Dragons Spooked by Entrepreneur's Lack of Retail Ambition | Dragons' Den

Sarah Reast and Phil Wilson are pitching their family's wooden mechanical kit business - 'Timber Kits'. The two are seeking an investment of £25,000 in return for a 15% equity stake but will any Dragon invest after discovering the company's lack of retail ambition?
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[@_B.M_]

Only just bought one of these from a small privately owned toy shop in Norfolk for my daughter. Great product and sensibly priced. Touker time has done this company good.

[@chrisdawe3027]

Somewhere, somehow, Rory is out living his best life catching seaweed - long live Rory

[@suhailhameed9840]

🤣🤣🤣

[@sesu5604]

Absolutely. Loved the guy. Unfortunately the lady owning the business didn't make a good impression.

[@marineruk1]

No seaweed, no sales, no profit. That’s my daily mantra

[@Cloud__ffvii]

I’ve got the best job in the world....

[@DerekWong967]

That con artist ripped Fiona off

[@orietbardot1534]

Peter was really pleased for them. Haven’t seen such a happy smile from him before.

[@jasontownsend9460]

I think he was laughing coz he hadn’t offered them office space in London.

[@harryrock169]

I think Touker is an emotional but appears to be a caring type and always giving people a chance & lifeline when he hears genuine background stories.

[@robgoodburn6178]

Agreed, he seems the most heart driven of them all.

[@roberthutchins4297]

You're absolutely right / he is definitely "an emotional". It comes from his time working in The Vatican. Pope's right hand man in the shade. Have you noticed the secret ties he wears_+

[@Lyle-xc9pg]

@@roberthutchins4297 the F

[@blackdahlia0505]

@@roberthutchins4297 he's Turkish. Muslim. Why would he give a toss about the Pope

[@roberthutchins4297]

@@blackdahlia0505 My original answer, so long ago now, may not have been intended seriously.

[@jamesf449]

Glad to see the company is doing well and that Touker is still involved

[@laurasincitycomics]

I was literally about to go investigate then saw your comment. I live in south wales and i have heard of them! They fo amazing bespoke sleighs at Christmas. Quoted me £400 for one for an event i was running!

[@Highran56]

According to Companies House Touker is listed as a co-director so looks like for once the investment has went through.

[@ZrixTheMagician3]

Touker just loves offering more than they asked for.

[@chrisdawe3027]

And a cheeky bit of office space in London

[@ashleelmb]

Yeah, but he also likes even more to demand more equity share.

[@thedunyadoneya2628]

It's quite clever, he essentially reduces their valuation without outright saying it. I don't think anybody will be able to find a pitch where he offered more money at the same valuation as what the entrepreneurs said. It's always a bit more money, for a much bigger percentage whereas others would just offer the same amount of money for a bit more percentage and negotiate on that. People just see the £££ and not the bigger picture.

[@ZrixTheMagician3]

Fabinho sweeps up yeah I was thinking about that, they’re always on the spot and in shock so never seem to complain or even realize about the change in valuation. Sneaky Touker knows what he’s doing!

[@johnmc3862]

@@chrisdawe3027 In the shard.

[@ifwecouldvote]

Dragons den video comments 1) Who is eating while watchin this? 2) Who watches this during lunch? 3) Am I the only one who finds Sarah hot? 4) Unoriginal Jenny joke. 5) "Touka time" sounds dodgy 6) Peter: tech, Touka: office space, Jenny: out etc. etc. 7) Theo 'the foetus' 8) Jenny has two strapping lads at home. 9) Touka should've offered his office space. 10) Why does the narrator say what just happened? 11) I miss Duncan. 12) Duncan is "oat". 13) The deal didn't go through after the show. 14) The website is still up, but looks like it hasn't been updated in years. 15) Just checked companies house. The company dissolved in 2012 owing debts of 200,000.

[@penmerch2804]

9. because he knows

[@AWilliamBishop]

Nailed it

[@salemkid1979]

7/ wrong, jenny has a strap-on at home

[@JediDJMaster]

No I find Sarah hot too I would like to see her standing up though see what kind of body she has

[@thegrowl2210]

‘The Peter Jones show’

[@AnitaJobby]

One is wondering as to why Touker hasn't offered them his premises bang in the middle of Central London for the purpose of their own factory. 🤣

[@jaybayer3670]

This is my most favorite product on the show ever. I'm a sucker for stuff like that.

