Dragon Ball Super Goku - Exposing His True Power

[@ElMalito187]

Fun fact: Toyotaro aka Toyble (manga writer/ghost artist) who is known for taking after Young Jiji's Dragon Ball AF series and making it his own thing. Toyotoro took the whole white hair/bright luminescence from David Montiel Franco's SSJ5 contest drawing for Hobbies Consolas. That SSJ5 is named Tablos, an unknown Saiyan who survived the destruction of Planet Vegeta and trained non-stop to attain a level beyond anything comprehensive. A power that would not only revival the Gods but surpassed in every way possible. SSJ5 is the OG Super Saiyan God/Ultra Instinct. Edit: Yes, the fandom had a god form for Goku before Akira Toriyama even thought about it.

[@melissacross5525]

As Abridged Vegeta said, "Power levels are BS"😂😂

[@JustinBobby-di9zt]

Everything is just "inconsistent" when it comes to the tournament of power. Because they're all broken. Fusion has been retconned so many times in different ways.

[@playerback7722]

True

[@SparklingJam]

Dbs is the main reason the but can he beat goku quote exists

[@CeeDoubleU]

Nah that came around years before Super. What are you like 14?

[@user-RF3]

@@CeeDoubleUdon’t act like dragon ball didn’t get revived by dbs. Many people didn’t care about dragon ball until dbs.

[@sky-oq5mr]

Whaaaaa....GT Goku erases Goku...literally, he's a real god at the end of Dbgt. Dbs Goku got his ass whooped by DBZ level characters like krillin and 17 lmfao.

[@SparklingJam]

@@sky-oq5mr true true true

[@Random_Edits87]

@@sky-oq5mr not even slightly true💀

[@christopher8295]

That's my main problem with blue (in the anime version especially), the form SHOULD by every means possible be op and only used in very serious situation against ridiculously strong enemies. Blue should had pop very rarely and when goku or vegeta do that, you know this is no longer a game they are serious, that's the presence, the charisma blue should had. Instead, blue is constantly getting L's, it seems everyone is at this lvl and it's spammed to the point u would think "does this form has a negative multiplier or something ?", i swear it was to the point everytime goku did go blue in the anime, i was expecting him to get his ass beat badly, i had no faith in him at all😅 Not even vegito is sparred from blue curse in the anime, he did poorly against zamasu when he should had completely neg him, it’s vegito fuckin' blue come on man.....(thankfully manga vegito blue is portrayed way more accurately) And to add even more salt to the wound, blue isn't even goku's best, ui is. Ridiculously op form on paper but very very poor in showing shit. Most disappointing sayien form in all of db history.

[@D-Pooly]

The unintentionally made ssj3 that form in a way, still drains "too much stamina" so he can't handle it as a mortal 😂 bs excuse to not have to draw it but still with that they keep adding a mystical feel for it while the god forms are a joke and have been long surpassed in manga, silly

[@christopher8295]

@@D-Pooly Fact, ss3 was the poorest written sayien form back in dbz yet peoples still like it today, why ?.... Simple, the form had atleast charisma and wasn't treated as a joke even though it never won a single fight, how many ss3 lvl character u could find back in Z, when u think about it (in canon) not many, not that many at all if u count the entire universe at the time. U don't have that kind of feeling with blue, we kinda did originally when ssgod first appeared in battle of god arc but after that nothing. They treat this shit like a regular super sayien (and tbh it's not far from the truth, blue is basically the ss1 of dbs) when it should had been dbs goku's ss4. Everyone can casually reach blue lvl and more nowadays, free power up for everyone 🤦‍♂️

[@speedbeyondlogic]

It was the shockwaves that threatened to destroy the macrocosm and they were said to get stronger the further out they went. When goku and beerus did a beam clash it created a similar shockwave as the punches. Energy beams and physical power scale but still thought it was cool to see.

[@SuperBlueGamer9000]

I recall SSG does not give you a multiplier but rather is a form that grants you a massive zenkai in real time and to always break your limits

[@McRomenG]

He’s literally referenced as the monkey King and I’m still hoping at some point Goku will have one of the transformations looking like the monkey king that is canon because I already know super Saiyan four is the closest

[@alonsojimenez5770]

In the "A Dragon Ball Tale" animation he actually has a transformation that resembles Sun Wukong.

[@D-Pooly]

You "canon" guys will NEVER learn 😂 to think Saiyan Scholar addressed this a million times Besides being unable to read we gotta add unable to see and hear for this fandom 💀

[@arronjerden915]

Do we even know what Kale's max power was? With her being a LSSJ using her max power for the fusion multiplier could be insanely broken, just imagine her and Broly with a fusion.

[@JustinBobby-di9zt]

It was already insanely broken, considering they could even stand up to Goku at all. He'd become a super saiyan God and has been fighting his whole life. Caulifla and Kale are practically children compared to him. The whole bezerker/LSSJ and fusion was the source of their already broken power.

