Why You Really (REALLY) Shouldn't Die In Teyvat | Genshin Impact Theory

[@lnsflare1]

Now that you mention it, for someone who is obsessed with creating a Primordial human, Rhinedottir send to have spent quite a lot of time pulling souls out of the Abyss.

[@Abshid]

Imagine her losing her 50/50 to Qiqi.

[@lnsflare1]

@@Abshid Considering that a bunch of Adepti had to work together just to seal her away and that she apparently went from prepubescent martial artist to having an Adepti Name pretty much instantly, a I'm not sure that Rhinedottir didn't already have a hand in that.

[@kasumiayanami4501]

Ah yes my 2 favorite things, video games and existentialism 😭

[@SumiSakurasawa-uv1yt]

I just wanted to let you know that I discovered your channel a few weeks ago, and I want to express my gratitude for the videos you create. Your in-depth explorations of the lore have greatly aided my understanding of various aspects about the game especially how and where the developers of Genshin drew their inspirations to design the game. The sheer complexity of your analyses has given me a newfound appreciation for the story and Hoyoverse's writers!

[@3u760]

It's funny to think that Paimon also sounds like a hungry spirit (because she's hungry all the time)

[@3u760]

(Man, this accidentally gives me a new theory 🤦‍♀) Very banger video by the way, tsym 🙏

[@nabieladrian]

Very nice of you to tie this all the way back. We've been eating lore after lore and rarely has the chance to draw the story in the past. Another great cook, sir.

[@xpearlx]

When you explained the ley lines and showed Dainsleif at 33:50 I noticed that his arm has the same blue cracks as the leylines. I wonder if that means anything and whether or not that adds to his Bough Keeper title.

[@ziebus904]

So he is a living layline?

[@xpearlx]

​@@ziebus904 That would be interesting. I think My Name for Now (or someone else, I don't remember ;-;) said that Dainsleif may be the the mortal remains of the third descender. In a way sort of like what Focalors did where she separated her divinity from her body/spirit and named that other half Furina. Dainleif's divinity could be the gnosis and his remains are the person we see in game, cursed with immortality and with not much memory of his past.

[@iosis9324]

​​​@@xpearlxBy the way, this is a super stupid theory based on nothing. Firstly, Dainsleif is an ordinary captain of a Khaenri'ah combat unit in a nation without gods, so he cannot be associated with something divine. Secondly, ALL Khaenri'ahs received the curse of immortality, and not only him, we literally had several quests in which we were told that Hilichurls who are not pure-blooded Khaenri'ahs cannot die, as well as purebloods who, unlike non-purebloods, were able to preserve their appearance. And also it does not coincide with the timeline, Dainsleif is 500+ years old, he was born very recently before the cataclysm, when the third descender died several thousand years before the existence of Khaenri'ah. Also, there is no connection between Dainsleif and gnosis, and if you do this theory, then Piero is more suitable here, who founded an organization that collects Gnosis to overthrow Celestia, although Piero is also just an ordinary magician from Khaenri'ah who was also born quite recently before the Cataclysm.

[@xpearlx]

@@iosis9324 This theory is not "based on nothing" and before calling it "super stupid" I recommend you watch the video this theory is from so you can get some insight as to how this theory came to be - "Dainsleif's Element: The Final Missing Piece To The Puzzle" by My Name For Now. This youtuber puts in a lot of hours researching the game as well as many mythologies and cultures the game takes reference from.

[@kotarouinugami1745]

@@iosis9324 Kaenri'ah is actually very old. The Sal Vyndargyr (or whatever the old civilization of Dragonspine is written) civilization was destroyed shortly after the end of the war between Primordial One and Second Who Came. And there, the survivors write about wanting to join Kaenri'ah (which seems to be pretty new at the time). This makes Kaenri'ah over 3700 years old.

[@paulamblard3836]

i don't understand why Raiden say "Only through eternity are you closest to the heavenly principle". isn't the erosion (major obstacle to the eternity) from the heavenly principle ? why would she want to be close to the heavenly principle ?

