coming back. The judge did a great job, justice served.

[@aliclark_33]

Mormons believe that after you die your “spirit” goes to a temporary holding place until Jesus comes back to Earth and you’re resurrected into your “perfect human state” for the rest of Eternity. For example, if someone is born with any kind of disability, mental, physical, whatever, when they are resurrected, they will be made perfect. So, she’s talking about JJ, Tylee and Tammy like she did them all a favour and relieved them of the challenges they’d all supposedly had here on Earth. They’re in Heaven, in perfect spirit form, (or what we’d consider the prime age of their lives - this is why JJ is tall now), just waiting for the second coming of Christ. She’s saying they’re busy, and what she means is they’re busy doing missionary work AKA trying to convert other spirits to Mormonism. Let me explain… You’ve heard about the baptisms they do for the dead, in the temples, right? Well, the Spirits who are in Heaven, who were Mormon before they died, are supposedly up there doing the work it takes to convince those who died and were not Mormon to accept the ordinances that are being performed here in the temples by the current Mormons. This is because they believe that ALL people in the history of the world should have the opportunity to hear the LDS version of word of Christ and be converted to Mormonism. (Only the Mormons have all of the truth - so they say) Those who do not accept the Mormon word of god will be destroyed when Jesus returns, hence the urgency and the reason JJ, Tylee and Tammy are being described as so busy. Lori is stating actual Mormon teachings… not making it up. She has taken all of this to the extreme - they do not tell people to murder others, but she IS using the Mormon teachings to justify her actions. We all know the story of Nephi, a so called ancient prophet in the Book of Mormon who committed murder, for a “good reason.” She thinks she is special, like him.

[@Mama_PJAC]

Interesting information!

[@Woodman-Spare-that-tree]

“Busy” is an LDS thing. It means actively working for God.

[@Papa_Gramma]

Missed this one. We all need a Dr John in our lives.

[@madzabinga8382]

Great analysis. I had to listen to Lori's statement several times in order to really process the message she was trying to convey. I learn so much from hearing your perspectives and insight, and appreciate your various point of view.

[@helenjohnson7583]

This was really insightful and helpful to listen to. There’s always more to the story.

[@tammy8984]

Why don't you guys do this in the same room? I've learned so much watching and enjoy your rapport 🌼

[@nataliecassidy4298]

LAUREN so glad to hear that your brother is doing better. Glad to see you back .will still be praying for your brother complete healing in the the name of Jesus. Love to you and John and your entire family. From AKRON, OHIO ❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊

[@pamelabennetch5000]

Even if you believe the things she says she believes, you have to know that if you live in this world, there are consequences to murder and conspiracy to commit murder. Believing in the weird stuff is not an excuse to murder. A lot of ppl who uphold the laws believe in weirdness.

[@JoAnnaDuBose]

Excellent point

[@JoAnnaDuBose]

But now on second thought, maybe she believed she wasn’t killing her kids but a zombie? But killing humans and zombies is still murder right? Lol

[@nadzach]

She seems to believe in all the religious ideas, but I still don't think she heard from spirits or saw Jesus. I think those stories are all lies. But maybe over time she come to believe her own lies.

[@InternationalMysteries360]

I said the same about the “busy.” Waiting for Godot comparison was brilliant.

[@mk1604]

I’ve read dozens of accounts on out of body experiences and NEVER have I read of someone’s spirit dropping to the floor! If I was her I would be seriously worried that my spirit\soul was heading to Hell at that point. I don’t believe she had an NDE.

[@annedavis3340]

I mean, I have heard of that. And I don't believe in them. So I don't think she had one. I can well believe she *disassociated* like everyone else though, it doesn't give her her own exclusive access to Jesus nor the spirit world though 🤷‍♀️🎉

[@Pamsmith59]

I've read hundreds, if not thousands and feel the same as you.

[@curlyKTJLuvsWatermelon]

Also, when I nearly died when my daughter was 17, I fought like heck…with extensive help from first life support and extensive icu dr care…to get back to her. The only thing I remember from when I started coming out of the coma was the need to be able to open my eyes and see my daughter. Again when she was 19 and an attack of repeated seizures had me aware as I slid from regaining consciousness between fits to where I could hear them discussing my GCS but couldn’t move or open my eyes or react, I heard them say ‘her GCS has slipped to 3’…and all I could think about was my daughter and not leaving her. Again I fought back with the excellent care of the Scottish NHS icu drs though my liver had suffered shock and for 4 days after I regained consciousness my liver stopped working, and I got steadily sicker…but I was quietly ‘begging’ my liver to sort itself out. After this four days, when my liver snapped back on again, and all the damage healed in six weeks. I did everything I could to support my liver because my daughter still needed me. This woman is so delusional that I think most of us cannot wrap our heads around a statement like the one she gave. I think she was allowed to ramble on with this strange statement..by the defence team, as a hope to get her declared insane’

[@herewego1115]

I have been waiting for this. Thank you both.