[@lordarhima3615]

​@@JustinBobby-di9ztI mean Broly and Kale are exceptional. Caulifla is one of the stronger saiyans of u6. And we dont know anything about them. If the roles were switched we couldn't comprehend goku's power either

[@fRaNKiEb0NEz.]

This video is perfect. I still believe that SSJ God (Red) should have been used much more.

[@bepbobbap]

In the manga they actually use it more!

[@Vespyr_]

This might be a hot take but the Red Hair God form, is just so much more visually appealing than Blue. It feels like the true finale progression from SSJ.

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Fair, I like MUI more than UI Sign/Omen but I digress.

[@sugondeez1708]

"Hot take" Funny

[@kuru-yami9416]

But super saiyan god is not a super saiyan form. (Yeah the name sucks cause of this) it’s technically just saiyan god or else Super Saiyan blue just doesn’t make any sense. Regardless, i do like the form and i wish goku would go back and full master the max potential of “super” saiyan god

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

@@kuru-yami9416 Yes, but I think he already did? 🤔🤔🤔 I mean in the manga anyways at least. Mastered SSJB, maybe not mastered SSJG but you know he can mix UI with it now 😅👌

[@sugondeez1708]

Where did we get the name super saiyan from? Yeah, the legend. The same legends which also speak of the super saiyan god. These are just names and titles to show prestige and legendary power within a fighting race. Goku literally named ssj2, 3, and blue. No one knows what an "actual" super saiyan form really is, it's just a name with an incredible legend behind it.

[@richardrobertson1886]

Goku knew about the “that’s my bulma” moment. He teased vegeta at the end of the episode

[@StevenJones851]

Yes he did

[@detonationpyrotechnics4156]

People always think of power in a linear manner but never realize that power is multi dimensional. It’s really hard to account for that. I still think they made kefla way too strong.

[@lordarhima3615]

Thinking of broly, i think that kale is the main reason for this fusion to be so strong

[@whyyoumad9421]

The gap between ssj3 and god is incomprehensibley huge😭

[@SonGoku544]

movie ssj3 Goku is stronger than ssjG from super

[@SageOfLimitlessHands]

You know what would be really kool? So instead if going monkey god, the UI Goku attains at the end of Super is called Saiyan Instinct which is Silver hair but green eyes with a light green aura in the shape that resembles SSJ4. In a sense it taps into the calming of the rage of their heritage.

[@ultraexcalibur1728]

I don't base Power Levels on Feats because they have never in the history of Dragon Ball been calculated that way. Unless you believe you don't even need 10,000 Farmer with a Shotguns to Destroy a Planet.

[@TheLowToneG]

I think you took this thread into a decent model. Grats.

[@jamarionjordan4683]

Keep up the good work ❤

[@prestonasher2291]

This video shows how terrible the writing, power scaling and universe of super is. Super has ruined the timeline. GT has it beat on all three phases.

[@omegahtv6779]

Absolutely great video!👍🏿

[@Scorpy666]

Powerlevels and powerscaling is bullsh*t. Manga writers only care about plot and how to achieve said plot. Kid goku in dragon ball was immune to bullets. Goku in dragonball Super got shot by a normal gun and bled. Don't overthink garbage like powerscaling, it does not matter in the slightest.

[@Pumpkinboar1660]

what made power scaling db so easy for me, was learning dimensions in power it helped a bit.

[@ikari6399]

27:39 that makes sense as to how Vegeta found out about Goku going super Saiyan 3

[@nicholashollingsworth7215]

Wow. This was very interesting

[@gindosadiogur6408]

If he wasnt so dumb maybe he could have a chance again dbz goku in terms of fan popularity

[@johnsmith8562]

At 4:37 it says there is a ruling kami for every galaxy. That's interesting, I've never heard that lore before I knew that there is supposed to be a kami on every planet and then I thought the kais watch their sections of the universe

[@Yousif_saeed]

schoolar is supposed to super Saiyan 4 has three developments to break power Super Saiyan 4 then Super Saiyan 4 full power then altra super Saiyan 4 in his fight against Shinron 🤔 (and his fight with instinct was by full force level second they did not use the third)

[@xdrastig_4207]

guys you're thinking about it too much, these are just plot holes the author ignored, you're putting in way more thought than both toyotaro and toriyama

[@PokemonProfessorNebula]

From what I thought, the initial Super Saiyan God not only was a new form, but a new buff to ki as well with Goku obtaining God Energy for the first time. So he got the SSG Transformationwhich I always assumed was x50 SSJ3, and then a buff from attaining God Ki which is a massive multiplier to ones own power compared to normal Genki.

