Dr Kat and Lady Margaret Pole

[@BriarMB13]

Excuse me while I quietly add Margaret to the seemingly unending list of women that Henry screwed over 😑

[@ReadingthePast]

Fair point! It's a long ol' list!

[@kathycortez232]

Baylie Crowley agree 100%

[@VLove-CFII]

He was a Monster!

[@shellc6743]

His daughters Mary and Elizabeth weren't much better.

[@suzanlopatin2499]

Indeed!

[@leticiagarcia9025]

Henry couldn’t punish Reginald Pole. Instead he took out his frustrations on an elderly woman. It’s heartbreaking that her execution was botched.

[@l.plantagenet]

And the rest of her family. I know Reginald Pole knew this was happening. Why we would he come back since he knew what he was in for he did? He was much braver down with the Pope than he where no harm could come to him.

[@irena4545]

I wonder if it might have been done on purpose, as a final act of vengeance and malice. I certainly do not consider that below Henry :-(

[@coralrault2275]

She fought to the end! Brave woman!

[@juliie007]

And karma came to bite Henry in his royal behind coz the son he shed so much blood for died young leaving no male heirs.

[@leticiagarcia9025]

@@juliie007 The daughter of the wife he hated the most became one of England’s greatest monarch. That’s karma too.

[@angelasmith5174]

Poor Lady Margaret, such a sad story and sad ending for a royal Princess. She suffered such a ghastly fate for no reason other than her bloodlines and her loyalty to Catherine of Aragon, and The Princess Mary. Leave it to Henry Vlll to butcher a royal born Princess. I always thought she was a strong woman to have survived all the turmoil of her childhood and her young adulthood. History overlooks this lady's remarkable life to concentrate mostly on her bloody demise. I think she is a heroine who met an unfair end.

[@virginagobetz4756]

Hear!Hear!

[@sandrageist1061]

She is my favorite character on the Spanish Princess. I find her inspiring.

[@l.plantagenet]

@@sandrageist1061 she was played by the actress who played Lady Edith in Downton Abbey.

[@sandrageist1061]

@@l.plantagenet I've never watched that is it good?

[@BarbaraJV1]

Henry iiiv. 🤦‍♀️. Monster. This is a sad story. A lady who is of noble birth at 67 years old being dispatched in such an horrific way!!! Absolutely heartbreaking. You really have to admire her loyalty to Catherine of Aragon and Princess Mary 💕

[@danadmb41]

There should be a mini series on her whole life.

[@stevenleslie8557]

What Henry did to her reinforces what a cruel man he was.

[@NT-bz5nh]

Henry was awful. Repulsive.

[@jasperhorace7147]

While I agree Henry viii did become more and more irrational as time went on, we really should not judge history by modern standards. However, simply executing an elderly woman because her brother was unobtainable is particularly harsh and unnecessary. Of course, Lady Margaret’s support for the Princess Mary didn’t help. Imagine how different English history would have been if the Pope had just been reasonable and granted Henry his divorce from a wife beyond child bearing age.

[@TreyCapnerhurst]

@@jasperhorace7147 Women are human. Catherine was his wife for over 20 years. Believing that it is "reasonable" to discard us once our organs no longer serve you is the definition of misogyny.

[@jasperhorace7147]

@@TreyCapnerhurst I repeat - we should not judge history by modern standards. You overlook completely the age Henry lived in and the fact that early modern kings still required a male heir. To us his behaviour seems monstrous but was probably perfectly acceptable during his reign.

[@TreyCapnerhurst]

@@jasperhorace7147 I overlook nothing. Contemporary writers also condemned him. What's your excuse as a modern man for dismissing women as Things to dispose of when we can no longer breed?

[@drelevatorlestrange]

I have read hundreds of books about or including her and never once heard anyone explain her wealth and standing in detail. This is my favorite thing about this series, actual real and new information.

[@vidsnosensevids7637]

I'm re-reading 'The King's Curse' which is mainly about Lady Pole and although I know P.Gregory plays fast and loose with historical facts, it's still a great read. Such an unbelievably strong woman. We share the same birthday, I think about her every year. Can't imagine how much pain she went through with her children. Off to hug my 3 babies and thank whoever made us all that I'm not in her position. Thanks for a great video :)

[@AnneBoleyn-qg5pj]

The king's curse a very excellent book.

[@jamest2401]

A GREAT MOMENT BETWEEN MARGARETS From 'The Spanish Princess' Margaret Pole: “There is no depth you will not sink to, no evil you will not peddle, no cruelty you would spare.” Margaret Beaufort: “I would warn you, Lady Pole, to watch your words.” Margaret Pole: “No. I have watched my words and deeds my whole life, and tell me, how far has that got me? You Tudors killed my brother in cold blood. You crush ANYONE and ANYTHING in the path of your foul power lust.“

[@rossedmonds1828]

Henry Vlll was a paranoid tyrant . Consider what happened to Thomas Cromwell who had been his most able advisor.

