Drama From The Ledgestone Open Disc Golf Tournament

[@seymourglass26]

Thank you for including the Stokely take. Also for context, the first things out of Scott's mouth were to thank the spotter and all volunteers. Guy's a real one.

[@kbarrett63]

Paul throws disc into water on edge of dammed pond. Paul walks over to gates of the dam and opens them wide open. By the time he gets to his disc, the level has dropped and the disc is 'dry' :)

[@Chance-ln1gp]

as far as the spotters lipstick decision goes ,I would suggest a re-tee with no penalty. OB should always be clearly defined and marked in an event like Ledgestone. However if you're disc is surrounded by water it's obviously OB. You wouldn't play that ly in ball golf nor would you in disc golf. thanks for the videos fellas!

[@jblps]

Yeah I thought about this too. I think only if the shot was clearly going back in and a bystanders interference makes it OOB then retee. Otherwise I could see some controversy. Also agree about Paul's Lie

[@tonis5487]

A touring pro disc golfer said that the 2024 Ledgestone Open felt like playing at a random weekly event after the European Disc Golf Festival... 🙃

[@ryork12]

I attended this as my first event and it was incredible. Would absolutely recommend it to anyone interested in the sport. So many pros around, so much to learn, great shopping at flymarts. So cool!

[@MJVelpel]

Same for me. I was at Sunset and Eureka all four days on the verge of heat stroke. What shocked me was the low prize money. PGA golfers probably make 15k per swing.

[@caidynkilpatrick2908]

I would like to add some information I have about this event as a scorekeeper for all 4 days. Regarding OB lines: The players were given information from the announcer before the round that the stakes are the OB, NOT the painted lines. The painted lines were used for the flex starts. If there were no stakes on a hole, OB is surrounded by water. This information was easily accessible. I can see how people got confused, but if they simply looked for the info where we were keeping score at online they would’ve found exactly what they needed. Regarding the wrong tee signs: The distances were definitely off, but if we’re going to be critical of it here we need to be critical of it everywhere. According to pros I kept score for, the tee signs are off almost every week. Hopefully, the signs being a main complaint this week will get the pro tour to make a change and simply update their signs.

[@waynebryant1857]

Pretty stupid to have painted lines and not use them,what’s the point?

[@caidynkilpatrick2908]

@@waynebryant1857They didn’t have the Stakes and rope up yet, so they needed an easy fix for the flex. Once the flex was done, they realized the OB they painted was wrong in some areas. Players were told to not worry about the paint at all from the announcer before teeing off in the first round.

[@joeexoticstiger3544]

@@caidynkilpatrick2908well that’s not confusing at all…

[@covakfilms9939]

The AM side was a joke as well. People jumping in the water and screaming non stop at kennel lake. Also several people fishing the lake while we were playing in the fairways. Not to mention the Flymart that was the smallest I’ve ever witnessed. Not to mention the cut off viewing areas for “vip” that were never cut off before.

[@willhowarddg]

Gannon is so good that when he gets a bad break, he’s able to cover it up. If his approach rolls away, he always seems to make the putt so you just don’t notice that he got unlucky.

[@raymondvorndran4306]

It's a lot easier when you are 18, and have no bills!

[@danielmccachern2307]

Complaining about Ledgestone is crazy. Ledgestone might be the most professional event in the world. Nate Heinold and staff are running the largest tournament in the world, a major, and a 3rd DGPT stop in one year. I hope Ledgestone keeps doing exactly what it has been doing. The courses and the loads of special events continue to improve. Sunset had new tee pads and Eureka had new pin locations and there was a $10K ace try for anyone who wanted to try. It is the best spectator experience anywhere. Any Pro or Am would love to have a Ledgestone title. As an amateur, I will keep going to Ledgestone for the foreseeable future. The spotter tried to get cute and straddle the disc instead of getting far away from the path of the disc early in its flight/roll. I agree with the comment about making sure avoiding interference with a disc at all costs is clearly communicated beforehand.