[@BattleborneGaming-g1r]

You could look at it like this, gokus God form is basically his new base form using God ki so that 100,000 would be the base power then at a x50 multiplier for blue would make him 5 million I look at God as the new base form then blue is stacked on top of it and then kio-ken on top up to x20 would be 100 million... and then the vegito could actually use ss3 because vegito can use instant transmission and vegeta can't

[@kpimkpim349]

I'm a fan of Z, never watched super (few episodes) and all of this sounds incredibly stupid and out of control

[@StevenJones851]

DBS is the continuation after Thr buu Saga people hate it and only watched for Nostalgia

[@blaisedunbar5097]

The way I see both perfect blue and blue evolution is there the ssj blue version of grades that we see in the cell saga ssjblue evolution I would say is grade 4 and perfect ssj blue in manga is grade 2

[@henloisiyu]

I know ts is a year old, but I disagree. I think Blue Perf is more like Grade 4 because of how efficiently they can use it, and then Blue Evolution would be an entirely new multiplier.

[@blaisedunbar5097]

@ so sort of like ssj 2 or more like how the great ape transformation is a sep multi

[@WoodyRun]

I know this is a long shot of a question, but where are you finding these crisp, clear, full body images of characters?? For example, the galick gun at 30:00

[@metal87power]

Masakox made a comprehensive video explaining how Saiyan hair color is connected with chakra theory

[@TaeSunWoo]

Goku’s just that guy 4:20 -ish you might get to this later in the vid but I think SSJ 3 with stamina control would be low universal at least. They could feel Goku transforming to 3 in Other World and people on earth felt Goku turn 3 in hell vs Janemba I think

[@Koi_Swirl]

Goku at this point has so many transformations I can only see someone winning if they don't care about being hurt and they trained their entire life or they would need to be like Moro, sucking up life force from a distance

[@sasaki999pro]

I was so initially excited for moro, everything down to his design screamed unique antagonist that was gonna flip the script on its head. I don't know why I keep falling for it, I had the same feeling when "God Ki" was introduced. "OOOOH a new power system, and anyone can use it?? We can have namekians with god ki?? Humans with God ki?? And it can do more than just make laser blasts and big punches?? THE POSSIBILITIES ARE LIMITLESS!! THIS IS GONNA BE LIKE WHEN JOJO'S INTRODUCED STANDS ITS GONNA REVOLUTIONIZE DRAGON BALL" And then before that with Kid Goku in GT, "oooooh so goku can't access his full power anymore, hes gonna have to get creative and outsmart his foes, like classic dragon ball!" AND then before that with Majin Buu "Ooooh so they can't use their ki or else the bad guy is gonna awaken! And they're fighting people with magic gimmicks?? Ooooh I can't wait to see what inventive strategies they come up with to SOLVE THIS-"

[@mcurran6505]

When GT turned Goku into a kid. It was unforgivable. But Super did it worse by turning Goku into a man-child.

[@drybonesmunchakoopas5143]

kinda silly to assume ssjG is even a multiplier it could work in a entirely different way and for example the base boost he got from using it the first time is never really present in later uses cause its just a part of his base form now. That needs to be accounted for when talking about a hypothetical multiplier since its like me trying to multiply (5+25)10 instead of just 5x10{the numbers are random for the example obviously} this would make it so its not purely a multiplier Now obviously to some extent its implied to be a multiplier as the power increase it provides scales higher as gokus base scales higher but that could also just be some type of power boost that proportionally increases as gokus base gets higher. over all its too vague to tell if its even a multiplier but it really doest matter to begin with since its still insanely strong and gets better with his base getting stronger. I think its important to remember that SSJG is also not your traditional SSJ form and its kinda its own unrelated thing hence why it can be merged with SSJ in SSJB so its not like it even has to follow the traditional rules of a SSJ transformation

[@supersaiyan9949]

I would say that SSJG is 500x from base. The reason is Brody movie:in that movie SSJ Vegeta is on +- Base Brody level,and after that Brody becomes Ikari,which is 10x from base.And He dominates SSJG Vegeta.So at best 500x. Also about ritual,there was a first one where SSJ Goku is stronger than SSJ3 Goku before ritual,so that wrong ritual gave Goku power more than 8 times from his power before ritual.

[@hugotharador4898]

I agree with the scholar here, all you need manga wise is Beerus overwhelming black frieza, then arguement is done over. It's gotten a little ridiculous btw, this vid is the proof :)

[@kuru-yami9416]

I think the multiplier of super saiyan god dropped due to the absorbed god ki, since that was the strongest boost goku got in battle of gods, allowing even base form goku to somewhat keep up the pace with beerus. Now that he already has the god ki , the form is no longer necessary to unlock that realm of power, resulting in the multiplier being quite underwhelming, by extension resulting in shenanigans like jiren 1 finger blocking a punch from super saiyan god. Hope this makes sense, Peace. Ah, I see you agree with that after getting further in the video

[@lordarhima3615]

But in the end ssjg goku should be as strong as bog ssjg goku? Just that base goku has god ki now and therefore ssjg doesn't need to enhance the pl that much like in bog?

