Draconic Dissent | Precon Upgrade Guide | MTG | Commander | EDH | Budget | Cut-Rate Commander

[@GrazzetMTG]

Hey folks! See the full list of swaps for the precon upgrade below and let me know what commanders you want to see from Streets of New Capenna or Battle for Baldur's gate in the comments below! Creatures Agitator Ant > Pseudodragon Familiar Mocking Doppelganger > Leyline Tyrant Baeloth Barrityl, Entertainer > Thunderbreak Regent Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs > Verix Bladewing Stuffy Doll > Glorybringer Brash Taunter > Skarrgan Hellkite Curse of the Swine > Scourge of Valkas Aether Gale > Lozhan, Dragons' Legacy Angler Turtle > Wrathful Red Dragon Compulsive Research > Iymrith, Desert Doom Niv-Mizzet, Parun > Skyline Despot Pursued Whale > Komainu Battle Armor Instants Domineering Will > Abrade Reins of Power > Spit Flame Sorceries Chain Reaction > Vandalblast Enchantments Propaganda > Popular Entertainer Dissipation Field > Reconnaissance Mission Artifacts Temple of the False God > Bident of Thassa Ash Barrens > Orb of Dragonkind Midnight Clock > Lapis Orb of Dragonkind Hedron Archive > Carnelian Orb of Dragonkind Artificer Class > Swiftfoot Boots Clan Crafter > Lightning Greaves Will Kenrith > Whispersilk Cloak Planeswalkers Rowan Kenrith > Sarkhan the Masterless Lands Izzet Boilerworks > Frostboil Snarl Wandering Fumarole > Shivan Reef Terrain Generator > Haven of the Spirit Dragon Desolate Lighthouse > Bonders' Enclave Kher Keep > Tyrite Sanctum Island > Mountain Island > Mountain

[@chrishogan9143]

I'm absolutely rattled, it's seven in the morning and Grazzet just hit me with a "Yo momma" joke. 10/10 video.

[@GrazzetMTG]

I had to include some sort of insult in there without offending the all mighty algorithm - so its good that I was able to get away with this one!

[@benrichardson5662]

I dunno what it is, but this deck seems like a ton of fun. Probably because it combines dragons, treasures, draw, and forced combat shenanigans, all cool things that are even better together. Also whenever you cut Temple of the False God I smile to myself. It's such a trap card, it's only good in a few decks but so many people splash it in everywhere.

[@TheObstalace]

Amazing video! The upgrade choices come across really solid and coherent while staying relatively budget friendly.

[@GrazzetMTG]

Glad to hear you enjoyed it and thanks for the positive feedback!

[@RKade801]

OMG thank you for this!! I'm new into MTG but this deck made me fall in love at first sight, it's so much fun but definitely felt the need to replace some cards that aren't working for me, so this video is exactly what I need it ❤❤❤❤

[@MikeFluture]

I really liked this list! Definitely a solid dragon tribal. I was going to play the deck as-is for a bit before considering upgrading. But when I do l, this is definitely where I'm going to go. Keep up the great work!

[@GrazzetMTG]

Glad to hear you enjoyed it and thanks for the support!

[@barrysetser3909]

What, another Grazzet Dragon deck? Outstanding! Nice to see Lindsey Lozhan show up as well

[@GrazzetMTG]

Glad you enjoyed it! Lozhan, Dragons' Legacy seemed like a good include here just to get some more dragon themed damage/burn to go with our more dragon heavy build.

[@heldergattoni]

First upgrade guide for thos deck that i liked. U did a great job

[@GrazzetMTG]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Pixel165]

Nice upgrades this deck needed some more dragons for sure

[@GrazzetMTG]

Yep, the core build did feel kind of light in the dragon department.

[@tylersmith5449]

Wizards of the Coast should honestly hire you to build the pre-cons.

[@GrazzetMTG]

Your praise is much appreciated but I can't even begin to image what the WotC staff has to go through to make these from scratch and following who knows what guidelines to make these. I image that it may make these upgrades look easy in comparison.

[@tylersmith5449]

@@GrazzetMTG you say that, but I would argue that they probably do exactly what you do to an extent but simplified because they just throw in filler cards. I recently tried getting back into mtg and I have been purchasing pretty much every Previn that comes out and I have learned that it’s borderline impossible to build a total commander deck with just purchasing precondition because up to a certain point they lack diversity. Land base is copy and paste not to mention a portion of the deck is not ideally suited for the strategy the commander is trying to focus on. I would pay extra for your builds if precondition were made with that level of care and consideration for strategy, price and enjoyment. I truly love your videos.

