DRAGE RACE: 200 Series vs 300 Series! Which one is quicker?

Which car would you have your money on? The V8 diesel in the 200 Series or the smaller capacity engine in the 300 Series? In this episode we find out which one is actually faster!
We also take you behind the scene of some engineering brake tests that were conducted on the 300 Series Landcruiser.

[@dunsborough4921]

Begins at 7.20

[@craigwoodward4566]

Be good to see the Y62 drag the 300

[@stevegame8221]

My mate’s have done it. Y62. Petrol bud. They rev out

[@electrikoptik]

@@stevegame8221 The petrol 300-series smokes the Y62 though. Which is fair because it's gas vs gas.

[@paulmcintosh5589]

@@electrikoptik NA vs twin turbo in the petrol,

[@electrikoptik]

@@paulmcintosh5589 3.4 liter vs 5.6 liter in the petrol.

[@paulmcintosh5589]

@@electrikoptik 3.4 is twin turbo in petrol and the 5.7 NA when they drag raced them in Saudi Arabia

[@garryrichardson4572]

I like the way the 200 plants down at the back on launch . Seems the electronics control launch and keep things moderate.

[@sfm.x]

Great content. The 300 is slowly growing on me

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

Thank you! Us too!

[@hadler42]

Great video guys. Great to see the testing stages

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

Thank you Ash. Both good cars but a little bit different to each other.

[@adamnorton9701]

The low down grunt of the 200 is the winner for me..

[@DarrenBoxhall]

Let me guess, you have a 200?

[@Sam-LC300]

@@DarrenBoxhall " I prefer the thing known" Love all these confirmation bias people 🤣

[@DarrenBoxhall]

@@Sam-LC300 ridiculous hey, hahaha

[@paulmcintosh5589]

It has been mentioned by some of the tuners that torque isn’t as great in the 300 as the 200 when tuning comes into it due to a small torque band and the 10 speed.

[@craigdavid6668]

@@DarrenBoxhall We will also take a guess that you can’t afford either a 200 or 300😂

[@TheMostBlessed1]

My love for LC200 vs the few seconds difference,,,, until further notice.

[@Adhdroamer]

As much as the 300 is the new shiny toy I'd have to agree with you as time goes on the 200 will be like the 80 series be that iconic 4wd that everyone wants

[@MandeepSingh-nm2qj]

The landcruiser 200 going off the line stronger than the 300 and then the 300 catching up and beating the 200 later shows that the initial shove of that big v8 diesel is still unmatched despite forced induction winning the horsepower war, and the drag eventually. I would always prefer the big v8

[@MasaiGainz]

Properly tested! No messing about! Reuben you’re great mate, love the channel. First caught you on 4x4 24/7 but loving the channel here! Cheers from Kenya!

[@AdventureCampingAustralia]

The Bull bar would be slowing the 200 down at high speed.

[@hadler42]

Looking at the 300 as I want to travel our awesome country. So I’ll be watching all these videos and crunching some numbers

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

That is correct Benjamin

[@joseywales3789]

"Destruction Testing!" That's impressive! It would be interesting to see if the 300s discs warped or its pads burned up to be less effective? I think that Ruben is right, the 300s auto box has the edge over the 200s and that certainly helped on the drag race. Toyota put its "Research and Development" money into the drivetrain, the engine and gearbox for the 300, the looks are similar but it's lighter and the V6 with the turbos in the valley makes for a compact package, let's see what the mechanics think about working on it? In my opinion....... it's NOT a HUGE LEAP FORWARD but it's an upgrade!

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

Hey Josey - the 300 didn't warp the pads and it still continued to brake very well when hot. It was quite impressive! Some of the things you mention will take some time to really know, but it is good to go through the process and learn more about about the car.

[@joseywales3789]

@@dirtymuddyweekends, Thanks for your reply. When I think about the Landcruiser, the huge leap forward from the 60 series to the 80 series brought it from being an "agricultural vehicle" to being a very capable off road luxury vehicle. There's not that huge leap from the 200 series to the 300 series and only time will tell if the drivetrain is a great improvement. Another thing that Ruben didn't mention about the 300 was the amount of aluminium used in the body to reduce weight. Practically every panel is alloy, a lot more than the 200 and how durable is the body on the tough tracks? I am impressed with the 300s acceleration and stopping once it was loaded up with weight. Toyota seems to have got that right. Thanks again! 👍✌🍻

[@mohammedmuzakkir9803]

Another good review as usual, love every bit of it, newer technology, smaller motor, newer transmission is just amazing on 300, that's why people buy diesel for better fuel consumption and better torque

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

Thanks Mohammed :)

[@Nico-kz6sg]

I just bought a 2018 200 series with 7000kms on the odometer. I think I made the best decision ever. For keeps.