[@kuru-yami9416]

@@lordarhima3615 more like as weak as cause as strong as it was back then it’s nothing to jiren. So being not-much stronger than that relatively, is why it’s underwhelming. And SSB is only 50 x that.

[@starwarsnerdz4190]

Where is the footage of that goku vs goku with a tale vs whole i think is broly from ?

[@Seraphimakuma]

Nice job

[@JO-iv7tl]

Beerus species uses hypertrophy to get stronger. In this case energy or ki exertion then sleep to heal up. Gaining a sleep zenkai boost of sorts. (theory)

[@jamelleartis9172]

This Was All Mathematical For Goku Of His Saiyan Levels Saiyan Scholar Beerus Was A, Mystery In Battle Of Gods Dragon Ball Z Movie His First Introduction Was Seeking Super Saiyan God Legend And, Eating Earth's Chocolate Pudding He Was A, Lot Stronger Than, Goku I Don't Know IF Beerus Can Be Defeated By, Goku Again Right Now

[@metanox1716]

I don't know if you're a jrpg fan but I feel like with your intuition you could fund out who the most powerful final fantasy character is🙏🏾💯it would be super cool for ff fans ey

[@nomore6258]

I think A x B makes sense for a fusion multiplier if it’s viewed as a result of the rival boost.

[@nomore6258]

Also, I think the initial multiplier for SSG was 50 million. And by the end, it had risen to 500 million.

[@legendarywolverine5529]

Where'd you get the 500 times one base part? I thought it was the sum times 100. I'm confused now.

[@binarystar300]

0:27 Huh, 7 transformations? Like 1 for each Dragon Ball 😯

[@XNamelessXNill]

If you stack the SS multiplier to SSG using your equation it's 5million. Super Saiyan is a multiplier not an addition. Gotta follow your own rules. Also it's stated or implied that Goku has achieved SSGSSE. It's a conversation had after vegeito defused against Zamasu

[@daddykipperflipper4600]

To be honest I am not that big of a fan of super, but I want to see him get PAST superman level in this series since he is already broken.

[@N.River37]

I couldn't tell if you were only saying Goku didn't know about the "that's my Bulma" stuff as simply a hypothetical or if you actually don't know, but Goku at the end of BoG literally says that he say it. Btw this is at 12:00

[@micshaz]

i'mma just casually predict vegito mastered UE+UI ssgssj2 (with them extra sparkles, shiny vegeta?? limit break?? or whatever JRPG reference you fancy) PLUS x10 kaioken.... trained by mr satan and farmer with shotgun

[@dweenobloke489]

Tbf, I've always thought beerus has trained through super, mostly because he's still trying to master ultra instinct as whis says to goku during the God of destruction tournament. And that alone really shows me that he's working towards something. And I've always seen him as the kind of character to train in general, not as hard as goku and vegeta, but he probably trained more than frieza (before his black form). But I can get why people would think he doesn't train because he is lazy af. But I see it as he's lazy because he lacks the close rival he needs. And found more motivation after finding goku and vegetas potential.

[@2capi]

when you said about the super saiyan god multipliers i though what if post ritual super saiyan god is stronger than the one he and vegeta got from having god ki and as for why goku after assimilating super saiyan god ki didn't have the same power is that the god ki was not tottaly contained in him, with just a part of that power being in him though the power would exit all at once because that would mean goku would not be able to fight beerus unless beerus hold back a lot more, and i don't think that would happen and surprisingly i though of this just before you said that a theory similar or equal existed

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Change estate GT goku is far stronger

[@Fafafafafafaababababa]

Yea he literally transcended to something far more than a god that moment

[@mattg6728]

I always wondered. If the sayian in her womb also gave energy to push goku to god mode... is the baby going to take longer? Is it a zenkai boost? Is that baby supposed to have somethimg wrong with it? Just shower thoughts.

[@ChadAV69]

This is why DBS sucks. It literally makes no sense. Goku is UNFATHOMLY powerful, yet most of the main cast can at least slightly keep up with him? And it sucks that they don't really put an emphasis on their training. You get little bits of them fighting on Beerus' planet or whatever but there's no struggle. It's just "bad guy is here" Goku: "Don't worry! Me and Vegeta have been "training" on Beerus' planet!" they show up, get beat up a little, then Goku wins. It's so boring.