[@tylersmith5449]

Precon * damn spellcheck

[@tylersmith5449]

@@GrazzetMTG also just want to say that I am truly excited for Party Time precon upgrade. The party mechanic was amazing and the new commander is really interesting.

[@TristanL3]

Some great upgrade suggestions - personal highlight is komainu battle armour. Game changer 😮

[@DocOmally101]

For the further upgrades what would you recommend swaping out for them? I have ideas but id love to hear your PoV

[@Eisenwulf666]

Nice list! I often wonder why they insert random stuff in the pre-cons.. pretty cool changes

[@GrazzetMTG]

Happy to hear you enjoyed the build! There always seem to be "random" inclusions in these precons but so long as they are staples that can be used in other decks or reprints to being the price down you won't hear me complainting!

[@Timbuktu-qt2lj]

Awesome deck ideas, I am really looking forward to your take on Party Time.

[@GrazzetMTG]

Working on party time now (the build is done the video is being edited as we speak) - I liked how it turned out myself, so I hope you enjoy it when it drops (which will be soon).

[@Nik-xk2wg]

very good video! I got the ancient copper dragon from a booster today, still cant believe it..

[@GrazzetMTG]

Very nice! That will be a might fine upgrade in this (and a lot of other builds to be honest)!

[@Galchoo1]

Well, this certainly wasn't a video that would DRAG ON or anything... hehe. Shitty puns aside, amazing video as always! Now as for my opinion on the next precon to be upgraded... Party rock is in the house tonight! Day 302 of waiting for the face reveal. Say, if you could create a planeswalker in a black-bordered set, what would it be like?

[@GrazzetMTG]

Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for the support as always! That is a good question. If I could create any walker, I think I would look into creating a mono white planeswalker with a restrictive mana cost (lets say CMC 4 with 3 or 4 white pips - to make it hard for non mono white decks to make use of it easily) that really focused on the "catch up" mechanic white seems to be focusing on to get value. Lets say their +1 draws a card if any player has more cards in hand than we do and creates a tapped treasure if a player has more lands in play then we do, their -2 creates a 0/4 defender that has "whenever an opponent player casts their second spell each turn, gain 1 life and draw a card", and their -7 ultimate creates an emblem that says "whenever you tap a plains for mana, draw a card, gain a life, and create a treasure"

[@regaleagle6533]

This is a cool list. I found dragon decks take some heat so I enjoy the defensive slumbering dragon. Also Awaken the Sky Tyrant, Crucible of Fire, and Cursed Mirror (coming down in price) are solid cards in their own right but provide nice little mini combos with astral dragon that can really make you pop off instead of getting like 3 sol rings or something.

[@GrazzetMTG]

Glad to hear you enjoyed it! Slumbering Dragon can certainly be considered, but can take some time to get online, especially since we have lots of goad to keep attacks off us, and Awaken the Sky Tyrant, Crucible of Fire, and Cursed Mirror are all solid incudes to get us some extra dragons and dragons synergies for us to take advantage of. Good suggestion!

[@craigolsen1916]

This was an amazing video.

[@GrazzetMTG]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@ericcarrington4936]

Me, patiently waiting for your “exit from exile” precon upgrade. Just bought it today!

[@GrazzetMTG]

The build for that precon has just been wrapped up and tested, so you should hopefully being seeing it soon!

[@chiuka0]

Nice decktech!

[@GrazzetMTG]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@VZR_]

Hey, I'm just getting into MTG and this is my first deck! Would there be a way to upgrade it with a budget of only $10? Right now I'm not sure if I'd wanna invest more than that into upgrades. Thanks!

[@gerritvandenbosch4681]

Choose the most cards from his list that cost up to a total of $10, so basically grab all the cheapest ones until you hit a $10 limit. It's what I did, infact if you have a local store that sells singles you can set a $5-10 limit each week and continue to upgrade.😊

[@crovax1375]

Speaking of Goad. I think that Jon Irenicus, Shattered One would be a sweet deck for a future video!

[@GrazzetMTG]

Jon Irenicus, Shattered One is certainly an interesting take on giving your opponents creatures and I can see it being a really fun build around! Good suggestion!

