This team literally cannot be killed, stupid disrupt, counters, insane defenses. Crazy.
@gsplaysgui77102 ай бұрын
The GOAT, bt where are your edits?
@Shadow45672 ай бұрын
@@gsplaysgui7710he just made a majin vegeta one it’s fire
@piscajr2 ай бұрын
I hate that meta😔
@bewise74662 ай бұрын
I hate facing this team
@zidanehoosen74402 ай бұрын
And sustainability too
@elkiritosan7202 ай бұрын
I unfortunately got shafted for Majin Vegeta, and being forced to face him every match makes the game so unenjoyable. He just does too much to the point that it is either you run him or you lose.
@RobG20012 ай бұрын
Not quite if you have any viable reds, treeku, UL UI, or UL Gohan you can reliably counter or eat the blue from his guage
@just_sonic2 ай бұрын
@@RobG2001 yeah but what happens if you were never around to get those characters? or just got shafted terribly when the banners comes back? it's literally just unplayable atp when im getting punished for idk playing the game?? esp almost all UMV players I run into are just insanely passive.
@lakaka51692 ай бұрын
@@RobG2001 99% of viable reds die to green card+ult. Treeku is solid but UL UI and SSJ2 gohan are below the standards unless you have 10+stars on them. My 5star UI dies in 2,3 blasts and FSK is not much better. Both of them are abviously ult one shots and even though they can counter his counter they still made a mediocre tradeoff. His counter got him off a whole combo and your counter only neutralizes a single blue card.
@lastorderyt13852 ай бұрын
@@RobG2001 hm and what happens when he just aoe u like he gains neutral and just wipes ur red away with his ult anyway. This rat is somehow worse than rathan at his peak with s17 combo.
@SensoSP2 ай бұрын
11:47 Spongebob and Patrick hitting eachother over the head calling eachother Dirty Dan until Sandy woke up
@freshprinceofval-lair60672 ай бұрын
I had the exact same thought
@yaboynk2 ай бұрын
Imo godku is the most fun unit to use out of the ones that came out from the anniversary till now
@corruptedhooman32682 ай бұрын
Absolutely I still run him to this day! I run him and treeku and umv my favorite setup
@prateeksinghgahla10822 ай бұрын
I would say gotenks and omega are up there too
@azrael19-j1s2 ай бұрын
I genuinely hate Majin Vegeta more than Ultra Gohan when he was in his prime.
@kingleeks21112 ай бұрын
alright calm down buddy. the meta now is definitely worse, but thats only because UMV AND Turles AND Treeku. UMV alone is definitely not as bad as Cryhan was in his prime.
@its_Criminal12 ай бұрын
He's definitely worse. He's gohan on steroids @@kingleeks2111
@shad79t792 ай бұрын
the difference with ultrahan is that if you activated his counter you didnt die. you activate vegetas counter and your unit loses more than 50% hp this is why umv feels worse which he actually is. people are just grasping at straws defending majin vegeta cause its the first meta vegeta unit in this game's history lol
@azrael19-j1s2 ай бұрын
@@kingleeks2111 aight bro he’s by far the most annoying, broken , no skill unit . Any red character gets completely annihilated by him with his ULT, there’s absolutely nothing you can do against MV
@persiasX2 ай бұрын
@@kingleeks2111I think bro should know that in ultra gohan's time you could choose which character to sack if you activated his gauge but with this unit you don't have a choice most of the time which is just stupid and this character really is more annoying than ultra gohan in his prime, I really can't wait to see him get countered and destroyed in legends fest.
@jesuschrist86252 ай бұрын
This team might be worse than the Gohan/S17/Cell combo 😭
@Go-get-a-Job2 ай бұрын
Hell naw, that was defo worse
@jesuschrist86252 ай бұрын
@@Go-get-a-JobWhile I do believe Gohan completely pimp smacking all Foward Strike-Attacks and S17’s unmatched snowball effect was hellish, UMV completely punishing the entire team for landing a lock-in Ult on a Purple caught lacking + a Blast Counter gauge that procs through CC all while having Ultra Turles have rush control and a method of stealing ki, gaining health, Damn near all the matches are going to timer if you somehow survive. Though I may sound bias as I was running that demon GRN/RED/RED team myself 😭
@wodahs22182 ай бұрын
I am inclined to agree because at least if people had Yamcha(probably not) he would completely bulldoze that team to a pretty unfair degree. No red character atm apart from maybe Gotenks is getting past Turles.