[@MJVelpel]

Agree. I don’t know him but complainers should walk a mile in his shoes or any volunteer for that matter.

[@dylanunderpar]

Oakley is the biggest cry baby when it comes to noise/movement. I’ll say it again, if you want more crowds/bigger cash you will need to deal with people that do not know or have etiquette…also there is more of a chance that someone will make noise or make a mistake when crowds are large…yes the pros shouldn’t have to deal with distractions, but it’s just as valid to expect them to prepare & to expect more distractions as the sport grows…

[@earlthomas6295]

Oakley is just a big cry baby.

[@caidynkilpatrick2908]

I was on that exact card with Oakley in round 3 as scorekeeper, and Oakley was definitely not a cry baby about it. In fact, Oakley had the most positive attitude on the card. On hole 3 he let a pedestrian walk by, because he could see that they didn’t know what was going on at all. I’m pretty sure the guy was on a phone call, so anyone else would’ve let him walk by instead of trying to throw. When he messed up his tee shot, he was mainly upset with himself and not the moment.

[@stmn346]

Kinda like Buhr at Euro open?? He’s such a baby

[@WingerSupreme]

There is a world of difference between crowds and random bystanders - and not just from a distraction point of view, but talking safety.

[@youropionmattersnot]

​@@stmn346Where's your next tournament for money? I would love to watch you play. Better yet, I'll sign up and play along. I don't know how old you are but I'm in my 50s and I would bet real money I'd make you cry.

[@RainbowsDrug]

It was great meeting you too this weekend! Looking forward to the clothing line coming up 👀

[@TherealPapaDogP]

Having been a spotter before, even at an event where Double G played, I see it like this: 1) Spotters should place themselves well out of the way of the shot. Only come up to flag, or place the OB markers, then go back to your spot. 2) If you challenge OB, you invite yourself to a certain amount of risk, that includes hitting spotters or the crowd. 3) While I do think that the spotters should’ve hustled his ass outta the way, if you’ve never been a spotter for top level pros, understand this: That disc is MOVING! It could’ve been hard to gauge but all the more reason he should’ve hustled. Knees to chest!

[@toryshafer1961]

I like that you cover FPO, it’s a high quality recap

[@Darb__]

I would like to see a day where we don't need every fairway lined with OB to make courses more challenging.

[@Davivd2]

Really? I honestly want to see more of it. Guys are throwing 13 to 15 under par at some of these tournaments. Personally I'd rather see a guy have to shape a shot because of OB than just crank a shot out 500 feet.

[@caseysmith544]

@@Davivd2 I think he means actually a Pro circuit where players do a shot shape based on the course itself, no longer these extremes of pinball disc golf woods courses or being where every hole is open needing OB on a course or some other kind of easy course where whole round looks like a mini golf course made bigger and for golf.

[@Darb__]

@@Davivd2 I'm with ya I don't want it made easier for the pros. My point was that courses are only made more difficult with OB and longer holes. I would just like to see pros challenged in different ways. I don't know the answer but if a course really needs OB all over it to make it difficult then i think its to easy for pros to begin with. I'm just not a fan of wide open courses in general so just my thought on it.

[@Davivd2]

@@caseysmith544 Yeah. Honestly, I prefer to play on, and watch more open courses. I don't enjoy playing plinko through a forest. I think that distance driving is becoming a real problem for pros VS regular people. If you up the distance requirements on courses, you discourage regular players from playing the game. If you have tight pinball courses, well that just sucks for pros and regular players.Just 5 years ago there were a hand full of pro's driving 500 feet and it was mind blowing. Now it seems like there are 20 guys throwing that far and every round has to be 10 under par or better to have a chance to win. I don't really see a solution for this that doesn't push away average players or turn disc golf into pinball.

[@raymondvorndran4306]

Way too many OB's.

