Dr. Manish Pandit on the dating of Mahabharata Part 4

[@satyanandaagyani3151]

Pleased to see that at last somebody had the brain capacity to show the real truth on Arundhati Vasisth and happy to see that Pgurus brought Dr Manish Pandit to show it to the world. Superlative presentation by you doctor, hope to see many more such discussions on this channel featuring Dr Pandit.

[@suhasinidasi3126]

Hare Krishna. Too right. Hare Krishna.

[@SaraswatiFilms]

Pranaam and Dhanyawaad.

[@suhasinidasi3126]

Hare Krishna. Prabhuji Dr Pandit ji has such a disinterested manner when he explains the Mahabharata that he appears to be like a sage himself. Loved every minute of this one. Hare Krishna.

[@SaraswatiFilms]

Pranaam. Dhanyawaad

[@kanchanavasudevan4509]

RV: Excellent and Convincing Talk: For part 3, I had some Questions/ comments . Particularly date of Avatara and Exit of SriKrishna and I was hoping to get them covered in the Part 4. However I feel they have been missed. Hope they are covered in future discussions.

[@SaraswatiFilms]

Pranaam and Dhanyawaad. Will answer them next time.

[@satyanandaagyani3151]

I just watched part 3 and 4 back to back. Pardon me for posting this comment. I would love it if in the next part could Dr Pandit show what happens when the Kartik full moon is taken to be within the war? I presume that this huge error must be in Mr Oak's idea of 5561bc? BTW Dr Pandit must congratulate you on your guts on going to Delhi and facing Mr Oak who slandered every researcher insinuating that they are dogs and giving a patient and cool face without losing your temper. We must all learn from you.

[@suhasinidasi3126]

Hare Krishna. Here is an impartial synopsis of the debate between the two in Delhi: Hare Krishna datingthemahabharata.blogspot.com

[@SaraswatiFilms]

Check my Twitter account @mmpandit for more on this.

[@visalg]

I am familiar with Shri Nilesh Oakji as well as Shri Vartak and others. Shri Nilesh Oakji's explanation about Arundhati Vashista theory then convinced me a little that perhaps 5561BC is indeed the date. Then came Shri Narasimha Rao (vedicastrologer and creator of Jagannatha Hora software) who pointed out to Shri Manish Panditji. Now I am stunned. It is like Lord Shri Krishna simply guides one when one wants to know the truth. The way Shri Manish Panditji explains the Arundhati Vashista theory is soo good, I cannot stop smiling. Incredible. I love all the researchers for their hard work and dedication. I will ofcourse check out other researchers and will also check out Shri Nilesh Oakji's presentations. Still, my heart says that Shri Manish Panditji is correct in how he is so humble in explaning and verifying the date of 3067BC. There is another researcher, a Mataji (Shrimati Jayashri Saranathanji) wrote Myth of The Epoch of Arundhati of Nilesh. Will check this out as well. Also, again, how Arundhati Vashishta theory of Shri Nilesh Oakji is debunked here in such simple words has me stunned. My koti koti pranams. Jaya Shri Rama!!

[@nikhilparmar1653]

Please interview Nilesh Oak too sir. He is the one whom we want to see interviewed.

[@suhasinidasi3126]

Hare Krishna. Prabhuji Dr Pandit ji is correct on most of his points and Prabhu Nilesh ji is wrong on most of his points. In terms of how many points are wrong, Prabhuji Nilesh ji simply cannot escape the fact that he mistakes a late waning phase Moon for a waxing phase, does not prove Balarama's pilgrimage which Prabhuji Dr pandit ji does and Prabhuji Nilesh Oak ji misses the most important data which proves that the AV observation is also wrong in his hypothesis. Prabhuji Nilesh ji has had a long time on social media as an astronomer and is hence a known quantity whereas Prabhuji Dr pandit ji was only known as a great film maker before the debate. Even then, the very fact that people like me who used to implicitly back Prabhuji Nileshji so much for years and his date of 5561bc have now come to back Prabhuji Dr Pandit ji in a space of 3 months. (Thanks to Prabhuji Dr pandit ji making his book available for free web share and social media for this). Here is a taster of why people like me have changed sides and back Prabhuji Dr Pandit now. Hare Krishna datingthemahabharata.blogspot.com

[@choudhurysaheb8326]

Study the works of ex ISRO scientist Jijith Ravi's works of last of his video in Sangam Talks. There too Nilesh Oak is debunked

[@Iyago0RoaDBoXeR]

Please post link of dr. Manish book.