[@bigboy9842]

That chopped 62 😍

[@Coastmac2001]

Probably not surprising. The V8 oiler in the LC 200 added weight. The V6 LC 300 oiler is a lighter more responsive vehicle. But that V8 rumble just can't be matched by the V6

[@austinaubinoe2195]

I love how when you start a 5.7L anything it roars.

[@mice6390]

Oh yes can

[@DaiLoo888]

200 V8 got more power at first because of 8 piston even on the low RPM, 300 v6 starting got the power at high RPM because of the twin turbo, for offroad we dont need speed but power on low RPM, for efficiency and long range 300 is the winner, for offroad hill, sand , mud and crawling v8 definately the winner

[@commonsense-grs]

Now I would like to bring my Jeep Trackhawk along to your drag race and then you can see how quick a 4WD really is.

[@ragchaasurengalindev]

I wonder if you could control the upper gears of the 300. Put them both in the manual mode and do not let the 300 go beyond 6th or 7th :)

[@paulmcintosh5589]

Y62.. A Big NA 8 been the go to for a lot more years, keep the small capacity, light weight internals, high pressure, light oil type, Leeds to oil usage all to achieve environmental regs.

[@brawlstarsreplays]

7:15 Round 1 8:06 Round 2 8:56 Round 3 10:24 Round 4 10:59 Round 5

[@paulmcintosh5589]

200kgs lighter, it will be interesting to see if the alloy panels crack in rough environments like other alloy car panels do. Particularly with bull bars on the front.

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

Time will tell. They have been tested for a long time in Australia in their test units. However mass production will mean more units in the field, so more chances to see how things hold up.

[@jadoo868]

This looks like so much fun.

[@MOREENGINEERING]

Another great video, thank you.😃 I love my 200 but with 235,000km. I ready for a change. My problem is I can't make up my mind which colour!!!!! My Prado and 200 are both Graphite but I'm ready for a change in colour too. I like the new Prado Blue(really dark) but of course not available in the 300. I'm not really a red person but Mazda do a nice deep red/Burgandy(so no joy there). The white looks great but everybody has one. I'm in a dilemma .....oh the pain!! Keep up the great videos Ruebin, love em😀

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

Tough decisions! Good luck, mate. 😀 Thanks for watching!

[@DTGTDetectingTheGoldenTriangle]

Both stock very close I wonder what the difference will be tuned as we all know the v8 has incredible improvements I think the v6 will be tuned closer to it's limit from the factory

[@marcgucciardo1942]

Efficiency wise the 300 will destroy the 200

[@calewalton6704]

Waaay wrong.

[@DTGTDetectingTheGoldenTriangle]

As a diesel mechanic myself of 25 years experience in the trade and 10 years as business owner . I would have to have to say you can not make more power from a smaller engine without sacrificing longevity hence the reason all heavy road transport vehicles are over 11 liters engine capacity. The only reason you drop cylinders or capacity is the beat emissions. It's not for more power not better economy not for more torque its only a v6 now for emissions reasons facts.

[@marielachristian8666]

Lookout they both deadly big beasties, ayy. Love em both. They sound soooo goood

[@VaM609]

Great channel guys. Just discovered it. Keep it coming

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

Thanks, mate! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@joeop5104]

Hey champ great vid again Should of put the Y62 in the mix, do you think it can compete with the diesels

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

Cheers Joe. The Y62 has had some mods so it may. not be a fair comparison. It would be interesting though!

[@joeop5104]

@@dirtymuddyweekends Nice, now you have me intrigued, what's done to the beast

[@jackross2524]

Y62 will destroy both in a straight line

[@peterdoyle3205]

Did you use the Power mode or just the standard mode?

[@puranappu8043]

that ZX has a sports+ mode.

[@kevinbrinckley1027]

200 has bullbar hanging off the front? Extra Weight?

[@TheUKNZ]

Hi guys, great video…what wheels and tyres have you fitted to the 300? Look great.

[@mytube449]

Would be a great test say towing a 3ton brick/caravan by both vehicles in a normal environment like hills and the like

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

G'day Scott. We have done two towing test videos. 200 series vs Y62 and a few weeks back also released a towing test on the 300 Series as well.Both are available on our KZbin channel. :)

[@Tom-lf8hx]

Would be curious how much the 200 is weight wise vs the 300, as the 200 has bar work, 33s and a gvm upgrade 🤔

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

It was a little heavier with the bar and they are a slightly heavier car.