[@ReadingthePast]

Definitely, but Cromwell did make a fatal mistake (as far as I'm concerned) he thought he could lead Henry down his own preferred path - by marrying him to Anne of Cleves - rather than waiting to see what his king wanted and falling into step with those desires at speed. Unfortunately, I think he put too much faith in Henry's favour to keep him safe and empowered.

[@karmasauce6288]

I’d also call it karma

[@justthecoolestdudeyo9446]

@@ReadingthePast It seems that the biggest mistake an English aristocrat could make is assuming Henry VIII's favor....

[@jennifertalkington6609]

Honestly I have no compassion for Cromwell, look how many people were be-headed on trumped up charges that Cromwell took into his own hands to have murdered! He should have been drawn and quartered if you ask me. 😡

[@karmasauce6288]

Jennifer Talkington very well put!

[@amcalabrese1]

Anthony Robinson did a documentary some years ago about a descendant of Margaret Pole living in Australia who theoretically has a better claim to the throne than the Windsors or Stuarts. The subject of the documentary has since passed away but his son is now Earl of Loudon (though the family does not use the title).

[@kudu42]

Tony Robinson - the documentary yu mention is available on KZbin kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqS5q3ecYrCbjrc

[@giddygrub7176]

Love hearing about Margaret Pole, she's often overlooked (and my favourite).

[@ShirlEllen]

You can't see her portrait well enough here to notice the "charm" on her bracelet. It is a aperfect miniature of the wooden barrel that held the Malnsey here father was drownd in. I always found that fascinating. A mpmentpo

[@clair233]

Sorry to ask but what is a Malnsey

[@Patrick3183]

Clare Hill malmsey is a sort of wine

[@l.plantagenet]

I've heard that and some people don't think he was executed that way, but I think the barrel is very telling.

[@amywebb4586]

Supposedly he chose Malmsey wine because it was Elizabeth of York's favorite wine and he apparently HATED her. I wonder if it's true that he chose to die that way?

[@talia4239]

I went through a phase when I was fourteen years old where I studied English royal history seeing as I'm from Brazil and have to my knowledge no English heritage a little overboard. It's nice to watch your videos because you're not overly exaggerated with your descriptions and it gives a more sympathetic view of the lives of certain figures or periods in the past. So thank you for your contribution I enjoyed your content very much.

[@RaysDad]

I haven't researched this, but the account I remember of Margaret's execution stressed that she obstinately refused to cooperate with her own execution and ran from the scaffold with the executioner in hot pursuit, swing his act wildly. That's why it took eleven strokes to finish her off (or as the lecturer said, "less than a dozen"). To me this seems a more satisfying end than was customary in Tudor England, when the condemned was expected to extravagantly praise the king and then passively kneel before the block.

[@Virus-xm7qc]

Margaret Pole was a REAL LADY, and I love the way you breathe LIFE back into them the way you tell their true life STORIES, PLEASE KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK 😍I was blown away by her written Biography.

[@gailheather9619]

Thank you for your compassionate discussion of my 15th great grandmother.

[@ReadingthePast]

Thank you, how fascinating to have such a figure as a blood relative!

[@beverlyfletcher4458]

@@ReadingthePast And a privilege!

[@thefiercesiren]

Gail, we are distantly related. Her granddaughter Marie, or Mary, married into the de la Cufayde (there are many spellings) family. Henry Cufaude, a physician, came to live in Illinois in the mid-1800s. One of his decendants is my mother.

[@shaunalea823]

So cool I'm accurately decended from Edward 1 and the Tudors on both sides

[@Cynnas]

And I've been working on my family tree for 20 years but can't find any of it from before 1830. It's all Irish (and Catholic). Haha!

[@DavidMacDowellBlue]

I think her 'fate' is a pretty good example of how Henry VIII increasingly became a nothing but a tyrant, albeit under the circumstances a powerful King. I suspect part of this would be his inability to grow old with anything like grace. He liked being the strong, beautiful, accomplished warrior prince--long after he was a sick, fat, petulant, cruel magistrate and schemer.

[@beverlyfletcher4458]

He was a psychopath and the knock on his head when jousting in 1533 (?) probably exascerbated his inclinations. If I had been him, I'd have been afraid to die knowing Judgement was going to be pronounced on him, just for a change......

[@irena4545]

@@beverlyfletcher4458 Such types never admit to themselves being in the wrong, everything is always everyone else's fault.

[@cataderian]

Sounds like trump.

[@Galen-864]

@@cataderian You obviously let the socialist marxists of the deep state (world-wide) tell you what to think.