@wesgannon46212 ай бұрын
The thing that makes Majin Vegeta so insane too is that he has like a TON of intangibles. He's increasing sub count by 5. He's inflicting a ton of bleed and recovery down. He's drawing a green with his blue when his gauge is full. He's nullifying destroy card effects. His buffs activate when he is FACED with an enemy not just when he enters the battlefield. He's overtuned in so many ways that he really didn't need to be
@black.lockhart2 ай бұрын
I thought this was gonna be a 3 hour long video for how the matches goes with this team
@MetalFairyX2 ай бұрын
honestly i really love the rants and criticisms of the games that you talk about. it gives reassurance that im doing the correct thing to wait to play pvp until the game is in a better state rather than forcing myself to fight matches that go on forever and arent enjoyable to play. and this is coming from someone who has gotten shafted on nearly every banner so getting the "counters" to these characters just isn't a thing for me. the game is in a bad spot rn and people need to just accept that
@Cloudi2Nice2 ай бұрын
You should start adding full commentary on these, I don’t just watch you for the gameplay, you’re better than everyone else I know and you’re unironically funny as hell.
@Marcelo-ep8nq2 ай бұрын
19:08 bro was talking about drip hank hill😭🙏🏾
@Bbros24232 ай бұрын
We got what we wanted, guys... Vegeta is #1. What did it cost? Everything.
@Basedgeta2 ай бұрын
Majin Vegeta is not as much of a problem as the combo of Treeku and Turles. That combo started this all, they could have released any ultra and the team would have been treeku, turles and the new unit.
@capnuge74882 ай бұрын
Yoooo this is literally exactly what I was thinking minus them you could actually finish a fight why is he hating on MV so hard his main complaint is bringing nothing new and they don’t and the matches lasting too long which is because of them but he keeps saying it’s because MV ish is annoying
@Basedgeta2 ай бұрын
@@capnuge7488 Exactly. Treeku is ulthan on steriods + he does so much annoying things in the background. Turles is our first Ultra Revive unit basically lol
@kamehameha9692 ай бұрын
I agree that Turles/Treeku is mainly at fault for the meta we have now but MV is definitely not a good addition outside of being a Vegeta unit. Multiple disrupts and a counter gauge that locks in and punishes the opponent on activation might be the most toxic mechanic we've been introduced to this year
@corruptedhooman32682 ай бұрын
@@kamehameha969most toxic? No way when there's literally gogeta and Gohan who had worse gauges
@capnuge74882 ай бұрын
@@corruptedhooman3268 it was only a matter of time before the Vegeta hate came 🤣🤣 all the broken nonsense in this game, Vegeta finally get a # 1 character and everyone loses it . Turles and Treeku make no sense nobody asked for or needed them they ruined the meta and somehow MV is the problem 🤔 not to mention how they were basically giving away Ultra Gogeta 4 copies I almost 14 stared him free and destroyed that was cool though I guess because it’s half Goku 😂
@TheDeckSpot2 ай бұрын
Man! I really love your top 10 videos. Especially the more interesting ones like Top 10 worst units or top 10 most annoying units
@AwwHaleYea2 ай бұрын
I am a VC fanatic and it's finally nice to have a character to help the tag compete and I will use him forever. He is pretty dumb but when is there not a dumb character in the meta. I'll take pain like this over characters like TreeKu and turles anyday.
@tkay252 ай бұрын
Lol by that logic When have we ever had a good turles?
@AwwHaleYea2 ай бұрын
@tkay25 not referring to the characters but the kits and meta. I'm just not a fan of timer metas.
@spiritcode1232 ай бұрын
I have UMV, but i do not feel satisfied, i cannot feel the joy after the victory, i feel sorry for the opponent because just how unfair UMV is in the environment, i do not have fun using him, using him just represents a range of 70% to 80% victory, shameless and unfairness...
@ilcaglia2 ай бұрын
day 3 asking goresh to marry me.
@JACQUEZ232 ай бұрын
He don't u Lil bro
@RandomShadyDude2 ай бұрын
If you look like frieza then maybe.
@omni52442 ай бұрын
Goresh may me despite enough to do so.
@gr1m333x22 ай бұрын
I now pronounce you husband and husband
@kazumakiryu82312 ай бұрын
@@JACQUEZ23 Hey pal, did you Just Blow in from stupid town?