[@hainguyenthanh8601]

Some people theorize Raiden " Closest to heavenly principles" mean becoming as strong as them. Becoming a descender. Erosion came from the third descender after he died I think.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

I would have thought it was fear. Her not wanting to upset the Principles, even then, it still doesn't fully add up.

[@Paimordial]

Ashikai made a video on the emerald tablet way back in like 1.5! So it’s cool to see the connection

[@Simson616]

When I got a first hunch that genshin might draw from theosophy I had my worries about where it would go. But then again, I thought, Jung and Wagner did also have problematic ideas. Yet not to that extend. But it didn't affect the game. So I'll keep my hopes up. And in that sense I'm also relieved to know that you'd share concerns about theosophy. On another note: What I also thought just now is: how after theosophy, new age also had its take on western mysticism. As a whole, when one first goes down that rabbit hole, one is first with all sorts of missreading, attempting at a spirituality that unifies western and eastern traditions. Take for example The Kybalion by "Three Initiates". You also find these missreading especially when western and easter alchemy are brought together - and phoenices, dragons and elixirs are read as if they were the same thing. This raises the question: when hoyoverse did their research, did they find the theosophy/new age stuff? Did they stop there? Or did they dig deeper?

[@kureo-liam]

Personally, as long as hoyo writers make a good story and game, I'd let them detach themselves from sticking to irl esotericism as it could be uhhhhhhh... iffy at times, than to reference irl events without proper care and turn out errrrr.... insensitive? terrible? something that makes discussing the lore difficult to people new to the theorizing community (more than it already is lol). On the bright side, if they do it well, it could be really cool to have an area where we can talk about these references whilst acknowledging the hmmm, fucked up side of it, and not have that impact the enjoyment of the game. (Y'know, 'cause the references are quite influencial, especially to the worldbuilding lol)

[@AndrewsMobs]

The Primordial One has yet to return, I am interested to know where it went.

[@nachinachi5085]

Imagine the horrifying twist is that gods of Celestia consumes the souls of every human who has died in Teyvat like how Slaanesh consumes the souls of every Eldar when they died.

[@Toksyuryel]

Is there anything more human than overstepping one's boundaries? It is fundamental to what we are. As soon as we know something is forbidden, we have an instinctual need to have it.

[@memru9092]

13:32 the primordial one even said it when we encountered them. “The arrogation of mankind ends now.”

[@Benlego2017]

I'm excited to see what you're up to with this wild thing!❤❤

[@ericsigil]

"Or old hag for short" 😂😂

[@geovanagama1]

Your theory makes a lot of sense 😮

[@xelloskaczor5051]

I will say this mr youtuber. Give last 2 arcs of Honkai Impact 3 a read even if in summary form it might be very interesting to look at. I know Genshin lore people arent greatest fans of cross game lore but holy fuck.

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

Yea straight up everything from chapter 31 onwards is talking about the exact same themes as Genshin, dream Stigma Space, Destiny, Hope, Finality, Samaras etc. and the final arc is literally Genshin speedrun.

[@ziebus904]

​@@GuyWithAnAmazingHatits like...these games are made BY THE SAME PEOPLE?😱

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

@@ziebus904 Nah you don't understand, 4 people descended on a planet, the 1st who came created the 2nd to sustain their principles, a 3rd arrived and her power was used by the 1st to separate her authority into 7 colours, after countless samsaras a 4th arrived and made friends with the 7 and turns out she was a comrade of the 3rd. It even had a Genshin style opening cinematic, a falling 8 sided star, a elemental creation myth etc.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

🤔

[@misidia]

Great video, thank you! Genshin lore is just so captivating, i love it.

[@1000kylestar]

I have a question with the existence of the moon sisters, the book before sun and moon's title being what it is, the false sky line and the watatsumi underground's false sun and moon What are the chances that the sun is either the primordial one, one of it's shades, or a being like the moon sisters?

[@DragonMJE]

Each Descender represents a new sun if we go by Aztec conventions when Natlan comes out. I believe I talked about it in the "Dragons of Natlan Theory".