[@Cristobels-Green-Boots]

Sounds awfully familiar.....💔

[@gonefishing167]

Thank you Dr Kat, this is about the 3rd time I’ve watched this video and it moves me every time. Poor, dignified old lady. She didn’t have an easy life and yet she was very loyal to those she loved. It’s lovely to read comments and see other opinions vut I feel I’m very moved by those who are descended from her. You have a heritage to be both proud of and appalled at. It’s so easy to take out feelings on someone you can ‘get at’, rather than the person you’re angry at and, if your’e Henry, you can do what you want. Poor ladies, poor Warwick - a child at heart. Sigh 😔 History can still tug at your heartstrings centuries later. We remember your many times great grandmother with love and kindness. Thank you 🙏 Dr Kat for your presentations, they are eagerly awaited. Hope little Gabriel is growing well. What a life of happy memories you have ahead of it. Live it - it’s true what they say. Blink your eyes and they’re grown! But you still feel and remember everything they did. Even when you csnt remember where your glasses, your hearing aid or your car Keys 🔑 are! Thank you from Australia 🇦🇺

[@jasminearmstrong2855]

I think this execution represents the decline of Henry's mental health. He had become very paranoid.

[@angelasmith5174]

I forgot to mention, I love your channel and the content. I would love to see a video on Lady Margaret Douglas. She is another Tudor Princess who history overlooks. She has an important role in events but gets overlooked. I'm hitting the subscribe button for sure!

[@ReadingthePast]

I've got you covered: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2bNlmh8bbSsabM I apologise in advance, I used a portrait of Thomas Howard, third Duke of Norfolk by mistake when discussing his younger brother (also Thomas). Despite this boo boo, I stand by the rest of the video!

[@lindamclean8809]

Gosh! I can’t imagine why anyone would want to be a noble or royal at that time.......dangerous to say the least. 😳😳

[@tammywilson1638]

Because being poor came with it's own challenges, which could be just as deadly.

[@jackhamilton848]

I feel a little more educated today. You present the information in a clear and easy way to follow, it’s not exaggerated or opinionated. I really look forward to your videos. Thanks.

[@Cristobels-Green-Boots]

Crystal clear -- thank you! I confess that, having watched TV Series such as The Tudors' & 'The White Princess' the character of Margaret Pole was somewhat overlooked by me -- I now intend to watch 'The Spanish Princess' to gain more insight! In The White Queen' the children of George & Isabel are overlooked, giving us no clue as to their history; I enjoyed the series, but there is so much more to discover..... 🙏🏼🌹🙏🏽 Thank you! ❤️

[@dancingcolorsVdeRegil]

Just finished the 1st season of the Spanish Queen, and I was moved by her story as covered there. What a powerhouse, and what a sad end to such strength, and fortitude!

[@kathrynpupos9103]

I just found this series at the beginning of the 2nd season. I'm loving it. I think it's my replacement for the GOT!

[@melissaknive3494]

Ha! They have the "Dogs will lick their blood" quote in the Tudors! I just watched that scene... of course, it's attributed to a random friar and not a woman who hears voices (and the character Margaret Pole doesn't show up until next season, but it is referenced, loosely)... Thanks for this video!!!!!!!

[@tristanbaravraham6349]

Wow!!!!!!! Just wow. Great job, no kidding. That genuinely choked me up.

[@katherinemcintire2638]

I'm in the process of reading Philippa Gregory' d book: The King's Curse. As it is from Margret Pole' s point of view, I've grown to appreciate and really respect her as a strong and wise woman. Years ago I was on a tour of the Tower of London and recall seeing the plaque where she met her end. During that visit I had no idea of who she was or what a remarkable woman she was. Thank you for giving me added insight. I do feel a tinge of sadness for her in the way King Henry treated her and her family.

[@steppy3736]

Didn't Henry VII have Edward executed before he allowed Arthur to marry KoA? As barbaric as MP's execution was, it seemed to be a common practice to get rid of claimants to the throne - whether they were aiming for the throne themselves or to be used as a political pawn.

[@realityslidersmandelaeffec6594]

You are right, we are STILL horrified

[@PettyShabazz]

From the death of her parents, the death of her husband, poverty and so on Lady Pole had a rough life.

[@dawnfalvey6766]

I’ve just come across your channel and I absolutely love it! It’s brilliant. I’m an American (and a bit of an Anglophile) I love history , particularly British/ European history and your channel is so informative. I’ve been to England many times and am very envious of its fascinating history. I’ve just subscribed and will be recommending this channel to my friends as well. Keep up the great work. ❤️

[@dawnfalvey6766]

Moana Lahi yes- I also love American history as well- Native American history (pre Columbian to be precise). My favorite subjects on that are anything to do with the Anasazi people and the Cahokia mounds. My family is pretty recent to the US - they arrived in the 1930s from Norway & Germany. I’m also interested in ancient history civilizations with Alexander the Great being a favorite subject. I think it’s just the castles, knights, kings, and queens ( and all the drama) that’s so appealingLol. 🌷

[@susaniacuone5758]

Thankyou from one of Margaret's many many Australian descendants. We've always known the connection, and males in my maternal grandfather's paternal branch often had Pole as a middle name up to the mid 19th century

[@amysbees6686]

You are truly blessed to have such a truly saintly woman in your family!

