*VERY RARE* - West Midlands Fire Service - HP & Pump Turnout - Highgate Responding

VERY VERY RARE - Highgate Fire Station crews are called out to a high rise fire call, which Is then escalated to a confirmed job, (which is when the the alarm went off for the second time) in Birmingham last Monday (15.07.19) on blues and wailers. You can see the Hydraulic Platform, and 1st pump turning out.
The second pump was stood down before leaving as the crews were moved to the HP as it was upgraded to a confirmed job.
Huge Thanks to the Awesome crews for inviting me inside the station and showing e around!

[@EnidAgnusDei]

Great video sadly crap appliances sad day when you no longer see a Dennis and the brigade have to use a converted bin waggon.

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

Thanks! They're alright really, but really uncomfortable when driving on blues. The Dennis trucks were a lot more sturdy and well made

[@EnidAgnusDei]

@@dragonemergencyvideos Poor reliability and the electronics on them esp the computers are a joke, my brigade have had no end of probs with them, Volvo blame the bodybuilder, the bodybuilder blames Volvo! Piss poor converted bin waggons, not up to the job.

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

@@EnidAgnusDei Our ones been at the volvo workshops for over a month, we've been running an 04 Scania, which Is much more reliable. 15 years old and it just keeps on going. I much prefer the old proper manual pump than the electric ones. The Volvos pump has been broken more times than I can remember.

[@EnidAgnusDei]

@@westmidlandsfire Exactly, they are passing the buck as they always do!

[@CDB8939]

Scania only supply the chassis/CAB the body builders do everything else. These Volvo Pumps look as if they were built by JDC (John Dennis Coachworks) and the ALP by Angloco. JDC are no longer in business

[@cheyennethompson1013]

I love all public services and all females public services also marvel and dc also all in honor of being a volunteer and fallen volunteer and fallen hero all for them and all cartoons all heroes and all females heroes aswell because it is still an honor to serve with the west midlands fire rescue firefighter and fallen firefighter in the fire rescue firefighter service aswell please thank you don,t forget to tell sarah and rea wright that aswell please thank you from cheyenne thompson 22yrs old uk.

[@spikydaniel88]

Love the moan at 1:15 😂😂

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

I was NOT expecting that HP doors to open 😂😂

[@donnaphilbin6563]

SO 🐃

[@scottdd2]

Dragon, was that a little groan of joy as you saw the HP door go up? LOL Is there a difference between a community station and a regular one or is this just what they are called? Wondering if it's staffing thing, one full time, one retained or part time?

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

Yeah it was LOL! Wasn't expecting it at all! They're wholetime, but not fully crewed, as the 1st pump and HP are crewed by the same crew, so will never go out togethers

[@FirePhoenixEmergencyVideos]

Holy...! Awesome, bet you weren't expecting to catch the platform!

[@cheyennethompson1013]

this is awesome video i would be honoured to join as a fire rescue firefighter fire cadet volunteer at the fire rescue west midlands fire cadets as a hero and fallen hero aswell please thanks thank you from cheyenne thompson 22yrs old uk.

[@liamphilbin7256]

33333🍈

[@cheyennethompson1013]

it's an honor to serve and join the west midlands fire rescue cadets in the uk please thanks thank you from cheyenne thompson 22yrs old uk.

[@cheyennethompson1013]

it's an honor to serve from cheyenne thompson 22yrs old uk.

[@Drillhitta]

Awesome video pal

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

Cheers mate

[@cheyennethompson1013]

it's an honor to serve and still join in as a volunteer and fallen volunteer firefighteer to respond to the deadliest incidents and to lay down my life for all others and firefighters except for myself when i join because it matters at all costs and no matter the cost aswell and i will lay down my public services and females public sservices life that i have right now it is up to me to show you all that i can do it and show the raf reserves firefighters and also military reserves police that i can still join them and still lay down my life for them and all of you aswell finally to show sarah aswell as the other one aswell that i can still join and do it and to seek nothing but honor in return and still lay down my life and speak with my public services heart and fallen public services clean heart words of final be the last of me before i die and then rise into good and innocent saint and fallen saint heaven guardian and to be among them aswell and they know that i don,t deserve it but they know that i deserve it always and forever and ever in my brave heart and fallen brave heart and still never forgotten aswell because it's still an honor to serve and join in as a volunteer and fallen volunteer i know my fates and fallen fates to lay down my life seeking nothing in return but being honoring and remembered for what i have done and deserved in this life and i know better what i have to do when i volunteer and join and then lay down my life still seeking nothing in return but at most respect and fallen respect and honor because still it's an honor to serve to join west midlands fire rescue firefighter responder to deadly incidents and to be the first one to lay down my life and die a firefighter hero and fallen firefighter aswell but it is as said for those who wait by fireflight rock and icon for hire rock aswell and i know it is my responsibility to do this as a volunteer and fallen volunteer please thank you from cheyenne thompson 22yrs old uk.