[@soulfaring3285]

Ya know that relief feeling Dexter talks about having after a kill? Well that's exactly how I felt when someone FINALLY pointed out how important being busy seems to be to Lori. I thought I was crazy because I haven't heard anyone else mention it! Such a relief to know I'm not alone.😅

[@annaviberg937]

Thank you I thought I was the only one who thought about that. She really emphasize the point of them being busy. That was just so weird to me.

[@debbieblair3329]

Another fantastic episode! Always enjoy listening and learning from both of you.

[@janetmosier9182]

I have no doubt that Lori's ridiculous attitude is all part of a strategy..IMO She knows exactly what she's doing.

[@cindyranelli7590]

Agree. I don't buy her delusional act for a second

[@kateashby3066]

@@cindyranelli7590a person can be both manipulative and delusional. Especially if they have NPD and a delusion disorder. That doesn’t excuse what she did tho. She chooses to be a bad person. Tons of people have delusions and aren’t evil.

[@nikki_kuds]

John I am so glad you brought the busy thing up it was so interesting!! Loved the show😊

[@susanmiller6023]

When she said that JJ was an adult and everyone was happy and working. My blood started boiling and I near blew my head off when she said Tammy 'her friend'. I hope that she is haunted by spirits in her cell, for the rest of her life. I would love to hear what Janice Cox feels.

[@hollyhinman9818]

Thank you for putting so much heart and soul into your work here, Lauren and Dr. John. Fan since Mardaugh mess.

[@donnabaerg3698]

She mentions meeting all her deceased family members in the spirit world including her kids. I wonder why she didn't mention Alex.

[@Pamsmith59]

GREAT point.

[@ShelleySorenson]

Apparently Alex can only be reached in heaven by texting. Lori has no cell phone. (Per conversation that Chad had with Lori when she was in jail, but he was not yet in jail.)

[@happybergner9832]

Thank you Lauren and Dr John

[@music-nr3yn]

I think the woman (I cannot bear using her name) was likely present for her children's murders. I think she was the director &, given time, would have used the murders to further her delusion of grandeur. I think her new husband is a complete dupe which does not absolve him whatsoever. All the explanations of her personality fall flat with me. She is what she is.

[@alexandrapopov634]

Many thanks Lauren and John, this live was great! Is there accessible books on delusionnal personality disorder? I would be very interrested to know more about this question. A special episode or a book club around this disorder and the question of delusion would be great.

[@deannag48]

Ahhh I love when you guys are able to be on together 🩵 So appreciate all you do to keep us informed 🩵 Love you guys 🩵 God bless each of you 🙏🩵

[@janestrode3299]

I love you 2. Thank you for your deep diving opinions. It helps us understand things more clearly

[@anaceliacasorso9890]

Great analysis Dr. John! Thank you 🙏

[@launderedcotton8070]

It's called "Eternal REST" for a reason!

[@janicegreene3599]

Couldn’t wait for this video! Never disappoints! ❤️

[@sarkahalastova9667]

Great point about using children as props to show her own greatness. When Kay spoke about Lori sleeping on newborn JJ’s hospital floor it rubbed me wrong way. Is it just me or was it a somewhat disproportionate reaction. JJ was not a n immediate family and he had people who loved him dearly and were ready to meet all his needs. Kay broke my heart talking about new purpose and love that JJ brought to their lives as a couple. Yet here is Lori abandoning her own sickly daughter to sleep on the floor next to the baby cot, being the amazing person who throws herself at a child in need.

[@Lollipop_Lexi]

I agree. I think it also shows she may be a candidate for munchausens by proxy- not with JJ but the need to be important, be seen as the selfless carer and get attention and sympathy. I also think it was a disproportionate response for a child that wasn’t hers.

[@yankeecitygirl]

She wanted to adopt JJ in ooder to get his disability money and the caregiver money

[@karenhall6762]

Been waiting for Dr. John thank you, you both never disappoint!👌

[@leela4051]

Thank you very much for another insightful episode! Always love and appreciate your analysis, Dr. John and Lauren 💙