[@flanamom]

Great video, wonderful channel! I immediately subscribed because of your fascinating, intelligent, friendly and accurate presentation of the period of history I love the most. The story of Margaret Pole is one of the most tragic in a long list of Henry VIII's abominations. Wouldn't have put it past Cromwell to "find" an incriminating tunic among her possessions after they'd been thoroughly searched beforehand.

[@samrudhik8757]

The Tudors killed that entire family over time.. 2 full generations of males from the York line lost.. I would not be surprised that it was Henry VII that got rid of Princes in the Tower as well

[@stefanhernold345]

In case you haven`t already done it, you are strongly advised to read Josephine Tey`s famous novel "The Daughter of Time" which, despite being a mystery novel, makes at least as convincing a case for Richard III.`s innocence as any history book.

[@emilybarclay8831]

@@stefanhernold345if you’re getting your historical theories from fiction you’re doing something wrong

[@emilybarclay8831]

Henry VII had no means, motive, connections or influence to commit that act. The only man who DID have those things was the current king at the time

[@stefanhernold345]

@@emilybarclay8831 No Ma`a m - I am a trained historian, just like you. It`s just that I happened to find Mrs. Tey`s line of argument strangely convincing. 🙂

[@kridswonderhowell4541]

Agreed.... Tey and many many others have many many theories & suspects.... fiction? non fiction?... Alison Weir writes plenty of fiction and I'm confident she's a historian😂❤😂

[@diannameadows142]

She is such a tragic woman. I can see in my mind this elderly woman in a panic trying to get away from an inept axeman. Oh the horror it is just unbelievable but we have no way to know how many people met their death in this way.

[@rubyc5664]

What a sad ending to such a lady... thank you for this wonderful video 😄

[@alisaoliver1969]

The Poles messed up. Being related to Reginald didn't help because he publicly expressed his disagreement with the break with Rome. I don't know why they thought they would be safe from Tudor. They played a game with politics and lost.

[@APeacefulPlace]

I have to say, I discovered your channel this week and I absolutely LOVE all that you're about. I've watched all your videos on Anne Boleyn, Anne of Cleaves, and some on Henry and I LOVE how you tell their stories. You go in depth in a way I didn't in my history class. Now, a question for you. In the beginning of your videos, you play a little jingle with your introduction. Did you know or intend for it to be the earworm that keeps people coming back to the channel or is that an added bonus? LOL! Seriously, it's been in my head for days and it makes me want to binge your videos. Thank you for what you do! Please keep doing more! If you can, I'd love to see more about the monarchs of England. I LOVE learning in general and find them to be so fascinating. Thank you for making learning fun 💗

[@ReadingthePast]

Hahaha, I wish I was that aware of the effect of music. I picked it because it reminded me of period music and I liked it (and because it was royalty free 😂)

[@APeacefulPlace]

@@ReadingthePast Definitely an inspired choice :)

[@l.plantagenet]

@@ReadingthePast it reminds of the Band-Aid commercial we have here in America. I don't know if you guys have ever seen it, but it's been popular for decades. I'm sure it's on KZbin, but the words to the chorus are,"I am stuck on Band-Aid cuz Band-Aid's stuck on me!"

[@YT4Me57]

THAT'S the tune!!! (or very much like it, LOL)

[@colleendunne608]

Henry was infamous for getting rid of women whom he deemed a problem - Catherine of Aragon, Anne Boleyn, Margaret Pole, and so on. He was a tyrant no question.

[@hannahrenahouston5919]

I'm so glad I found your video on this! Lady Margaret really deserved better and her story is heartbreaking

[@ricktramonti4286]

Unbelievable but not surprising considering Henry’s growing irrational behavior. I have watched the first 4 episodes of “The Spanish Queen” which is a series that chronicles Katherine of Aragon. Lady Margaret (as played by Laura Carmichael) did not seem to have a good relationship with Katherine and was more concerned about “keeping her head”. I’m wondering how much of the story from the series is based on fact?

