Dr John Mangudya, Governor, Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe In Conversation With Trevor.

In this week's episode, Trevor sits down with Dr John Mangudya, Governor, Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe. They discuss the Governor's terms of office - gains and losses, transition from the multi currency system to a local currency system, the Dutch auction system and many more.
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[@prechardmhako8336]

Rest in Peace Doug Munatsa. Thank you Trevor for immortalizing Doug. Some of us only got an opportunity to know him a little through your show.

[@donaldchetse4849]

I like Trevors questions they relate to the struggles of people everyday in simple terms thank you for representing us Trevor!!

[@mcdee2003]

Trevor thank you for these conversations, they are an enlightenment. Use to hate everything and everyone in the government but I am starting to see that behind the usual suspects are good men who really want this country to go forward and it gives me hope that once the few bad apples that are left are gone, Zimbabwe will be great again, Governor you have earned my respect, keep up the good work we know the circumstances you are working in are tough but keep fighting for us, thank you.

[@terrencechipembere4240]

MR TREVOR you're a blessing to our nation... we're now expecting Nelson Chamisa on the Convention.

[@tawandamakaure3509]

Trevor is well balanced and level headed. I like the way he always thinks before he talks. He is considerate and respectful. To all the people close to him, my advice is be like sponges - suck in, learn as much as you can. Because of these conversations, we are also blessed to eat from his palms. Dr. Governor is also inspirational - a true gentleman. Imagine with all the pressure on his back, he still walks sane.

[@fortu2479]

This Governor is a mirror reflection of me shifting a manual gear stick for the first time at 15. I was all over the show.

[@foxbat473]

Tibvire apa ahufi wakaita mota

[@prospermunjeri1250]

@@foxbat473 musatukane

[@oliverchipoyera]

Really can you share the experience

[@TheChachona]

Zimbabwe is no. 1 in the world for the most miserable economy by economists. Is that by design or the governor?

[@foxbat473]

@@TheChachona You probably not so well travelled based on your comment I have been to several West African countries including Nigeria. after that experience I thanked the almighty for being a Zimbabwean.

[@allenmatanga6728]

Productivity .....change the culture to build a culture of hardworking, production, not short-termism... well said

[@foxbat473]

Well hapana substitute ye hardwork baba and it takes time for anyone to realise the fruits of their labour

[@takundafloidebashukwa4977]

Matanga uripano

[@tondekushanda1067]

The courage to act wrong - is all i got from this conversation. Well done to Trevor for questioning the same way a street average person wld have done. The answers though, some arrogant moments where one believes Zimbabweans are hungry for no reason

[@mavhumashukushe6706]

Thanks Trevor for the show. The Governor alluded to the fact that the drive towards buying forex is imports and store of wealth or value. So in order to address these 2 issues, there is need to stabilize the local currency and import substitution etc. I think there is great works in that regard, depending on who you talk to. However, my issue is around store of wealth and how it can be addressed. The RBZ should introduce gold coins, measured in ounces. People should be able to buy these coins using ecocash, at local banks using local currency, forex etc. This will enable people to store real value. and our true worth as a nation will be measured by the increase in gold coins per annum.

[@daddyteddy85]

Unopenga the world moved from the gold standard in the 70s during Regan and Thatcher🤣🤣...NO Government cant "afford" to have a currency they cant manipulate

[@anotidaishejziramba3870]

Well i think the gold standard as you have expalined there needs a not only one economy to participate, but its a universal system that relys on the common understanding and agreement on the one true currency that will be backed by gold for it to work properly.

[@TheChachona]

You can do this brother if you the right paper talk to a lawyer or visit RBZ?

[@blessedchimbgha1622]

Looking forward to your interview with Dr Mushayavanhu. Let’s unpack his blueprint and lets support him as Zimbabwean

[@workingwithsnakes.2143]

May Doug's soul rest in peace,I enjoyed the interview of the Governor,he knows his story ,it is the articulate side ,I realized the results of Bantu education in the way he conveys his message,your background follows right up to the grave hey..I relate.

[@tadiousjavangwe4610]

Thanks Trevor, it's clear nothing transitionary there just some pompous individuals not admitting that we failed 😢

[@foxbat473]

What are you saying? Are you saying we have failed with 75 % of locally produced goods in our shops as opposed to zero a few years ago?

