Dr. Manhattan vs Superman! | Doomsday Clock

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[@comicpop]

If you wanna buy Doomsday Clock, you can! amzn.to/3p9tStD

[@Insane-Howl-Cowl]

"I see John Kent reach for another helping of biscuit and gravy and move it 6 inches away. In his fullness, he doesn't eat it. Then he avoids a heart attack years later." - Dr. Manhatten

[@spoonlolol2]

That’s brilliant

[@randomman4628]

I am cackling like a madman at 1 in the morning jfc

[@cyrusuchimaru8011]

@@randomman4628 I x Ok I'm kjkjk

[@mattschroeder3432]

lol i just had biscuit and gravy

[@SpiralSine6]

That’s where Pa Kent and I are different. I will *always* have room for more biscuits and gravy. I’m getting that heart attack one way or another.

[@modgodtheking6026]

"I mean if we're gonna piss on Alan Moore's face we might as well do it full stream." -Sal

[@aiursurvivor]

This episode is a testament to Sal's skills as an orator. Doomsday Clock was a fine enough read, but his telling actually makes the comic sound better.

[@homerc9101]

It was a garbage comic and only dumb people

[@accidentalmadness1708]

@@homerc9101 we’re you saying something?

[@FenixTech10]

It does get annoying when some of the stuff you want Ben and Ethan to find out over the course of the telling get told as an info dump when it’s first introduced, like the Carver Colman bit.

[@anothercleverusername992]

@@darthdragonborn1552 😂😂😂😂

[@exquisitecorpse__]

@@homerc9101 Did you get assassinated half-way through your comment?

[@Qmajjin]

I like that the resolution to the new 52, rebirth, and Watchmen was essentially Superman telling Jon to not be a dick

[@blunteastwood]

They foreshadowed Ant-man 3.

[@chrisdaily2077]

Three hours of pure procrastination and perhaps a surprise guest appearance of Salan Moore. Oh Back Issues is good to us.

[@hollowichigo24x]

Salan Moore is hilarious

[@rushjl92]

I love that impression he does 🤣

[@galvatron3323]

Salan Moore! Perfect lol

[@pinche.dieguito]

"Get in losers, we're going to Earth Prime" - Ozymandias Edit. I LOVED THIS MOMENT 1:04:33

[@TupocalypseShakur]

"Wake up losers, we got an Earth Prime to burn"

[@catlawyerwilldefendfortrea6038]

I pressed play faster than the character assassination of Wally West

[@WannabeWryter]

Heroes in Crisis and the fantabulous character Assassination of one Wally West

[@Chuckles3100]

@@WannabeWryter Still pissed about that lol

[@WannabeWryter]

@@Chuckles3100 Same with what they did to poor captain marvel in civil war 2

[@Chuckles3100]

@@WannabeWryter absolutely

[@donb7519]

@@WannabeWryter at least carols was accidental they thought she was right its just no readers did

[@Spikex1]

Coincidentally, because I've been rereading the 1980s Blue Devil series lately, I can tell you that Verner Bros. Studios is totally a pre-existing movie studio in the DC Universe. Deep cut callback right there; I love it!

[@adamjimenez6516]

RELEASE THE CRIVELLI CUT OF THE EPISODE! THE WORLD NEEDS TO SEE THAT EXTRA HOUR SAL!

[@adamjimenez6516]

but seriously, I LOVED this episode.

[@ChristopherZubin]

It's unfortunate Rebirth and Geoff lost their thunder in DC. The initiative from Rebirth to Doomsday Clock could have been the foundation for a really cool era at DC. Instead we keep getting stopgaps waiting for better material. It'd be interesting to learn what was going on behind the scenes one day.

[@Omar-wq9dz]

Another Geoff Johns story, with the shooting fingers. I never get tired of you guys doing the shooting fingers

[@billybarnett2846]

There were no shooting fingers, he had invisible guns. When I first read it, I was like hh's going to get killed. Then, OMG he actually has invisible mime guns.