[@ladyfarrahtarot]

I just watched this for the second time because I started watching the Spanish Princess on Stazs (a complete fairy tale of course). I remembered her from the book The Women of the War of the Roses (which I wish you would do a segment on especially Elizabeth Woodville). I had also watched your segment on Lady Pole. I really love your videos. Would love one on the mistresses of Henry 8 and a little more on Woodville and Queen Kathrine Howard. So little is really known about them. I have done my own research and would love to know your take on these ladies. Love from America, Stacey Brown

[@andrewlangcake7431]

I have felt for many years that Henry was essentially mad by the time he executed Margaret Pole .I think a combination of being surrounded by self serving advisors (Cromwell ,Wolsey ,the Boleyns ,Buckingham ,Norfolk etc ) his injuries during his infamous jousting accident and the home remedies he insisted on taking (Possibly including mercury ) ,turned him into a paranoid ,suspicious and irrational despot .Poor Margaret Pole was probably doomed as much by her loyalty to Catherine of Aragon and Mary as anything ,i'm sure Henry came to believe that the only person anyone should be loyal to was him .He had probably regarded Margaret Pole with suspicion for years ,so it's not surprising that be seized on her son's disobedience as an excuse to remove her .She was just another in a long line of people to receive Henry's favour and generosity ,only to be struck down by him later ,it was practically his modus operandi .Wendy Langcake .

[@annm.7176]

Very good documentary I had always thought about her in the Blood Royal Books that it was because she was the last Plantagenet and the Tudors wanted to get rid of her. Thanks for clearing that up

[@1minigrem]

Henry was a vile human being, I don’t think he was capable of feeling for anyone but himself, he used and discarded as he saw fit.

[@tomservo75]

Excellent video. One thing to add to your video list might be a look at Henry himself. How what started off as a very hopeful reign turned into a tyranny, and if there were any hints in 1509 that would have foreshadowed the mad tyrant that he would become.

[@Rosedawn321]

Henry just reveals himself as more of a monster with every new fact I learn. Thanks again Dr. Kat for speaking up for those who cannot anymore.

[@roxanaandrews2884]

I had never read such sad story as Margaret Pole's. her mother died when she was very young, then her father was executed, she was married at a young age and beneath her social status, although she was reasonably happy. She had several children which she adored, but they all had a sad story and at the end she died a horrible death ! To me she is a Saint wether recognised or not ! She is now in Gods glory alongside her beloved family !!!!

[@j4eyes1]

I am having problems with my twitter account. I knew a little about Lady Margaret Pole and her high status in England. I had read about her educated status and her piety. When I first read or was told, the details of her execution, which was horrific! The king had effectively destroyed her and a significant proportion of her family. The other thing that struck me was that all the executions undertaken in Henry VII name and reign say far mote about him in his middle and later years than anyone he had attainted or executed. He seemed to have had so much promise as a young man!

[@cwhite5015]

Your videos are wonderful! I have studied the Tudors closely, but never really paid much attention to the Plantagenet Dynasty or the Wars of the Roses. ‘The Spanish Princess’ (a series that is excellent but, like most dramas, took some liberties with historic facts) really opened my eyes to the York/Lancaster issues. I never knew of Margaret Pole before the series. Your video has helped immensely to fill in those blanks for me. WONDERFUL!!!

[@Min61449]

Edward the 4th was married to Elizabeth Woodville not Elizabeth of York ( she was their daughter).

[@lynneperry7454]

This is incredibly timely as I have just finished reading “The Mirror and the Light”. This of course gives a fictionalised account of Thomas Cromwell’s dealings with her household ( among others ). I love the interstices between fact and *well researched* historical fiction.

[@jaytay8637]

He was just a boy, 14 I think, Katherine was,17.They were sent to live at Ludlow castle and poor Arthur died shortly after.

[@dotmurphy7279]

Lady Pole seems to me to have done the best she could with circumstances life gave her. She was just another victim of Henry's rages. He strikes me as a grown male with the maturity of a fourteen year old. Donald Trump puts me in mind of Henry VIII.

[@businessfinancecoach]

love your channel! keep it up ... it's exponential when it starts to go :)

[@ReadingthePast]

Thank you so much! I plan to keep at it, for sure!

[@roxiepoe9586]

Power is a dangerous dancing master.

[@louise-yo7kz]

Good Lord, Henry the 8th was beastly

[@vetsai8199]

If there IS a hell, he burns eternally!

[@MasterJediDude]

Such an incredibly researched article about an amazing woman. Well done and thank you!

[@panicmerchants]

I love your channel. I have discovered many of the people you discuss are my direct ancestors including this poor woman so i am watching them all again

[@shelley2he844]

I just read the Kings curse by Phillipa Gregory, a brilliant book about poor Margaret. God bless her. What a horrific death.

[@archaeologygrl]

Horrid way to die. I love learning more and more about the Tudors and more English history. Thank you Dr. Kat :)

[@katiejon17]

I just found your videos because they randomly popped-up. You are perfect at the delivery! I’ll be heading over to watch a Henry III video soon. I’m curious if you discussed any notes mental deficits as he aged and became more volatile. I’m an RN and find the mental/social/emotional changes, physical changes, and the festering leg wound very suspect. I have my theories. But I love hearing them in general.

