Drachinifel Q&A: where was the second airplane of the Graf Spee stowed? In parts below?
@hooey58705 жыл бұрын
How plausible is Popular Mechanics 1940 "Battleship of the Future" concept such as in terms of design and combat viability?
@HaydenLau.5 жыл бұрын
What countermeasures did warships have against torpedos, other than avoidance and the torpedo defence system. Were there any doctrinal methods to deal with live fish? You mentioned that a Japanese pilot dove into the sea into the path of a torpedo headed for the Taiho, were there any other examples of this? How did rough waters and tides affect the accuracy of torpedos? Lastly, why weren't torpedos shot out of the water with secondary guns or AA?
@captaindusty48845 жыл бұрын
Notable actions of the Soviet Navy during WW2 since this topic isn't nearly as discussed as other navies. Same goes for the French and the Dutch.
@johnfisher96925 жыл бұрын
While absorbing the lessons in this video I had this thought. What would have happened if the Union navy had decided to concede the coast to the CSS Virginia and adopted a distant blockade similar to the one used by the British in WW1? The Union ships could have intercepted any Confederate ships trying to get through and dared the Virginia to come on out and fight on the open sea. Would the CSS Virginia have been seaworthy enough to survive chasing ships at sea or remaining afloat after battle with Union steam frigates?
@Kardia_of_Rhodes5 жыл бұрын
It's like watching two alcoholics try to knock each other out using only Hulk Hands.
@whynot-tomorrow_19455 жыл бұрын
underrated comment xD
@scottmcintosh43975 жыл бұрын
Alzheimer's victims in a whorehouse 😂😅
@jasoncarswell74585 жыл бұрын
The Monitor was much more technologically advanced in terms of design, but I cannot imagine the terror of her crew having to operate such an unseaworthy craft. It VERY nearly sank on the way to Hampton Roads and ended up sinking that same year from the same cause (with 16 men and 4 officers still aboard). The CSS Virginia was a grossly underpowered barn-on-a-barge but when it came time for her to die, it was by logical suicide, with no losses to her crew.
@sorsorsor115 жыл бұрын
and later by effort inventing the nuclear bomb. So it worked out good for them.
@arashimiyazawa81654 жыл бұрын
@@jasoncarswell7458 To be fair, the MerriVirginiac was equally unseaworthy. It just had the good fortune of having been built in the same harbor it fought in. That's why they ended up blowing it up when they lost control of the harbor rather than sailing it to Charleston or Savannah or some other port to try and break the blockade there. They didn't think it could actually make it very far once it left gentle waters.
@hatchcrazy3 жыл бұрын
When looking at the designs of both _Monitor_ and _Virginia_ it's important to remember that breaking the blockade was not the only useful thing a shallow-draft ironclad could do in that area. Both Richmond and Washington DC sit on tributaries to the enormous Chesapeake Bay, which despite the name is an estuary with an average depth of just over 20 feet. So neither _Monitor_ nor _Virginia_ needed to dare even the Atlantic coast to raise absolute havoc; just gaining command of the Chesapeake would allow either side to maneuver near the other's capital with impunity.
@ryanmorley8211 Жыл бұрын
Right, just that influence alone could determine the outcome of the war for both sides, not just naval domination but on land as well.
@Deanothefordtech Жыл бұрын
Proud to call the Chesapeake my home
@voxxpopuli1649 Жыл бұрын
The salvaged remains of a Merrimack style vessel are on display at Vicksburg, Mississippi... The data reads; Salvaged from the Mississippi / Yazoo Rivers... Viewing the firing distance from the top of the Confederate cannon outpost, down to the river, is amazing...
@nathanalday3062 Жыл бұрын
@@voxxpopuli1649 The _USS Cairo_. Sunk by a sea mine, then called torpedoes. Considerably smaller than the Merrimack, I think?
@simulatedpilot3441 Жыл бұрын
Yeah at that time there was no channel to run was there. Love the Chesapeake Bay
@pandoranbias16225 жыл бұрын
"So how'd you get tinnitus?" "I sat in a metal box and got shot at by cannons for hours."
@daveybernard10564 жыл бұрын
I suppose you could call our Eastern Seaboard the Eastern Front.
@erikjarandson54584 жыл бұрын
"They say you served on the Monitor?" "What?" "They say you served on the Monitor!" "What?" "THEY SAY YOU SERVED ON THE MONITOR!" "What?"
@Copainization4 жыл бұрын
Grandpa was said to suffer the jitters. Today it's known better as PT stress. A bit like a concussion.
@pedrolopez80574 жыл бұрын
@@erikjarandson5458 I CAN'T HEAR YOU I SERVED ON THE MONITOR!
@Zain-fi4 жыл бұрын
WHAT!?!
@malsypright5 жыл бұрын
24:23 so they were literally 360 no-scoping the Virginia
@gabeking94444 жыл бұрын
Does this mean the union were the first to make the 360 no-scope?
@frednel43264 жыл бұрын
Well doctors never had scopes in those days..they used there hands clamps to scope a virginia 😂😂😂
@92GreyBlue4 жыл бұрын
What do you mean 360?
@jacobrzeszewski65274 жыл бұрын
Except instead of bass boosted dubstep, there was a rhythmic steam engine and at least one crew member beat-boxing to it.
@TheRealBirdmann3 жыл бұрын
No because there wasnt a scope installed to even use
@jacobrzeszewski65274 жыл бұрын
This is literally the most American naval battle I could ever imagine. They took the shit they had laying around and started raising hell with it. So American.
@foo2193 жыл бұрын
Also a lot of ships running aground, nearly sinking, and generally being at least as dangerous to their crews as to their enemies...
@testtestesen97023 жыл бұрын
🤠
@n0denz3 жыл бұрын
*Southern All it's missing is an angle grinder.
@KeithHearnPlus2 жыл бұрын
Sounds kind of like an episode of the A-Team.
