Dragons Only Natural Predator, 90 Night Goblins | Interview with GT winner David Brewis!

[@morerobotwarscontent1476]

Checking in on the discord as this guy started to win more and more made my last weekend. Well done that man!

[@davetime2545]

Ong wins are wins for everyone. Feel that this can make the meta more honest.

[@fragfmgill]

Hold my mushrooms new meta dropped

[@nklinef]

I'm curious if he's considered using snotlings? A 6-10 strong unit gives you an unbreakable bottomless woundpool that your night goblins can fire their bows over. With the ability to block off entire sections of your opponent's army while you shoot at them with impunity. Also a lvl4 on a Wyvern instead of the orc boss. You can kit it out for combat enough to take out chaff and war machines. With the extra mobility allowing it to position for the best angles on spells like vindictive glare, or charge in and Fist of Gork a unit in combat. The other variant of this without combat is the lvl4 Nightgoblin Shaman on Flying Carpet. Also chariots as flank protection along with the squig hoppers could be interesting to fill the gaps with extra combat punch of impact hits it could serve as a replacement to the Boar Boys but with a smaller footprint.

[@rynbrtn]

This is exactly what I do with beastmen ungor (bsb with vitriolic totem) except imagine all those poison shots plus 2x viletides... Hopefully it works out for me at the SBO TO this coming weekend!

[@adamsboringvids]

Wondering if you just want to put the vitriolic totem on Gor tho. You can easily be pumping 30 attacks with poison out the front of that unit.

[@CruorVult92]

So tempted to do this and just fill out the rest of the character slots with gorebulls in the unit

[@rynbrtn]

@@adamsboringvids I was doing that, but then I decided to try the ungor into wood elves, baited in his dragon with a juicy chariot, he killed the chariot instantly, then my turn : plague of rust, poison shots/viltide and I peeled 8 wounds off him and he had to run his dragon away for the rest of the game which allowed me to clean up....then I was hooked. In like every game I play now theyre my mvp. If you go on BCP you can see my list in the SBO TO. Lots and lots of playtesting has gone into that puppy. Youll know its my list cause I'm pretty sure I'm the only person in the world playing poison ungors.

[@rynbrtn]

@@CruorVult92 I think max heroes on beastmen is a trap. If you look at what you get for a doombull or gorbull and then compare that to the points cost of 3 dragon ogres you quickly realize theyre not worth imo.

[@unseenlurker845]

@@rynbrtn I see you (only) have 20 ungors in your list. Do you feel that is enough to pose a big enough threat, or would you like more models in the unit?

[@josephjustice4553]

Prettt obviously will work. Any archer unit 100 strong will overwhelm anything just based off of sheer statistics.

[@sib316uk]

I managed to dodge it all event but it was funny, especially when he TMP's it It mangles dragons for fun

[@ReiverGames]

Hey i was there! 3 draws with dark elves...

[@catalingavrilescu2317]

Cool. what list did you bring?

[@ReiverGames]

@@catalingavrilescu2317 fairly standard I think. Dragon with ogre blade, battle level 4 with black staff and ruby ring and dark Riders. But also had a big block of Witches with death Hag in, hydra, cold ones and harpies. Little bit of 'meta', little bit of fun.

[@catalingavrilescu2317]

@@ReiverGames how do you find the black stuff? I normally go for the lore familiar. what do you give the hag? executioner's blade? also, how do you use the hydra? I tried it and the kharybdis a few times and they didn't do much. I find them overpriced for their capabilities.

[@ReiverGames]

@@catalingavrilescu2317 I love the staff. You just get everything off, and the miscast aren't that punishing. I had the Hag with the Sword is Might, but in the future I would go executioners blade. She's just too fragile. If you aren't in a challenge (and winning) you just get targeted and killed. The big lads are probably overpriced, but the hydra always does well for me. Just have to play around shooting.

[@catalingavrilescu2317]

@@ReiverGames thank you. will try the staff in the future. Personally I am addicted to lore familiar and plague of ruin.

[@xblue_kennyx4519]

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 yay night goblinses

[@MarkWilcox-y9v]

Tomb kings with 90 archers with bsb with banner that gives armour bane with serpent broach and a mage which allows rerolls of 1 from lore of nehekara. Only thing we don’t have is the tmp, but we can raise back our dead 😁

[@davetime2545]

Tmp is the big thing for it really you need the mobility. But that tk list was fun.

[@jamesramsay9658]

TK can take elementalism if you want to?

[@davetime2545]

@@jamesramsay9658 yes. But warbows lack quick shot so are more at risk of losing stand and shoot.

[@GhostGuitars]

isnt the unit capped at 20 for tomb kings archers?