[@tonnyjefferson8133]

It makes you wonder how much better England would have been had Prince Arthur had lived. Even their mother Elizabeth of York knew Henry was a monster. Is there any idea on the total number of deaths he was responsible for?

[@hollyhanna78]

Excellent video! I love it when I come across anything having to do with Lady Margaret Pole’s life. She was a very important person & I always feel like she doesn’t get enough acknowledgement.

[@knightblossom8407]

I've just found your videos! I love them. You have a great personality, and I really enjoy learning the intricacies of history. Thank you for sharing all that lovely knowledge and research!! Love from Texas!

[@CaitlinSk]

@Reading the Past can you do a video on Elizabeth Raleigh nee Throckmorton? I became interested in her again after your Bess of Hardwick video

[@reazon2bangie]

So glad I found you! I love how thorough you are & I LOVE your accent!

[@reazon2bangie]

@@michaeliamcryder6921 I believe the UK has numerous accents and many that speak English do NOT speak it any more properly than we do... Most languages have been butchered over the centuries by the natives of their countries.. So please know, I am very proud to be a Southern American. I Just adore listening to this lady and many others from various areas around Great Britain 🇬🇧, South Africa 🇿🇦, Australia 🇦🇺, New Zealand 🇳🇿 and other English speaking countries...

[@lakelili]

Fascinating. I thought Henry VII had cleared most of the Plantagenet heirs out far earlier. Also interesting that it was with Catherine of Aragon that she was friends and not with her cousin Elizabeth of York.

[@dragicavarkas7970]

Elizabeth actualy cared for her very much if I'm not wrong, at the time of her marrige she tried to save her life and life of her little cousin, but with people and her mother saying they found one of her little brothers and having given birth to hair of the throne, I belive it was very hard for Elizabeth of York to show any kind of affection for her side of the family, on one side you have husband who thinks you will betray him, crazy mother in law and child you want on the throne

[@dragicavarkas7970]

And on other side you have cousin who has grater claim to the throne and maybe alive long lost brothers who if really alive have gratest claim to the throne than any of them and she spent her childhood with fights ovrer throne, such a torn life

[@lakelili]

@@dragicavarkas7970 I had always thought "poor Elizabeth" being forced to marry Henry... Elizabeth Woodville and Margaret Beaufort conspired to the marriage between them, this while Richard III had opened negotiations to have her married to King Manuel I of Portugal. And while I'm sure that Henry was a challenge, its his mother, Margaret Beaufort, who even after Elizabeth became Queen Consort, was given precedence... piece of work as my own mother would say.

[@dragicavarkas7970]

@@lakelili yes, i have read about Margaret, she was something else, i think all of them were, i think it speaks about time they lived in, but yes from all i read Henry VII was abnormally conected to his Mother, and what we do know about his young life it's not suprising of his lack of tust in Elizabeth of York if we know who her family was in relation to him

[@dragicavarkas7970]

@@lakelili and i have mention "crazy mother in law" but maybe that is to soft for her character 🤣

[@carolynandrade2648]

don't know how I missed this last year. excellent

[@annehenderson9207]

Thank-you for yet another well-researched and well-presented video. As history buff, I appreciate your insights into this era.

[@Happyheart146]

Imagine being 67 and having to suffer such butchery. Even today, that leaves one cold.

[@beverleightodd5710]

I first learnt of Margaret Pole in The Kings Curse by Philippa Gregory and was fascinated by her. Do you ever consider doing programmes about people outside of GB. One person I read about by Jean Plaidy was Catherine de Medici. I would love to know more.

[@christineholbrook1107]

King Henry can only be thought of as monster . Lady Margaret Pole suffered a brutal death . Her son Reginald Pole ,threw his family and mother to the wolves .Appaling .

[@tukicat1399]

Very interesting, its surprising however that the so called Tyrant Richard III was most likely not, when the golden Tudor was.

[@jeandehuit5385]

I don't think it's a zero-sum game; Richard III, Henry VII, & Henry VIII all had ppl. killed. Who was more unjust in doing so? Probably Henry VIII. But I think Richard III & Henry VII were *very* similar men when it came to policy. They weren't driven so much by their emotions as they were practicality (whereas I think Henry VIII was very much driven by his emotions). Both Richard III & Henry VII were crafty men. Their playbook is really similar; they marry off their Lancastrian subjects to their Yorkist to maintain a balance of power; they keep boys of rival lineages locked up in towers b/f having them killed (Edward V & Richard of Shrewsbury for Richard III; Edward, 17th earl of Warwick for Henry VII). I think they were both effective kings. Richard was certainly more of a warrior than Henry was, but is a warrior all one looks for in a king?