[@Tom-lf8hx]

@@dirtymuddyweekends cheers for the reply mate, yeah thats what i was thinking, good work on the vid tho 👌

[@paulberry9391]

Keep the testing video's coming, and will you have a GCM upgrade available also as part of the GVM?

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

G'day Paul - thank you! We will keep you posted on this one :)

[@franciscoshi1968]

Did you record the 0-100kph time and the top speed? What is involved in the GVM upgrade? What do you need to achieve to pass?

[@rezuuz]

Thank you for your video 😊👍

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

Thanks Riaz :)

[@adamharris4573]

Another great review. What are wheels and tyres on LC300?

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

🍻

[@madrx2]

Before even watching 300 series hands down. When my 100 series was running 195awkw/650nm to the wheels it was dead even with a mates new 300 at the lights. Not bad for a stocker!! Also how many blokes are running ROH assault's now lol *including myself lol

[@Turbofte]

I’ll have your hungy any day over the 300 🤙

[@madrx2]

@@Turboftehaha thanks brother

[@markh5846]

I'm confused ,your beginning the Drag race at the 660 ft marker ??

[@defjam2026]

Is that lock up or smoke from the brakes?

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

Depends on which part of the video you are referring to Drew. It was both at different times. :)

[@madmantovalhalla6971]

@DMW My 200/ 2021 kdss twin lock running 4.3diff gears ⚙️ 33.4in tyers full exhaust tuned running 21psi boost 4 wheel drifts on road. The diff gear have fix the 6 gear problem. But the only thing I like about the 300 is 10 speed auto and Apple play that's it

[@danbskyguy]

Now that you’ve got that out, do you feel better about yourself?

[@madmantovalhalla6971]

@Dan B no I'm just suck of people doing video pushing a V6 pushed to its limits agenst a V8 running at 50% and saying its better its not and as far as technology goes they are both 4 valves per cylinder direct injection twin turbos so a 3.3L pushing 20-25psi boost VS a 4.5L pushing 15-17psi boost is not a real comp. At the same boost the V8 will smoke the V6

[@jackross2524]

Haha your full of it. At best your cruiser will trigger traction control in the dry from a launch, no way your 4 wheel drifting in the dry because it has soooo much power. Video or it never happened

[@madmantovalhalla6971]

@Jack Ross @Jack Ross WOW, remember I'm running 4.3diff gears ⚙️ and it ezy to turn off TC 🙂 And yes, it drifts comming out of turns under power 4wheel spins. So I'm a machine of 25yrs and has work in the performance industry for 10yr. I do my own work. So you are the fool so GFC

[@clipzed]

Who gives a fuck drive whatever you want

[@butchfajardo8832]

I still prefer the V8 of the 200. One question. Can the new 10-speed transmission fit the V8 engine?

[@hydrofatty1232]

This man is asking the important questions. Ive got an 80 series I'm looking to do a V8 conversion on.

[@niceazzzzzzzzzzzzzzz]

Good vid but does that 200 have a idrive could Be helping it off the line

[@Martin-mq7dn]

What is the tire size of the 300?

[@druggsrus]

toyota should bring out a vtwin harley motor hooked to a 22speed roadranger gear box, would sound awsome use even less fuel and pull 30 tonne

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

your lucky to get LC200 now the LC300 ,LC70s and diesels. no LC300 in the US , all we get are over priced $65-$125k us $, 3 row, gas hog, luxury wagons, suv = leather ,2 sunroofs , independent rear axels , the 4runner , Lexus GX460 {pardo} is the only wagon's ,left with solid rear axels and the new bronco and the wranglers, if we could only get a basic, base model off road LC 300 in the us id buy it over a defender or bronco @$70k

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

Thanks for tuning in! What is your pic of vehicles in the states?

[@deceptikhon]

Hard to imagine anyone would buy a Landcruiser for a racing purposes.... I'd be more concerned about the longevity of a smaller motor pushing out more power and torque.

[@miraboi1]

Unsure of your finish line but if its the light post the 300 come around and clinched it on the line in that last race haha

[@muppin22.]

You should make video 79 and 300

[@jc7654]

interesting vid Rubin, so how much has to change for it to get a gvm upgrade is it just suspension and wheels or does the brakes need work as well

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

Thanks JC. We will keep you posted on the GVM side of things once the process has been completed. :)

[@aussienscale]

Would be a joke if the 300 didn't win !! Found myself rocking trying to will the both of them on, ended up going to the kitchen to turn the kettle on and come back to finish watching the first race 😂😂

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

LOL!