@foo2192 жыл бұрын
@Charlie Sthill Hey, Aryan master race does not need safety features!
@Vagus320003 жыл бұрын
My favorite description of the start of the battle is as follows: “The Monitor sailed towards the Virginia, looking every bit like a small dog rushing to protect a tall stag from a lumbering bear.”
@seregrian56759 ай бұрын
I remember reading this in elementary school, in the 1970's!
@bearsamoyed5 жыл бұрын
All hail the battle-cheese!
@noname-wo9yy5 жыл бұрын
Waves to the ship as it passes, spontaneously sinks
@bskorupk5 жыл бұрын
" Ironclad Attack! " "..Throw the CHEESE!!!!! " "... yea...!"
@octaviocuesta11555 жыл бұрын
@@bskorupk Best. Throwback. Ever.
@kevinagnew15195 жыл бұрын
Weaponized Limburger cheese
@Jan-mu6vs5 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a name a Dutch ship would proudly bear.
@csours5 жыл бұрын
5:30 I'd be pretty salty if someone burned my top.half too
@buzzywatkins5 жыл бұрын
Cameron Sours p
@barleysixseventwo66655 жыл бұрын
That was terrible. Upvoted.
@craigkdillon5 жыл бұрын
When you said, "The Congress was ineffective", for a moment I thought you were making commentary on our government. I soon realized you were talking about a ship.
@gangfire59325 жыл бұрын
Why can't it be both? :P
@richardzehrung97765 жыл бұрын
Accurate for either
@edstyer25664 жыл бұрын
Craig Dillon or both?
@TheNavyShark4 жыл бұрын
I mean...that wouldn't be a wrong statement.
@jamesharris46954 жыл бұрын
Both fairly accurate lol
@oliversmith92005 жыл бұрын
After hearing about the rotation in use, I want to see the turret painted as a merry go round and sent to battle.
@Paladin3275 жыл бұрын
whenever the turret spins speakers should play "you spin me right round baby right round..."
@willandersen36954 жыл бұрын
Paint wouldn't last 🤷♂️
@tomservo53474 жыл бұрын
@Herbert Norkus I got it-paint it like a shooting gallery with ducks that go round and round.
@spikespa52084 жыл бұрын
Paint fake gunports on the opposite side. Let 'em wonder.
@drtidrow3 жыл бұрын
The turret was built very much like a typical carousel, with the entire thing being suspended from a central shaft.
@nolunchiseverfree5 жыл бұрын
Upvoted for spinning seal... and the usual outstanding quality.
@tomservo53474 жыл бұрын
What's the name of that terminally happy theme music? It's so schloppy I was laughing uncontrollably.
@danthelad35854 жыл бұрын
@@tomservo5347 just search spinning seal
@roundy_roundy60644 жыл бұрын
That was so unexpected and went on for an unusually hilarious amount of time.
@mrmoore20502 жыл бұрын
16:12 The spinning seal is no more! KZbin perfidy I say! A foul deed that must be decried. I mean, still a good video though.
@ThatSlowTypingGuy Жыл бұрын
So that's what went missing.
@sergarlantyrell78475 жыл бұрын
I never realised this was only about 40 years before HMS Dreadnought was launched!
@stacyhamilton26195 жыл бұрын
44 years. Wait until I tell you about what Orville saw happen to airplanes in the 44 years and 1 month between Dec 1903 and his death in Jan 1948.
@KlunkerRider5 жыл бұрын
Warships of this period had an effective lifespan of 5-10 years before they were rendered technologically obsolete by the rapidly expanding science of warship design, Dreadnought herself was obsolete withing 5 years of building by the super-dreadnought.
@jic15 жыл бұрын
@@stacyhamilton2619 I've often said that if firearms had developed as quickly as aircraft did, the Mongol hordes would have been equipped with assault rifles. It's really shocking how quickly aircraft developed, even with two world wars to hurry them along.
@jic15 жыл бұрын
@@therake8897 True; but even so, aircraft developed at a much faster rate. By the way, I imagine that the Spitfire would probably be useful in a close support/counterinsurgency role even today. Also, the B-52 and Tu-95 are only 16 years younger than the Spitfire, and are still in regular use by major militaries. The C-130 is only 18 years younger, and is not only still in use, but still in production! (obviously, the 'ages' I'm giving for these aircraft don't include things like avionics and weapons systems)
@Jamie-kg8ig5 жыл бұрын
@@therake8897 I mean bolt actions are still obsolete. But semi-autos are totally not obsolete in war at all. Are assault rifles a lot better? Yeah but semi-autos are still pretty useful. But yeah the US has been using the AR-15 for almost 60 years now.
@connormclernon265 жыл бұрын
You thought it was Merrimac, but it was I, Virginia!
@irenerivera48275 жыл бұрын
Why is the Iowa posting this
@connormclernon265 жыл бұрын
Irene Rivera Wisconsin actually
@g.55centaurosimp185 жыл бұрын
Both ships upon receiving each other’s fire: *MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDAAA*
@snakes34255 жыл бұрын
She was originally named Merrimac but was renamed Virginia when the Confederates rebuilt her
@cliffcampbell88274 жыл бұрын
I kept thinking it was the Merrimack that was attacking the blockade. I totally forgot the confederates renamed it.
@sirrliv5 жыл бұрын
16:12 - 16:37 This is why I love Drachinifel: Factually accurate, great attention to detail, and an incredible sense of humor.
@davidanderson89892 жыл бұрын
That section got cut! :(
@mrmoore20502 жыл бұрын
@@davidanderson8989 I know! I came to comments to decry that the spinning seal is no more!
@benjaminepstein5856 Жыл бұрын
@@mrmoore2050 I'm watching this for the first time and I guessed that that's what was originally there
@michimatsch5862 Жыл бұрын
Why was it cut though? I didn't even know this was possible for an uploaded video (apart from deleting it and uploading it again).