[@michaelroush2433]

PDGA rule #810 : Interference C. A thrown disc that strikes a person or animal is played where it first comes to rest. E. A thrown disc whose course was intentionally altered by someone other than the thrower is given a position at the point of contact, as agreed on by the group. The thrower may choose to play from the resulting lie, or to abandon the throw without penalty, in which case the original throw is not counted in the player's score.

[@caseysmith544]

Tournament forced Garett Gerthie to use lie or take a penalty on rethrow when asked if he could re-throw because the Tournament director did not see this as intentional or accidental interference.

[@isaacghareeb6751]

No sir. It is bc the interference rule only applies to the 4 members of your card and caddies. Spotters and spectators are deemed part of the course

[@michaelroush2433]

@@isaacghareeb6751 then someone on the PDGA board should change the wording of this rule since I’ve met a lot of people that know about this rule and have taken advantage of it during tournaments.

[@ericvanbeek1711]

This right here. ULI even talked about this on Tour Life back after the tournament where the spotter in the lake caught an FPO disc. Think it was during the Texas swing. The TD was wrong in his interpretation. E says someone, not some other player. The decision to not move makes the interference intentional.

[@takeover302]

This is embarrassing after watching the euro tour.

[@price.gaines]

Okay so is everyone just ignoring Jakub Semerad’s ace? Is there literally no footage of it?

[@justramsay13]

No footage but they had five cameras on lead card while Semerad was acing…

[@ulrichvonstomp6031]

This channel....this channel...it both piss's me off and makes me go...Hell yeah! Keep it going! 😀

[@noahkoch7827]

No talk about semerad's ace on 7 in round 3? Ik there were a few other aces but an ace on the chase card plus it was before Buhr ran away with the lead. I can't find a single video either. Just kinda confused cause this is the closest I've watched a pro tournament before.

[@stephenfrancais]

That vanity license plate line was a good one

[@stonepalko9716]

Great to meet you guys

[@higgins4131]

If the spotter is OB and you hit the spotter, that's the risk you're taking by throwing on an OB line. If he hit the spotter who was standing in bounds and then disc settled OB, then he should get the disc at the spot where it hit the spotter.

[@Eidsheimen]

This ones on the spotter, he had about 10 seconds to move, instead he wanted that sick reddit jump over clip. Its unfortunate, but its definitely spotters fault

[@TheZamarriped]

Spotters are a part of the course. Your disc hits a spotter that was OB, that's on the thrower to take ownership and the consequence (whether it's a good or a bad one as a result). Those that don't like it, just stick to playing C-tiers, as most of those don't come with spotters volunteering to help and try to make a player's tournament experience smoother on the course.

[@jblps]

I love McBeth but that's so far out it's crazy people are calling it in

[@Chris.Davies]

0:57 - Clearly and obviously "surrounded by water". This is OB all day, every day. I'm a Rules Official, and TD.

[@pwebb34]

Also, if the Worlds courses have any tight woods I'd bet you anything Gannon will not win.

[@AmortizerYT]

Lol 😂 I hate that this channel keeps getting pushed on me. Appreciate the grind y’all do but everything is always negative. Or whiny. Ledgestone was awesome, “c-tier” is wild considering the purse and the fact that it was explained multiple times about using the white stakes for OB or being “surrounded by water” talking with many pros all I hear is how negative some of them are.

[@postjazz1258]

Imagine if a football team tried to argue they should be given the ball where they were gonna catch it because it hit the ref.

[@postjazz1258]

"And you know that guy is good for at least 6 yards after the catch so really we should have it on the 35"

[@RaleighRich]

Even though you dislike Innova. 4 Innova sponsored players almost made the top 10. Pretty impressive.

[@Pearhead4207]

it's Ledgestone, it's always something right down to the ob lines, signage, the weather ( can't control it) and the TD... They just keep trying to make it larger and larger and all it really does is leave them short handed on volunteers. Then things aren't ready to go in time! Bigger isn't always better. Time to scale it down IMO. MA40 had to play 2 new courses that imo have no business being in the course lineup. They weren't ready to play until the week/ just a few days before the tourney. Just because the Peoria area has a million courses doesn't mean they should use them all. It's sad to see what Ledgy has become. Remember the good ol days pre covid when you didn't need to buy a spectator pass. When the crowds were huge. Good times! Fishermen have rights too FYI! Legally they prob have more rights to be on that bank than those signed up to play. it's a public park and public waterway. Fish on!