[@c.fyffe0]

I bought one of these after seeing them here on show I love the quirky gadget

[@hansiesma16]

Whenever Peter is that nice about somebody's product you just know he's out.

[@cmecoo3109]

Touker's argument for outsourcing basically boils down to Chinese Labour being easier to exploit than a British Workforce

[@thecorruptversion]

Why when it's chinese it's "labour" and when it's british it's "workforce"?

[@AlphaCentauri24]

Such are the products which should absolutely receive financial help.

[@Japan_C1]

Sarah always has a lovely smile when the entrepreneurs enter the Den.

[@ifwecouldvote]

Yes, such beautiful lips. Upstairs and down.

[@LA-cv9eq]

@@ifwecouldvote😐

[@sexpeare8947]

@@LA-cv9eq don't u like lips ?

[@Troublenut]

aidan mcnally an incel has to fantasise i suppose, seeing as you never get any LMAO

[@ifwecouldvote]

@@Troublenut Oh I gets mine. Say hi to your mother for me son ;)

[@ileolai]

''in China they have longer working hours'' yes Touker, that's why we call them sweat shops 😂

[@lloydielloydie821]

They don't have a problem shipping work to China then critique the country's human rights.

[@courtneyhawkins4072]

Exactly talk about how horrible the human rights aspect is but everybody is going to China for production. Such hypocrites that’s why I dont blame China, were just as bad as the people that underpay their workers in horrendous conditions working unthinkable hours.

[@Japan_Malaysia]

Chinese workers standard of living is growing 10 times faster than in the west.

[@KJ_2020]

🤣 people are really clueless about the efficiency and technological superiority of Chinese manufacturing. Westerners probably imagine little kids and old grannies carving these out by hand in a damp cave 🤣🤣🤣

[@lloydielloydie821]

KJ 2020 not me.. top top factories. On a par if not superior to western world. However, Slave labour can still exist in this techno age. Ie working hours, Health and safety, Environmental impact This is why it’s so difficult for the west to compete with China. Where We are shackled by rules and regs they aren’t. And the west support this with one hand, and rebut this with the other. Ask any businessman or women whether they would live there permanently under the rules of the Chinese republic ? If think the answer would be, NO!!!

[@royfr8136]

Deborah interupts all the time but she cant be interupted... All of these people have such huge egos.

[@TheD2D21]

That you got right, yes, no matter how talented they do think of themselves better than the rest and especially better than outsiders in any way.

[@jackiecheng4161]

Deborah tbh, is the fairest dragon.

[@wge621]

It's different to be interrupted by another dragon then to interrupt the presenter.

[@Binyamin1444]

@@jackiecheng4161 after the legend that is James Caan 😎

[@royfr8136]

@SavageArfad obssessed with winning yes

[@Jamie_Winsh]

As soon as they came in and I saw there products it looked really exciting! They looked amazing. Wood models are really cool

[@nanaok8070]

Poor old Nick, he always looks so perplexed

[@nick9198]

hi

[@nanaok8070]

@@nick9198 😀

[@johnmc3862]

He does a winning WTF face.

[@Wilkofantastico]

Company still going, great website

[@MrHampat]

Whats the website?

[@foxernator]

They always do Touker dirty in the thumbnails and video titles hahaha

[@christinebartmann7252]

Thanks for these episodes great laugh

[@TSF_Ukraine]

Such a lovely product and business, hope they succeeded in the end.

[@carljackson9775]

i will second that

[@cdav2199]

Yes, definitely good potential here with making kits for schools etc. Getting more into to the ever-growing STEM market is going to be key into keeping it alive for many years to come I think though.

[@bensmith5288]

Wasn't her buisness. It was her dads .. doesnt count

[@TSF_Ukraine]

@@bensmith5288 It doesn't matter, her dad is not immortal and the business has to keep on going to make sure his legacy survives far beyond. It's a family business, so it makes sense for the kids to keep it alive. What matters now is whether or not she succeeds, and I hope she does.

[@Chi_Vid1]

not very environmentally friendly

[@jimmorrison8203]

Touker is the best dragon. Love the way he winds up the others. And if he’s not interested he doesn’t mess around he just says I’m out.

[@shanem4545]

KZbin stop recommending these videos! I can't stop!

[@carolin2544]

Peter's celebrating like he himself just got a great deal 😄 The company is still around, and they have some really cool kits (and paint for them)!

[@visitperaiagreece]

Too bad they are made in China. I would much prefer something made in Wales and pay more for it.