@WatcherMovie008 Жыл бұрын
@@michimatsch5862 if a video gets flagged for copyrighted material, you have an option to either: A) Dispute the claim (which 99% of the time never works because KZbin is a massive pos that caters to the big companies and just get automated bot replies if you do) B) Have KZbin cut out the section of the video which has the supposed "copyrighted material" which will removed the bit from the video entirely without deleting the entire video
@andreibogorodski2884 жыл бұрын
Virginia: less agile then a random glacier Also Virginia: "Dear Rose, our captain ordered us to turn the ship around and back to port, with some luck ill see you at Christmas, 2 years from now. With all my heart, your beloved sailor"
@jamespocelinko1045 жыл бұрын
USS Monitor: the deadliest merry-go-round in history.
@dndboy135 жыл бұрын
that turret sounds like the most frustrating thing to operate in even the best conditions
@KittycatKye5 жыл бұрын
It was.
@Scarheart765 жыл бұрын
Beware the harbor seal! It keeps going 'round and 'round! Wait...are you implying the Monitor was adorable?
@nathanbrown86805 жыл бұрын
Of course. It's cute as a button.
@1Korlash5 жыл бұрын
I'd totally buy a Monitor plushie.
@Cpt_Boony_Hat5 жыл бұрын
You see you people are why the USS Dictator was named Dictator instead of protector like we originally wanted to call it
@craigkdillon5 жыл бұрын
@@Cpt_Boony_Hat WOW!!! I never knew that our Republic, our Democracy, our home of the free, and the land of the brave, ever had a ship called "Dictator". If we ever have a USS Trump, we may as well call that Dictator, too.
@Grimmwoldds5 жыл бұрын
@@craigkdillon It referred to invocation of emergency powers. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot were the people who attached the stigma to the title.
@SnowmanTF25 жыл бұрын
"USS Galena - Possibly the single worst ironclad in history" - I am glad this already has a follow up episode, since this totally has me sold on finding out what went wrong
@theeddorian4 жыл бұрын
One of the great ironies of the period was that a Spanish inventor was attempting to sell a design for a double-hulled, dual powered wooden submarine - the Ictineo II. The vessel was designed to operate to depths of about 30 meters. It had two different kinds of engines, a regular steam powered engine for surface operations and a chemical engine that generated oxygen as a by-product of operation. The vessel could be trimmed by weights that could be run fore and aft as needed. It would great to see a discussion of this and why the US and British navies dismissed the idea,
@billwilson-es5yn Жыл бұрын
The Americans had the Turtle during the Revolutionary War. I believe Robert Fulton designed and built a submarine in the 1820's. Southern engineers in Charleston came up with steam powered semi-submersible torpedo boats during the Civil War that were more practical than submariners. Those had a raised open superstructure that stayed above the water when the hull was submerged so the crew and firebox got plenty of air and the pilot a full view of his surroundings. It presented a small target that was difficult to see at night when those came up to spear a torpedo onto the side of a ship. Those would've been successful if the engineers had access to new steam engines since all they could find were worn out old ones discarded by industries. Those caught the attention of foreign navies since those could approach larger vessels with a small chance of being hit then being below the reach of their guns when closer to release a torpedo powered by compressed air.
@kastandlee3 жыл бұрын
Me and my wife watched this video and enjoyed it very much. My wife is the military history buff in our family, and she wanted me to pass on that this is the finest and most detailed depiction of this battle that she's ever seen or read.
@kane357lynch2 жыл бұрын
She should watch more of drach then. Him and mhv have helped to dispell a number of misconceptions the American school system taught.
@kastandlee2 жыл бұрын
@@kane357lynch She does watch a lot of his videos.
@frankpienkosky5688 Жыл бұрын
@@kastandlee the movie "Ironclads" does a good job of describing this fight as well as the characters involved....seem to recall a earlier b&w film that also featured this fight...
@renardgrise5 жыл бұрын
I've visited The Mariner's Museum that has the Monitor replica and also has the raised Turret. I can confirm that it is open to the public (though you can't go inside), and that it's a great museum trip if you ever get the chance! They have nice mock-ups of the Virginia and the Monitor in the Museum as well, that you can actually go inside and experience for yourself.
@JoeOvercoat3 жыл бұрын
The nearby Military Aviation Museum (MAM) is a jewel in its own right, albeit about…you know, flying machines.
@frankpienkosky5688 Жыл бұрын
only the rebs called the Virginia...to the rest of the world it's still the Merrimac...
@lancerevell5979 Жыл бұрын
@@frankpienkosky5688 But in CSS service, it IS the Virginia.
@ghostface15294 жыл бұрын
Fun fact the design of the monitor was meant to present as small of a target as possible to maximize survival and when the turret is rounded to deflect shot and the pilot house is fairly small it really worked as you only had the turret as the biggest target to hit
@lucamckenn59328 ай бұрын
Not entirely the same but an apt comparison is trying to shot a handgun in someones hands versus shooting a rifle in someones hands. Both tasks have challenges associated but that size difference certainly adds to the handguns favor in this thought process.
@joerogers42275 жыл бұрын
I was stationed at the Naval Amphibous School at Little Creek, VA. in 1963-45. I worked in a building that we stated amphibious battles using models, a terrain model, slides and movie clips. We staged a recreation of the battle of Hampton roads as a special show. Models, narration , spot lights, civil war music. We had a great reception to the show. Lots of work and lots of fun.
@Wolfen4435 жыл бұрын
Legend says, the moment they engaged each other every wooden and sailed warship in the world became obsolete.
@garethbaus54713 жыл бұрын
Arguably the moment either one of them or really any passible ironclad was finished.
@bagel49442 жыл бұрын
It was in 1859 when Gloire was launched
@keegantripp1245 Жыл бұрын
@@bagel4944 yes…but much of the European warships never saw combat, thus they’re relatively untested in battle damage.(idk much on any major naval combat between navies during the time period of the ironclads aside from Monitor vs Virginia. Correct me if I am wrong) but the fact that this being the first battle between two ironclads does warrant the saying as none of the European forces has had any chances.