[@Nerwrax15]

I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW THIS STORY AFFECTS THE FUTURE OF THE DC UNI-oooooohhh......

[@kevinbergman3784]

:(

[@a.d8509]

Does this story not affect the future of DC ?

[@Nerwrax15]

@@a.d8509 NOPE! Other comics and information was already contradicting the book before it even finished releasing. Whatever DC is gonna look like after future state, its not gonna be held to Doomsday Clock tried to set in stone.

[@franktheavocado7573]

@@Nerwrax15 nothing has been contradicted. they already explained at the end of Justice/Doom War that the evil permeating thru the universe was fracturing the timeline, so to explain how Doomsday Clock, Event Leviathan, and other stuff were happening at the same time. Death Metal is after DClock and they specifically mention how Dr Manhattan did what he did, along with every villain of every Crisis event, because Perpeatua was whispering in their ears so that each crisis would weaken the Source Wall. the delays of DClock surely did dampen their plans for it to have a more resounding effect but the J/D War arc wrapped that angle up and now with a Infinite Omniverse, everything is canon so DClcok is most assuredly, not contradicted or non impactful. It brought back the JSA and Legion of Superheroes and they found a meta way to explain the delays impact on the series.

[@Nerwrax15]

@@franktheavocado7573 using justice league to retrofit Doomsday Clock's wonky continuity and fit it back into place does not excuse Doomsday Clock being out if sync on its own at the time its story was being told. And now with the Omniverse now being thing and chucking everything into a blender under "it all happened!" Means Doomsday Clock literally does not matter, wether it happened or not, DC would still be in the place it is now regardless of the story told in Clock.

[@SpaceLice]

There is a hole in my soul that will only be filled by Sal explaining Watchmen to his parents in an episode of back issues.

[@PurpleColonel]

They might keel over, there's some messed up stuff in there

[@procyon6370]

PurpleColonel???

[@creed8712]

These things are gonna progressively get bigger until we have them sit down for a 24 hour charity livestream where Sal just talks about the history of marvel or dc in extreme detail

[@cam8584]

I’d watch the hell out of that

[@dlvnmedia]

It would need Joel and Comic Tropes and Thorgi but fuck yeah that would be awesome

[@thats_not_glue]

Eagerly awaiting this future

[@mrpink99]

They’d need to add Rob from Comics Explained at the top of every hour exclaiming “MAAAANNN…lemme tell you about (insert character name/creator/event title here)!” just to make sure we can stay awake for all 24 hours

[@joeclarke7982]

I know people dislike Doomsday Clock...but I love this story. Its all about establishing Superman as a beacon of hope and his importance in the DC universe. Seeing Superman at the end with the JSA made me feel something. Just my opinion

[@changvasejarik62]

The reality of the comics universe depended on one choice do we want a dc universe made by johns or Snyder? Better luck next time American comics industry.

[@mrpink99]

I have to say, I was pleasantly surprised at how good Doomsday Clock was.

[@joeclarke7982]

@@mrpink99 same I actually loved it and still go back to read it once a year or so. Also the stellar art def helps lol

[@alejandrovillalba3143]

​@@changvasejarik62 Well, that is not a bad choice at all They are both good writers. Snyder does this thing about adding elements just for shock value without justification but is still good at what he does. I loved his Batman and his Swamp Thing

[@PatheticApathetic]

That bit was great. I just wish they didn’t feel the need to wipe their ass with Watchmen to get there

[@taylorchance4386]

3 hour-long Doomsday Clock Back Issues, what a way to end the year.

[@Ka_Five]

My work day just got three hours less boring THREE HOURS!

[@vivi102]

This took too long to come out

[@tbone6932]

just like doomsday clock

[@peterzeppeli2563]

Legit

[@tjjordan4207]

This is the true Endgame of Back Issues!