[@foxbat473]

Wakadzidza kupi?

[@chidhakwasvosve1121]

Very true, the guy is a failure, a big one, how come he's talking of production which a few are paid, farmers are struggling everyday ... He must make sure that both producers and consumers are happy....

[@washingtonrupapa2549]

Thank you Trevor for your positive attitude and persistent logic to issues in Zimbabwe. We need solutions.

[@tafarakasparovmhangami2356]

His answer to why civil servants were paid in USD, is completely enigmatic. It just manifests that the perplexities of the status quo are beyond his comprehension. A bonkers response, absolutely preposterous! When someone of his calibre gives such a paradoxical answer, it shows self-denial and egoism. Masquerading with his ostensible celestial economics, what kind of an antidote is that? He just reiterated Trevors point, lol. Contemporarily, it's improbable to proselytize the people to adopt a woeful currency in retrospect, ghastly in the present, and a phantom in the future. He has failed; he should retire and play snooker with us! But at the end of the day, his answers might just be political. After he is toppled, that's when you realise he is omniscient. He will be giving ingenious and quick-witted answers, not this balderdash, gobbledygook!

[@oliverchipoyera]

Ummm your language is too too strong Can you please simplyfy for me

[@waltermakwasha]

Mudhara Trevor you are a star i think if we had people like you in our government we should be somewhere as a nation ,but i guess you cant be mixed with this batch of our politicians munooreswa. We will need you as our advisor after August 2023 takugadzirisa nyika.

[@tawanasquad8650]

The President has had impact on the Governor I could hear the voice of the President through the Governor

[@nicoltinashetapfumaneyi2930]

Thank you Trevor for raising these pertinent questions, which indeed require important clarifications from the Governor.

[@digbymeacher6415]

Except we didn't get answers. More of passing the buck

[@sky-ridehotelsky9899]

A superb interview Trevor, it takes a good listener to enjoy such conversations. Well done Trevor

[@bekithembandebele8270]

Dr Mangudya...is he an Economist or a Politician, he is all over everything!!!!!! Thanx Trevor, you have a way of "Undressing the Emperor".

[@kossammusundire5194]

I am looking forward to this one Mr Trevor Ncube thank you . We need to hear his side of the story.

[@tatendaruswa3518]

Aww Doug, what an exceptional individual, and very inspiring. I really loved and enjoyed him being In Conversation with Trevor. Thank you and Rest in His Love.

[@henrynemaire8761]

Governor Dr. JP Mangudya is greatly appreciated for this interview. Well done Trevor for relevant questions.

[@zanabob8593]

Rest in Peace Dougie. You were great 👍. Thanks Trevor & John. Very enlightening conversation indeed.

[@foxbat473]

This conversation was esoteric thats why there is a lot of denunciation of John Mangudya

[@Shawn_G_]

Well lets hear what the man has to say!!

[@farayidarlingtonchaparadza20]

I lost a significant amount of my savings in the Zimbabwean banking system when our banked US dollars were converted to a worthless currency overnight using ficticious exchange rates and a bogus startutory instrument. So for now the little money I have remains safely tucked away under my pillow. Confidence restoration means righting past wrongs and not foisting new experimental policies on an already overstrained public. As long as past mistakes are not addressed all these new measures will amount to nothing. No disrespect.

[@talentnyemba9599]

the guy is smart esp pa paying usd to civil servants however ka life goes on kambotaurwa 2 times hakandiitiri mushe!

[@abrahammahachi3342]

Brilliant questions Trevor and it is nice to hear the Governor’s response. Like others, l sensed contradiction as he initially states that our currency is the Zimbabwe dollar and then he states that for accounting purposes, we use the US dollar, the question of confidence in the currency is probably still not addressed

[@villasquad8712]

He is clueless we don't have the right people in these positions

[@tendaimuchini3191]

That was a good watch for me. Thank you Trevor for the questions. The questions are real and honest for us ordinary people.

[@herb3014]

This guy is a gentleman, well done Trevor for bringing him on.

[@simonsibanda9898]

This was so informing. The way Trevor asked qsns was very intelligent

[@admiremusiiwa9124]

Simple questions which required simple answers..... Unfortunately, the answers to the simple questions were just not forthcoming

[@innocentnyaude6639]

There is need to separate blockchain and cryptos. Blockchain is a technology platform and is necessary. You can use the technology to digitize our ID and passport and title deeds processes.