@paulfasching7417 Жыл бұрын
@keegantripp1245 1866,the battle of lissa. Just 4 years later.
@rickjohnson6559 Жыл бұрын
That's no legend. It's fact. The day of the iron clad was that very day. Look at world navies and what they do before our civil war was over ❤❤
@falloutghoul15 жыл бұрын
11:37 I saw that. My sides are in orbit.
@chrisc11405 жыл бұрын
And it's even more fitting with the Monitor basically being a littoral combat ship, since taking that thing into open water would be an...interesting proposition, as its fate showed
@Cpt_Boony_Hat5 жыл бұрын
Yah and the Independence class is about as useful as the Galanea
@barleysixseventwo66655 жыл бұрын
@@Cpt_Boony_Hat I'm not entirely convinced they didn't mean "Ignoramus class"
@Cpt_Boony_Hat5 жыл бұрын
I like you. I wish I had seen this earlier
@FaustoTheBoozehound4 жыл бұрын
LCS are a joke and a failure. Huge waste of taxpayer money.
@anantr994 жыл бұрын
Wonderful as always, Uncle Drach! When you said "With that, the first ironclad against ironclad engagement in history had begun", I literally got goosebumps remembering Jutland, Guadalcanal and Leyte Gulf.
@afishynado68125 жыл бұрын
Dear Dairy, Today we encountered battle cheese.
@paulmanson2535 жыл бұрын
That needs to become a caption of a Gary Larson drawing.
@carmium5 жыл бұрын
@@paulmanson253 With a note to the milkman or something? "Dear Dairy..?"
@paulmanson2535 жыл бұрын
@@carmium That's about exactly it. Larson said himself he was never very good at drawing,but his off kilter images no one else thought of were just choice.
@davidtuttle75565 жыл бұрын
It was a smoking gouda.
@scottmcintosh43975 жыл бұрын
"GORGONZOLA, Creature from the East." 🐉
@t1t0s895 жыл бұрын
upvoted because..the seal sought approval
@salinagrrrl693 жыл бұрын
Ages ago I read a first hand account of a sailor abourd Virginia who claimed the gunnery officer yelled in frustration on no dammage done, "DAMN! I'D DO MORE DAMMAGE IF I SNAPPED MY FINGERS EVERY 2 MINUTES!"
@timesthree57573 жыл бұрын
I also read an account of the helmsman yelling back up to the Command Officers. When he was ordered to turn tighter. Ask the cheese box if they could tie to on to us so we can swing around. If it would help.
@s.31.l505 жыл бұрын
You are one heck of a funny historian. I like this style of episodes, a good amount of info on both the ships and the battle.
@penkagenova70734 жыл бұрын
And there is no end to humor
@tonydenner80985 жыл бұрын
My great grandfather was a chief petty officer aboard the 1880s Admiral class battleship HMS Howe. There is not a lot of information about this ship (and pre-Dreadnoughts in general) online but there were several innovations in turret / gun design and the total dependence on steam propulsion introduced around the time. I know that the Howe ran aground in Valletta Harbour and other pre-Dreadnoughts were involved in a collision during maneuvers in the Mediterranean during this period resulting in a great loss of life. The pre-Dreadnought era could be an interesting period for review from a number of perspectives.
@Why_are_you005 жыл бұрын
Howe interesting. I'll see myself out now.
@frednel43264 жыл бұрын
@@Why_are_you00 lol
@Laotzu.Goldbug4 жыл бұрын
The world's one and only waterborne bumper car fight
@russwoodward82512 жыл бұрын
You are one of the finest historical documentarians on KZbin. Thank you very much.
@BrassLock5 жыл бұрын
Jolly interesting details of the construction sequence of CSS Virginia and reasons for such a strange design. I never had any real knowledge of naval ship design, armour, armament or tactics until I subscribed to this channel. It is very educational and an eye-opener, thank you!
@garrybragg72445 жыл бұрын
How the Virginia was made helped her a lot
@robertpeterson17345 жыл бұрын
As a young naval architect I must say your videos are great. Working while listening to these has been great.
@spartanalex90065 жыл бұрын
Absolutely no one and not a single soul: Turret of the USS Monitor: You spin me right-round, baby right-round, like a record baby.
@JoeOvercoat3 жыл бұрын
Watch out, here I come!
@seth14225 жыл бұрын
The suggestion that US industry was primitive misses the mark by a couple decades. By 1860 the US had laid more than half of all the railroad track in the world, and had given birth to the American System of Manufactures (a term coined in Britain). The Monitor was built in 100 days by using modularity and subcontractcing in a feat of industry that would have been difficult for any shipyard on Earth.
@Drachinifel5 жыл бұрын
US industry could produce iron to certain thicknesses in vast quantities but in early 1860 was not capable of producing the full thickness single armour plate such as that used on Warrior or Gloire. It was also not capable of producing the steel shot that RN guns were being issued with. As was the nature of the Industrial Revolution the US would catch up in these regards before 1870, eventually of course it would he the US that invented Harvey steel armour. In 1860-65 the US industry could make things in bulk but was not generally on the cutting edge of tech.
@seth14225 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the excellent response. I see your point. But I do think you are tilting your attention too much toward naval developments. I think already by 1860 that British observers were noting how “peculiar” the American industrial revolution was compared to their own. There was much more a flavor of everyone pulling in a different direction at once. America was a leading developer of the mechanization of agriculture, the creation of labor saving devices for the home (such as the consumer-household sewing machine), and of firearms. A delegation from the US Armory displayed interchangeability of American rifles to a Parlimentary committee. After disassembling 10 rifles made in ten different years and reassembling 10 functional rifles at random, the British investigators ordered machine tools from the American supplier at once.