[@gerasandoval8649]

I love how they think critically about every situation and even though they crap on them, they are IN the story. I just really like that about the three. It's fun

[@ItsTheFizz]

Alan Moore: "Superheroes would be terrifying if they existed in the real world and you should stop trying to ascribe their simplistic world view to real world issues..." Geoff Johns: "LOL NO... And maybe we should stop using a cynical satire of superhero comics as the dogmatic model to base all of our superhero comics around..." Rest of DC: "LOL NO"

[@Galvatronover]

In Moore’s defense dc got the dude from watchmen that dark and gritty meant succes automatically instead of dark and gritty only good when told well

[@bradenhogan2]

Such an accurate description of the whole situation. Comic continuity is one big LOL NO. Of course, I always say that deconstruction, by it’s very nature, is not constructive (it’s literally in the name) and so it fails to bring any value to the table when it becomes the rule and not the exception, the groundwork/linchpin for all continuity - the establishment instead of the anti-establishment. The New52 and postmodern style DC in general has given a fine example of this I think, given how often they have to reboot anew and fix everything compared to before the modern era. You have to grow to earn books like The Killing Joke, Watchmen, TDKR, Kingdom Come, etc., in order to fully appreciate them and how they flipped the genre on its head You can’t start a universe from a point of deconstruction! (I’m looking at you, Zack Snyder) But then again, those are the books that are popular and grown people love feeling like their love for superheroes in tights is validated by the dark, cynical tone and realism, so what do I know?

[@freack3333]

I couldn't help but read that Alan Moore quote in Sal's voice. 😂

[@Galvatronover]

Braden Hogan difference is those stories TDKR watchmen killing joke kingdom come are well written but people often mistakes dark for well written

[@bradenhogan2]

@@Galvatronover They are “well written” but they also aren’t trying to be the foundation of a whole new universe of stories or a new status quo. They’re all more or less self contained and exist outside of continuity. You could bring up The Killing Joke being canonized but even that’s not a leg to stand on (no pun intended) because DC editorial doesn’t have it in them to permanently leave Barbara paralyzed (you know, the DARK, REALISTIC thing to do!) You could also bring up Year One which is still probably the most popular and definitive Batman origin, but I would argue the classic, Golden Age Batman story is even more timeless because it’s simple, concise, and not as excessive as Year One, and is still the basic skeleton Year One is built on When DC acquired the rights to Charlton characters, they hired Alan Moore to write their first big story with these new characters. On paper, the decision makes 100% sense because Alan Moore was the most talented writer in the world at the time. When Moore turned in the script, they loved it but knew it would not be the proper way to introduce these characters to mainstream audiences for the purposes of establishing a sustainable status quo, so Alan Moore was told to turn them into original analogs and do whatever he wanted with them. That story would become, arguably, the best comic book to ever see publication. It wasn’t the start of a whole new universe, nor was it intended to be. It was a stand alone title. You can’t break the toys as you’re assembling them!

[@alva33]

Considering how horrible this year was for most (if not everyone), a three hour episode of back issues at the end of the year is like a late Christmas present. Keep up the good work my dudes, and also Thank You!

[@seankensing]

“If we’re gonna piss on Alan Moore’s face, we might as well do it full-stream” 🤣🤣🤣

[@hobowagonable]

After the tenth time watching this I just have to say Sal is a fucking God of editing; cutting this from 4 hrs to 3hrs is insane. You have my eternal respect just for that.

[@BlueJaguarRanger]

“Geoff Johns will do it someday” is probably the truest thing in this video. In the early 2000’s in Stars and STRIPE he set up the death of the Crimson Avenger, and in 2021 he tells that story in a Stargirl Spring Break Special.

[@Wiklina616]

I love how doomsday clock kind of loops around on itself, and justifies new 52 (in my eyes at least) because this story is INACESSIBLE to anyone who does not read comics for years.

