Dr Matt 💪VERSUS Dr Mike 💪a friendly discussion on eccentrics

[@Justo777]

Btw I heard from a video by Alex Leonidas that you got your PHD now. Many congratulations! 🎊 🍾 🎉 Thanks for your humbleness not to bragging around your new alphabet and just focusing on creating great content! Amazing coach and amazing guy! Please continue to keep it real!

[@WenningStrength]

Trying my best buddy

[@rudolphrictor5167]

A "callout" video that's actually just a nuanced discussion of the facts, and different outcomes and techniques for different needs? Unheard of! Excellent as always Matt.

[@APR702]

In my opinion The ability to produce force quickly is much more real life applicable like u said . Quick eccentrics are awesome for explosive power when done safely of course

[@WenningStrength]

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[@ZEvenEsh]

Context is king!! Most training methods have a time and a place but the key is they are specific to the individuals experience, ability levels, history of injuries, and what are their goals. Lots to think about before dismissing something.🏆🏆 Unless of course it’s just for more likes and views, then that KZbinr needs to make videos with everything using scare tactics🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️

[@WenningStrength]

So much is misunderstood on the dynamic day - and seems very few actually want to learn

[@seankendall5236]

This goes great along the lines of the ultimate answer to all questions about the effectiveness of one thing or the other: "It depends" 😁

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

Im so glad you touched on this on topic. I've had numerous people tell me stuff I do out of your manuals is "useless" because they heard it from Israetel.

[@WenningStrength]

Welp here ya go!!!! My stuff may not be mainstream but it’s backed and been done by me for decades

[@ogdenville]

Dr. Mike is pretty smart, but his focus is too narrow. Unless something is supposedly "optimal for hypertrophy" he is quick to dismiss its other merits.

[@Justo777]

I love his old stuff. Lately they are more or less a replay. They tuned to be more a click bait. Matt, you got something real here. Awesome!

[@Strongman_Sutton]

Congrats on the PHD!

[@WenningStrength]

🙏🙏🙏

[@marshallore6869]

Been doing Wenning warmups. Working great, especially before my max effort work 💪

[@paulwaters4672]

I would always divebomb my raw bench & never got hurt ..I made so many lifters mad cause they would tell me how stupid it was but it worked for me .. Great Video!!!

[@DavidChristian-nn8re]

The amount I have learned in just a year has been astounding, it just proves how much nonsense is being shoved in our faces. So glad I live close to train under Matt!

[@WenningStrength]

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[@atsilverine]

Great video! My own bench press technique has sometimes been criticized for the fact that I lower the bar really quickly to my chest... with that technique, however, I have set my own records in military bench press competitions. Why waste any energy on the eccentric phase of the lift? Of course, the technique must be practiced so that the performance is as consistent as possible every time.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@bobbyhelsel1160]

I understand what Mike Dr. Mike does and sells because and I just saw the last comment and I know not everyone’s trying to be a pro bodybuilder but it’s easier for guys just to build their bodies quicker. We’re just trying to get in shape powerlifting and I love don’t get me wrong. I love, Matt’s videos too, but he’s a hard-core powerlifters and he’s a monster. Both are monsters. There’s something you can take from both people and apply it to what you wanna do about being in better shape for yourself and feeling better about yourself.

[@randomMarvelDCguy]

Brilliant video sir, we're extremely fortunate to have you on this platform I've recently watched all your elitefts podcasts with Dave Tate, some of them twice : it sounds Very much like your body of work and career is Fugin Promethean and I'll be picking up some of your manuals

[@WenningStrength]

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[@JaimeCaparo]

💯 true, here our final purpose target, etc, is PERFORMANCE, so if we use hypertrophy, power, stability, durability, or target is performance, so is very different for someone use only aesthetics hypertrophy for example.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@maxxresults3974]

I have tried this a couple times, found i need more weight or better reference point. I push your winning warmups all the time. have never had a injury when i use that for a true warm up. love the info always spot on.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@IvanCuk19]

Yep, good video. Cal Dietz discovered the deceleration and isometric holding of the weight contributing to more fibers being recruited for the concentric, aka more power. You’re absolutely right about looking at the eccentric, I noticed that’s where the reps slow down first not in the concentric, when you cannot slow down the bar speed on the way down and your amortization phase is slower then the bar speed on the way up will be slower.

[@WenningStrength]

All of its useful

[@dessertstorm7476]

does Mike even understand that not everyone is trying (and failing) to be a pro bodybuilder?

[@jesserentas7425]

😂😂😂 sneaky

[@ziyadahmedj915]

plus he injured all over

[@WenningStrength]

He’s a smart dude and very well spoken. It’s always a pleasure to speak and hang w him.

[@ziyadahmedj915]

@@WenningStrength yeh of course, he gives good advice, but for health and longevity perspective its not the best approach

[@noalane3626]

Yup his only thing going for him is he’s semi eloquent and entertaining but he’s plaguing the industry with sissy training is what I call it now …it has its time and place but , sissy is what it is haha

[@idealstrength]

Great stuff! Context is everything

[@Justo777]

Love these types of detail discussions to surface the fine points. There is this old saying “never say never”, right?

[@ultrafloss492]

Congratulations!!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@MorethanGUNZ]

Love the information and addressing this.