@Drachinifel5 жыл бұрын
@@seth1422 I agree with the comparison, generally speaking (although there always exceptions) European industry of the late 19th century was generally more technically advanced, but American industry was catching up and was demonstrating increasingly the ability to mass manufacture items on a vast scale that most European powers couldn't hope to match. Eg overtaking France as a naval power within a couple of decades of starting, despite France being one of the larger European countries and a major naval power for nearly a millennium prior.
@Zarastro545 жыл бұрын
@@seth1422 Do you know the name of the rifle they used for the demonstration? I would like to know.
@seth14225 жыл бұрын
It was the Springfield model 1842. The rifles in question were manufactured from 1844 to 1853.
@ExGavalonnj5 жыл бұрын
Well now you have to talk about the Galena
@arashimiyazawa81654 жыл бұрын
Her armor wasn't thick enough to reliably block shots, basically, so she got shot up by a shore battery. Saying she's the worst ironclad in history is a wild exaggeration. There were plenty of half-assed ironclads that were built during the war that were MUCH worse. The Monitor was even in that same battle and couldn't actually engage the battery because her guns wouldn't elevate high enough.
@JediKnight198520025 жыл бұрын
The full size Monitor replica is open for the public at the Mariners' Museum and Park in Newport News, VA. From what I understand, it was a graduation project for the shipyard's Apprentice School.
@L0stEngineer5 жыл бұрын
"the battle cheese". That single line earned you a subscriber.
@southtexasprepper18373 жыл бұрын
Drachinifel, I loved your unbiased analysis of "The Battle of Hampton Roads." I was born in the State of Tennessee, but classify myself and "an American." This particular battle is classified from Civil War historians (and rightly so) as "a Draw." Both sides achieved their intentions and objectives, but with no clear decisive winner. I love your Channel! Keep Up The Good Work.
@southtexasprepper18372 жыл бұрын
@CipiRipi00 The simple answer is that neither vessel had guns powerful enough to punch through the iron armor of the other. The Monitor’s guns might have been able to do so if Worden had used a full 30-pound charge. But the guns had been proofed only to take a 15-pound charge, and he did not want to risk an explosion of the breech in the confined turret. Each captain also tried to ram the other, but the Virginia had lost is ram inside the doomed Cumberland, and in any event it was too slow (top speed 5 knots) to ram the nimble Monitor. The Monitor did manage to ram the Virginia, but to no serious effect. In short, neither ship could seriously wound the other. Neither Ironclad won the battle.
@southtexasprepper18372 жыл бұрын
@CipiRipi00 You claimed it was a Victory for the Union. Military Historians agree that The Battle of Hampton Roads was a Draw. I do believe that they're in a better position to judge that rather than you or I. I have to defer to their judgment. Not yours. If you have a problem with that, then I'd suggest that you debate them over the issue. In fact, after the Battle of Hampton Roads, both the Union and Confederacy claimed "Victory." Neither was the case. "Victory" would've come if either Ironclad had been significantly disabled or destroyed during the Battle. That didn't really occur. However, it did signal the end of wooden warships. Just as the Aircraft Carrier signaled the end of Age of Battleships.
@southtexasprepper18372 жыл бұрын
@CipiRipi00 I'm "wrong?" I based my opinion what military historians (and you yourself pointed out earlier: "Tactically, it was a draw.") at it was "a draw." In fact, reread the your initial comment to me. Man, you can't even remember what you've written. Geeeezzzzzzz! Perhaps, you'd like to go back and re-edit your initial comment. Have Fun.
@southtexasprepper18372 жыл бұрын
@CipiRipi00 Sorry. Did you say something????? I was watching paint dry.
Good stuff! I would love to see an animation of the Monitor turret action. Anyone know of such a thing? I've also wondered why the Virginia didn't, at some point, just ignore the Monitor and continue blowing up wooden blockaders.
@boiledliddo3 жыл бұрын
the Virginia also kept firing at the Minesotta. There's one site with details on how the Minesotta captain described the battle. He almost ordered the Minesotta burned to prevent it falling to confederate hands.
@josepheller83953 жыл бұрын
The mariners museum has a model of the turret and its steam propulsion drive.
@Nick-rs5if5 жыл бұрын
Virginia: *Enters Battle* Cumberland: "Why do I hear Boss music?"
@JimmyMon6665 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Spent 4+ years of my life in Hampton Roads in the U.S. Navy. Drove across the bridge/tunnel many times, almost every day (I either lived in Hampton or Newport News as my ship was originally in Newport New shipbuilding when I first checked in). I wasn't a lifer, but I still enjoy Navy stuff. Proud of my time served.
@frankpienkosky56884 жыл бұрын
....only bridge I ever crossed that featured a sign that said "bon voyage".....a little scary out on that sucker at night...kept worrying about a ship going off-course and looming-up out of the darkness.....
@frankpienkosky5688 Жыл бұрын
...every day?...those tolls aren't cheap...
@LordZontar11 ай бұрын
The CSS Virginia was a brilliantly improvised design which turned not only upon armour but also a sloping casemate for its protection. The USS Monitor was the apex of American steam technology for the period, with 53 patentable inventions built into her machinery. But the battle was not only between these two prototype ironclads but also of handcraft v. industrial production. The Confederacy could only build by hand a comparatively small number of Virginia-type casemate ironclads while the Union could build several dozen one- and twin-turret monitors in shipyards. By the end of the war, more than 60 monitors were on the blockade line closing off every major Confederate port, while the Confederate Navy only managed to complete 24, powered by repurposed and underpowered machinery which limited their operations.
@brucetucker48475 жыл бұрын
My great-great-grandfather fought against the Monitor - not on the Virginia, but at the battle of Drewry's Bluff two months later when a Union flotilla led by the Monitor (and also including the Galena) tried to force the passage of the James River to support McClellan's advance on Richmond and were stopped by the Confederate battery at Fort Darling on top of the bluff for which the battle was named. The bluff is nearly 200 feet high and the Monitor couldn't elevate her guns enough to hit the Rebel batteries from close range, so she had to stand off at a considerable distance and her fire had little effect on the Confederates, while the Confederate fire inflicted serious damage on the Galena and the other smaller Union vessels. The fort's earthworks and several of the Confederate guns (which may have been salvaged from the Virginia) are still there as part of the Richmond Battlefield National Park.