[@SterlingOladapominiiglo]

As someone told me once "It's a good DC Universe continuity shaking story but its a poorly written Watchmen story" I personally like it

[@HYPERHEROIC]

The counterpart to Firestorm is called Pozar (Пожар), because that’s the Russian word for fire

[@samchafin4623]

Pozar looks much cooler in Cyrillic. Someone should make t-shirts!

[@thewilhelmscream7912]

Fun AND educational!!!!

[@TupocalypseShakur]

Now that I know what it means it's a disappointing name

[@glassofgas8631]

@@TupocalypseShakur well pozhar is that kind of fire when something is burning. In Russian pozhar has really negative meaning because it's only used when "there's fire in woods, the hospital is on fire" and etc. Generally fire is called ogon' (огонь) in Russian. Hope this will make Pozhar's name a little bit more badass to you

[@NoahWelday]

Between Red Raider and Tobin Ray, I absolutely love Ben's recollection of proper nouns.

[@samchafin4623]

Alright, I know this is hardly the most important point to make about this story, but... you can't keep pancakes with butter and syrup on them under foil and expect them to be any good for more than 10 minutes, and Alfred would have known that.

[@sketcher445]

Alfred absolutely knew that and did it anyway out of spite

[@bradenhogan2]

The episode length is proportionate to how long it took the book to come out

[@dansayles]

I do like how the entire story is to simply make Doctor Manhattan realize that he can actually change how things are going in the Watchmen universe

[@ImaDoomvenger]

It’s 2022 now. There’s still hope for secret crisis in 2030 crossover! Lol

[@MattDraper]

You've got pretty eyes, Sal.

[@virgilbarrios3174]

When's part 3 of your Grant Morrison Batman video?

[@daelen.cclark]

Indeed he does.

[@emilcorday]

Verner Bros was actually a fictional company from the OMAC backup series in Warlord. Man, that's a deep cut.

[@hyaena23]

Rewatching this made me think that if Sal's parents ever come back to the show, it would be awesome to see the original watchmen. Love you guys ❤

[@jakewyllie8324]

All the heroes go to mars and I am shocked no one on the couch said "get you're ass to mars" total recall style.

[@batnick4433]

2:45:58 At the end of Watchmen, Laurie and Dan talk to Sally Jupiter and explain about their new plans and it’s shown that their identities have been changed. The government knows Laurie from when she and Dr. Manhattan lived together. She and Dan are considered fugitives. They actually have blonde hair at the end of the book.

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

Aaaaaaaaaaand Favorited... *Reggie:* "Oh no, Adrian! Looks like the Reds are nuking everything! What are we going to do?" *Adrian:* "..." _smirks_

[@FatSnorlax]

"We call... The Watchmen!"

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

"Stronger together, united forever! They're the best of frieeeeends! But when trouble's about, you would best watch out..."

[@FatSnorlax]

@@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache "For The Watchmen!!!"

[@phillipjohnson8903]

1:51:25 Just the idea of Dr. Manhattan threatening to recon peoples orgins is the funniest thing I've heard all day

[@jordanhughes5127]

MY HEART AND STARS. 2020 ain’t so bad after all. Thank you for this gift dudes

[@billybarnett2846]

I didn't know where the story was going in this comic but I knew it was going to be a fun ride. This series turned to be a love letter to the importance of Superman.

[@1wordFyga]

I just finished reading this seconds ago and got on to see ComicPop's episode of this, not even realizing you haven't done it until now! What timing, it's so unreal! I blame Doctor Manhattan

[@nicwaterfill2931]

I’ve been looking forward to one of my favorite comic critics covering my favorite Geoff Johns written story. To anyone who reads this comic, we are all free to disagree, so let’s be fair to each other. But Sal, you and the others have been part of what’s keeping me smiling through this horrible year since I discovered you guys back in February, I want to thank you guys for being awesome this year.

[@thedukeofchutney468]

I’m really happy to see that someone else enjoyed this story! Everyone’s been crapping in it for ages, but I honestly thought it was really good. It felt like a return to classic golden/silver age DC.

