Drafting Control Like It's 2019 in the Vintage Cube

[@haumph]

Best archetype

[@LSVargas]

Wow a blessing from the cheonfather himself

[@matchaud]

Don’t know about winning %, but imo is always nicer to see LSV piloting controlish decks over midrange/ beatdown ones

[@Ma_atch]

Yeah, I love watching LSV work out how his opponent can't realistically win when he plays control decks. Really shows off his skill in planning ahead more than when he's on the beatdown

[@coconutmilkisbestmilk1702]

first opponent was really cooking up something wild for their deck

[@Dave_D1ce]

I really love how LSV analyzes every aspect of the game. You learn a lot from watching these videos and they’re entertaining.

[@vaklam1]

Totally. There's lots of streamers out there who are good players too but really bad entertainers

[@worschtebrot]

This was really fun to watch. I love it when LSV goes off the beaten path.

[@brandonbagley795]

Damn, saw the title and thought it surely meant a UW control deck that had an answer for everything and finally won with snapcaster beats

[@mattwilliamsonguitar]

White has gotten so good at controlling the board while also providing threats.

[@ei9443]

I was just thinking the same! I think white is lot stronger than it was before

[@tobiasbreg3806]

This is vintage cube how I remember it :)

[@BegravelseinBrussels]

Oh man, now I want to see a stip draft where you rank all thhe cards 1-X and take according to the static pick order for the entire draft.

[@BarginsGalore]

that would be a good lesson in why pick order only matters in the first pick

[@BegravelseinBrussels]

@@BarginsGalore The deckbuilding stage would be really interesting...

[@SharinganMan]

yes i've always wanted this

[@pyromusicman21]

It would be like watching any random bloke play...no thanks.

[@MelancholicDays]

dont want to pour on the parade but it’ll just end up being 5c un-synergistic crap.

[@quarkraven]

magic at its finest. a deck that controls, tempos and beats down with a pilot that excels at all of it

[@Limkmc]

I think reprive is a couple picks ahead of remand, since white generally can use that effect better, white is a better color, and it gets around delighted halfling

[@eggu1828]

Reprieve is obviously stronger than remand, but blue decks generally more likely to be draw-go style when white decks are more likely playing creatures, and reprieve can be a bit awkward if you are not in a clear winning position. So you can't be wrong with remand, but can be wrong with reprieve sometimes, though they are very close

[@wernerbeinhart2320]

"They have a dig in hand, that just doesn't do anything." Feel ya, brother 😢

[@ei9443]

This was such a nice one! I think combo and control decks are really lsv's thing more than aggro or beatdown

[@vaklam1]

54:48 the orcs just killed Sam there that's sad

[@davidbenjamin8347]

OPs were kind of all ponies. But of course LSV piloted it well and navigated the draft great.

[@subtleknife1]

Really cool deck, also loved the maneuvering around true name in round 2. Really nice example of why TNN is not even close to what it used to be.

[@LDRTrejo]

Brother was living the esper dream of always having the answer❤

[@TambraHuyghe-k1w]

Mertz Trail

[@finalflameKorisky]

Ahh yes, I also prounce it 'ooh-wat'

[@kageotaku]

Love the games where you can play through several turns and actually think about which turns various cards are best to be deployed.

[@siegeryno8272]

I recently had a perfect UW control deck that easily 6-0, 3-0’d. It still lives!!

[@stevenashley27]

After watching you dissect Yugioh cards with Cimo and determining if they’re banned or not, I lowkey wanna see you learn how to play Yugioh and take a crack at constructed Yugioh. Think it’d be entertaining to watch

[@LSVargas]

I’m considering it

[@stevenashley27]

@@LSVargas yassss. It’s honestly a very nuanced game with tons of layers. It’s not just a bunch of unga boonga like a lot of people think it is

[@Laevateinn-]

Link to the video?

[@BarginsGalore]

i dont know if id want lsv trying another game i like cause on one hand it would be fun to see him improve and learn but on their other it would be depressing how fast he would be better then me

[@roarmalf]

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[@ChrisWalter0517]

Magic is so good when nobody plays power (except for that dirty sol ring player)

[@worschtebrot]

This so much! I'm really curious why so many people seem to prefer powered cube when a lot of the times power just leads to blowout games.

[@jakegoat2677]

This deck was a thing of beauty

[@rastrisfrustreslosgomez544]

Release the Cheons!

[@leanderthal1138]

Last control vid was you saying control like it’s 2014 another hair follicle falls out

[@g.n.s.]

This deck is cleeeean. I love it.

[@Kendal411]

Can’t remember the last time I saw white this open.

[@haizhouz7627]

I was really hoping for the instant speed fractured identity on the sneak target play

[@Ma_atch]

True-Name Nemesis had a great chance to finally do it, but his pilot punted with the force misplay. I would've played even worse than opponent but I'm still mad

[@RainbowRandolf]

They desperately need to update cube. Get Squee, Hoogak, Rootwalla and Vengevine tf outta there.

[@ei9443]

I agree! And bring back the artifact and some combosynergies. I mean they already tried the rootwalla things before and i dont think people liked it so much

[@richwilliams1863]

bring back riftwing!