@leeboy265 жыл бұрын
16.24 -Wow, I've never seen an Icelandic warship before.
@Dave_Sisson5 жыл бұрын
You may not believe it, but Icelandic patrol boats won the Cod Wars against the might of the Royal Navy.
@Saturnus_Ouranos4 жыл бұрын
16:24
@johnfisher96925 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another informative video I had read about the half charge used by Monitor's guns. Thanks for clearing up the misconception.
@mikeholton98765 жыл бұрын
seems i recall the 15 inch dahlgrens were eventually deployed in some of the later monitors
@frankpienkosky56884 жыл бұрын
....little leery of those guns since the designer of the monitor had one blow up earlier killing the sec. of the Navy....
@tommyestridge93015 жыл бұрын
To fulfill her main mission, the Virginia should have just ignored the Monitor and attacked the remaining Union ships in the channel, breaking the blockade.
@nikolajwinther59555 жыл бұрын
@@couterei.1953 Are you a virgin? I'm not really interested. I'm just using it as a general term of abuse.
@Gj23jk25 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't have worked that way. The Monitor was bravely bulldogging for the stricken wood-clad USS Minnesota, guarding her and daring the Virginia to attack. The Virginia was incredibly slow and poorly maneuverable. There was no question of going AROUND the Monitor; if they wanted to keep killing that day, they'd have to go through her. And that turned out to be a mutually destructive exercise in futility. Tactical victory: Monitor. Too bad her crew had so little time to appreciate the matter before they drowned horribly in their leaky prototype boat.
@Icetea-20005 жыл бұрын
Nikolaj Winther What the hell is that discussion here
@williamdaniels69434 жыл бұрын
i dont think the merrimac could have effectively ignored the monitor and survived.
@richardmj60154 жыл бұрын
YES! YES! Tom. Always wondered why the confederacy didnt employ this tactic! Shoot me shoot me! cant hurt me! sez the Monitor; but I can still sink your damn wooden vessels!
@mattblom39905 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. Drach's dry humour is on full display. My favorite Patreon :)
@Superuser0095 жыл бұрын
Great video. Congrats on 30k subscribers!
@shorttimer8745 жыл бұрын
When this popped up, I initially ignored it, thinking I already knew all about this battle and it would take up more time than I'd want to spend on it. Glad I changed my mind, and appreciate that this was 'more' rather than a 'less'.
@viesturssilins8585 жыл бұрын
This was wonderfull! I learned so much I never knew I did not know. And your humor and high polish of the video made it extra enjoyable. Than you!
@frednel43264 жыл бұрын
I also never knew i never knew this..but now im glad i know i never knew this but now i know 👍😂
@victorylibrary95975 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Dahlgren's "bottle gun" referred to the significant increase in wall thickness (beginning near the trunnions for maximum blast protection), and tapering away toward the muzzle (where the reduced gas pressure required less material, and saved weight).
@TMacPen4 жыл бұрын
Having been on the propeller salvage team, and a history student (retired US Navy), you did a fairly good job, but it was the Navy that removed the advantages of the ship. First was the moronic stuffing of packing under the turret! In the trip past NJ, the packing was partially washed out giving horrible flooding that was only saved by the advanced steam driven bilge pump! When they lost the pump operations off NC later, they lost the ship. Second off, the turret engine was jammed into complete rotating after the battle started and that was eventually found to be a major advantage as it did pretty much spread any damage around while the Virginia did have some major damage to the support beams inside the casemate which might have eventually allowed the armor to break apart. At least one picture was out of order as the slope around the pilot house on Monitor was installed in the post battle shipyard. I do have additional details of other information if you like. (T. MacPherson, MM1(SS) Ret., Chief Eng. Merchant Marine Ret., NNSYDDCO Quality Control Coordinator)
@TheGhoulishWeeb01kenzie Жыл бұрын
RIGHT ON!! This is why i love this channel.. IRON CLADS very few surface warfare channels talk about these
@sirrliv5 жыл бұрын
Magnificent. Superbly told, thoroughly researched (no mean feat considering the volume of myth and misquoting that's dogged these ships over the past century), entirely factual, and delivered with a hilarious sardonic dry wit. This is why I love this channel. Bravo, sir. Bravo. If I may humbly slip in a possible request for a future Ship Guide, what exactly was so wrong with USS Galena to make her possibly the worst ironclad warship ever build?
@Drachinifel5 жыл бұрын
She is on the list :)
@sjonnieplayfull58595 жыл бұрын
@@Drachinifel at least you refer to her as 'she' now. Nice 😁
@justdustino13715 жыл бұрын
Nearby, in the city I was born in, is the wartime home of Raphael Semmes, as well as a late 19th century statue of him. During the Union's struggles to capture this city in 1864-1865, three Monitors were lost to Raines' keg mines and remote detonated riverine mines. USS Tecumseh in the bay, USS Osage and USS Milwaukee ( a double turret Monitor) in the rivers. Two "tin clads" , armed and converted commercial paddle wheelers, were also lost: USS Ida and USS Rodolph. CSS Hunley was built in this city also, and shipped by train to Charleston.
@_tyrannus4 жыл бұрын
I just stumbled upon your channel by virtue of KZbin suggestions. I'm only at the 6 minute mark but you've already gotten yourself a new subscriber. :)
@rodritchison19955 жыл бұрын
A full scale model of the Monitor, plus two hundred tons of salvaged items from the wreck of the original Monitor, can be viewed at The Mariners Museum, Newport News, VA any day of the week.
@asiftalpur37584 жыл бұрын
OwO
@N0rdman5 жыл бұрын
Lovely job! Thank you for going through the details of CSS Virginia and USS Monitor design as so many don't really know and clearing up some of the misconceptions of the battle, there are so many sources and even books that claim that Virginia had railroad rails laid along the superstructure of the ship as armour, many other do a scant job at explaining what actually happened in the battle of Hampton Roads.