[@trapOrdoom]

Crypto is built off cryptography and NEEDS a ledger such as a blockchain in order to ensure integrity. They need each other. Crypto allows for so much when you have a DAO. No need to “separate” anything, and there aren’t enough developers on board with this sentiment anyways. Zim needs 2 languages max, cut the Jesus shit, and return investment into our education systems. Also we could be using our trillions of dollars in gold on creating and engineering new and innovative products. Are we thinking this far? Africans haven’t gone anywhere. Same shit every year. We need to try drastic measures at this point, or just get finished off. Climate change will be roasting central Africa and destroying crops. Seems like lots of death is around the corner if we don’t step it up.

[@denfordderera8497]

The value of respect is slipping and falling. Respect for the individual, respect for ideas, respect for values. I subscribe to the idea of the zwl being the primary currency. It needs support, discipline and change in mindset among us as Zimbabweans, from policy makers and general population. You cannot grow an economy using a currency that you do not own, control or manage, it's akin to putting fate in your neighbour's hands. We need to take ownership of our currency, restore confidence in it, have discipline to manage it and share the cake.

[@allenmatanga6728]

Well said

[@douglasr6127]

Nice words. But kune Zanu PF they don't care about discipline and diligence.

[@siriusakari6729]

Discipline starts with our leaders boss. You cannot expect mastudents pachikoro to behave when their headmaster and teachers are undisciplined. They should lead by example.

[@Wekumusha07]

All blame falls in the hands of the Zanu PF Regime/Administration. They are responsible for collapsing the economy in the first place. They are responsible today for refusing to restructure the economy. The Regime's fiscal & monetary policies reek of dishonesty. The Regime introduced bond notes as currency and cheated civil servants with salaries in bond notes yet it indexes everything else in USD. The Regime rejects payments in "local currency" but pays in the same for most services. The biggest criminal is the Regime. It is creating the parallel market. The biggest smugglers of minerals/resources are mainly in Gvt or strongly linked to highest offices. Accountability only exists for the common man but not honchos and their families or close friends. Recently Chiwenga tabled an SI that removes auditing of Gvt spending from the Comptroller Gen's office- why? What is the Regime trying to hide? Last but most importantly, why is the RBZ under the manipulation of the President? How much odius debt was created by Zanu PF leaders and passed on to the taxpayer as public debt? What did the public benefit from those loans? Nothing! A sizeable percentage of what is public debt today is from outlandish spending and odius debt and runs in the billions of USD! Forget about growing an economy or supporting a currency under a Regime whose only preoccupation is wealth accumulation and self-aggrandizement.

[@faraimutanga6410]

The painful thing is that the governor doesn't acknowledge the failures that have costed Zimbabwean pockets and Zimbabwean lives.

[@sibusisodmangenah5948]

I feel sad

[@foxbat473]

Zimbabweans think they are geniuses and understand issues better than those qualified to be in their positions. WELLDONE Dr JM

[@Shawn_G_]

Trevor is friends with all of these powerful guys...What a very well connected man !!

[@mrrocca8531]

Your network is directly proportional to your networth 💪🏾💪🏾

[@Shawn_G_]

@@mrrocca8531 very true

[@mazinimlalazi6880]

Thank you Trevor for bringing Governor Mangudya.

[@zeburules]

All that this interview reveals is that the govt benefits from the chaotic monetary system while the vast majority suffer. We need to rid ourselves of incompetent govt.

[@trapOrdoom]

Buy any amount of $BTC you can.

[@NR.263]

Thanks Trevor. Can we have Tendai Biti please

[@tariromahiya646]

@33:00min, great question by TN. What i did not hear in JM's answer is that, there is now legislation that says no one can wake up and say people's accounts now have some (useless) currency X and not currency they had banked Y. Since people no longer trust the financial system, only legislation is what will bring money from their pillowcases to the banks because legislation offers some level of protection and recourse if people's savings are to get messed with again. No one in their right mind will be lured to bank their 1million USD just because there is now a 5-7% p.a. interest rate when the risk that exists is that of potentially having all their money becoming 1 million (useless) X currency and no longer USD when somebody decides to say so.