@iskadoodle72 ай бұрын
the difference between using him and not using him is actually crazy. I play casually and somehow have managed to get very high ranks because of him. Its like you mentioned in the video that sometimes i dont want to even switch with him and stay with him for 50-60 counts. He is just so opressive
@Peaceful_Mex2 ай бұрын
Goresh before UMV release: We finally got a top tier dominant Vegeta unit. Goresh after UMV release: I don’t really enjoy using him.
@drscatt2 ай бұрын
That's me at 27:39 I thought I played pretty well but obviously there were a couple misplays here and there
@John_Smith_2 ай бұрын
I love timer metas because the single matches get more tense and skill based rather coin flip based, but that's just me I guess!
@spice13872 ай бұрын
47:43 Toshi's Strongest UI goku player
@ProShidder2 ай бұрын
How you feel about Majin Vegeta is the way I felt about using UG4 when he released. He was so mind numbingly broken that it took away some of the enjoyment from the game when I used him.
@noelvermillionshilling41782 ай бұрын
i do watch you to get good your point of views from a very dedicated player, as for the point that you raised, yes i got to 70 this seasson due to how long it was, MV also helps a lot because he carries too much if both players are of equal skill the one that has MV filters the other one, since he resets to neutral many times.
@Yeet420692 ай бұрын
Bro forget majin vegeta, turles is the real problem. He is defensively the craziest character we have seen so far.
@John_Smith_2 ай бұрын
I'm not using MV because I'm forced to, I'm using him because in 6 years Vegeta got severely disrespected in Legends and MV in particular is my favorite Vegeta form. Sure he's boring to use but it's still Vegeta's time to shine in Legends, possibly the only chance he'll ever get.
@jdontcare85202 ай бұрын
MV had one job before Legends Fest and it was to rid most of the anniversary units and teams from PVP and for the most part, he did his job. No more G4, Ulthan, Kid Buu, Omega, etc.....
@piscajr2 ай бұрын
Umv will probably age just like ultra ssj2 gohan
@tkay252 ай бұрын
Gohan doesn't cancel buffs and draw a blue on counter and heal😹
@piscajr2 ай бұрын
@tkay25 well thats powercreep, maybe umv gonna be powercreeped in the future
@relampio2 ай бұрын
like a fu**ing maggot
@shirotakashi26252 ай бұрын
@@piscajrthat's for sure
@AhmedMohamed-dk7zp2 ай бұрын
@@tkay25lock in ult easy cover null and type null stupid buff cancellation Good distrup
@king_charizar2 ай бұрын
Could you do more commentary next time , really interesting to hear your advice and strategies 💯👍
@Ese_Moreno042 ай бұрын
I personally do like Majin Vegeta as a character, so I like using him in pvp, but I would agree that I feel obligated to use him because of how good he is.
@Dagreat8592 ай бұрын
I remember when goresh used to play ost throughout his video
@albertozanetti21082 ай бұрын
the stupidest part of vegeta's kit is that when you pop his gauge, your hand stays the same. So if you end up w 4 blasts in your hand, you probably lose the game outright.
@patjehuitinga66132 ай бұрын
UMV is just like Ultra Janemba. If you have him you win matches with ease.
@GAMER-ge4py2 ай бұрын
I'm actually having fun using UMV because I love to see one shot UG4 after I did not get him, and he's the reason I quite the game for 2 month
@RSFodder2 ай бұрын
W grind, Gorfat, heh, got em again.
@Ash-ketchumIND2 ай бұрын
Can't wait for a Legends Fest that has uncancellable endurance nullification
@SethEDITZ.2 ай бұрын
They should have just made blue fusing gogeta a unique equip that keeps giving him strike cards that give+2 sub count each hit. until the opponent dies on only Majin vegeta characters.😊
@Ghhjhi-cg7iu2 ай бұрын
people who enjoy these new meta characters worked and had to just hope they would get even one copy of the character, unlike the mindset you have where you know youre getting the character and maxing it out. not knocking your effort or what you do, but not everyone guarantees the new character
@Orenokachidana2 ай бұрын
Goresh is truly majin Vegeta in everything he wants to fight legends like Vegeta did for Goku (joke)
@Tofi9892 ай бұрын
God rank grind me ~~~~~☺️☺️☺️☺️
@Raiden_The_Ripper72 ай бұрын
Be there in 10
@SnipingIsAGoodJobMate2 ай бұрын
Average Gojo fan
@Bobby12p2 ай бұрын
We need an ultra goresh for legends fest where he gets naked upon main ability
@divine79442 ай бұрын
Bro 💀💀💀
@diddykong93662 ай бұрын
we need more dragon ball protection and maybe immune to auto counter gauges like majin vegeta and ss4 gogeta when they fill their own gauge. for example land 3 cards and when the gauge activates you are immune to dragon ball destruction and nullify auto counter gauges for 5 timer counter or 10. then it resets.