@theq46024 жыл бұрын
Something not often mentioned is the Virginia's use of sloped armor. I think its odd that not many historians mention the significance of Virginia's sloped armor, even it if wasn't known at the time the advantage it gave.
@theodoresmith5272 Жыл бұрын
Castles have sloped Armour. It was nothing new.
@JostVanWair Жыл бұрын
Tumblehome
@edwardloomis8874 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this video, which equals @drachinifel's battle of Samar video for humor and historical significance for the U.S.
@scocon86584 жыл бұрын
The term "Monitor" would be reused approximately 100 years later in Vietnam, when the United States would heavily modify LCMs to make them into shallow-water troop transports ("Tango" boats) and mini-battleships: Monitors of the Brown Water Navy.
@mb2000 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: In Star Trek, the starships USS Monitor and USS Merrimac(k) both belong to the Nebula-class and have rarely seen adjacent registry numbers (NCC-61826 and NCC-61827 respectively) as a sort of bringing together of the names. There is no Starfleet USS Virginia though.
@rickhobson32115 жыл бұрын
Great series! This will form a great reference to people interested in this sort of thing. Well done!
@stevefranks65414 жыл бұрын
Greetings Drachinifel I have had a passionate interest in ironclads, especially the Monitor and Virginia, since my junior high school days in the mid 60s. A couple years ago, I even put together a 120-page encyclopedic book, with illustrations, listing all the major ironclads and types, with all their specs, complete with a history and chapter introductions, just because I couldn't find one comprehensive enough to purchase! I must commend you for the absolute finest presentation of the Battle of Hampton Roads I have ever heard. Accurate, informative, compelling, with a dash of droll humor. Very engaging. I only stopped to see this on a whim. Didn't intend to spare more than a minute watching, but stayed to the very end. Bravo! The graphics were also excellent. It can be very difficult to select the proper image to match what is being described, but you were spot on. Keep up the great work.
@77gravity5 жыл бұрын
This was March 9, 1862. I watch the video March 9, 2019. 157 years ago, to the day.
@testtestesen97023 жыл бұрын
No that is not right
@johngeverett5 жыл бұрын
A very informative presentation! This is the Civil War battle that first fascinated me as a young boy. Though I grew up in South Georgia, my dad was U.S. Navy from WWII, and I cheered for the cheesebox.
@caleblunsford8257 Жыл бұрын
I think you could do a short video on the CSS Neuse ironclad. Didn't see any action before being burned, but its remains are in a museum and a full-size replica was built right across the street. Probably the most notable thing in Kinston, NC
@michaelblaszkiewicz72835 жыл бұрын
Great video, very informative, the fact that Monitor was built so fast and worked at all is amazing. How bout' Css Hunley next?
@billbutler3354 жыл бұрын
Actually the Hunley was not a CSS, the ship was run by the Army and not the Navy so was not a Confederate States Ship.
@frankpienkosky56884 жыл бұрын
word is they had trouble getting the Monitor out of New York harbor...thing was zig-zagging all over the place....
@snuffeldjuret5 жыл бұрын
The joy (or sigh of relief) when you invent Ironclads in Civilization :).
@Groza_Dallocort4 жыл бұрын
They do move slower then frigates and privateers though Civ 5 stats will say
@kemarisite3 жыл бұрын
And then lose your first one attacking a phalanx along the coast.
@snuffeldjuret3 жыл бұрын
@@kemarisite I don't let mine do such dirty work :D
@razorburn6453 жыл бұрын
Submarines vs sail ships....
@freddieellis84495 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the battle of Drewery’s Bluff which involves the Monitor. A small fleet of ships attempting to sail up the James River in order to directly shell Richmond. The confederate shore battery, high up on Drewery’s Bluff was able to repulse all of the Union ships, including Monitor, mostly due to not being able to sufficiently depress their guns enough to return fire. Monitor having to withdraw because of the huge amount of water thrown up by near misses ended up partially flooding into the air intakes for the boiler room.
@seanangelo79505 жыл бұрын
Interesting that you show the last picture as a picture of USS Cairo. Ive seen her in real life down here at her museum in vicksburg. Interesting fact that her museum is the only remaining example of an US built ironclad in the world, and one of only two remaining iron clads in the world, that I know of, the other being the Huascar in Chile. Another interesting note is that USS Cairo was the first ship in the world to be sunk by a remote detonated mine. :) Great video Drach.
@oceanhome20235 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! I have been on the Huascar in Chile, it was a little more successful in battle
@seanangelo79505 жыл бұрын
@@oceanhome2023 Id assume so. USS Cairo sunk and is still somehow the only original US Ironclad haha. (There is another one thats a iron clad ram, so it doesnt really count IMO)
@jic15 жыл бұрын
HMS Warrior is still around, although she spent over 50 years as an oil jetty before she was restored.
@samuelmartin865 Жыл бұрын
I was literally laughing out loud at the description of the monitor’s crew giving up on the turret control and just letting it spin freely while shooting 😂
@archlich448911 ай бұрын
The whole battle must've been loopey. A nonstop comedy of errors.
@lucamckenn59328 ай бұрын
We have cool new ships. Oh wow cool awesome great yeah. Do we know how to use it? Of course, silly, gun go boom.
@model-man78025 жыл бұрын
A small remedy for poor vision was a bucket of white paint and compass markings along with Bow,port,starboard and stern marked on the walls of the turret.
@westcoaststacker5695 жыл бұрын
Thank You for the informative video. Seems in hindsight it would of been best if Virginia ignored the Monitor and continued to attack the blockade ships.