[@bruunkristian]

Only if they are skirmisher

[@MrAxel80]

If you have shared it, where can one find the new iterations of the list ? Also very interested in the reasoning behind it.

[@CloseOrder]

David is pretty active on the Close Order discord, you can find his updated lists there in the Orcs & Goblins section!

[@michaldzurenda504]

Brb, gotta go order some night gobbos.

[@svartninjan]

Cheers!

[@markysgeeklab8783]

Ive been painting a list of 50 NGs with bows x2 for ages, still dont have them all :)

[@davetime2545]

I had to paint 60 for a 1 day tournament in 4 days after the FAQ on unit size. terrified that i'm considering painting another 40 to improve the list xD

[@gaztabollos]

This ONLY works with large targets right? As soon as you use TMP, volley fire gets deactivated right? Also stand and shoot can only use the first rank. So, very difficult to deal with pegasus as soon as they go out of your front arc. Or am i mistaken?

[@davetime2545]

you're correct, it's why Night goblins are particularly good at this (and imo the only ones who can do it) when they finally pin you down and Travel mysical Pathway fails you then have three fanatics to blunt the charge. you're aiming to have earthern ramparts up too so your horde gets a 5 up ward and stops the initiative bonus for the charge. if they charge into the unit after fanatics the unit takes effectively 6 d6 (or assuming 5 d6 considering the likelihood of a single double) s5 hits at ap3.

[@jesseg2444]

@@davetime2545 Yo I love this interview you did, you did a great job talking about the units and with your knowledge I would love to hear more about green skins Idk if you ever saw Dawi after dark but it would be awesome to see some more videos about green skins And why no spears on squig hoppers

[@davetime2545]

@@jesseg2444 just points the goblins are ws 2 so hard to hit nd the squigs do the majority of the work.

[@AndyM_323YYY]

Some Fungus Wine on the BSB character would give an additional chance to make the death star stand against terror.

[@davetime2545]

got 2 in the updated version of the list! for exactly this reason there were a few hairy moments without it.

[@musictheorywizard4799]

At 59:40 he says that he’s teleporting 37 inches across the board, can someone explained how he’s doing that? How would TMpathways Get that Range?

[@brettjames7352]

Because it’s worded anywhere within 12” not wholly within, only 1 guy out of the unit needs to be within 12” the rest could be in a conga line and could end up miles further away

[@musictheorywizard4799]

@@brettjames7352 do you can also reform to and shape you want? How can that be known by reading the spell?

[@olimather4779]

Yeah that's a debatable one, lots of arguments and needs a clarification. As they say, it probably shouldn't be like that and needs an FAQ. Currently skirmish gors with Viletide breaks the game with it. Just don't do it if you want friends.

[@grlmgor]

@@musictheorywizard4799 You don't reform you just wheel the unit and cause it 15 models wide (14.7 inch). So you go 12 inch forward then rotate 90 degrees so the end model is 26.7 inches away form the starting position.

[@andreigrigoriev6836]

Nice video. At first I thought this was a prank podcast. But actually 90 is a legit number for a unit size. I'm getting my 90 free company militias now. Next, 90 night goblins only natural predator, 5 helstorm rocket batteries, let's go. But wouldn't a crystal column just make the entire unit useless? Is it a prank podcast?🤔

[@kerel995]

Does TMP counts as move? If it does, any refference in rulebook/faq?

[@The_Winslow]

It does - the most recent FAQ clarifies that if the unit changes position for any reason, they count as having moved.

[@aaronshehter4073]

Where can I find his army list ?

[@kevinhull7175]

Night Goblin Player here. I field 3 x 30 units of NG archers. I cant see how this works. Volley fire doesnt work if you move for any reason or stand and shoot. So it's only the 15 archers in the front rank that will ever fire unless you are stationary. Then you will just get flank charged. What am I missing?

[@CloseOrder]

All models can shoot at Large Targets - even if they're in back ranks

[@kevinhull7175]

How does he get around the moving and volley fire though if he's using spells to whizz around? Surely he gets out manoeuvred?

[@kevinhull7175]

Sorry, I should have said thanks for the clarification. I hadn't interpreted the rules that way so my army just got better 👍

[@CloseOrder]

Honestly it blew my mind when I saw it in the FAQ. It's technically always been the case, but I never considered it until I saw it on the page!

[@Omalley69]

Faq says random movers need line of sight. Still, great job. Awesome list.

[@davetime2545]

The faq states that they follow the rules of charging from page 126 which is closest to closest etc etc. LOS is required to declare a charge which random movers do not do.