[@lordarhima3615]

It's not exactly like that. Goku didn't even win in the granolah arc. And the manga is much more consistent about power levels than the anime and it's flaws... And if you think about it...the only ones that can keep up with goku and vegeta are gohan (potential unleashed and beast are godly techniques and forms using gohan's broken inner power), frieza is a mutant, who exponentially grows by training, broly is a mutant, who has unlimited progression of power when fired up and the same goes for kale. Toppo has god ki, jiren has god ki. We don't know how Hit is able to compete, but it could be that he uses god ki. Granolah and Gas most likely had god ki and were destined to be the strongest obviously. Moro absorbs his opponents ki, so he had god ki. I mean the only ones that seem ridiculous are frieza and broly but they are exceptional due to being mutants and it wouldn't make sense either, if nothing can ever touch goku and vegeta because they aren't the only ones that train. I mean goku and vegeta are biologically strong, so a mutant is getting this power way faster. There aren't many people that keep up

[@JeanYossa]

Is Beast Gohan really stronger than Goku and Vegeta's current form no spoilers.

[@Sanojavi512]

Not really.

[@kaihamza4710]

It’s been confirmed by the author yes he is but the author also is known for forgetting a lot of things about his own series so we have to wait and see beyond the last movie

[@crabraveclan4645]

The god feat is complex multiversal due to hell being stated to be super dimensional (5d) wihcih is complex multiversal

[@SageOfLimitlessHands]

Been telling people forever SSJ4 was equal to UI for awhile and even in a loss like that means the fight could have gone any way in an ultimate state. I can totally respect that they had to make LB SSJ4 lose but I also agree that end of GT stomps Super

[@BESTMOAD]

Dragonball heroes is not canon to super the story rn its literally a fanservicer

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Yes, Super God Monkey. Not why I'd originally go with but Super is the best version of Goku power wise.

[@blue-12316]

cc goku xeno goku

[@ASH-ut1vp]

thats why its crazy when goku needs blue or blue kioken vs some random ass dudes with no god ki

[@henloisiyu]

ikr? If the Beerus scale during the BOG movie is actually true, then Whis is getting rocked by fucking Ribrianne

[@Narrativerse]

3:03 1 : No, because by Dragon Ball Super itself Goku's ability to detect Ki has a limit. And it extends to the size of the Milky Way to its uppermost (Manga only, but I don't think it will change that much in the anime), which mean that Beerus planet is in the Milky Way which is IRL Milky way-sized (200 billion stars). Since Whis' warp technique has a constant speed except during the filler episode where he said he never went that fast like DBS. 69. And Earth is at the edge of the Universe 7, you can deduct by Whis travel time to the neutral location between Universe 6 and 7 that Universe 7 is roughly ≈400, 000 light-years in diameter. Furthermore, “Heaven” is not the size of the Universe, all visual descriptions prove the opposite (Same for Papaya Island having the size of a small continent. Dragon Ball Earth is not Earth to begin with), in this kind of case the Death of the Author concept applies. (and using our Observable Universe when they were no Big Bang in U7 and you can clearly see that the Earth and Namek are way further apart than the width of Heaven is dumb to begin with) 2 : Also no, because the 12 universes share the same space and time, which mean that according to Versus-stuff definition it is a single universe, and not even a big one. The proof of that they can communicate begin with, within Universe 7 and with the other Universes without an infinite amount of positive or negative time passing. Narrative proves go back to the Cell Arc up to the Black Arc, where even the Kaiô Shin calls the "Multiverse" the Timeline or THE Universe. Hell, they even have a calendar for Zen'ôs birth called the King's Calendar, and all the Gods of destruction know what "40 Earth hours" is. So what's the most logic? That they can communicate between-times and space or that it's a single space-time? (especially when we know that the time rings grants acausality, the latter is the most plausible) And don't get me started about choosing a very specific portion of the Daizenshuu that is mistranslated, when Elder Guru not even 2 pages later told you that the Observable horizon of Namek is a hundreds thousand light years (Same for all the misused of "infinitely expansive" to say that the Universe is infinite when it just mean it is expanding. And since the Dragon Ball Universes are young and didn't have any Big Bang anyways they wouldn't be as big) To put a nail on this point, even in Dragon Ball Heroes. Fu's draw Genki from countless planets across the Multiverse to power up the Universe Tree. And after it was done it gives birth to a "New space-time" 3 : I pre-shot it, but Goku didn't shake infinity in the Null Realm. Yes even official sources are mistranslated :D Dragon Ball Super EP78 (2:56 - 3:14) （大神官）開催する場所は 無の界。 Great Priest: The place where it held, is the Realm of Void. （悟空) 無の界？ Goku: Realm of Void? （ビルス）時間も空間もない 永遠と虚無だけに満ちた世界だ。 Beerus: A world without time and space, filled with only eternity and emptiness. （大神官）無の界は　文字どおり 何もありませんので 思う存分　戦っていただいて 構いません。 Great Priest: The Realm of Void is just as its name. Since there is nothing in there, you can fight to your heart's content without worrying anything. Thus, in canon it is the only place outside of space-time (doesn't mean peoples moving inside have infinite speed), AND NO, the Hyperbolic Time Chamber is still linked to the whole Multiverse time. It just have time dilation. Even if one second would be 1 quintillion billion trillion sextillion seconds, it would not be infinity. And even if time may pass slower in the Other World for some reason, it would still not be infinity and be a single space-time. I really need to push on that, But anyways we know it's not the case since they can't talks with peoples in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber but they can in the Other World, so no time dilation. Tl;dr for the tiktok kids: Goku not multiverse level, would need to destroy time and space and thus making him above the concept of 3D energy (joules, TNT, i.e.) = infinite 3D power Which clearly he don't have when Vegeta Blue got one shot by Earth's explosion