@taylorwhite6363 жыл бұрын
You know, these videos honestly give me a better understanding and insight into the history around the colonial and civil war eras in their entirety than any proper history class I've ever taken. Understanding the "tools" (ships,etc) and infrastructure was never a major topic we had covered in any detail. It had always been a focus on politics and generals for the most part. Including the ships, how they were built, the challenges surrounding that, and all other logistics and not least the reason why the ships are even there really gives a huge amount of perspective that I hadn't considered
@jadunandanadas30895 жыл бұрын
Intro Sequence: 5 min guide to warships ww1-ww2 Time Bar and Title: AM I A JOKE TO YOU?
@MarkGeraghty5 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. This is the first time I have heard of this battle, and the ships involved. Truly pivotal in the development of modern naval warfare.
@jimmertrzcinski11445 жыл бұрын
Thank You so much for getting rid of the robot voice I absolutely love the voice now Even if you’re just using new high tech robot voices
@TheBlackPaulMuadDib4 жыл бұрын
Where you get the picture at timestamp 3:37. It has LST's in it so it has to be late 80"s to 1994. I was on the Bristol County stationed in San Diego. However, I miss the Newport class ships. Although they rocked like hell, and that was on calm seas. The USS George Washington (CVN-73) is in the background and two perry class frigates in the foreground. Miss the Navy.
@rileyvolz95745 жыл бұрын
All good things, start with a questionable plan, that is actually pretty useful. Just look at the first tanks.
@benx62644 жыл бұрын
for those who are interested there is a full scale replica of a CSS Virginia type Confederate ironclad, the CSS Neuse, which is open to the public. The replica. and it's associated museum, The CSS Neuse Civil War Interpretive Center, is located in Kinston NC. Well worth the visit if you're in the area.
@blubb90045 жыл бұрын
That has to be the most hilarious naval battle in history.
@gruntforever74379 ай бұрын
What the battle did show was that the age of wooden ships was done; which was understood by any competent Naval person but it got driven home to the politicians and general public I think the biggest takeaway others got was that combination steam and sail was also on the way out. As the guns got bigger and more powerful, masts and sails were too easy to destroy. One of the reasons so much effort was put into steamship propulsion development. I think the last takeaway was that breech loading guns were the only ones worth a damn
@Rex124595 жыл бұрын
Five minute guide* 36 minutes long
@mikepotter57185 жыл бұрын
It beats missing the details.
@Dave_Sisson5 жыл бұрын
I'm not complaining. I usually don't follow American stuff, so I probably wouldn't have clicked on it if I had known who was fighting the battle... but wow... I've never learnt so much in half an hour or had so much fun learning it.
@amerigo885 жыл бұрын
Five minute guide (more or less)
@nathanbrown86805 жыл бұрын
Five minute guide to the ships of WWI and WWII, no less.
@spikespa52085 жыл бұрын
The best concise detailed description of the ships and the battle in a short vid. Well done.
@AllanJTaylor2 жыл бұрын
The monitor replica is open to the public, but you can only walk on top of it, AFAIK it’s just a metal block with no actual inside. There are tons of pieces of the actual ship under restoration that you can see in their lab.
@ostlandr5 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks so much for the detailed descriptions of the Monitor's machinery. The Battle of Hampton Roads was one of those turning point/"What if?" moments. If CSS Virginia has broken the blockade. . .
@frankpienkosky5688 Жыл бұрын
the Union had 500 ships...plenty of replacements that would have deployed further out in rough water...the real scare was that it would sail up the Potomac...
@toonbat5 жыл бұрын
The arms race you described at the end of your video between gun makers and armor makers is parodied wonderfully in the Jules Verne novel "From the Earth To the Moon." Not really too relevant to this video as comments go, but I couldn't pass up the chance to recommend the book. Most people treat it as a mere curiosity for its predictions of the future, but it really is a fun read, specially if you're okay with seeing the French author shower both critical parody and genuine affectionate admiration to the americans of the time in equal measure.
@21owlgirl725 жыл бұрын
I think for being one of the first Monitors, they did a ok job with the tech they had. Id like to see a episide of later ironclads
@frankpienkosky5688 Жыл бұрын
built in 100 days...something to remember
@1903A3shooter3 жыл бұрын
The Monitors turret is on display in the Mariners Museum in Newport News Va. along with the two guns. A few miles from home.
@adamdubin12765 жыл бұрын
At 16:22 I laughed so hard for almost the entirety of the rest of the video...
@admiraltiberius19895 жыл бұрын
Prepare the battle cheese !!!!!! Love your video Drach…..you always do amazing work. Please keep it up and I look forward to always your videos.
@arashimiyazawa81654 жыл бұрын
Thank you for actually mentioning right up front that the French and English navies both already had ironclads, and that they were generally better ships than either Monitor or MerriVirginiac. The battle is historically significant for being the first major engagement involving ironclads, not because nobody else had ever thought of the idea before, as too many histories try to suggest.
@chrisbruce57114 жыл бұрын
Also monitor was one of the first ship to mount a turret so that could be counted as a another historic thing about the battle
@robertmoffett348610 ай бұрын
Aside from specific criticisms of the Coles turret, it should be noted that John Ericsson first submitted his Monitor design to his native Swedish navy in 1839, and the British navy shortly afterward. So Coles was a Johnny-come-lately, if not a copycat. t was intended strictly to reduce forts, which found monitors almost impossible to hit, much less harm. Hence, the extremely low freeboard . They proved themselves at Mobile, and elsewhere, later in the war
@jimtalbott95355 жыл бұрын
A Suggestion(s): the Mexican ships Guadalupe and Montezuma(spelling?) They had a rather "difficult" time with the navy of the Republic of Texas around 1840.
@glenn10355 жыл бұрын
1843 Naval Battle Of Campeche, later engraved into the cylinders of Colt's Navy revolvers. 3.bp.blogspot.com/-4phBzAX36w0/V9p5Jc0-JlI/AAAAAAAAFJk/opMRPO8YDLUpURGVgkQzevE1iifIgbYTQCEw/s1600/Colt%2BAd%2Bfrom%2BTW%2Bmag.jpg