@zero254-o9c2 ай бұрын
We defo need more characters to be imune to aoe green Cards imo That’s what makes lf omega really good and super saiyan god Goku too its not a too broken mechanic yet it impacts the fight in a way to help you fight against characters like UMV
@pantora88572 ай бұрын
This is a fitting team for him to have when he's a 69x godly ranked player
@dimeoooo2 ай бұрын
47:43 El hermano no quiere perder 💀
@SaintleSpirit2 ай бұрын
Its alright mate, it will all change once the new units drop and fest starts 👍🏻
@CarbonDiox332 ай бұрын
I'd say both. I use him because he's my favorite dragon ball character, and I've wanted a good solo Vegeta for so long. I also use him because he's one of the only units I have that's usable in pvp. He may be a smidge toxic tho
@bewise74662 ай бұрын
I remember people saying when they release UMV, they have to make him good, but they fumbled so hard because they made him the most hated
@averagerobloxenjoyer65462 ай бұрын
Im even more nervous on how they’re gonna handle the counter for majin vegeta, id rather have a character that’s okay but heavily counters him, like how pikkon/gogeta did to janemba, rather than a insanely dominate character like super 17 did to UI goku
@riccoleily68032 ай бұрын
I think if UMV not does an aoe damage to opponent team with his ultimate, it would make him more balanced.
@JeffreyMontero-wv7bi2 ай бұрын
16:25 UMV is the definition of toxicity right now I don't like fighting him or even using him in the match I would like, to use a unit that not hindered others moved used that unique gauge as bail out to escape the punish.
@alonsharabi72352 ай бұрын
12:50 is what happend to me with ug4 and then majin vegeta i just feel bad using those charecters
@bbqchicken85072 ай бұрын
Even though this timer meta is cooked, I’m just happy I at least get to attack
@youtubegoogleb2 ай бұрын
LEGENDS PLEASE REMOVE TURLES AND TREE GOKU OFF FEATURED BOOST THIS UPCOMING WEEKLY RESET!!! WE NEED IT!! PRAYING ON THEIR DOWNFALL TANKY BS!
@tahakama60442 ай бұрын
Imagine not having majin vegeta in this meta 💀
@rarknightgaming56142 ай бұрын
I'm having very much fun using Majin Vegeta cause I'm doing this with a Vegeta clan team with Super Vegeta rather than every other person running treeku, turles UMV combo.
@Astuto_12 ай бұрын
i enjoy using umv because i love vegeta. i live the vegeta glazing lifestyle
@dimitrisfatouros88282 ай бұрын
The problem with these units is not they re toxic cause of their gimmick but how they are being used.UG4 and UMV in my opinion are offensive units and people use them like their green card is their best part.when I face an opponent who uses UMV like I do (offensively) the match doesn't last long for either of us.
@dillongeorge58662 ай бұрын
Only good thing about Majin Vegeta is that we finally got a really good Vegeta. That’s it, the only benefit 😂
@irob2jz2 ай бұрын
I've been using ultra ss2 gohan in this meta, I haven't used him since he came out
@papajanemba2 ай бұрын
Above BR65 you are guaranteed to face UMV , TURTLES OR TREEKU its just slug fest now
@AmitysWake2 ай бұрын
I haven't played much this year. Being f2p I've had zero luck on any summons
@kingklutch61422 ай бұрын
i agree with the main character statement, since i don’t have tre goku, i run, Ultra Majin vegeta, goku and bardock, and fusing gogeta blue
@gr1m333x22 ай бұрын
I legit run somethin VERY similar to this comp. Since I don’t have Treeku im actually runnin Feetku but i don’t have Bardock Zenkaied so my bench is Zenkai SSJ2 Goku, EvoGeta, & OG Nameku. Team got me to my first god rank
@tkay252 ай бұрын
Feetku?