[@nicwaterfill2931]

@@thedukeofchutney468 I’ve been looking forward to every issue as they came out. I even think this story has one of the most satisfying endings I’ve read.

[@thedukeofchutney468]

@@nicwaterfill2931 100% agreed!

[@nicwaterfill2931]

@@thedukeofchutney468 That shot of Superman with the JSA and The Legion stays in my head as it shows the Man of Steel leading by example. “In time, they will join you in the sun. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders.”

[@nicwaterfill2931]

@@thedukeofchutney468 We can also agree that Gary Frank’s artwork is amazing.

[@Bobbybillybillbob]

At the end of Geoff Johns Green Lantern run, he "cemented" Sinestros future til the end of time, yet that has drastically changed off course 🤣

[@HYPERHEROIC]

This is the best Christmas gift ever! Merry Christmas guys!

[@joeytemplin1667]

Wait how did u post this 5 days ago when this came out 1 hour ago?

[@amirgunn4624]

@@joeytemplin1667 patreon gets it early

[@joeytemplin1667]

@@amirgunn4624 ah alright that makes more sense lol

[@zackerywarme9034]

Amir Gunn had my brain broke for a min😂

[@royal6827]

Dr.Manhattan as a KZbin commenter.

[@jonfrombuckland_3784]

What better way to finish off this hell of a year but with Doomsday Clock?!

[@t.l3846]

Makes sense

[@wdcain1]

In summery: DC Comics: Everything is canon. Marvel Comics: Nothing is canon.

[@Gundam_JAY]

Nope it's more like DC comics: everything is cannon but only ln that corner of the multiverse Marvel: everything is cannon but only when we feel like it. (Ex. Donald blake, Ironman starting in the 60's but still looking like he's in his 30's, spiderman still in high-school.)

[@unchartedknight0193]

I never realized the John Kent and Jon Osterman connection This book may not be the best but that is a massive but cool coincidence

[@sangera]

I love Gary Frank's Joker in this.

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

Ethans facepalm to hearing Marionette and Mime stay in the DC universe is hilarious.

[@Katekyo504]

Man that was an adventure. My idea for the ending of this series was bringing in this character called Kid Eternity who can summon HIstorical and Mythical Beings. And he just summons Alan Moore and he just goes, "You were just a paycheck and nothing more" to Dr. Manhattan The End lol

[@KRSeriphem]

I just figured mime painted all his stuff with invisible paint given that Rochach's mask is a thing in that universe

[@rcct44444]

I thought it was mirrors since his family owned a glass shop it could have played a part in his origin

[@MightyArgos]

I always presumed that Mime was telekinetic.

[@KRSeriphem]

My own theory comes from the fact that Marionette never questions anything regarding how mime kills people not did she argue the trip to the locker to pick up his gear in the prison. Also the angle in the panel after he shoots the goon in the head shows smoke coming out of the silhouette of a pistol. And in watchmen dr manhattan and ozimandias' created crazy tech advancements. So, like with the ink bloch mask I assume some company created a substance that made things invisible and he capitalized on it.

[@danejohnson9906]

“Superman landed 25 years ago, so the 80’s” sorry to make y’all feel old but that’s 1995

[@SpiralSine6]

“25 years ago” from Flashpoint would be 1986, so it kinda works

[@danejohnson9906]

@@SpiralSine6 ahhhh fair enough

[@HollowGolem]

@@SpiralSine6 yeah the big problem is that Flashpoint came out nine years ago.

[@kevinbergman3784]

:(

[@driveasandwich6734]

wait so Rebirth Clark is only 25?

[@SpiralSine6]

What a way to capstone this strangest timeline that is 2020.

[@atayamohammad0]

The thing that confuses me is that there is a Legion in the New 52 in the second arc of Grant Morrison’s Action Comics

[@comixproviderftw_02]

To be fair, the was little to no communication between Grants Morrisons Action Comics run and George Perez’s New 52 Superman run in terms of continuity.