[@playerback7722]

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[@Narrativerse]

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[@playerback7722]

​@@Narrativersepretty good

[@edehyoungthug5887]

Respect goku the goat of anime

[@NathanielPiscian]

Don’t know why super saiyan god 2 had to be blue then orange but oh well

[@mattg6728]

Kefla is super powered and arguably stronger than vegito because its a fusion of a legendary saiyan and one of pure intent. Goku and vegeta is a fusion of a pure heart and pure intent. The multiplier may take a moment, but as we know... legendaries are always stronger as the battle rages instead of waiting for zenkai boost.

[@Vaelithe]

Looks like God is a new base it's not a step from Ssj 3. You can use Ssj 3 in ssjg they aren't mutually exclusive. @11:53

[@Vaelithe]

@18:45 Super Saiyan God Vegeta in Super Vegeta

[@Vaelithe]

@20:39 the problem is it's not something you can particularly math because power levels become irrelevant and we have to work with what they give us

[@Vaelithe]

@20:44 Cheers 😂

[@sorcerousbeast8740]

1:16:30 that’s not what happened. Cumber was weakened by Fu. It was not inconsistency that had SSG Kakarot fighting Normal Cumber that well right after Vegito Blue tried to. Fu weakened Cumber with that energy slash. Most of Cumbers energy in that fight was given to him by Fu in the first place. Fu “reigned him in” the purple energy slash wasn’t for no reason. It isn't a physical slash. Fu drained energy out of Cumber with that sword. What you have there is a weaker SS3 Cumber than the Cumber that fought Vegito Blue Kaioken. Weaker or relatively similar to the prior Cumber. This fixes all the other problems like Jiren fighting Cumber and doing better than Vegito Blue Kaioken did. Yeah that’s because this Cumber is weaker than the Cumber that fought Vegito Blue. Simple as that. The same with Golden Meta Cooler VS Cumber. This SS3 Cumber is still weaker, or relatively close to the Cumber VS Vegito Blue Kaioken of the Prison Planet Arc. Later, Hearts returns the energy that Fu stole to Cumber. Then he is back to his full power and stronger than before, and fighting Vegeta Blue. And it takes a similar to MUI power increase for Vegeta to easily beat SS3 Cumber here. But this Cumbers normal form is superior to the SS3 Cumber that Xeno Vegito SS4 fought against. And so MUI Kakarot VS Normal Cumber way back then, was also fighting a weaker Normal Cumber, than Vegito Blue fought against. And that’s why Jiren was doing so well, against Normal Cumber in comparison to MUI Kakarot and Vegito Blue. Because only Vegito Blue fought the strong version of Normal Cumber. Make sense? How do people not understand what Fu did when he slashed Cumber with that purple energy Sword? Fu explains his powers in SDBH more than once and in Xenoverse the Xenoverse 2 version of Fu explains what he can do too. And he’s a different Fu with even more broken powers. The purple energy flashing all over Cumbers body, Fu SAID he will reign him in because he’s destroying the barrier. It’s not a physical slash. Fu literally gives people energy in the entire series and explains that he can. The pod he had Cumber in. Like, you realize Fu can use Cumbers Evil Aura from his sword and make Vegeta and Kakarot go nuts right? You see this later on before they fuse again. The explanation is all right there. It wasn’t an inconsistency. Your misunderstanding of the material causes the inconsistency in your head. That is not GT Kakarot. Xeno Kakarot, fights GT Kakarot, in the DBH manga from Yoshitaka Nagayama before the SDBH anime. They go to the GT timeline, they fuse into Xeno Gogeta SS4, to fight GT Gogeta SS4 because he is possessed by a demon named Fin. "Robelu tells Xeno Goku and Xeno Vegeta to fuse and much to Xeno Goku's surprise, Xeno Vegeta agrees, having felt Dabura's new found might. Becoming Xeno Gogeta, he immediately transforms into a Super Saiyan 4. Witnessing the resulting fusion, Dabura wonders if it would be in their best interest to retreat seeing that the Time Patrol have allied themselves with Demigra and his minions. Towa agrees but just then a being emerges from the rubble, it is Fin, having now absorbed and gained the power of the present timeline Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta." GT SS4 Gogeta is possessed by a demon called Fin and instant kills Omega Shenron in a flash before battling Xeno Gogeta. dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_King_Mechikabura_Saga?file=Sdbh18amm12pg7%7E2.png Xeno Kakarot is not GT Kakarot. Xeno Kakarot has nothing to do with the GT Kakarot. This continues from Yoshitaka Nagayamas DBH manga. I suggest reading it to see why he’s not GT Kakarot. They make him with a wish from Xeno Trunks memories. The time patroller Trunks of this story. Not Xenoverse Trunks or any other DBH Trunks. This is a new one. It’s very close to the beginning of Trunks Time Patrol career. And it’s right after the first main battle of the DBH manga from Dark Demon Realm Saga. This manga has no DBS characters and Trunks has never visited a DBS timeline in the DBH manga. In fact, in the DBH manga, they never include DBS. At all. So Chronoa, uses a wish, for Trunks to bring the strongest fighter of his memories here. And he spawns a SS4 Kakarot. But it’s not the GT Kakarot. It’s not literally him, since they go to GT timeline and fuse to fight GT Gogeta much later on. And then shortly after, they have Xeno Vegeta show up too. And I forget how they do that. They never visit a DBS timeline in that DBH manga, so of course they’re using SS4 because Trunks has never heard of a SSG. Or a Lord Beerus or any of that here. So he didn’t make it confusing or a choice out of SS4 or SSG for Kakarot. Kept it simple. They do end up using one DBS form in that manga. But that…is a secret.