[@BenjaminGoose]

Are sheep any good at building things?

[@tumbles8350]

Probably better than the Chinese, they can see what they are doing 😂

[@Colby_0-3_IRL_and_title_fights]

@@tumbles8350 iPhones are more complicated than wooden toys

[@abcdabcd9023]

Your iPhone if you are using one is made in china !

[@courtneyhawkins4072]

Ha ha we hear the same sheep jokes here in NZ......

[@green_firefly]

They seem to be still in business. Awesome. :)

[@davidmg1925]

lOvely lady and gent. I'm so glad they got an offer. Shame on the rest of the dragons. Peter Deborah Sarah???

[@lukeflaherty4806]

I thought the title was for when Deborah and touker fought with the dragons ahaha

[@freezasama5802]

classic deborah and touker fighting all the time over businesses it usually ends up with either one of them telling each other off

[@ah7910]

In fairness, it’s usually Deborah snapping at Touker. He’s a bit like an overgrown kid but I like his enthusiasm. Deborah, as much as I like her too, can be too moody.

[@karimmarinocastromartinez34]

@@ah7910 yeah i find funny that she always reject his oferts of parthnenship

[@BenjaminGoose]

I think it'd be great for them to bring production back to Wales. They could pay their staff £1 an hour who would then live like kings.

[@christinebartmann7252]

BenjaminGoose love that

[@J_J1711]

Deborah is totally correct! We need to stop outsourcing so much to China! Unfortunately with that deal they made looks like that won't happen.

[@christinebartmann7252]

Julian yes sadly it will be made in China

[@JSSTyger]

Something doesn't seem right. These people seem to have valued their business PROPERLY.

[@danielhanson4673]

I swear thats toukers only negotiating tactic offer more money than they asked for 😂

[@garystrankman3841]

Yes but he gets it all back from cheap production from China, don't think he would invest if it was manufactured in the U.K.

[@amirrezai2118]

Well done

[@StuartMacadam]

I remember watching this for the first time wandering what the dragons were gonna say.

[@scarfhs1]

Touker made an offer because he wants the company to make a kit that he can use to build a new London Office.

[@jenniferharper-christas4825]

Omg these things are so cool.

[@eic13496]

Touker: Im a product person... Focus on Debborah... Savage

[@bergenmatthew]

Touker and Duncan are my favorites

[@theeggtimertictic1136]

Saw these in a shop 2 years ago ... if my children were smaller I would have bought them

[@ifwecouldvote]

Is there a height restriction?

[@theeggtimertictic1136]

@@ifwecouldvote 😂🤪

[@pawesomiak9113]

The only way of making the product in UK that would be at least comparable to cost of making in CN would be if the product was made my machines, not by human labour so the costs of manufacture would consist only of electricity and machinery amortization over time (+rent for space needed to place the machinery). If the product was made by human hands then the cost would skyrocket...

[@CynicalScientist261]

Lovely woman. Well spoken.

[@Varaughe]

The welsh Jenkins made no offer or I missed when he went out ... :)

[@STE.B]

Deborah "Did I Win" She is so competitive 😀💙

[@whoasked7192]

She won 1st place in the rude biatch competition

[@RobotronSage]

hahahaha that was cute the way she and touker were battling it out

[@arshaqsait217]

Well done Touker👍

[@TheknightofGod-KOG]

Good job

[@nathanmetcalfe1478]

Start vid. Pause vid. Read comments.

[@KarrierBag]

Exactly 🤣🤣🤣

[@ashley4372]

See spoiler 👀

[@Ryanjoned163]

Jenny: I'm definitely out after this comment on

[@badgasaurus4211]

This comment will be getting stolen for the next video mark my words

[@nathanmetcalfe1478]

@@badgasaurus4211 happy to join the esteemed group that includes all the Jenny jokes and Toukers office space

[@TwitchXk90]

Ok, Ive bookmarked that website, that Christmas sorted.

[@salemkid1979]

sadly they had to shut up shop due to covid

[@FahadAyaz]

What's the website?

[@salemkid1979]

btw, i lied, just a joke, i have no clue

[@TwitchXk90]

@@salemkid1979 Not uncommon, you had me going for a while.

[@callumhughes7372]

Our hero big phil

[@Argumemnon]

Nice craftsmanship, there.

[@RandomWords62737]

I love the product

[@nicholaswood3063]

This looks like a fabulous product being held back by its owners. Astonishing really.