[@cheyennethompson1013]

I'll always be your captain marvel and your fallen captain cheyenne marvel also i shall forever and ever be your captain america and also your fallen captain america and finally i'm honored to be your green lantern and your fallen green lantern superhero and fallen superhero all of it at the same time because i am still destined and couraged and also to be courage and determined and determination to be a volunteer and fallen volunteer to save your lives because i have a purpose to save lives from fires and letting me and let me handle and lose my whole entire life and to lose my life saving lives from fires and to let me fight all the fires untill i be the only one that needs to fall and to be a fallen firefighter of west midlands uk fire rescue service forever and ever and to be a heaven guardians firefighter forever and ever to the lord of light forever and ever i'll always be your second of my future choosing volunteer firefighter forever and ever when your ready for me forever and ever thank you.

[@northoltflightwatch]

Nice one! First pump grille lights appeared to malfunction?

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

Ooh yeah so they are! Never actually noticed. Now I look, the rear lights are also either broken or off! Strange 🤔 Thanks mate!

[@ce9934]

There is probably a malfunction in the system that disengages those lights when the handbrake is applied. Same with the wig wags.

[@elwolf8536]

Technical term is knakerd

[@itz_cam-ok1hq]

Well this is a first!

[@stephensawyer5431]

Take your time boys it's nothing urgent ffs

[@potaemergency4993]

Nice catch

[@Interstate107]

Awesome

[@oldsilvergit]

In the mid seventies, I was in Avon Fire Brigade. From alarm to exiting the doors was normally under 1 minute, with a run or fast walk to the appliance and getting dressed in fire kit on route. There appears a complete lack of urgency in a lot of these turn out videos these days. For Christ sake, somebody could be in really desperate need of help. Looks like they are having another cup of tea before they leave the station

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

To be fair to these guys, the call details and appliances attending was changed midway through the turnout, hence the bells going off again and them swapping to the HP. So obviously this caused a fair bit of confusion

[@swt2296]

No getting dressed en route. No running to the appliances. Fast walk.

[@BritishEmergencyVideos]

What a catch! I’m envying you right now

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

Cheers mate! A long wait but well worth it!

[@TomasVVF]

Great video !

[@albertogianese3229]

Epic

[@2toneemergencyphotography]

Wow mate! Incredible catch.

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

Cheers mate! A long wait, but well worth it!

[@2toneemergencyphotography]

@@dragonemergencyvideos I have spent 17 Hours at Highgate and they only went on area 11 times.

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

@@2toneemergencyphotography Just luck mate. Luckily the crew Are so friendly, and let me sit on station

[@lancsfirephotography3408]

its an ALP not HP

[@CobraEmergency]

Awesome!!! It's so hard to catch a WMFS aerial.

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

Was certainly a surprise when the door rolled up for it!!

[@donnaphilbin6563]

SO 👕

[@donnaphilbin6563]

SO 🦐

[@koolyman]

Cmon bro get the two tones blaring 🎺🎺

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

Haha yeah

[@steveclarke4766]

Pathetic turnout time. A lot quicker in my day 70s 80s and 90s.

[@williamweir9088]

Excellent video, well done

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

Thanks mate

[@Charlzey1998]

So its only Coventry thats got the new turnout tones?

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

@Ethan Carter any Idea if there's a demo of the new tones Ethan?

[@seanobrien3287]

They are being rolled out over the next 3 months mate

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

@@seanobrien3287 Any idea if highgate are gonna get a new HP like Sutton Coldfield?

[@092prat]

Nice

[@charliefreebury245]

Scania fire appliances are best, especially Humberside

[@Steve-zh6zn]

Why did they go different ways?