[@denurryden3390]

That's interesting. This probably means that fast eccentrics touch and go would be more beneficial than a paused bench or even dead bench because, in the latter two cases, the force that a lifter has to fight to overcome is the weight times acceleration due to gravity, whereas the touch and go with fast eccentrics is weight times acceleration due to gravity PLUS the extra momentum that the sped up bar accumulated at the point of reversal from eccentric to concentric. This would be crazy difficult to keep the bar under control though, but again, if I'm not mistaken at maximal weights, stabilizers on a lift are what gives out first and what makes or breaks the lift. i.e you can't lift what you can't stabilize.

[@tkempinski]

Great Video!! Thank you for explaining!

[@Indbolwebelieve]

Wenning all the way

[@petter9399]

Well said!

[@MrHittman23]

Need dr Mike to get dr Matt training some BJJ. Need your take on how to be old and train for both. Lol.

[@WenningStrength]

💯💯💯

[@Radders1433]

You competed as a powerlifter. Mike didn’t. I’ll take your opinion for powerlifting. Respect you both 🙏🙏

[@WenningStrength]

Mike did as well back in the day I believe

[@Radders1433]

Ah ok! Good to know but not to your level! 😊

[@freehatespeech6804]

@@Radders1433 He got a pretty strong overhead press. Not a lift in powerlifting, but still.

[@scott-hr3hd]

There are olympians that use French contrast training. Heavy reps in combination of rapid repeat.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@MagnusDivision]

There are plenty of videos out there of people training like idiots and dive bombing lifts that could have been used as an example vs your video which was perfectly executed dynamic bench pressing.

[@WenningStrength]

Who knows

[@Rowland_Hoskins]

thanks doc

[@daltonmason62]

Haha Dr. Matt said doo-doo... I know, I'm a child

[@PoppyJr11]

What is up with all of the spam comments lately? Looks like the channel is the lucky winner this month. 😆 On topic of the video, it reminds me of any time you do any new movement, I was always taught to master it slow first then speed will come with mastery of the movement.

[@WenningStrength]

Good question!

[@aclsass]

Congrats on the PHD🎉, which university did you attend?

[@MrHittman23]

Hey Doc. Any hope of an intermediate conjugate manual coming out.

[@WenningStrength]

Making one now

[@stevenjezyk9435]

Fast eccentric isometrics are even better 🙌

[@WenningStrength]

We do those too

[@scott-hr3hd]

I cancelled Mike when I realized he was using some bro science and not something from the institute of human anatomy.

[@WenningStrength]

He’s a good dude. It’s all about views these days. I was just concerned using my video as he knows I back what I do

[@BUFFALO_cougar_slayer]

Specifically, what?

[@williamlawlor7445]

One thing that I find confusing at times is if your using a fast eccentric under control and exploding up which would build force, why would you bother with dynamic effort? Your still training with the same intention so to speak.

[@WenningStrength]

The percentage and rep range are crucial for actual dynamic method

[@williamlawlor7445]

@@WenningStrength that's actually the hard part because everyone has different fibre types. I saw where yourself and dave tate both said you were faster than stronger by a mile (relatively speaking as your both extreamly strong) but wouldn't it make more sense in that perspective to focus on being more explosive on max day and lay off the DE work a bit.

[@noalane3626]

Dr Mike is trying his utmost to establish himself as the only authority he plays a very sneaky conniving game and has all his viewers training more then safe, basically like wimps can’t stand all the dudes in the army I see training like how he does or other influencers who are to influenced by him and only see things his way

[@WarhorseConjugate-q3z]

Fuckin CONJUGATE!!!..... Not only are we Stronger, we have a plan! Way to go on your Ph.D.

[@heveyweightheveyweight5399]

Mike is a funny guy but i stoped listening to him a long time ago .he disrespected 531 program by jim wendler .he made an assumption on a program he never read the book about . Love his sense of humor but dont think hes very intelligent when it comes to devolping an athlete or getting strong . And for him to try to disrespect a program he didnt even do research on says volumes about his charactor as a person .

[@brandimuetze]

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[@WenningStrength]

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[@jesserentas7425]

Some people just wanna lift for longevity & general health factors no need for everyone to pack on a ton of useless muscle for failed shows 😂😂 thanks matt for the vaulable jems of useful based knowledge

[@WenningStrength]

Ahhh try to help as much as I can. Glad Mike gave me a topic. Was fun to polish up on

[@monad41]

I used to watch Mike's videos until I watched him critique the Rock doing belt squats. At that point I realized he had some big holes in his knowledge. He's 95% right about training, but that 5% makes a huge difference. And to be honest, I just don't like the guy, something's off about him.

[@ogdenville]

The cringey jokes throughout his videos don't help.

[@mikeabel7577]

He seems like an arrogant guy who plays a character online that's insecure about his height, weird shaped body, etc.His cringe jokes make him seem like a huge weirdo. There's definitely something off about Mike. He's probably on the autism spectrum.

[@mn8os]

@@mikeabel7577he’s just Jewish

[@stevend481]

@ogdenville you guys are nuts. Everyone loves him for his sense of humor. How can you not like Dr Mike... that's insane. He's smart and funny.

[@monad41]

@@stevend481 I don't think he's particularly intelligent. He's a hard worker but not a leader. If I catch one thing you are wrong about, I am going to look for more. What kind of gear cycle and diet was he on lately? That alone should be enough to question his entire methodology.

[@seanwright1970]

The Wenning way is the only way!

[@WenningStrength]

If only that were true 😂😂