[@rishikumar-di4ce]

my same thought, they just want the small way living. they can use so many pitched to increase the engagement. like kids can build it from the start which can enhance their brain skill set or just substitute of lego( which is a mighty company).

[@multigamer9432]

I have one of these there amazing

[@b-dogs1038]

She seems like someone that would own a woodwork business. Quirky & elf like.

[@MissTippex]

I miss Sarah Willingham on the Den. She was so positive

[@another_day4783]

but she never really invested in anything outside of food and drink.

[@KarrierBag]

@@another_day4783 but she was pretty spot on with what she said, she may not have invested as much as others but her input was invaluable IMO.

[@jaylondon283]

She’s never understood anything anyone came in with lol

[@NUFC_1]

she was good eye candy

[@ifwecouldvote]

She was the hottest

[@l3bronthebeast]

Touker just knows how to negotiate better deals. Thats why he thought differently

[@misc_chi]

I still can't work out what these products are supposed to do

[@kpm25]

Oh dear????

[@ashleelmb]

It's not supposed to do anything other than stand there. It's a wooden model that moves about.

[@kpm25]

@@ashleelmb They could be used in many ways....use your imaginations... even to make youtube videos! :)

[@Japan_C1]

"Touker time" sounds dodgy

[@ifwecouldvote]

Someone stole ur comment 😅

[@Japan_C1]

@@ifwecouldvote Its incredible that anyone is so sad that they steal comments from others

[@Japan_Malaysia]

Somebody called "Ajmal Erfino " stole your comment

[@badgasaurus4211]

Eddie the Cat Nice copy and paste you cancer

[@Japan_C1]

@@badgasaurus4211 I have reported your comment as "harassment or bullying"

[@Blueguy72]

Does anyone know of an episode where Sara makes an actual investment?

[@nedimkolecic295]

She's the new Jenny

[@KarrierBag]

Toukers sword seems a bit blunt.

[@mlml7854]

i bought some of fionas seaweed from waitrose but there was a hair in it which i assume was from rorys nasal patch. stuck it on ebay made £80

[@BallisticBurns]

Wow based only 10 miles from where I used to live. Didn't even know it existed.

[@adamrandles4055]

Touker laying the foundations for some bedroom board meetings here

[@ZrixTheMagician3]

1:46 foreshadowing the title.

[@jrbs]

I hope it worked out for them.

[@thomasseitz4090]

The toy business is brutal. Very few people succeed.

[@christinebartmann7252]

Thomas Seitz yes you are right about that.

[@DK_Son]

What kind of Dragon investor would want to jump onto a 200k turn over that only increases by 20k per year? I get it for a smaller investor. Maybe someone with dumb money. But these deals rarely entice the Dragons. They have such huge portfolios that bring in bajillions of dollars. Once they get their cut from the profits of this business, they're only gonna be looking at a few hundred quid. This was a bit "all over the place". They wanted to grow, but stay small and niche. That's very specific business control. As opposed to just wanting to grow the business by having the product in several locations.

[@RobotronSage]

Yeah a lot of entrepeneurs seem to want 99% of the company for all of the money, for lack of better explanation. I mean they seem to lack the general notion that they've gotta tickle the dragons' balls a little. And by that i mean make the investment interesting by the promise of significant returns, or failing that, giving the dragons a huge stake of a company that has a golden idea which would turn huge profits in the hands of a capable business person.

[@reginaldparker7425]

I think I’m in love wit Sarah lol

[@dominicczajka6005]

Sarah Willingham is absolutely stunning.

[@johnsergie3906]

you just realised :)

[@sandvik4444]

She looks so good!!

[@michaelwallden7261]

@@johnsergie3906 ohhh yes she is stunning with a great attitude

[@balance3201]

Y cause she's rich?

[@JagoffCitizen]

@Belgravia Supercar Rental Horses have necks

[@elijiah6503]

just in time for lunch

[@chobson8602]

its Saturday morning you mean breakfast

[@BenjaminGoose]

@@chobson8602 No, it's 13:00.

[@ZrixTheMagician3]

It's my lunch time ritual

[@Vikanuck]

Lmao that was the funniest slap in the face from Peter I’ve ever seen on this show. “I don’t see any kind of money making business in this product, so I’m going to declare myself out, but I’ll give you some money so I can take one home to play with” haha 😂

[@markcooper6000]

GOOD PRODUCT CAN SEE MANY WAYS VERY LARGE AND ALSO IN GARDEN

[@polenit6390]

I hope this one works out 🇬🇧

[@ainsleyharriott2209]

They should make it in Bognor Regis then they could advertise with a slogan ”Proudly produced in Bognor Regis”

[@ashleelmb]

They could produce it anywhere in the UK and put 'Proudly produced in ______' - It doesn't specifically have to be Bognor Regis. The place of production is irrelevant.