[@LilBitDistributist]

I think stuff got reordered when Superman Reborn timeline merger happened.

[@crimsonking440]

The time has come. Now if only there was more ultimate spiderman...

[@afro4640]

Have they covered the death of peter parker yet as its own episode?

[@krukomonsterpodcast2814]

@@afro4640 nope

[@KRSeriphem]

THREE HOURS? This is the best way to end this year ever! The review is longer than the watchmen movie

[@milliondotz]

The best part is hearing the passion coming from Sal. It brings so much life into the story, that Johns would want. I really lovethe ideas formulated throughout this story. It may not be perfect, but the Manhatten/Superman stuff is honestly really beautiful to listen too. Great job Sal, happy New Years to the Comic Pop team!!!!

[@TheTheDontae]

Comic pop out here giving out late Christmas presents. Like holy shit thank you guys happy Early new year so all and good luck with 2021

[@Mattkeyz1]

The boys did it. Took me a day and a half to finish it, but dammit did I love every second of it. Proud of you guys for going this far and still keeping on the rails when all was said and done. Here's to many more and I hope you all have a damn good new years eve and a better new year.

[@omarkarim2280]

Man, i remember watching this while waiting for my Covid Test. Kept me entertained the whole time, thanks Sal!

[@rudrakshmalik7202]

89.8k were almost to that 100k guys Im so happy for y’all! Thanks for making this year less drab for all of us, hopefully yours went as well as it could Sal! 2021 is gonna be ComicPoP’s year!

[@Sicod79]

Holy crap Sal, KZbin threw his in my home feed. We went to college together and lived in the Substance Free House together (although I was a senior when you were a freshmen I think). I had the video cued up before I realized it was you. I hope things are going well for you.

[@jmsolano0516]

I actually kinda like the ending with the Clark H thing Honestly the story is actually really good. The only problem is that its so dense

[@EmissionSpectrumBand]

"If we´re gonna piss on Alan Moore's face, might as well do it full stream." - Geoff Johns, probably

[@flexorlamonticus]

When I initially read this, I felt like it was amazing as a mainstream DC comic (seeing Gardner cuss was almost worth the price of admission alone), but a bit tepid as a Watchmen sequel (that's fine, though). The "every universe exists somewhere" thing was particularly mind-blowing at the time. I love to think that 90s JLI and campy silver age World's Finest and Camalot 3000 etc. etc. all "exist" out there somewhere along with the New 52 and Dark Knight and post Crisis DC. Watching this video makes me want to go back and reread this series again! Thanks!

[@swguygardner]

For the record, there was in fact a new 52 legion of superheroes. There were at least 2 books, L.o.S and Legion Lost, which did a crossover with Teen Titans and Superboy. Another thing is that, in the New 52, Firestorm's origin didn't even have Martin Stein as a part of the duo, it was Jason Rusch and Ronnie Raymond as seperate individual Firestorms before they eventually formed a single individual (Fury of Firestorm: The Nuclear Men). Johns didn't both to check the continuity of the characters, whose continuity was imperative to the story he was telling :/

[@thegreyinitiate3680]

THREE HOURS???? I’m not complaining, I’m just super excited. I’ve watched the “X-tra” long HoX and PoX episode countless times. I’ve found my new rewatch

[@hellmaker51]

Watching this video and remembering Dr. Manhattans whole scheme, it honestly reminds me of the Shin Megami Tensei lore the whole thing with the Axiom and the Great Will created Messiahs to stop YHVH from screwing up everything. The Great Will is just the meta universe and Dr. Manhattan is YHVH.

[@galvatron3323]

Oh boy. What a way to end this year. Thanks to everyone in Comicpopland for everything this year ye guys keep on keeping on. Happy New Year Sal,Tiff Ben,Ethan and not to forget Danielle....which i did when wishing you guys a merry xmas.