@gr1m333x22 ай бұрын
@ Zenkai Raditz fight Goku
@knight64962 ай бұрын
If they released an ultra or lf kefla bekive it would help fix many of the games teams since it would oppen the op teams where there is no putting in a goku or vageta
@vicks40862 ай бұрын
havent played much legends this season, only doing dailys, playing co-op instead of pvp, bc you cant enjoy the game with majin vegeta in every match, this is the first time since the fsk, future, and revival gohan meta where i just have no motivation to play the game
@theoutcaster85382 ай бұрын
I've gottem at 12 star and even i agree he is just broken sadly. It's insane.
@Spamaccount9992 ай бұрын
Could we see a ULTRA ssj2 gohan revisit? I figure since majin vegeta's releaae someone would do a revisit you or rai and neither of you have from my memory
@instrumenbesar2 ай бұрын
yeah im.. im taking a break. peace. see yall during legendsfest
@noulhss46322 ай бұрын
To answer the question that goresh asked in the video I would only use UMV (if I had him) not because I would have fun but because I haven’t pulled a new unit since S17 released and I want to take revenge on everyone who has exterminated me with the new units Edit: I also spent 60k cc on the anniversary and like 100euro and didn’t pull anything I took a break from the game for 2 months and now I open it from time to time to play some PvP.
@pf0r2 ай бұрын
therapist: the gay team isnt real, it cant hurt you the gay team:
@joebanana80062 ай бұрын
I wish goresh would dress up as Bulma in booty shorts
@Reborn14002 ай бұрын
When is the green baby vegeta revisit
@DaDokkaning2 ай бұрын
26:47 so I’ve been playing since 1st anniversary and I can honestly say never in my life have I been bored of a unit this much. Majin vegeta was also the reason I hit my first god rank and don’t feel proud abt it at all. The only thing that I can say was slightly fun abt majin was constantly drawing green cards out of luck and forcing so many forfeits because of it. Other than that he’s boring. He offers nothing new,just a broken ultra.
@justiemartinez59252 ай бұрын
I think people that dislike your outlook on the game. Haven’t been playing for long. Me that’s been being playing since day one I can agree with most of goresh Opinion
@Ali__C2 ай бұрын
i am boxed into using UMV, i have not pulled a unit since G4.... and that made it impossible for me to keep up and play.
@Go-get-a-Job2 ай бұрын
Goresh you promised that video with the gammas plat, we NEVER FORGET.
@edwinmendez27942 ай бұрын
Thank you for the negative commentator warning. It prepares me mentally
@relampio2 ай бұрын
i tried to use zenkai buu bros to grind some positions, yes i am a fool
@omni52442 ай бұрын
Crazy mechanic. what if they release a character that can combine cards.
@CypherSuperShadow2 ай бұрын
I have 18100 Rp Is That Enough For God Rank Before The Season Ends Or Should I Grind More ? Plz Anyone Answer
@alejandrovillalobos94742 ай бұрын
If you're dedicated then its always nice to grind just a bit more over due to last second grinders.
@CypherSuperShadow2 ай бұрын
@alejandrovillalobos9474 okay
@deletochocolate51882 ай бұрын
What's with all these crazy upload streak, You're short on money or som?
@rampage65722 ай бұрын
DAIMA GOD RANK GRIND WHEN??? 💪💪💪
@JackieBucks2 ай бұрын
I think the only reason you'd use Majin Vegeta is because of his oppressive presence in the meta, not because he is genuinely fun. He is not "tightly designed" or "unique", he was just created to be a roadblock and it disrupts the flow of every single match. I think this Legends Fest needs to reset this atrocious meta and make the game feel actually fun because the amount of options we are given as players is so limited that there is genuinely no point in using anything else besides 2 teams in order to even have a chance. You'd think with the character choices this year that it'd be an amazing year but it's turned into one of the worst in this game's history.
@mrshykid25702 ай бұрын
ppl mad cuz vegeta finally has a top tier standalone unit
@king_charizar2 ай бұрын
27:11 the meta at the time sadly forces me UMV😢
@Chesterlinkin412 ай бұрын
No sé de qué se quejan, cuando llegó GSS4 Ultra los free to play ya no tenían cristales y la mayoría no lo tuvieron. Era un meta en que si no tenías a GSS4 simplemente estabas muerto, y todo el que lo tenía lo llevaba.