[@James-miller]

I’ve got a better idea make them disassembled flat in a box and sell them in high street toy shops I’d of loved to make one of those as a kid playing with it not so much but making and painting would be fun

[@ceeleegee825]

They are disassembled, the customer builds them. They've got a great website

[@James-miller]

Celia G I didn’t even notice the little boxes just assumed they were prebuilt as they weren’t all small I like the bigger ones like the drummer and accordion

[@RobotronSage]

Still you got a good idea there. Why NOT sell in high street? This is a great way for a large portion of the population to get in touch with the past. Although i will argue the QUALITY of these products do seem like they could do with improving. But this was recorded, what, 2 years ago?

[@jay-dubb.dubb.68]

6:55 I know Debs and the other Dragon gurrrrrrls like their "nails did"... but Toucan Silly-Man looks like (s)he is dabbling w/a soft-pink set 💅🏼 😉🫠

[@thelawless1523]

10:05 such an interesting face and eye colour

[@irusu.]

wholesome

[@mlml7854]

why do people only watch these during lunch. ive had to go give up my job due to shielding my dad who i live with one of the advantages of which is i get to watch DD clips from 10am through to the mid afternoon when i usually switch to rogue traders

[@oneheadlight8000]

The problem with making anything in China is that you automatically have a direct competitor

[@jackiecheng4161]

Touker didn't even have to give up any office space for this.

[@christinebartmann7252]

Jackie Cheng yes I thought the same thing

[@sirbla1rsco239]

Regular comments in order of old to new goes : Jenny jokes Sarah is stunning Just in time for lunch

[@isaacjacobs3785]

"Sarah is stunning" .... really ?? Low standards

[@havva_p]

you post this comment every video

[@Ryanjoned163]

@@havva_p 🖕

[@sirbla1rsco239]

@@havva_p to my knowledge noone has post this comment it's similar to the comments of people wanting likes.. my intention was to highlight that you see these comments constantly, especially in the 1st hour of vid being put up

[@sirbla1rsco239]

@@isaacjacobs3785 never said she was or wasn't mate

[@Ryanjoned163]

Lovely people great product hope they do well all the best to them Sarah Willingham she's so cute

[@Talkinglife]

nice

[@Bartgoeschurch]

I need to start a family macaroni art business.

[@allmite]

a very well-spoken woman

[@Arioch1987]

And a lovely looking one also.

[@shy_sorai_vlogs]

Yay! Although the toys looked cheap to me, honestly...

[@nt7863]

The second you hear someone is from Wales you can guarantee you’re going to see a dragon,a daffodil or,if you’re really unlucky,they’ll start bloody singing

[@OperaJH]

Sometimes, Peter is really good to look at. 😂

[@noor7611]

She sound very clever

[@angrydevilentertainment7456]

Rory where you at, im considering a seaweed diet

[@TRIPLEX47]

Poor old Touker - he's not liked by the other dragons

[@JC-ps2zy]

I bumped into touker and told him I was only staying in london for a week and he asked me if I would like an office in London free for the week and 10 percent of his time? I was shocked it was like he threw these offers at everyone he ever met haha

[@neilunknown]

Great message for the future here, I fully support capitalism, entrepreneurship and innovation, it can also promote and stimulate regional growth...just stop being greedy.

[@AYTAZED]

I get the feeling touker likes his Chinese sweatshops.

[@Jasper-Holland]

11:45 did she say no?

[@TheFbiFilesRepeat]

Jasper-Holland yes no maybe

[@leenobody3249]

Hello ,I am Ghislaine Maxwell....she said

[@kevincross6119]

Pmsl

[@m77ast]

Touker Legend. Very interesting man. Sara is just there for the money. Sarah says - Lads for me it’s all about the Benjamin’s. No Benjis - No investment. 😃😃🤣🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

[@marinamaged962]

Duh of course she’s here for the money she’s an investor

[@johnronald8971]

Why not sell as a build at home kit. I am sure children and adults would love to buy a kit and build it themselves. You would get collectors who would buy several.

[@FUNKINETIK]

I’m sure they are self build kits.