[@vicentegeonix]

Danielle is still in comicpop? 😮

[@jclombardi8471]

My Therapist: The 3-hour Back Issues isn't real, it can't hurt you. The 3-hour Back Issues:

[@alexsilva28]

Every time I see one of these long Back Issues videos I'm reluctant to click on it but every single time I watch the whole thing and its over before I even notice. This was no exception

[@caboose3708]

What a way to end the year; Sal, Ben, Ethan, Tiffany, thank you for making this horrible year tolerable with the content you put out. Always makes my days much better when I get a notification that tells me ComicPop has a new video. Happy New Year’s guys and lady!! Be safe and here’s to a new year full of new content 🍾

[@HomeNuke]

The way I interpret the "rebirth" of everyone's histories is like the superman debacle. Post-crisis Kal merged with New 52 Superman and now they kind of have a shared history. The same concept, but universe-wide. A shared post-crisis/New 52 timeline.

[@andrews4717]

Conceptually I like the black freighter interludes, it kinda parallels the way Jon sees the world. Split up between different times and scenes

[@AugustNerdinIron]

This is easily my favorite episode of Back Issues

[@joshuaharper1206]

Re: why does Dr. Manhattan not see the conversation with Superman: it's not explicitly stated as the reason but it's mentioned many times in this book that Firestorm and Pozhar constantly emit tachyons, which are time altering particles that also give Manhattan his powers. Since Pozhar is sneaking up right behind him right when Superman is about to punch or crumpled on the floor next to him during the conversation, it's reasonable to assume the tachyons fuck with any time travel/future seeing powers. Re: the Metaverse: the previous metaverse universes (Earth 1985, Earth New 52, etc) are not part of the multiverse, but are more like overwritten files on a computer. The top, current reality, is the "real" one, but the previous ones still exist "underneath" and continue in their own continuity, which is what The Button shows us with the Flashpoint universe. The previous universes may even have their own multiverse with versions of Earth 2 and Earth 3, etc.

[@famousthaneus9810]

To your first point: That seems highly unlikely given how powerful Manhattan is. If that were the case, that would mean that any amount of tachyon emission, even the most minuscule, would create gaps in his precog ability. It’s fine for some things to just be narrative oversight, or just simply excused because the writers wrote themselves into a corner

[@joshuaharper1206]

@@famousthaneus9810 I don't see why that necessarily means any amount of tachyon emissions would affect his powers. Firestorm/Pozhar are both pretty powerful so I assume it's not a miniscule amount. And he was RIGHT there, so it's pretty limited in its effectiveness. It also didn't stop his powers as a whole. Even if it was a weakness, so what? He can write him to have a weakness.

[@franlaris8553]

The moral of the story with the whole jhons fucking around with watchmen is don't bastardize other people's stuff and be surprised when they do it to you. The whole ending with Clark becoming the omnipotent active "watcher" of the watchmen universe spits in the face of one of the central themes in watchmen (who watches the watchmen?).

[@r.babylon2885]

"I know how to make air!" "DO YOU?!" Took me back to No Game, No Life. Because, no, odds are he really wouldn't.

[@Martin_TheCollector]

WOWSERS!! Didn't expect to see this book getting covered this year. Sal is full of surprises.

[@coreymcgivney5897]

This is truly back issues: the movie

[@tjjordan4207]

I don't think Geoff Johns understood what Dr. Manhattan meant by the "Nothing ever ends" monologue at the conclusion of Watchmen. Adrian was reflecting on his actions and wondering if they were worth it in the end, to which Dr. Manhattan replies "End? Nothing ever ends, Adrian." To me, Dr. Manhattan was saying that human conflict is endless as long as humanity lives, that not even the world's smartest man can end it with a complex masterplan. And that Adrian will not find any closure from this because his dream of a unified world without war is flawed and was always going to be in vain. It is within human nature to keep fighting each other when there is no threat to be found. Dr. Manhattan was talking about the idea of war, hatred, death, sacrifice, and even love being endless because they are bound to happen again. If anything, the real lesson I got from it is that everyone should make good choices for themselves, not for the world. With this sequel, Geoff Johns seems to think that Dr. Manhattan meant everything like "everything" never ends. I could be wrong about that but with how Johns usually misinterprets previous stories from other writers and is always retconning them, I think that's what happened here.