[@tukicat1399]

@@jeandehuit5385 I agree, most kings were complicit in the downfall of enemies.. however no one was more vilified than Richard III than by the Tudor propogandist Shakespeare..its a pity that it took 600 years for the record to be straightened a bit. Considering his record, I dont understand why Henry VIII was so loved by the public when the truth is so different.

[@tintinhickey5869]

So glad I found your channel - you have such an in depth knowledge of British Royal history and make it fascinating to listen to as well. I've read a few historical novels over the years by various authors and the better ones stand out. As I mentioned in an earlier post Jean Plaidy (not much mentioned these days) wrote gripping novels of all the Royals and her Tudor series is very good. I recall reading how Margaret Pole was chased around the tower by the executioner ; her brutal execution was outright murder as was Anne Boleyn's but of course most people are more familiar with Anne's life and death.

[@kimduncan5593]

I have always found her fascinating. Thanks for including her.

[@j.svensson7652]

I'm learning so much from you. Thank you! Don't ever stop!

[@StoryVoracious]

Thanks, I love the way that you use portraits; it makes it much easier to understand. Could you read a contemporary account of Margaret's execution? It would be grim, but would make things clearer. Thanks.

[@SunflowerSpotlight]

I wonder if you have a video on the descent of Henry VIII, when it happened, what could have caused it. Was it simply a man grown into immense power that he broadened even more? The lion realizing his strength? Or did he not always seem to be on that path, and something changed? There are so many theories, including syphilitic paranoia and his head trauma in 1536. I’d love your take, if it’s not already floating around somewhere on the channel.

[@ReadingthePast]

I'm actually planning to talk about the posthumous diagnoses of Henry for my next topic.

[@SunflowerSpotlight]

Reading the Past I’m so happy! I imagine Henry’s actions were odd enough that people were trying to explain it all even while he was alive, and after he died it got even more speculative for some. Either taking blame off him or making him seem even more hotheaded depending on their political and religious perspective. Like Cromwell is supposed to have said, “Princes are unlike other men and not easily understood,” or something similar to that effect. It’ll be interesting to see what people made of Henry’s actions. I can’t wait!

[@AmandaJ]

Really great video! Though at 3:35 I think you meant to say Elizabeth Woodville (unless I misunderstood).

[@ReadingthePast]

Just went and checked, you are quite correct. I misspoke. That's what I get for looking at the child while talking about the mother. Apologies for the slip up there!

[@Luubelaar]

@@ReadingthePast - easy to do when just about every noble or royal woman was Elizabeth, Margaret, Mary, or Catherine. And the men weren't any better.

[@donsarde]

I have always felt so sad for this noblewoman. What a sad life Lady Margret pole led. The last Plantagenet to have been murdered by Henry VIII.

[@drelevatorlestrange]

You have inspired me to sign up with a subscription to the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, I am currently living in Costa Rica and can't get out because the borders are closed due to CV. I can't order books here or anything so I have to read everything online. I have been stuck re-reading James Pope Hennessy's life of Queen Mary for comfort. For many years I was stuck on the Tutors and thought I had read it all but your content is really fresh and terribly interesting. I think what you are doing here is of great value and interest. I would teach history if I could but my dr is in educational technology, which I continue to teach online from CR. Anyway just so happy and interested to have found these videos online and I listen to them while with great interest and enjoyment.

[@AthenaisC]

She could have been the Queen of England. Such a sad ending. 😔 Have you done a video on the Earl of Devon, Edward Courtenay? He's another Plantangenet who deserves a look.

[@tamarpelkinson3518]

Came after watching "The Spanish Princess", I so wanted to know who she really was. Seems they got her right on the show :) Thank you for this video :)

[@kendolinh9356]

Henry was a tyrant and had no sense of decency, executing a 67 yr woman for what reason?

[@pinkknight9]

A paranoid who really has no claim to the throne.

[@reuvenknight1575]

@@pinkknight9 If it makes you feel better he really didn't want it either, he was barely even trained for it. Its just what happens when you are next in line and your brother suddenly keels over from the sweating sickness.

[@hogwashmcturnip8930]

@@reuvenknight1575 It seems from what I read that Henry Did want it and resented being the 2nd son, destined for the Church. I have seen articles that suggest Henry was always jealous of Arthur and wanted everything he had, which is why he married Katherine, against his father's wishes. (He had forbidden the union, yet kept Katherine in penury in England as a bargaining chip, when etiquette would have suggested she should have been sent back to Spain for her family to arrange another favourable (ie political) marriage. Not to mention the small matter of returning her dowry. It makes sense, especially considering Henry's later behaviour and character. He always wanted what he could not have, and once he had it he tired of it, like a petulant child. That said, he must have had some feeling for Katherine, as they lasted all those years. Or maybe he just couldn't work out how to dump her, it wasn't politically expedient or there was nothing worth the effort. Until Anne. But when he married KaO, it really was not a wise move politically. The game had shifted, they did not need Spain as an ally as they had when she was betrothed to Arthur, and it would have made much better political sense to look elsewhere for a bride. So either he had genuine feelings for her, or he just wanted what he had been denied, and now could have.