[@Mazvitah.S]

Exactly they are not yet serious Interms of transforming the monetary policies in the country , until it is fully independent i will keep my money under the bed thank you!

[@ValShang]

I don't think, you may call it an obsession Sir, its that almost everything is priced in USD , thus one would rather have USD which becomes cheaper for them as compared to RTGS prices. The disparities between USD prices versus the RTGS is too much such that one would opt to use the USD instead. Probably thus the demand for it by many .

[@williammutero2013]

The governor is either seriously out of touch with reality or he is being economic with the truth and common sense. Either way he does not inspire confidence that the authorities actually know what they are doing.

[@gabrielguni3476]

Intellectually uninspiring..... Zimbabwe deserves a better and bolder governor who is not a "yes man" to the principals....

[@lawrencestoke]

All reserve bank governors are yes men. Notice how they are all political appointees. That's the hint, even if they pretend to be independent. Blair's regret was that they didn't give the Bank of England true independence. That tells you everything.

[@martinchiwaranangatidza2039]

Hapana kwatiri kuenda

[@socertiesDB9]

Thank you Dr J.P Mangundgya.. we appreciate your hard work! we appreciate your positive attitude and point of view when analysing the status of the economy. however, however, please also respect us enough to admit that there is corruption, collusion and cartels that are operating having access to state funds to push their agenda, the likes of those cartels are those who buy fuel using auction FX and yet they sell to us in FX it's mind boggling how we are expected to cheer on and just remain respectful when we can see this is not correct!

[@johnshoko8289]

Indeed dollarisation makes our products very expensive on the export market that much we agree JPM.

[@nontandondlovu9980]

Besides the highest zimdollar not does not buy a loaf of bread

[@zimbabweanmillenial7889]

I like this guy..ZImbabwe is run by some really Smart people and Mr Mangudya is one

[@at-maringatech9363]

I would like to thank the Govenor for trying his best to fix the economy, the problem in Zimbabwe is we have citizens who are always negative

[@foxbat473]

Its depressing

[@ngonimarunza]

U camt say Zimbabweans are negative when we had USd in accounts and was changed over night to zim bollars. Should we applaud for that? These people have crippled us.

[@ngonikamba]

Between 19 to 23 minutes clearly shows that the governor contradicts himself. one minute we are using the ZW$ as our official currency, next minute we are in a transition, hence, gvt needs to charge in forex and finally the gvt relies on the free flow of funds hmmmmm

[@andersonkatema5764]

Mangudya failed to explain clearly why the govt charges services in forex. Kundandama chaiko. So sad.

[@donaldchetse4849]

Exactly i ddnt get the answer too

[@clivetendaupenyu1461]

a very informative conversation gentleman, thanks a lot. i see a very patriotic, humble, focused man in Dr Mangudya, keep it up!

[@Zebediahchiza]

Like seriously????

[@nqobilempala7944]

Umbuzo kuGovernot uthi atholakala ngaphi lawa ama Zimbabwe dollar njengoba engekho ezandleni zabantu? Ngibona angani u Governor mele ahambe phakathi kwabantu asitshengise lapho atholakala khona. Lokuthi nxa iulikhagele iZimbabwe dollar likhangeleka njani njalo bargain abantu able Access kiyo. Ngicabanga ukuthi ngendlela atsho ngayo ngabe siyayibona imali leyo ayitshoyo ebantwini in its physical form noma ngithi yona ncamatshe! Kungekholokho kutsho ukuthi imali isezandleni zabantu abavukela emsebenzini abafakelwa imali emabhanga ngaba What's his kuphela

[@toliagee]

Trevor you are the epitome of diplomacy. if I was interviewing this thug I would have trashed him so bad.

[@kudzaimunyukwa1246]

This show should be remaned "HardTalk with Trevor"

[@martinchiwaranangatidza2039]

Sale your goods and services in foreign currency for you to be able to pay your workers in foreign currency,

[@sylvestert7490]

Thanks Trevor and Dr Mangudya

[@simbarashebepete407]

Mangudya is quite sound. His analysis is pragmatic. Only that most Zimbabweans have become experts at brickbatting those in authority. Unfortunately being a constant critic does not pay. Lets be productive and take advantage of the current policy environment whilst it lasts.