[@substructure8165]

amazing build! can't wait to try it but I was wondering for what would you replace the last five more expensive upgrades within the existing build you made Really love your channel keep up the good work 🤩👍

[@GrazzetMTG]

Sorry for the late response! Glad you enjoyed it! For the Upgrades I would suggest the following: Verix Bladewing >>> Manaform Hellkite Solemn Simulacrum >>> Atsushi, the Blazing Sky Warmonger Hellkite >>> Scourge of the Throne Avatar of Slaughter >>> Ancient Silver Dragon Skarrgan Hellkite >>> Ancient Copper Dragon Hope that helps!

[@f4ffy538]

Great video, are you planning on showing some of your gameplay at some point or another? maybe a second channel if not this one?

[@GrazzetMTG]

Happy to hear you enjoyed it the build! Sadly, there are no plans for this in the immediate future, but as the channel grows it is certainly something that can be explored. We'll just have to see.

[@raihan3343]

Is it better to buy the precon then upgrade it or to buy singles?

[@mateuszaror1096]

You're removing core cards for the mechanics for just adding more dragons?

[@rizalinojuliano3702]

Thank you for this really clear guide. Played Magic a long time ago (mid 90's) and just recently got back into the game with and Exit from Exile deck. How does this deck compare with Exit from Exile? Sub added. Keep up the good work!

[@GrazzetMTG]

Welcome back to magic! As far as power level goes - Exit to Exile has a higher power ceiling than this precon does. I've played both and the boards that Exit to Exile can set up are absolutely insane. That said, this build is plenty powerful in its own right since there is a lot of goad and dragon support in both its colors while the commander provides card advantage and disruption.

[@viktorchudo3619]

Can someone advise, how to play popular entertainer? I don't get it as Firkraag already has that ability.

[@GrazzetMTG]

Popular Entertainer is a separate instance the this ability, effectively allowing any dragon that gets in for damage to goad 2 creatures (one thanks to Firkraag when they attack, and then another one when they deal combat damage thanks to Popular Entertainer). Hope that helps!

[@taylorjohnson5148]

Would kindred discovery work in place of recon mission?

[@GrazzetMTG]

It most certainly would! Its a bit more mana heavy (as well as a bit pricier) but it makes up for it by drawing us card as our dragons ETB and attack (they don't even have to deal damage) - making it a great addition for this dragon tribal build!

[@taylorjohnson5148]

@@GrazzetMTG I find them all similar but i have the mission card from my 40k deck, I got a bident of thassa from a friend and another precon I got, and then I bought kindred discovery for another deck that doesn't have as many tribal stuff as I though it did, so I think it'll work better in this with all the dragons

[@gabrielroma6933]

what other upgrades whould you make to get the deck around 100 bucks besides the commander? I really wanted a tribel dragon deck and I think this might be a good "in between" with a few changes

[@GrazzetMTG]

If we want to add some serious value with just 2 card, Utvara Hellkite and Terror of the Peaks are about $50 between them and are very solid in the build. Otherwise, some of the cards I mentioned in the upgrades for the build like Manaform Hellkite, Atsushi, the Blazing Sky, and Scourge of the Throne would all help bring up the decks power level.

[@doritodust0076]

Out of curiosity, what is the cutoff for a low priced commander? Because Tasha isn't all that high, and a deck built around her could probably slap pretty hard.

[@GrazzetMTG]

You're not the first person to ask for her and she is just on the cusp of what I would consider a "low price" commander - so you can expect to see her in a future poll in the near future (hopefully).

[@wqweqwet1804]

So what card would An Ancient copper dragon replace if someone persay had an ancient copper dragon?

[@GrazzetMTG]

Ryusei, the Falling Star may be worth cutting since it requires some setup to wipe the board while Ancient Copper Dragon's ramp's only needs it to swing in (which our haste enabling boots and sources of protection can help it do safely). Hope that helps!

[@wqweqwet1804]

@@GrazzetMTG yes it does thank you.

[@TxarlesN]

Nice one. This deck looks really fun, but maybe Dragon tribal is a trap for the game plan. Baeloth Barrityl maybe is a cool alternative.

[@GrazzetMTG]

At its heart, I think Firkraag benefits the most as a dragon tribal deck with goad, while Baeloth Barrityl, Entertainer is more a voltron commander that goads the board as a payoff for making him bigger. I would love a chance to build around him personally, since he seems like a deck build.

[@Fenirian87]

I'm wondering, could The Ur-Dragon work with this budget build? I got it for collection and after watching this video it got me curious but not sure what to take out, any help would be awesome!

[@GrazzetMTG]

Ur-Dragon sadly would not be legal in the 99 this build do to its 5 color casting cost - so the only way to make it work would be replacing the commander and that would really change the deck drastically, making it not really worth it (in my opinion).