[@3u760]

33:59 I think instead of being cast outside, they just decide it themselves (?) (like in the Ballad of the Fjords weapon desc)

[@3u760]

26:06 I forgot that we literally have Polar Star weapon (Childe's signature?), no wonder they bring him into Fontaine. And the fact that his name is Ajax, a hero from the age of Hyperborea (?)

[@Feradose]

I was one of the many scholars who participated in the creation of tabula smaragdina

[@xpearlx]

Great video as always, excited to see your numbers grow

[@Roihclem871]

Hungry spirits eating good, bro cooked thrice megistus. Chonyun was trying to tell us about your theory with his wang energy all along

[@rikosama7648]

Omg i love your theories. I want to ask smthg . Do u think that teyvat only went through 4 cycles only ? Or could there be unrelaible narrator that we should consider

[@DragonMJE]

I suppose 5 if you count the prehistoric times before Nibelung. But as far as Genshin's inspirations go, 4 seems to be the magical number. There is even a voice line from the World Quest on Tsurumi Island with Ruu and Paimon talking about the Rule of Four.

[@rikosama7648]

@@DragonMJE after i watched ur video i thought if irminsul would have lines just like tree have line after a year, if i am not wrong the lines dissappear and reappears with addittional line. Then i thought do we have irminsul logs then i thought what about normal genshin trees. THEY ALL HAVE 4 LINES !! Edit: sorry , most of them i found two 3 lined and 1 5 lined i am sorry i couldnt find from what tree they r

[@Negolossauro]

30:03 irminsul don't absorb the souls, but their memories, the data, and those who were cursed don't have their memories absorbed because they will corrupt the irminsul, that's why they are cursed with imortality, to keep them out of the cycle

[@محمودمنفرد-م1ن]

Trismegistus indeed

[@_jules_perez_]

Am I ever gonna read trismegistus normally again? No But that’s okay cuz this theory is awesome

[@amouramarie]

Before watching: I think the shiny blue energy that you see powering machines - in the desert and other places, but the desert is most obvious - are souls. We are told the jinni dwelt in the objects and powered them, but I don't think it's _unique_ to the jinni. I think it's just... souls. Of any kind. And all of that shiny blue power in the game, from the leyline tree roots to teleport waypoints and Statues of the Seven, are all stuffed with the souls of the dead being used like batteries. (:

[@phoenix221186]

Could this mean that the reason that the kaenrians are immortal was cause they already were outside of the cycle and given a body by gold? Cause they were already pull out of the darkness ?

[@perse8718]

baizhu story mimicks ashelsha constellation, read about hinduism astrology that youll see a lot of referecences espceailly alhaithams character

[@3u760]

Maybe you already have some ideas for your upcoming videos, But I wonder if thermodynamics is involved in all of this? (like, I feel like it has to)

[@The1andonlysharpshooter]

I just got an ad about reincarnation lol. Talk about on topic.

[@CarlosAnglada]

Truly excellent

[@blitzer12x]

0:00 Suic***l person be like: are you sure about that?

[@dragoon109]

Aren't souls connected to elemental energy

[@ayanbarnwal2905]

The humans are not alien - only the Primordial one and her shades. Humans were created with Teyvat's primordial seawater, much like Egeria. This is why Neuvillette is able to use the primordial seawater in the Fontanians' bodies to turn them into fully-fledged humans.

[@NatureWatcher343]

Considering how many times you made fun of the name you really don't like "Trismegistus" lol

[@thelostyaksha]

40 mins!!!!

[@TNTboyz1997]

🤍💚🤍💚🤍

[@Yama_1291]

If you spoil another recent anime in this I will stomp on your tinfoil hat.

[@carmengisele5135]

for some reason i can't watch your videos. the way u introduce things in the messiest most annoying way, u better find a way to make ur videos more digestable and light and easy without screaming in the video. good job for the effort tho ry .