[@bradkoch9978]

Let’s see the Y62 up against the 300 with some real world Rueben drag racing 👍🏻

[@georgepppp533]

lets do that over 900 klms without refueling

[@OE-vc5si]

Is the rear chassis of LC300 same to LC200 ??? The question is can I fit Bring towbar from LC 200 on LC300 ??? Waiting for your response Thanks

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

The tow bar is build into the chassis the same as the 200 Series OE.

[@stephenkop2553]

When will you be publisizing the products you have used for the GVM upgrade and will this upgrade be the same for other grade of the LC300 like the VX for instance?

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

Once it is all confirmed Stephen :)

[@tommypaintingplastering2854]

you need setup weight : bullbar, winch, rearbar ….. and then you will know .

[@trevorgunzler6155]

still like the 200 more

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

They are a great car!

[@xandersaliba7794]

What would be more capable tho In terms of tuneabliliy or mods

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

A little too early to tell on the 300. Both are good cars, just different.

[@jeremygeduldt936]

Australian men Reuben & Glen drag race a 300 & 200 series Toyota Land Cruiser .

[@stevenausten9935]

Great performance review, thanks for posting 👍

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

Thanks for watching Steven :)

[@vtct_ytaa]

perhaps if you turned off vsc and traction control the 300 series would not dial back when stalling it up? (same goes for 200 series maybe?)

[@paulmcintosh5589]

In the drag tests it would have Been great to do fuel as well, iam still not sold on the fuel burn but I guess that 10speed saves the little engine, What would you do if the 4.5 had a ten speed auto????

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

Good question. Hard to know without testing :)

[@troymeredith9528]

To be honest Personally I thought the 300 series where really ugly,same as the new y62’s but they are slowly growing on me.I love the Super charged 62 Rueben .awesome .

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

Beauty is subjective. Try driving one. You'll love it even more. :)

[@troymeredith9528]

@dmw4x4 I am trying to get one mate.I was saving to get a tray of you guys for my D40 nav .talj to you more about that later.

[@w_stanky]

200 series jumped the line in all bar the last race where the 300 wiped the floor with it. Going off PDrive who do these tests for a living the 300series is within point 2 of a sec from a V8 patrol. I know you love the 200 Rueben I love them to but the 300 series flogs a 200 in a straight line. Case closed.

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

Yep, it appears that way. We agree.

[@aussienscale]

12 years of development and new tech, they almost caught up to the Y62 😀 But will be leapfrogged again when the new Patrol is launched in the next year or two 👍

[@w_stanky]

@@aussienscale meh not bothered with the Nissan Toyota games. They almost caught the Nissan in a straight line but have been ahead for decades in many areas. They both have their pro and cons.

[@aussienscale]

@@w_stanky 😀HEHE I know but could not resist 👍

[@craigdavid6668]

@@aussienscale Hopefully the new Patrol also gets a new interior instead of a 20 year old design, maybe then it wouldn’t get outsold 10 to 1, good engine though.

[@lewisndhlovu89]

Are they diesel or gas?

[@mattmcewan5806]

Bull bar might have something to do with it aswell

[@theshadesofamber3224]

Interested to know the specs on the wheels and tires on the 300 including offset please guys?

[@clipzed]

me too!

[@slowboat6021]

an airbox problem is AN ENGINE problem. unfortunately after my father inlaw blew 3 gearboxes in his 2 LC's he got a Prado, towed better, got better fuel economy, more reliable and was more comfortable.

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

Thanks, slowboat!

[@calsfishing2620]

Would like to see both vehicles going head to head towing a van each exactly the same up an incline over a 500 meter stretch....I reckon the 200 would piss all over the 300 every time....

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

We have done a tow test on the 300 towing a van. It was very good.

[@danielthornton3277]

Drag race = 16 minutes of vid....must be slow down the 1/4 lol

[@jason12lru]

Is their any big HP 300s yet? 350+

[@ralph04ification]

Well...the 300 replaces engine oil with air as it moves along....less weight to carry.

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

:)

[@MrGgraham76]

and I'm guessing that 200 has had a remap

[@timsorensen2085]

Let’s be honest they are both over rated turds that are over priced and under equiped

[@Tom-lf8hx]

So what would you buy instead?

[@MrTigger77777]

@@Tom-lf8hx Grenadier (September ish release date)

[@seadoomania]

Iveco truck 🤔

[@clipzed]

@@MrTigger77777 like an 18+ month wait now :(

[@MrTigger77777]

@@clipzed I should be getting a Grenadier at the end of 2022

[@boxandtravel]

can we see it with a caravan behind each now or maybe each fully loaded :P

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

LOL.