[@MilindJoshiPune]

Manish sir, the explaination of new meaning of the words "पृष्ठतः कृतः" as "abandoned" is really amazing and convincing. However, taking अङ्गारक and बृहस्पति to be commets looks to be a bit beyond imagination. Maharshi Vyasa would not call commets as Mars and Jupiter. Secondly, the destruction of two armies seems to be related to Mars only from the singular word forms "करिष्यति" and "महाग्रहः".

[@SaraswatiFilms]

Pranaam Milind. Actually there is a tradition of calling comets by the name of their fathers. This tradition comes from Grahaputra tradition if memory serves right from Atharvaveda parishistha. Varahamihira also has such a tradition. However, let us for one moment explore your idea bit further. If at all Vyasa meant these two grahas to be as they are worded, then Brihaspati is in two separate positions nearly 80 degrees apart in the space of verse 13 to verse 25 of the same chapter (3) of Bhisma Parva ie. at Vishakha and at Shravana. Thus with two conflicting positions, both these positions of Jupiter become extremely weak leaving only the verse from Karna Parva as the firm favourite afflicting Rohini (from Ashwini). Now let’s consider Angaraka. It’s position is either retrograde at Magha or before Jyestha/Anuradha. In the latter case two adjacent positions are mentioned, whereas in former only one position is mentioned. Hence we can take the latter to be stronger. In any case, Saturn at Rohini is always fixed and so together with Jupiter at Ashwini (and in Gandanta post retrograde movement so it’s bright as described) we can biangulate and come to a year in which Mars is at either of the two positions. Again you will land at 3067BCE. So in any case one will land at 3067BCE, no other year

[@pushkarkelkar5971]

Ages of Shri Krishn and Arjuna was missed in this hangout. Bhishma was lying on bed of arrows for 88 days. From 10th day of the war till jeshta shudh paksha ashtami. Does this calculation match as well?

[@utubetruthteller]

Sankalpa, I didn't know about that but beauties of Hinduism is that there are multiple ways of reaching to god there is no one ways like Abrahamic religions.

[@ssridhar440]

Mr Iyer any Video on Dr. Manish dating of Ramayan?

[@narayananseetharaman8656]

Excellent research and apt explanation to erase the wrong interpretation of the half baked antihindus

[@JayeshPatel.Nilkanth]

Can some put part 3 of this series I can't find it thanks

[@ssridhar440]

Pl clarify how viewing from Bengaluru AV position are considered when all the incidents occurred in Hastinapur..not clear..so Sage Vyasa's description is based on viewing from one position...pl clarify

[@SaraswatiFilms]

Pranaam. Yes, the point of that Bengaluru latitude is simply that all latitudes south of a point somewhere in middle India will show Arundhati as a Pativrata whereas in North India that may or may not be the case. It’s simply to show that the theory would not be universal in space after showing it was not universal in time. Hope that answers the question.

[@ssridhar440]

@@SaraswatiFilms We understand viewing from different position we can see, but the point is Vyasa saw from one position for both Nilshji & Manish ji. Even if Manishji says Vyasa might have seen from Close to Badrinath makes a bit stronger. Manishji mentions AV positon before 35 years i.e. just before Marriage of Draupadi with pandavas & after Yudhister's Coronation, was there a bad omen. What was the duration of AV ?

[@aghildyal]

Sree, are we going to see Nilesh Oak present his case in a similar manner?

[@anulkd5541]

I think Nilesh Oak should be given one chance just like Mr. pandit...

[@suhasinidasi3126]

Hare Krishna. Prabhuji Dr Pandit ji is correct on most of his points and Prabhu Nilesh ji is wrong on most of his points. In terms of how many points are wrong, Prabhuji Nilesh ji simply cannot escape the fact that he mistakes a late waning phase Moon for a waxing phase, does not prove Balarama's pilgrimage which Prabhuji Dr pandit ji does and Prabhuji Nilesh Oak ji misses the most important data which proves that the AV observation is also wrong in his hypothesis. Prabhuji Nilesh ji has had a long time on social media as an astronomer and is hence a known quantity whereas Prabhuji Dr pandit ji was only known as a great film maker before the debate. Even then, the very fact that people like me who used to implicitly back Prabhuji Nileshji so much for years and his date of 5561bc have now come to back Prabhuji Dr Pandit ji in a space of 3 months. (Thanks to Prabhuji Dr pandit ji making his book available for free web share and social media for this). Here is a taster of why people like me have changed sides and back Prabhuji Dr Pandit now. Hare Krishna datingthemahabharata.blogspot.com