[@Mids999]

It leads to the same road either way.

[@grahammaguire404]

Get the impression it's that rare no one has a clue about getting mobile ...come on.....people wtf you doing!!!

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

Nah the confusion was caused by the call being upgraded from an AFA to a confirmed fire, so the tones went down twice, and the crew had to change to the HP.

[@michealgrant8403]

Nice video! I can not believe how small those trucks are! That tower looks like it would break after the first use. It is amazing how they do what they do with those things compared to the monsters we use here in the states.

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

Size is not everything, the UK has efficiently used smaller appliances for many decades due to the size of our streets. Our cities are older, and were built in times where cars and trucks had never been dreamed of. Our trucks carry all the necessary equipment, and are built in such a way that everything has a specific place, and it all fits. What is wrong with the Aerial Ladder Truck? It's an excellent piece of kit, and a really reliable machine Thanks for watching, and regards from the UK!

[@scottdd2]

The issue I believe is that the US are so stuck on tradition and ways of doing things that they hamstring themselves in design. One example is the hose bed on the back. It takes up a lot of space and doesn't really give any tactical advantage in fire fighting (you can see that here on KZbin). European and I'm classing the UK in that, (for now anyway:) ) appliances are much better designed and in the end probably more cost efficient than the North American ones.I'm sure if fire departments in North America were open to change then fire appliance manufacturers like Seagrave or Peirce would shorten the wheel base and do a compact body. If anyone is good on Photoshop, I think a hybrid US cab/Euro body could look good.As Dragon says, size isn't everything, it's the training and design that make all the difference.

[@CDB8939]

The Aerial Ladder Platform is a Bronto Skylift F32RLX. It will reach to a height of 32 meters (105 ft) It has an outreach of 23.2 meters (76 ft) It has a 500 kg cage capacity (1,100 pounds) It will pump water from the cage at 3,800 litres per minute (835 UK gallons per minute) It weighs about 18 tonnes. This is just a baby when it comes to Brontos. They build ALP's from 22 meters up to 112 meters (367 ft) and can pump water from 2,500 litres per min up to 12,000 litres per min (2,640 UK gallons per minute.

[@Jack-di4ox]

DragonEmergencyVideos exactly USA is full of skyscrapers

[@mrmonstermunch3925]

Your trucks are slow as hell, too flashy aswell.

[@josephmoran231]

Those WMFRS trucks look the business.

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

Yeah they do!

[@kevinwise1997]

Why'd they go to different ways?

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

Up to the driver to decide on the fastest route

[@jamesjones9452]

Amazing catches

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

Thanks

[@meatwheel1937]

Wow, 2 minutes to get out the door? Thankfully there wasn't a fire..oh wait, there was...weak.

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

Look at the replies below. There was a good reason why

[@meatwheel1937]

@@dragonemergencyvideos as a Captain we treated fire alarms as real fires until proven otherwise, hence our great out the door and arrival times. Sorry, when the tones go off get on the rig and get out the door, regardless of what dispatch says the problem is.

[@CDB8939]

The alarm didn't actually sound until 0:45 in the video, The ALP is cross jumped by the same crew from one of the Pumps so they have to move their PPE over. The other appliance received their call at a later time to the ALP. The crew also have to get dressed in PPE before leaving the station.

[@xman6309]

Was the ladder truck going to a different call?

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

Nope, just a different way

[@xman6309]

Ok great video

[@davidbroadbent854]

poor turn out time

[@grahammaguire404]

David thank you I rest my case !!!!!!

[@davidellis1202]

Slowest response on record? Retained crews turnout quicker than this lot!

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

There were good reasons fot this - firstly, the crew had only just come on duty when the call came in, so they weren't all prepared properly. Secondly, the call was very confusing, as details were sketchy, and then they were changed to the HP mid way through getting into the pump (notice the tannoy went off again here)

[@williamheber2118]

@@dragonemergencyvideos What is just came on duty? I see their gear is on the floor in place. It's a highrise response, so why isn't the ladder on the first response card? So the officer in charge doesn't have assignments prior to crew getting on? Nothing confusing. I call it poor planning.