[@tommystav5916]

Wow thumbnail =fastest I've clicked lsv

[@moaf2padventures757]

the part where you resigned yourself to only casting time walk once fairly made me a little sad inside

[@guim3419]

"Hawk Tuah" 10:03

[@traycarrot]

Genuine question: if Squee, Hogaak, Survival, the madness creatures, etc are always the last 4-5 picks, why are people not drafting madness/graveyard decks? Is VCube not self-correcting in this way, or is the archetype so bad that it can't make up the difference in having a wide open deck? Rewatch the first pack, you just pass this insane graveyard deck with three on-color lands and Copter/Grist, Seasoned Pyro, Wayfinder to bin Phoenix, Gak, Vengevine, Squee, Anger and can close with a Pyrogoyf... Not trying to say you should have drafted it, just showing an example of what is getting passed to explain my confusion.

[@monsoon1234567890]

Because compared to the field, those decks are slow, clunky, and require playing cards that are individually underpowered. There's also an insane number of main deck graveyard hate cards in this cube. If I could draft a deck with Squee, Hogaak, Survival as guaranteed 46-48th picks, I would still draft something else.

[@traycarrot]

​​@@monsoon1234567890 I didn't think about the grave hate, I'd have to look at the numbers to see how incidental it is. I get it is underpowered, though. A follow-up question is if a deck is so underpowered and clumsy, hated so easily, and takes up so many slots, what the fuck are these cards doing in the cube for three months?

[@TaisxD]

The deck is parasitic as hell AND takes multiple pieces to function. And even when it's wide open, it's not on par for the strongest strategies.

[@traycarrot]

​@@TaisxD What does parasitic mean in this context? I'm not familiar with it.

[@LSVargas]

The deck mostly sucks is why. You can get every card for it and it still won’t necessarily be good, so it’s a bad idea to go into it usually.

[@philreske3605]

how do you take cathar comando over seedshark with a bunch of good 3 4 5 cost spells?

[@philreske3605]

that u didnt even start

[@LSVargas]

Really easily

[@Jingoa]

The deck's more tempo than full control. Deploys cheap little threats and bounces theirs. Seedshark is better in a deck with hard counters and artifact mana, which we didn't have any of at all. Commando's a versatile threat you can deploy while sitting in remand/reprieve and cheap removal. Would have been a house against a big artifact mana deck but we didn't need it.

[@ei9443]

He had so many 3drops, no artifact synergies and only one free spell (snuff out) to get more value from seedshark. Then again not so much answers to artifacts or enchantments. So definitely right pick there. I personally do love seedshark though! I think lsv had a season about a year ago where he played seedshark alot and it was good too. But back then artifact -theme had much more support in cube, and the cube was a bit slower also.

[@philreske3605]

@@LSVargas There's no way lingering souls is better than seed shark in this deck. Seed shark is an engine on it's own. The high end is higher than souls and a solid blocker in the case your behind. I'd love to see BK chime in on this one 😇😇😇 Who has his handle?

[@MurrayElizabeth-b2w]

Marielle Dam

[@SefrenGoly-p7k]

Lafayette Estate

[@MnemonicNex]

Beat the youtube upload notification:D

[@ClemensMarjorie-l8y]

Shields Row

[@cesarramon4636]

Sir 3-0? Normal.

[@wernerbeinhart2320]

Wouldn't you have died against 1st opponent in game 2, if you didn't kill the food token? You said opponent would've been able to deal 16dmg with sorin + zuran orb combo. But I was counting 9 lands for 18dmg total plus 3 life/damage from the food, if you didn't kill it before for exactly lethal

[@emilyquincy4137]

Martin Eric Garcia Michael Young Thomas

[@RuthTrimble-k5q]

Berge Flat

[@gippygames]

First opponent's deck looked like total junk and one of the worst I've seen in this channel. Top without any shuffle effects, Tendrils of Agony with a midrange mana curve, and zero actual broken cards. What was that drafter thinking?

[@itslevi00]

Beza + Karakas seems like it's a lot more powerful than synergy-less Lingering Souls.

[@bricelory9534]

I disagree, myself - the flexibility of Lingering Souls and lower curve is excellent for this sort of midrangey control deck. Karakas is great for Beza, but a 5 mana combo for the EtB just eats up too much mana for a deck that wants to keep up answers alongside its threats.

[@itslevi00]

@@bricelory9534 It doesn't have a lower curve because it's not a curve play. You cannot spend your turn 3 putting two 1/1 fliers into play and expect to win. Basically every 2-drop in the format overpowers your 3-drop, that's like definitionally the opposite of curving out. I genuinely don't get how LSV is high on this card with no Skullclamp and no realistic GY/discard synergy. I'm pretty sure even an 18th land was better.

[@richwilliams1863]

lingering souls did a lot in these games

[@JimmyNumbers-q2g]

Pollich Creek

[@ErrolKowal-h2x]

Yundt Loop

[@brianh5844]

A bit surprised you weren't tempted to take Tamiyo over Thoughtseize due to its ability to buy back time walk!

[@DoloresRichardson-n8q]

Anderson John Johnson Shirley Brown Edward

[@earlarawesley465]

Anderson Donna Lopez Cynthia Lewis Sandra

[@jesselove3715]

pee wave

[@justineells7518]

Just never takes Shorakai. Such an underrated card. Hate how much he ignores it. Just wrong.