[@digbymeacher6415]

When I saw this week's guest I kinda knew I would be settling in for a comedy session, then sure enough 10 mins in the show begins. Needless to say I didn't think it were possible to be more confused 😕

[@shamin28]

Kkkkkkkkk the second comedy show I have watched here after Mthuli Ncube

[@kudzaichidzonga2139]

The Governor is very humble and thanks Trevor for the critical questions which you paused to Dr. Mangudya. I totally agree with the emphasis on production and maybe if the Central Bank's mandate would be expanded to focus more on ensuring that funds are directed to productive sectors or projects with dynamic comparative or latent advantage in the economy. With regards to the loss of confidence in our local currency, I wanted the Governor to elaborate more on how the market is anticipated to gain confidence in our own currency when the government somehow appears having more preference to foreign currency to local currency, particularly in an indistinct period of transition. The governor mentioned about the decision reached by government to pay the civil servant bonus in foreign currency in order to suppress the demand for foreign currency on the informal market. However, I was curious on how government would raise that foreign currency because if it is raised from the same source (informal market), I am skeptical it might even worsen the value of the local currency (opposite effect than targeted) since the central bank appear to offer a higher rate to the informal market as compared to what the ordinary person (civil servant in this case) may afford to offer to the market when demanding foreign currency.

[@donaldchetse4849]

Please invite Biti on the show Trevor

[@takaedzatafirei3168]

Trevor you are intelligent 👌

[@ValShang]

Who Moved My Cheese is a great book 👏 "The quicker you let go of old cheese, the sooner you find new cheese.” 😃 So bet the sooner people let go of the USD mindset, the sooner we will appreciate ZWL .

[@nathanmajuru6317]

There is no ZWL. There is RTGDZWL$

[@ValShang]

@@nathanmajuru6317 thank you Nathan for your correction. I think similarly to one refering to ZAR/USD, one can get the sense by saying ZWL😊 regardless of not having mentioned RTGS as you further corrected me.

[@nathanmajuru6317]

@@ValShang us$ you can have it. RtGDZWL you can't get in it in the bank if you do it is an inadequate amount or its a bunch of of notes that will not buy anything. It is reasonable for people to prefer the us$. It works. Unlike the RTGSZWL . . .

[@knowlekc]

'We are smelling success...'J.Mangudya...kkkk

[@jacobnyamuda5661]

though mangudya failed, his policies are better than those of his predecessor Gideon Gono who broke the world record by printing trillion dollar notes

[@sendakan666]

Watching this in June 2022, the Zim RTGS has dropped 300% in value versus the USD in six months. Mr. Mangudya should be invited once again to explain himself. Shocking.

[@memorymushakwe9461]

This is an interesting interview. Thank you Governor

[@EltonMutize]

Not feeling this conversation at all.

[@foxbat473]

Coz u were castrated

[@calvinnhutsve4413]

E have bright people in Zim, what I don't understand is why do we let people like mnangagwa and chamisa play with us. We have better people man. Douglas , Travor, Makudya, Manyika , Muthuli, so many not to mention. Guys let's build Zimbabwe .

[@blueiprint4486]

Don't be a joker man. Mangudya is a little crazy if truth be told, Mutuvi is disgraceful. Which Douglas by the way, Mwonzora?? Don't be ridiculous mate.

[@josephdumani7518]

Just wondering which currency they get their salaries just wondering?

[@Prosper.Chitambara]

Very interesting conversation.

[@innocentmawoko1779]

I have been waiting for this...Thanks Trevor.

[@allenchilekw5698]

The first sign of an economy losing its footing is the poor performance of the currency and the true test of how healthy an economy is generally measured on how many jobs are created in a given year sadly this economy is in dire state

[@mapster2104]

All I see is a skorokoro kombi with the driver driving holding a hammer in right hand and a screwdriver in left hand. The driver assuring passengers kuti dont worry tinosvika. Apa kagubhu ka 5 litre kane peturu kari pacorner hanzi kombi irikurova peturu size. Door racho rakavhara rinotoda vari panze kuti vakuvhurire. Apa kombi yacho yakatarisa North East but mavhiri arikuenda North. Haina spare wiri. Apa nzira ine maporthole kombi yakapera mashock.Rovai kombi vaMangudya, hameno ikoko. Toilet, anenge apresswa ngaashingirire coz door harivhurike zvekumhanya plus takangomira inonetsa kuzomutsa. Mapassenger ari zii zvawo coz hapana imwe option, ndoyega kombi inoenda. Apa roof ma1, dai kwakambomira kunaya.