[@Mr0utslder]

hey there! i'm a little new to magic and just bought this precon a few days ago and wanted to confirm the 1st line of text for Firkraag. If I attack with like 4 dragons, does that mean I get to goad 4 creatures OR is it just one creature getting goaded?

[@GameplayerBR]

Just one, cause the text says "when one or more dragons". Doesn't matter if its one or more dragons, just one creature will be goaded.

[@GrazzetMTG]

Just one creature per opponent due to how the text is written.

[@DarthXentus]

The precons on my area have averaged 50, so just keep in mind regional differences in pricing when looking at your budget. Thankfully, 10 bucks extra isn't too much of you're getting this deck to upgrade and play with generally speaking. Though your personal situation may vary.

[@GrazzetMTG]

Fair point. Sadly I can't account for all regions, so my prices are based off the cheapest prices I can find online - in this case the Game Nerdz set of 4 for $140 (making them $35 each) and the CoolstuffInc Prices of $40 for each precon if bought individually. Hope that helps explain the prices I use.

[@DarthXentus]

@@GrazzetMTGThanks! that does explain things.

[@DarthXentus]

Just a note my comment was directed at viewers, not Grazzet.

[@hallorette5059]

I think taking out Curse of the Swine is a mistake. Sometimes your opponents have creatures you can’t get through effectively or whose abilities are too annoying to have them stay around. Especially if they have tap abilities. Creatures with tap abilities are very dangerous if goad is your main countermeasure to creatures, because your opponents can always opt out of an attack they are not interested in doing. Curse of the Swine handles them, along with troublesome indestructible creatures, and the number of flyers you added to the deck makes Curse of the Swine more powerful, not less. Taking out Niv Mizzet, Parun is also a weird choice. That card draws you so many cards, spellslinger deck or not. He’s guaranteed value, because most spot removal triggers his draw ability. I do like the inclusion of all the extra dragons, because more flyers means more opportunities to goad.

[@GrazzetMTG]

Fair joints. Curse of Swine can be very good when dealing with hard to remove creatures to creatures that we can not force to attack due to tapping themselves down - which if your running into a lot of may make it worth adding back in over another damage based wipe. As far as Niv Mizzet, Parun is concerned - I will stand by my decision to remove him as , while he is certainly a powerful card, that 6 colored pips makes him difficult to cast even if we're only in 2 colors - at times making him dead in hand while we wait to draw into our 3rd source of blue/red mana. He can be a powerful source of card advantage if we can cast him and he sticks around though, so if you want to add him back in to try him out I can certainly see why.

[@DaBee5710]

Would you make a 200 dollar upgrade?

[@jack_krauser_]

Why remove the rag doll? with a blasphemous act it is 13 damage to the enchanted player. It is a very good card to defend. I would remove deadly kiss and avatar of massacre instead.

[@supersalty_9459]

*throws my wallet* take whatever its in there and give me the best upgrades lolz xD great video!

[@GrazzetMTG]

Hey, all that's in here is a library card! And its expired! But seriously, happy to hear you enjoyed the build!

[@Sdizzle7]

this deck feels like it has no identity, it wants to be dragon tribal, but at the same time, its not.

[@GrazzetMTG]

Fair, at its core it more of a Goad deck with dragons on it - but it has enough dragons to make it feel like a Dragon tribal deck, making it a interesting inbetween.

[@rizalinojuliano3702]

Is this a bad deck? I've seen another KZbinrvsay this was the absolute worst precin commander deck of 2023

[@GrazzetMTG]

This decks not bad by any means - though its ceiling is not quite as high as some of the other decks that dropped with Baldur's Gate.

[@Alpha-Eridani]

is this a computer generated voice? it's incredibly hard to listen to

[@GrazzetMTG]

Nope, that is me.... Sorry if my cadence when recording is not to your liking.

[@RiverJensen]

Grazzets voice is gorgeous, back off

[@timpettersson4070]

@@GrazzetMTGhaha I love your voice don't listen to haters💀

[@zauvimoo]

You have an amazing voice ​@@GrazzetMTGdon't let this guy get you down fr there's ppl out there who'd kill for a voice like yours

[@akira-qr4qm]

This deck is so bad

[@GrazzetMTG]

Sorry to hear you think that. What did you not like about it?

[@b_olson542]

Hey @GrazzetMTG. I am so pleased with your deck lists that I am making you an honorary NPC in my D&D campaign. The card art in your honor will be Dockside Extortionist. My players won't get it, but I will, and you are awesome.