@Chesterlinkin412 ай бұрын
PD: Tal vez la única queja *que puedo entender es que el reinado de Vegeta lleva mucho tiempo, podrían haber hecho la season como dice Goresh, de dos partes.
@efc_rackuun2 ай бұрын
I honestly cant wait for Ultra MUI or Ultra beast to completely reduce this guy to fodder, i dont care if there worse to fight, but for a vegets unit to be this non fun to fight, idc, good riddance once hes gone
@roninera76502 ай бұрын
Day 1 of asking goresh to reveal the children he's hiding in his basement
@Dukedamanz2 ай бұрын
Goat
@KamPop-b8w2 ай бұрын
People talk about ultra Vegeta 1. It's a first for Vegeta to actually be good and also assumable ultra 2. Turtles is much better in a 1v1 scenario versus Majin Vegeta 3. In my personal opinion turtle is better but yet he's just fine like let Vegeta have this second of Glory because it ain't coming back
@king_charizar2 ай бұрын
Last season someone reported me (I absolutely did nothing wrong and I can post all my games for proof) and for some reason DBLegends made me start at rank 0 and restart my whole progress and said I was unable to participate ! It’s was absolute BS! I made it back to rank 70 tho 25:07
@Redcoat2-v8u2 ай бұрын
Personally the most fun meta was when ultra rose was release
@galaxyboy14842 ай бұрын
ultra rose absolutely ruined the meta, th whole meta was rock paper scissors, i had rose 10 stars and i still hated it, the constant paralysis, the green cards, the ultimates, combined with ugb, or even hero hercule
@rudy47922 ай бұрын
I think one way they can solve the timer meta they just to make units with assault chain except it’s actually good. These counter gauges whenever there meta (which is basically always the case) slow the game down into a unfun and boring experience. Or simply stop making counter gauges a thing. It’s boring, it’s unfun I can’t believe in a pvp game they would make a mechanic that rewards the player for losing the neutral.
@JimRussels2 ай бұрын
I hope Legends Fest slams UMV to the ground, legit tired of units that enable auto pilot like he does.
@krunfunkled26512 ай бұрын
wish kit for fest part 1lf: tag fusing zamasu red&green pre fusion changes element to dark type post fusion to forever remain neutral first blasts or strike card upon entry post fusion locks counter guages for 15 counts upon entry pre and post gain immunity to card destruction and immunity to card sealing abilities also post fusion has permanent endurance null immune to aoe green cards three times
@kamehameha9692 ай бұрын
Literally the only kit that can save this god forsaken meta
@galaxyboy14842 ай бұрын
this kit wouldnt add anything to the game at all lol, only part would be the perm endurance null. plus, goresh actually talked about locking/nullifying unique gauges in his QnA, he said it was a terrible idea because unique gauges are what usually defines the character, imagine ultra rathan without his counter, he's now a normal lf unit, same for ugb, uvb, and others
@kamehameha9692 ай бұрын
@@galaxyboy1484 It would force people to stop using triple safety units and Red/green would be perfect to counter the YYB meta. Counter gauges would still be useful, just not against that specific unit that has anti-counter gauge mechanics. It wouldnt necessarily make them useless against everyone else
@krunfunkled26512 ай бұрын
@galaxyboy1484 it would tho, the unit would be the first to completely ignore counter guages it would also be the first summonable unit with the dark element also I specify that it would lock only counter guages when attacking because no one likes counter guages it wouldn't shut it down completely as it would still work post 15 counts and against other units
@sebastianpinto33352 ай бұрын
Funny how my fav character is this close to make me want to stop playing the game all together I’m scared for what legends fest will bring
@maxiumite2 ай бұрын
Used the exact same team as you all season and couldn't agree more. It just isn't fun at all.
@yansthebest66952 ай бұрын
Hey guys we're gonna jump into god rank grind Number seventy seventy...
@Fambecool2 ай бұрын
From my experience the problem is not umv but I call it the green card meta and these stand still players with turles and gotanks which is a great character but these greens card spams is ridiculous and turles I dont understand why thay chosen to make him regain health instead of just being a tank and the comeback literally is a free combo and it sucks if the enemy gets the right cards its easily a 99+ combo instead thay should of just remove ki raise arts cost the vanish removal was just unnecessary and add that with characters who all remove buff effects and non cancelled endurance just sucks this meta is literally if you dont have these characters you lose and its atrocious and sickening