[@choudhurysaheb8326]

Lol just watch the video of ex ISRO scientist Jijith Ravi's works in his last video of Sangam Talks. There too Oak is debunked

[@srinivasshastry7497]

Great video by Shri Dr Manish Pandit ji, except for some unnecessary and irritating interventions of the facilitator

[@naveen508001]

Imagine a dream wherein someone is chasing and trying to hurt you, and you wake up all of a sudden. Your heartbeat is at its peak. In the above scenario, is the dream real, unreal or has it happened? On the physical plane (body) if we measure, only the heartbeat increase is seen. Some better measuring tools can show some brain activity. The question remains as to what has happened and has it happened. Mahabharata is known to have all the knowledge of the Vedas (Universe). So if you take any concept it has to be there is the epic. Let us see if Quantum mechanics is there in the epic. The dating of Mahabharata is an ongoing thing with each researcher coming up with a different date and having some points which support their observation. We see the Quantum mechanics principle of the act of observation affecting the outcome. So has Mahabharata happened? As you keep analysing this, it will make you question "the happening" itself. What does it mean to say that something has happened. This might sound crazy but as said Mahabharata should help us in understanding all the knowledge of the universe and this is a fundamental thing being questioned here. Our understanding of happening is limited and that needs to be corrected so that the question is answered itself. First, we have to be clear that not everything is happening in the physical plane and is visible. A celestial vision is needed to see things. Vyasa had given the vision briefly to Drupada (father of Draupadi) during the discussion if having five husbands is dharma, explaining the story behind it. Let us see an analogy for better understanding. If someone asks Is God there. The answer would depend on their existing understanding of God. That is the reason we have varied descriptions of God and as your understanding grows things become clear. The same has to be extended to happening. As is the case with the dream (happening inside a body) everything is happening within the entity called the Universe.

[@mvslakhminarayana5976]

Rishis and Siddhas manifest in astral bodies for those who have capacity to cognise them.

[@SaraswatiFilms]

Absolutely true

[@balakrishnapanicker.5804]

Astro Mahabharata logics ,rare experience of our planet ,Pranamam sir.

[@mvslakhminarayana5976]

Sankalpa is alignment with space and time.

[@ramkrishnan1626]

Vysa muniver can meet adhi shankra if he tranceded time....won't he ....

[@SaraswatiFilms]

Yes precisely. Hence called a Rishi. (Not modern day titles)

[@KrishnaKaliyuga]

What is the book name by Sree Iyer

[@PGurus1]

Who pained my State purple?

[@KrishnaKaliyuga]

@@PGurus1 Thank you

[@ashishpatel350]

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[@anulkd5541]

Mr. Iyer why don't you bring in Mr. Nilesh to present his views...

[@ssridhar440]

I have seen a debate of the two..Nilesh admits ignoring the points of Manish & Manish agrees not much stress on Arundati Vasishta..i wish they sit together come with a date ...

[@NileshOak]

@@ssridhar440 Namaskar. Somebody forwarded your comment from here (KZbin) to me. What do you mean when you write "Nilesh admits ignoring the points of Manish"? What are these points of Manish and where do I ignore them? Where do I admit ignoring them? Thank you.

[@suhasinidasi3126]

​@@ssridhar440 Hare Krishna. Prabhuji Dr Pandit ji is correct on most of his points and Prabhu Nilesh ji is wrong on most of his points. In terms of how many points are wrong, Prabhuji Nilesh ji simply cannot escape the fact that he mistakes a late waning phase Moon for a waxing phase, does not prove Balarama's pilgrimage which Prabhuji Dr pandit ji does and Prabhuji Nilesh Oak ji misses the most important data shown in this video which proves that the AV observation is also wrong in his hypothesis. Prabhuji Nilesh ji has had a long time on social media as an astronomer and is hence a known quantity whereas Prabhuji Dr pandit ji was only known as a great film maker. Even then, the very fact that people like me who used to implicitly back Prabhuji Nileshji so much for years and his date of 5561bc have now come to back Prabhuji Dr Pandit ji in a space of 3 months. (Thanks to Prabhuji Dr pandit ji making his book available for free web share and social media for this). Here is a taster of why people like me have changed sides and back Prabhuji Dr Pandit now. Hare Krishna datingthemahabharata.blogspot.com

[@choudhurysaheb8326]

@@NileshOak Your theories are not even supported by any Archaeological evidence. Then why peddling such falsehood repeatedly ? Just prove where domesticated horses used to pull carts before 3500BC