[@gamestreak4976]

It’s funny how I got a Genshin ad where the traveler keeps dying on this video 💀

[@pipedream2556]

Huh...i wonder what Childe being in the Abyss temporarily as a kid means for...all of this. Like, he wasnt a dead person who got there normally and managed to escape, but since we learned that his connection to the Whale began AS he landed in the Abyss, waking it, its bothered me that its seeningly still a mystery how he got there in the first place If this is how it all works, how did a living human who hadnt even gotten the chance to do something to be deemed "worthy or unworthy" end up in the world's trashbin for souls on accident?? If Skirk thinks this way and has such a goal as to save the souls condemned to this place, what went through her head when she came across a living human down there? It just...feels like theres something to this, even if its a part of some sort of metaphor maybe

[@xpearlx]

Good questions. His character story says "That 14-year-old boy got lost in the snowy forest. Pursued by bears and wolf packs, he lost his footing and fell into a bottomless crack in the earth's surface. There, he witnessed the endless possibilities of another ancient world." Strange that there would be a bottomless crack. This happened when he was 14 and he's 21 now, so the crack formed very recently. I wonder if it's still there or if they open and close in certain areas after certain events.

[@ArchibaldVonSkip]

@@xpearlx Zapolyarny is a real place in Russia (Sneznhaya). The deepest hole ever dug on Earth...

[@xpearlx]

@@ArchibaldVonSkip Thats so cool, that means we could potentially go to the abyss whenever we get to Sneznhaya :D Also, the Khaenri'ah achievement says "Reach the end of the surface realms," and knowing that this hole is deeper and reaches some place further makes me so excited for the lore.

[@xpearlx]

​@@ArchibaldVonSkip I just learned Zapolyarny is also the name of the palace the Tsarista resides in 😮 I wonder if it was built on top of the hole, nearby or separate

[@AndrewsMobs]

Scara also was sent there, so the Fatui have a means of reaching there

[@readerofalltrades]

Iirc Zhongli isn't the only one. Venti guides souls too like we saw in his SQ. But that brings up two questions. Who did the guiding when he was asleep? And did all the original Archons do something like this? I don't honestly expect Ei to know anything about this except the bare minimum. Makoto probably did the heavy lifting on these matters while Ei defended Inazuma. Nahida probably has some method due to Irminsul and most of the Fontanians just became human.

[@AzukaTheGoat]

Ei might not have done it in the past but now she concerns herself with all matters having to do with Eternity and the way of Inazuma as it was back then, so this would have been one of those things. She’s much more in the know then people realise. I keep getting surprised at how people miss all these things in her lore.

[@citoyenneteavanttout7273]

True, but let me just say that regardless, Zhongli's relationship with the whole quelling the souls of the dead, the Taishan mansion, and the trial of earth, his parallels with Yanwan ye, is still too much to be considered in the topic and relevant to the question of what happened in Venti's SQ.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

Gods are supposed to be like guides of the 7 in a similar way to the Envoys of the old world, the Seelie's, the Moons and the Shades. Even Nahida's introduction had her/incarnations being a guide.

[@bangtanssera]

WAIT zhongli said newer generation of archons do not look after humanity in the same way as the original archons did... MAYBE THAT IS IT

[@isaiahhaley4816]

I like to think the abyss is just a form of power that humans can’t understand and the reason why they get corrupted by it is because of the overwhelming amount of knowledge that they get a good example could be ruhkkadahvata who is corrupted by forbidden knowledge and couldn’t understand it, despite being a God but she was still able to endure that pain but I think that has something to do with her being a divine meeting perhaps celestial powered that to heaven use is that of power of the stars? In space while the abyss is holding or preserving that power so the abyss isn’t necessary evil like you said, but it could cause great disaster if not handled properly

[@Deepstab1]

IMO if the imaginary represents everything that is and can possibly be then the abyss it’s everything that is not and cannot never be, it’s a ream of paradoxes but what’s interesting it’s that it’s own life forms and consciousness that wishes to be, to exist because the abyss cannot be, but when they enter in the imaginary their existances are painful and lack any inner logic, they turn to living paradoxes and threaten to collapse over time and pull others into the abyss with them

[@Executive14]

Wait i just thought something, are Fontainians the only native humans? They are technically made from materials from tevat

[@DragonMJE]

Yeah exactly. But the Fontainians are probably not the only ones.