[@_DatDaft_]

Im not gonna lie, DBS is kinda hard to look at Power Scaling wise, since its inconsistent a lot of times. But i feel like its understandable and reasonable to put SSG at a 10,000x boost as you said when talking about the ToP, because SSG being leauges above 10,000x in the ToP seems way too ridiculous, but at the same time, it kinda wouldnt work in BoGs, unless Goku was underestimating how powerful Vegito was?, since an enraged SSJ2 Vegeta did do better then a SSJ3 Goku? And i mean, if we where to stick with SSG being a 10,000x boost, then it also would mean that SSJB is a 500,000x boost, i think?, since SSJB is SSG and SSJ combined.

[@theeman1174]

Man I just want Super Saiyan 4 to be included

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Oh yeah I forgot but SSJG in the BOG is what made me truly like the form but after knowing and fnding out that it was noy canon made me loke it less because now it's just lame and simple. I'm just saying that the form is still cool looking but it had SO MUCH POTENTIAL to be GREATER than what it already is just like SSGSS in a sense but I digress.

[@TK_TK811]

That music sounded awful nostalgic, could it be the legacy of goku soundtrack from the damn gameboy advanced?

[@sorcerousbeast8740]

It’s only the DBS timelines version of the End of Z. It’s getting to the End of Z Age, Period, Time Period, but it’s always only going to be DBS version of the End of Z Age/Time Period. Both Xenoverse and SDBH show us, in both of their separate canons, Xenoverse and SDBH are separate canons let’s get that out of the way first, they both show us, that DBZ Future Trunks is a different guy to DBS Future Trunks. They have their own timeline attachment to their own ‘past timeline’ and the DBZ Future Trunks, only him, he has a GT timeline attached to his DBZ past timeline. Xenoverse is the sequel to DBO. Toriyamas sequel. It has a manga too. Xenoverse 2 has a manga too. Both Toriyama and Toyotaro worked on Xenoverse 2 manga. DBO continued Toriyamas DragonBall manga comic book story. His words. Xenoverse 2 shows us, that Time Patroller Trunks, who is the DBZ Future Trunks, the very same anime one from DBZ anime continuity, he is sending energy to the DBS Future Trunks timeline for his Spirit Bomb Sword. In SDBH, well it’s obvious. Think of SDBH and Xenoverse the same way as DBZ anime compared to Movie 7. Same deal. Different continuities. The DBS Future Trunks of this different continuity or canon, fights Hearts. Time Patroller DBZ Trunks of that different canon and different DBZ canon, doesn’t. He fights Dark Janemba who is revived from the DBH Manga of Yoshitaka Nagayama. He was not randomly out there from out of nowhere. He had an origin. They’re different Trunks. In any vast continuity. DBS is not DBZ and does not tie into the original DBZ or End of Z. It is a DBS version of End of Z. They’re re-enacting End of Z, with different versions of the characters. It does not link to End of Z from Toriyamas DBZ manga and anime, and it does not replace Toriyamas End of Z of his DBZ manga or anime. The end.