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

@@williamheber2118 The first thing firefighters do is put the gear in place. They were checking the pump at the time. Like many UK FRS's, W.M.F.S doesn't send the HP to high rise alarms to keep it available for more urgent calls. They share a crew, so when the job was upped to a confirmed fire, they had to switch trucks (when the tannoy went off for the 2nd time). Any person with experience of the Fire service would see that as confusing. Say what you want but at the end of the day, they're out there saving lives, rather than moaning on KZbin.. And for the record, I work for the Fire service myself

[@binky8501]

Why is this very rare

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

The HP very rarely goes out, as it only goes to confirmed high rise fires

[@jld9107]

Why did they go different ways?

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

The best route to take is up to the driver. There's no set route they must take, as long as they get to the job quickly

[@KanoG]

Another reason they go separate ways is incase the appliances get stuck in traffic on way to a job, meaning if they go different ways the likely hood of them still getting an appliance on scene is higher than them all being stuck in traffic. Better to have 1 than none.

[@SleepExports]

So what if the second call had come in 5 mins or so later (after they all had left), are they gonna turn back to swap trucks or are there more firemen inside that can come along too, to man the bigger ladder?

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

Firstly, it wasn't a second call. It was an upgrade to the original call. If another call in this area came in soon after, another station would take it.

[@SleepExports]

@@dragonemergencyvideos but other stations in the area wouldn't have the bigger ladder would they? 🤔

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

There are a few in Birmingham

[@Big-O43]

So they do not run full crews at the station , to staff all the trucks ?

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

@@Big-O43 Correct

[@YelpBullhorn]

It's not an HP; It's an ALP. And the pump is a pump rescue ladder. Nice vid though.

[@adamjamesdj]

YelpBullhorn It’s a HP.

[@YelpBullhorn]

@@adamjamesdj... You are sooooooo wrong. It's 100% an ALP, mate. HPs are two- or three-boomed and the cage is positioned at the back of the chassis. It's the only place it can go (in the UK anyway). ALPs are a cross between an HP and a TL (turntable ladder). The main boom is telescopic while the end piece is articulated to provide manouvrebility much like a three-piece HP, but better. The cage on a UK ALP ALWAYS sits amidships. Trust me, I know about these things! 👍

[@adamjamesdj]

YelpBullhorn Hi, thanks for your reply, I’m impressed with your knowledge. If you’d like to pop into Highgate and see my HP, just give me a shout. My name’s Adam and I’m the gaffer on Green Watch 👍🏻

[@YelpBullhorn]

adamjamesdj .... thanks for the offer, and keep up the good work, mate. But whatever you happen to call it, it’s still an aerial ladder platform. Angloco have the UK rights for Bronto Skylift, one of the largest producers of Aerial Ladder Platforms in the world. All UK ALPs are manufactured at the Angloco factory near Leeds. And they don’t make HPs. In fact there are very few HPs left on-the-run in the UK since the demise of Simon Snorkel, the main producer. And the ones still operational are up to thirty-years-old having been re-chassied (sometimes twice) as the truck never lasts as long as the booms themselves. Greater Manchester FRS still run a couple of such vehicles, but I’m fairly certain WMFS only runs ALPs these days..... After all, I remember when West Mids operated ten aerials - with a Dennis/Magirus TL at A1) Central, an ERF/Simon SS263 HP at A6) Ward End, an ERF/SS263 HP at B1) Solihull, a Volvo/Bronto/Angloco ALP at B3) Coventry Central, a Dodge/ Gloster Saro Simon SS263 HP at C4) Bournebrook, an ERF/SS263 HP at C7) Ladywood, a Shelvoke & Drewry/Simon HP at D1) Oldbury, an ERF/Magirus TL at D2) Brierley Hill, a Dennis/Magirus TL at E1) Walsall, and a Shelvoke &Drewry/Simon SS263 HP at E5) Wolverhampton............ Bet you can’t! 👍

[@Scouser999Vids]

YelpBullhorn West Mids still call them HPs. It’s an ALP but that’s what they know it as. Same here with me in Merseyside, we have ALPs but they are called CPLs. Just a case of different terminology between different services and brigades.

[@williamheber2118]

Looked like they had to have a planning meeting instead of turning out quicker?

[@dragonemergencyvideos]

There was a good reason for the slow turnout - check the replies to David ellis below