[@davidjohnson8273]

It's ironic that you say humans wanted to be free after referencing the new Wings which say the opposite, that humanity always wants a god to lead them. I don't really get any sense that the people of the Ancient Civilization did anything wrong or were punished for anything. BS&M even says the way to temptation was sealed. They get messed up by the war, not by some sort of judgment. There's no reference to any sort of sin by them. Even when Unknown God talks about arrogation (which is ironic given her own thinking) of mankind she seems to mean Khaenri'ah. Also in general and apart from Unknown God who has her own issues, the gods are all happy with humanity and devoted to helping and leading them, which doesn't really fit with all this screw humanity, humans are bad, humans sinned, humans are ethereal souls without a body stuff. We meet a couple of human ghosts and they aren't evil spirits that need to do XYZ but are super chill, and as Hu Tao says, for the most part ghost are like that and bad ones are rare.

[@kotarouinugami1745]

Most likely, the Ancient Civilization was destroyed to cover the tracks of hostile takeover by the Second Who Came. At least, that's what "Before Sun and Moon" seems to mean.

[@The1andonlysharpshooter]

Suddenly it makes sense we haven’t got anything Albedo based the last two years. Though I still feel like we’ll get one in fontaine with him and elynas. Heres to hoping lol.

[@robertpierce8081]

Sorry but…

[@PlayerN1999]

hey nice video, i can only imagine how much effort goes into these edits I was eagerly awaiting this video but also a bit anxious too because i was looking into the topic of death in Genshin myself and for the first time am attempting my own little analysis. Fortunately this video more or less took a different direction than i anticipated through my own research. Again really appreciate the great work. Genshin Lore Community continues to eat very good this year.

[@kayleighdriessen]

Oooh I'm excited to see where this is going Edit: Now to keep a list of all my favorite characters especially those with the most death-flags who I hope they won't die in the main-story- (because come on, there will inevitably be even some playable characters who will die and like stay dead)

[@Indian_gae_boii]

the way you say trismegistus is killing me 💀

[@thuaners]

i love your videos! always so interesting

[@hamzahyusra3122]

I'm curious if you can talk about the cosmology of hoyoverse. That includes the how world hi3, hsr and genshin connects to each other(possibly zzz?) I saw one video theory that they are from different worlds not universe, meaning not multiverse but different galaxy of the like (if you have played three of the games).

[@Nyx309]

Imagine telling baizhu about the existence of yaoshi, 100% he’s becoming a disciple of Sanctus medicus instantly

[@xenomaniagaming6461]

Why would Gold want to save all these souls? That's a lot of work. She can just bring a few of them back in the form of her creations.

[@brianarodriguez2090]

I love your tone it makes the video so dynamic ✨✨

[@knightofwisdom8851]

Excuse me,but are saying Rhinedottr may intended to "cleanse" the abyss? That is just mindblowing.

[@herrschersfool]

LETS GOOO NEW VID

[@neoe5970]

this is ashikai level of quality video, I hope it will get a lot of likes as much as it deserves

[@ziebus904]

Ad more crazy and here we are

[@amjadm7730]

Your ideas and the video itself is top notch. But calm down my guy. Slow down a bit when you talk. Kinda hard to keep up with you. But great video non the less

[@marcusbullock2753]

Is full metal alchemist a good representation of alchemy cuz that’s all I watched 😂

[@ReverseElectro]

It is reasonably good

[@DragonMJE]

Yeah, it is decent. Obviously not an in-depth look but it gives you a general idea.

[@kotarouinugami1745]

About as good as Death Note being a representation of crime.

[@mehcro3622]

I have to watch this video in 0.75x I dont know if its intentional (doubles view time) or u just talk fast Cool theory 👍

[@FatherHat]

Well now look who's back I've been waiting young man.

[@vanitasastra]

Damn I was really looking forward to it

[@NanaNanaque]

I LOVE IT

[@SisyphusPrime1]

Lore

[@PersonWhoseNicknamedL]

Wow

[@nara-yana]

Amazing Video!