[@archiem7757]

Izwa accent yaWasu panaMangudya

[@kevintakawira4017]

WE CANNOT DEPEND ON THE PROBLEM CAUSERS TO BE THE PROBLEM SOLVERS. Zimbabwe needs new fresh blood in these high offices. Success is not theoretic. What is on the ground on the streets and homes of Zimbabweans is the true picture of our dire situation. He seems to be talking of some other country not Zimbabwe. How can we trust him right now.

[@clevermatavire3417]

Bring vanhu vane msoro not those who are calalists in our untold suffering

[@jacobmasuku6708]

Why is it rated qualitative from within.

[@zibusisoxjtshabalala1964]

If you are a schooled economist you will understand Dr Mangudya ... only irrational street economists are criticizing

[@samsonnyatwa4054]

This guy's command of language is very suspect for a bank governor

[@ngonimarunza]

True that. For someone who held senior bank positions mmmmmm

[@elvismudzengerere2093]

Trevor is pragmatic.

[@PimpMufombie]

Zanu PF destroyed our Economy and currency. Then the governor asks us to have confidence in our 'new' currency yet the same guys who destroyed it are still in power? You need to earn peoples confidence and clearly your confusion has given us No reason whatsoever to be confident.

[@nontandondlovu9980]

With all due respect mr governor my buying power has been significantly eroded. Since 2016 2017.

[@mtshose1]

Very interesting thanks trevor

[@innocentmaponde2377]

This guy is just talking 'theory'.

[@musavenganechigumbu8896]

How does the 3% - 7% interest equate with monthly bank charges?

[@xolanindlovu6158]

Fiat currencies like USD, British pound and all, are not backed by anything tangible. I will choose cryptos over USD anytime and any day. Cryptos on the other hand are backed basically by a robust technology the cryptocurrency it runs on, the blockchain technology that uses a consensus algorithm a protocol through which all the parties of the blockchain network come to a common agreement (consensus) on the present data state of the ledger. Decentralization is a primary tenet of cryptocurrency made secured through cryptographic functions. The fastest way to improve governance and increase confidence is by adoption of Blockchain technology. As blockchain technology experts we are available to help government and RBZ understand and implement these valuable innovations.

[@kilsonmuchuchuti2075]

ma1.....vakunyisiwa ndiyo economy

[@ValShang]

That's good Hon. Doc .Mangudya, without God we are all nothing.

[@TheChachona]

Governor is the Reserve Bank performing the lender of last resort function? Your tight monetary policy...the treasury bills and government bonds what is their currency denomination?

[@brianvirukai4927]

TREVOR,KINDLY HAVE DOUGLAS HOTO THE FIRST BLACK ZIM PENSIONS ACTUARY

[@finsensetv]

This is going to be very interesting

[@Player1ZW]

Confusion dzega dzega 😂😂🤣🤣

[@johnshoko8289]

Thanks so much Trevor for having Dr JPM at least there is now two of us seeing from the same pair of glasses. These rent seeking behaviors and short sightedness will come to pass. I am convinced that we are on the correct track with a few changes here and there.

[@jebbysphiri6875]

This connects in with Eddie Cross interview

[@smartmoneyinstitution9279]

Clearly the government is influencing monetary policy, no central bank independence. Even the governer speaks on behalf of the treasury no wonder the country is experiencing problems. Very sad 😢 😢😢😢 why cant zimbabwe join common market area 80% of these problems will disappear unless there are people profiting from this chaos "arbitrage"

[@fchapuredima]

Anybody struggling with the volume? Maybe it is just my laptop or my hearing?

[@ngonimarunza]

This was a mere economics discussion nothing about what we are going through and how we can fix things. When will a leader agree that he has failed in Zim

[@dubViny]

Does Dr Magundya approve the private hiring of earoplanes by ED? If so, can he please justify the expenditure?

[@denismunashesidunaSID]

So many parallels between him and Gono.