[@myriad8275]

My headcannon is that the first ritual simply put goku on the level of a god, the base level of a saiyan god. The god power up is simply a power multiplier, and is somewhat fusion-level. The massive power up that goku got with the ritual simply put him on the base level of a god

[@MugiwaraNoDeji]

Goku is actually not as strong as ppl think. In the manga he was scared of solar system level characters, like moro which makes no sense. Most of the ppl he fights are planet buster to solar system level. The last true universal level character was when Zamasu merged with the universe, idk if Jiren truly was universal because Goku struggled against characters after while in the same UI form he was in when he was handling Jiren. This show is too inconsistent tbh and we need to stop putting Goku on top like he can beat anyone. Dude gets fucked by magic, bullets, and fodder characters

[@slimmy478-6]

😂🤡

[@SageOfLimitlessHands]

How could Beerus being beat by Black Frieza look any better than Goku beating him?

[@sergiobricenos]

:| I don't really think anyone seriously taking Dragon Ball can agree with those Fusion and SSJ God multipliers.

[@StevenJones851]

Yeah those multipliers are headcanon

[@RecardoRemekie-wk4qq]

This is why I believe Vegeta is better than Goku because Vegeta isn't broken meanwhile Goku that keeps on getting unlimited power toriyama love Goku that he would go down on all fours and give him a blowgod 😂😂😂😂😂 and that's it for today love your video bro

[@madhursaxena2645]

Even though they both are supposed to be relatively equal to each other. They both are too broken even if vegeta get the L's.

[@micdoogle]

Has anyone thought maybe the people writing the episode and stuff aren’t thinking about consistency or what’s relevant with power scaling and etc I think they are just pulling shit out they ass at this point we’re trying to understand the parts of dragon ball they haven’t even thought about they don’t care about the fans no more they are just pumping it dry

[@aster4jaden]

Oh he's definitely "Super" alright.

[@Badman0417]

Im pretty sure Vegita has the winning record over Goku in 1v1

[@r.e.z9428]

Hes more “Special” than Super.

[@austinwins3801]

Battle Of Gods is canon to GT.

[@ClaytonPBrown]

But can he beat Sonic?

[@Jjk58174]

The power scaling in the anime makes no goddamned sense. If it did, no one aside from the gods should touch Goku or Vegeta. Yet, everyone reaches similar levels without god ki? It is so fucking stupid. The stakes are meaningless in Super. The scaling in GT is much better in conveying the differences in power between Goku and his foes. I miss when the hierarchy of power in the shows made sense. Could you imagine how broken the characters would be in GT if the power from Super was built upon?

[@hallo23779]

scaling in db in general makes little to no sense since the start but super took it in a whole different lvl

[@chee-o-tee]

The Writes were scared of making goku broken? They didn't seem to have a problem with that in gt LOL😂😂😂

[@Yousif_saeed]

There is no translation available for this video 🤡

[@beansstwo]

ok

[@nerdweebotrash3298]

Changed stated Goku at the end of GT claps the entire super verse 😂 change my mind

[@danwillburn]

Trying to explain this is kinda missing the point. Just going to give yourself a headache.

[@freezasama5802]

Super is incredibly stupid as instead of writing clever and consistent plots it instead opted for higher power scaling leading to bs power levels and destroying the universe itself due to how high the levels have become it’s absolutely ridiculous like ssj1 Cabba is stronger than kid Buu and Cell it’s too stupid

[@issacbatiste7624]

I think broly will defeat beerus

[@davonbenson4361]

Goku was broken because DBS.

[@great159]

Dragonball Shitty, I mean Super👎🏽

[@Random_Edits87]

This is about power scaling, not writing

[@cheesecake6945]

Just let Goku die.

[@JarlQboyq]

When it comes to power levels, the writers should have a maximum to what will destroy everything. Whenever it's comes to the multipliers, it's still funny to imagine every time Goku lifts a weight, and his base form goes up by 1. But in reality, it actually goes up by *UI, which is enough to destroy more galaxies. So, any time he trains the possibility of a black hole forming on transformation increases.

[@sky-oq5mr]

That's so weak considering super Buu was ripping reality with a yell against Vegito. Dbgt Goku before ss4 at base shattered a universe casually killing everything in it and going back to his home. Baby beat that version of Goku while he was ss3 in like 10 secs. GT characters are broken

[@JustinBobby-di9zt]

They're all broken. The scaling doesn't always make sense. it's whatever.

[@SageOfLimitlessHands]

I think you are putting way too much thought in the void. It is coear no one put that much thought into it.

[@weathermangohanssj4]

8:28 this "formula" is full of shit if fusion worked that way bas Gotenks would have kicked Fatbuu shit it.

[@fatalnick117]

This is coming from the same guy who thinks gt is a great story line. LOL. take a page from Totally not Mark

[@SaiyanScholar]

What page?