[@gilessmith-x1y]

@@davetime2545 The FAQ states that they follow all the normal rules for charging which does include LOS, so no random movers cannot charge without having LOS at start of the turn

[@davetime2545]

@@gilessmith-x1y would suggest rereading the faq. It explicitly states it follows the same criteria of page 126 which does not state los. To declare a charge you require los. Random movement does not declare a charge. The page 126 states it must be closest to closest in a straight line etc etc.

[@gilessmith-x1y]

@@davetime2545 Yes but if you actually read the FAQ it quite clearly states you must follow the same criteria for a normal move charge and LOS IS a criteria. That is the entire point of the FAQ

[@davetime2545]

@@gilessmith-x1y this was an faq to answer hoppers curving into flanks etc. Declaring a charge is very different to the charge move in the rule set.

[@SamiAlDaiji]

Rulebook pg 180 - volley fire cannot be used to stand and shoot. How were you able to finish off the dragons with only 12 shots?

[@ronaldtaylor7996]

Large target special rule and the latest FAQ

[@jesseg2444]

@@ronaldtaylor7996okay so night gobbos can all see dragon and can there for stand and shoot?

[@vicioushellsing]

@@jesseg2444 yup, everyone sees the dragon, you don't need volley fire.

[@matteodefrancesco1213]

stand and shoot with quick shot due to shortbow, and anyone can fire vs lareg target

[@ronaldtaylor7996]

​@@jesseg2444correct

[@paolo.barone]

Are all the wizards supposed to go into the unit? How do you protect them from getting beaten in combat?

[@AndyPrzybyla]

id imagine spread them out, refuse challenge, kill things with stand and shoot. Static combat res to win

[@adamsboringvids]

Goblin spider riders come with the poison attacks rule. So with the spider banner they auto wound on 5+. Why not take 30 of them!

[@jamesramsay9658]

they are too expensive

[@CloseOrder]

The output for 1 spider = 2 normal gobbos, but the wounds are halved, so even if the spiders were cheaper IMO the NG brick is better

[@davetime2545]

@@CloseOrder you'd also have to invest in a thinkin at to stop the impetuous which is another 25 points spent.

[@davek9608]

A dragon with a 3+ armor save, 5+ regen and 5+ ward save suffers 3 wounds on average from 90 shortbow shots even with poison. Is there any AP? I heard -3 AP but I don't see anything that would cause that.

[@CloseOrder]

Evil Sun Shinin' and Plague of Rust combine to be an effective AP-3

[@SkiSummer]

Where they have to make a panic test where they lose 25% of the models remaining is it over the turn or just from the one source of shooting?

[@albertlesbretelles]

25% in the same phase.

[@musictheorywizard4799]

Is he just using travel mystical pathways to move up and then shoot or can you re-face the travel missile pathway? Or turn around etc?

[@musictheorywizard4799]

☀️

[@davetime2545]

@@musictheorywizard4799 as long as one of the models in the unit is within 12 inches of the units original position you can rotate however you please. the spell gives incredible flexibility to a unit of this size as I mentioned in the video.

[@bradjasmin5362]

Skirmishing regular goblins over night goblins?

[@CloseOrder]

Skirmish has the downside of losing half the unit when charged! Plus you lose out on Fanatics when going regular Goblins

[@davetime2545]

​@@CloseOrder you also lose out on your rank bonus on leadership checks. Definitely thought about it though

[@That_Rat_Bastrd]

1:03:00 religious film? Isnt that from the modern Hercules fim with The Rock in the title part?

[@CloseOrder]

After some googling, I wasn't quite right - it's the Hercules (2014) clip

[@That_Rat_Bastrd]

@@CloseOrder oh yea flexing my extremely limited general knowledge 💪🧠

[@harrybrass734]

What does TMP stand for?

[@jgascoine011]

Travel mystical pathways

[@patrickmurtagh2088]

Fun list but I think it's illegal, you need 1 night gobbo hero per night gobbo unit. However I am fully on board with any mushroom based shenanigans

[@davetime2545]

it was two NG goblin charecters alongside the NG units so it was a legal list.

[@patrickmurtagh2088]

​@@davetime2545 it's 4 Ng units, 2x squig hoppers and the 2 core units and only 2 Ng heros as far as I can tell?

[@davetime2545]

@@patrickmurtagh2088 its 1 core 1 hopper Per charecter not 1 char required for 1 unit. so with 2 chars your limited to 2 of each unit if that makes sense.

[@patrickmurtagh2088]

@@davetime2545 time to rewrite my list so 😂 I thought it was one unit per character.

[@davetime2545]

@@patrickmurtagh2088 xD it happens it's not the most straight forward section of the codex.

[@moragkelly6901]

😁