[@reuvenknight1575]

@@hogwashmcturnip8930 I have a lot of articles stating the opposite and he was never destined for the church, his training prior to his brother's death strongly reflects that.

[@reuvenknight1575]

@@hogwashmcturnip8930 this whole "always evil all the time" version of Henry is just so much mythmaking.

[@wendywardashley]

Love watching your videos. Clear, concise and interesting. Thank you.

[@sittinonxgo]

Wow! Apart from what I know of her involvement with the War of the Roses and what came of that, I didn't know that she had also gone into service with the Reign of Henry VIII. That was a very interesting video. Thank you so much for giving us this information.

[@maggieclendenin6740]

Aaaah.....i just found your channel and subscribed immediately! I love Tudor history. You're telling of it is addicting! Yaaas! Give us more. Thank you for sharing.

[@SensaiMan]

Lovely video and information. I have many of the Pole family in my tree going back in history. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@elizabethmarchesani]

This was a fantastic video !! I am currently watching the series of The white Queen The White Princess and The Spanish Princess I now understand what is happening so much better that I will have to watch them over again !!! I really enjoy all your videos Thank you !!

[@sisterjesscah]

Lady Margaret I've recently l found out, is my 16th great grandmother. While her story is heartbreaking, I've enjoyed getting to know her from your video and other accounts. Thank you. I feel so honoured to be able to call this strong brave woman family. I really do. She endured so much. On another note, Henry VIII has got to be one of the most complicated men in history. A Man who goes out of his way to make sure Lady Margaret is well cared for under his watch, and yet has seemingly no qualms about murdering her in a brutal fashion.

[@shadow_hillsgrandma8224]

She’s my great aunt thru Ursula

[@VLove-CFII]

Dr. Kat: I love your videos! Your friendly professional presence is very likable! Thank you for sharing this information.

[@helenwoodcock5140]

just found you i cant believe ive never found you before as i am a follower of all things Tudor and royal ive been watching you all day ive just watched the fascinating episodes on the badges of Henry 8th s wives would you consider doing a modern royal family one it was great seeing Henry wives ,xx im currently watching the virgin queen i love Tudor England history .x

[@willherondale483]

Thank you, Dr Marchant: I was hoping you would cover princess Margaret of York, countess of Salisbury. I am very grateful.

[@kailyns8159]

Enjoying your historical content so much. Something I’ve always wondered... is it possible that the “ungodly” execution of Cromwell and the disastrous execution of Lady Margaret Pole could have been done by the same executioner? The execution dates are little more than a year apart. And both executions are documented as poorly completed/botched in the records. What do you think, Dr. Kat?

[@spiralrose]

Sadly, she wasn’t able to answer, but I think you’re onto something there. Very astute! Thank you for adding that in here even though I’m two years late it’s still a fabulous comment

[@melenatorr]

Thank you for this video. Margaret's always been of interest to me. She survived a great deal and came to a horrible end. I also extend a thought to that incompetent youth who was saddled with this horrendous task. He must have had terrible nights for who knows how long afterward. Another stroke against Henry to make other people bear this sort of burden.

[@lucretciaseven4873]

It would seem that the better your treatment right before you died directly corresponded to the level of Henry's guilt over fabricating proof of the guilt necessary to execute you, he also treated Anne Boleyn fairly well while she waited in the tower.

[@sheilacabral662]

She was actually the governess of princess mary. She was also in charge of helping out Catherine of Aragon with whom she became great friends with even though her brother teddy was executed so that Catherine of Aragon would come to England and marry Arthur. She also came into importance as to whether or not the princess first marriage to be consummated. She was constantly questioned by Henry the eights grandmother the evil witch. All her life, she was always forced to back off but in her own way she rebelled in her own way. She remained a great friend and supporter of princess Mary. She is one of my favorite characters.

[@sian2337]

Ah, I'm so glad I found your channel. I've been watching The White Princess and wanted more info. (I know the series is not accurate, but I enjoy learning the true stories as I'm watching). I really enjoyed the White Queen, kind of enjoyed TWP, but I'm really struggling with the Spanish Princess series, I know Henry was tall, but I've never seen such a tall 10 year old.

[@oliviahansen87]

Wow. I really enjoy you’re videos. You are great at story telling.Thank you for sharing them with us

[@lawandawillis3846]

Is anyone else here because they are binge watching on stars...The winter Princess and the Spanish princess❤❤