[@ironbot2226]

*Uploaded 43 minutes ago* this is about to make this 8 hour car ride some much better

[@Eudaimonia239]

I liked doomsday clock a lot, too bad johns lost control of dc and everything went back to new 52 territory after this story ended.

[@franktheavocado7573]

ah yes, the new 52 with lots of pre 52 characters making their return and a infinite omniverse instead of 52 universes

[@donb7519]

@@franktheavocado7573 i think he means the grimdarkness of the new 52 hence why he said new 52 territory

[@kiko1935]

Man, aside from RLM I can't think of another channel that is this consistently entertaining, thanks doods.

[@chriswimberley7511]

I was 1 hour in, looked at the episode length and said “3 hours!!” 😂 sure is a good day

[@kazual6149]

I'm a big Wildstorm fan & arguably Grifter looks awesome but I have no idea where this new affinity for him at DC has come from. My guess Tynions a WS fan. I've always been more of a Stormwatch, Authority, Gen13, Planetary type of guy.

[@ComicsLamar]

Superman’s speech to Manhattan made me legit cry. Beautifully written Superman moment.

[@williamgazca6641]

12/30/20 @ 10:15pm- gonna spend the first hour of 2021 with the comic pop family. Thank you for always being a source of entertainment and comfort for me...i wish for comic pop and the population a blessed 2021.

[@nickhammond680]

I can not give this enough likes. I was so hyped for this story as well as this episode. Loved GJ's run on Green Lantern, and really thought they were going to reveal that the Hand of Creation was Dr Manhatton.. which obviously didn't happen. Though it could've been just looked at as a cash grab, I thought it turned out pretty well. It had the potential to be so much more.. but it had the chance to be much worse. In the end it landed somewhere in the middle. Thanks you guys for finally reviewing this!

[@hobbes6392]

Good lord, 3 hours?! Making me feel bad for not getting you guys something for Christmas

[@dharmabird1]

Listening to this again made me realize that the new DC movie universe needs a Coulson not necessarily a Fiege.

[@Grassdragon193]

I felt the strongest part of the story was the issue from Manhattan's point of view, how he kept undoing continuity and the universe kept making Superman and superheroes happen. Especially the end, where he realises he is inaction and Superman is the man of Action. Good way to tie a bow around DC comics as a whole.

[@benhramiak8781]

2:03:57 my favourite moment of the episode

[@ryanmiller6103]

With all the snow I went back and listened to this again. One of my favorites you guys have done. Would you be covering kings rorschach anytime soon? Or strange adventures?

[@josenieves7514]

Love it when Sal's answer to a question is Yes!...but...."

[@polyglotprogrammer]

Can we get a 3+ hour couch session for Watchmen!!! This is so awesome. More videos this length please. Take all the time you guys need (when applicable of course 😂).

[@tenaciousdfan66]

Really enjoyed this episode guys!! I know it must've been a lot of work to put together and edit so thank you!!! Thoroughly enjoyed all three hours!

[@jackforbes1082]

Ok, maybe this is nitpicky, but how did no one at DC realize that CHANGING PAST EVENTS is NOT one of Dr. Manhattan's powers!? In fact, he can't even time travel, like at all. He just has awareness of all time (that he's existed for), but can't actually change anything based on that knowledge.

[@shauntempley9757]

Being in DC clearly gave him access to that power.

[@TommyBaysMusic]

"Did ya get that thing I sent ya?........Dat thing I sent to you?"