[@danielrogers4072]

What are the wheels on the 300?

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

ROH wheels Daniel.

[@clipzed]

@@dirtymuddyweekends what size? What are the tyres (and size) is it stock or lifted?

[@brianm5753]

Everyone low-key rooting for the 200

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

LOL

[@82muli]

Any actual timed runs?

[@Romeo-lu7wt]

These vehicles are for towing ,put a 3 t van behind each , to see there pulling power.

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

G'day Romeo, we have a couple of towing videos on our channel on both of these cars. Cheers

[@rollyb5061]

these 300's will flood the market, just like all the landcruisers in the past

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

Absolutely Rolly.

[@jamesmarks1724]

now have a go against the y62?

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

Unfortunately our Y62 is far from stock these days, so it may not be a good fair comparison.

[@thomasluggiero3413]

Well that third race was the driver, not the vehicle

[@stewatparkpark2933]

The 300 is lighter than the 200 so not sure what has been proven .

[@electrikoptik]

Every new generation you have people clinging to the old tech and swearing by it. We saw this happen when the 2UZ first came out. Many people thought it would be less reliable than the 1FZ because a V8 simply is more complex than a straight-6 engine. When the 1VD replaced the 1HD-FTE you also had doubters. And now the cycle repeats. Many 1VD fans are doubting the new V6.

[@Sam-LC300]

Get to the bakery during smoko faster

[@craigdavid6668]

@@electrikoptik This time the new technology also sees a significant reduction in capacity though, the straight 6 is still commanding big $$.

[@ishanrivimal8241]

❤️🔥

[@elitevbman]

He let you win race 3 because you are the boss.

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

LOL

[@diyanything4319]

i fell asleep with the slow motion, Who won?

[@dancohen258]

Whats the 200 a 6 speed auto... 300 is a 10 speed... If the 200 had the same transmission the 200 would eat the 300...

[@DarrenBoxhall]

Mate, the 300 has a better engine, it's not the gearbox

[@Bigsoot7393]

@@gunndb it makes more power and more torque? So why isn't it better

[@gunndb]

@@Bigsoot7393 haha I tried to reply to the donut you commented to. I have a 300. I start to read the comments on a vlog like this and lose my shit. It is a 200 vs 300 vlog and all the flogs make comments on anything but. Patrols etc FFS who cares. Stick to the topic

[@Bigsoot7393]

@@gunndb yeah sorry mate too many darrens haha

[@gunndb]

@@Bigsoot7393 Darren not Karen

[@chucai]

lol... the v8 diesel was a failure , the v6 was much improved version. just look at the location of the turbo for the diesel

[@VetteObsessed]

With four more gears and less weight the 300 has the advantage.

[@peterj5751]

What a pity that Toyota never fixed the dreadful programming of the auto gearbox. I love my 200 series but gearbox drives me insane. It is as if the programmer was on ice.

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

I think they were programmed for countries that have faster roads that we have here in Australia. With more speed it will get into 6th. Have you considered a transmission remap Peter to help with that?

[@peterj5751]

@@dirtymuddyweekends I’ve had one done which is a big improvement but the torque converter lock in 5th is the biggest remaining annoyance. It’s such a pity that after 14 years of production Toyota never sorted this. I get the feeling they changed the shift points for the diesel as an afterthought but never really bothered to do the job well. It seems to want to get the revs to 3000rpm any time some torque is needed which is probably about right for the NA petrol engines in the US and Saudi but all wrong for the diesel we get. It’s only a theory though.

[@SHADYFUN]

200 v8 quicker out the box more savage 👍

[@remyche8768]

200 is brake boosting

[@rogerburman4211]

Mm not sure that was the most objective review. Sahara vs Sahara? The top 200 is Sahara horizon and top 300 is Sahara zx, not Sahara.

[@jetset8888]

Lc300 will be a cult car - lc 200 see you

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

We agree Jet. :)

[@tyzon00800]

Where is the race 5mins of how good u are dribble and then you repeat your self like watching grass grow

[@Caleb-vk9xm]

What was your husband doing with his hand on your head rest. 😂

[@dimi4358]

6:03 arghhhhh

[@dirtymuddyweekends]

👍

[@petea2721]

What is this crap. Very fair test. You will never make it testing like this.

[@effkay3691]

spend 150k to get rid of my V8 200 for a V6 with no whiz bang suspension....I Don't Think So

[@commonsense-grs]

That bloke in the 300 is totally useless at drag racing, asleep at the wheel at the starts.