[@coreyjansen9033]

Check out Schneider's Sweet Shop in Bellevue, Kentucky while your out by Idlewild. It's over by newport but it's a hidden gem.

[@ethanl4567]

Hole 3, 7, 9b and 11 are the only holes where the tee sign distance is clearly inaccurate. No way 15 is over 350.

[@ghostecho3189]

Freaking awesome content bro. Should have been watching your vids a long time ago. don’t know why I snoozed on your channel

[@KennyGriffin]

This video highlights why I unsubscribed a few months ago. It popped up on my home and figured I’d give it a try again. But nope, same junk.

[@sotello9171]

Agreed lmao

[@Slimeacation]

Womp womp

[@stevenjones253]

The downside of spotter or fan interference is that disc golf is an individual player sport and contact could immediately effect a players lie, final score, $ payout, DGPT standing and probably more.

[@daveyfadess]

Having the wrong information on a tee sign definitely shouldn't be allowed. It happens at my home course and it confuses me so I'm sure it's hard on a course you hardly play.

[@zaco_disc]

Surprised you guys did not address the course change on hole 13 at Sunset hills for Round 3 and 4. Also, why do you think they didn't offer alternate pin positions for FPO like they did with MPO? Interesting they didn't feel the need to differentiate the FPO layout like they did with MPO.

[@ericdavenport1530]

They couldn’t change the pins for FPO because MA1 was playing Sunset each day. Pins had to be the same because there were three MA1 pools and they started playing half an hour or so after lead card in FPO

[@zaco_disc]

@@ericdavenport1530they can for sure put in alt pins. At DGLO they change pins on several holes as the last FPO card finishes before the next MPO card comes around. Only difference is Sunset you can use carts and it would be easier to move around.

[@BIZARBIES]

It seems like pros are 10 ply.

[@Juliano_DJOL]

Benifit goes to the player and ob is how our court system is supposed to work in usa

[@carrionman6415]

Man that spotter is going to get some serious hate. Sometime people get excited and forget doing this kind of thing is like messing with someone's money. Can't be all cute trying to jump a roller. Sucks for double G and everyone involved.

[@TurtleSploodge]

I want to see Mcbeth win so bad lol.

[@impasta928]

i had to drop for life reasons, and the td said i would get a full refund due to the waitlist being full, on the monday of the tournament they emailed me again and said i would only get 25% or the player pack :(

[@robthaham3408]

FYI New London, the World's course, is going to be easier than normal. Ordinarily, it would be on par with NW Black for difficulty.

[@brunkobamzone2690]

Disc golf needs to get rid of it being ok to throw out of bounds on a par 3, then tap in your par putt from 15ft.

[@felmare101]

Nate Heinold thinks he's hot stuff

[@4201rwsj]

They were fishing 3 years ago too. Nothing new.

[@earthman808]

Another tourney with DGPT learning how to pee in the tall grass, and not doing so good.

[@Thisoneguy949]

Spotters need to pay attention and get the hell out of the way or find someone else to do it

[@seymourglass26]

Thank you for volunteering your time for a full 4-day period. I appreciate you helping out the game and contributing your time and energy to the sport.

[@MJVelpel]

Spotters are volunteers ( that means unpaid) in 90 degree heat all day. They are often older people, not 20 year old elite athletes. I respect the sport and wish the players had much larger purses and public acclaim but it ain’t Augusta National and Scottie. Maybe all spotters and fans could stay home and out of your way. Who is this “someone else to do it” (for free all day?).

[@Thisoneguy949]

Makes sense maby they need to be paid…i wont loose any sleep over it either way i barley play for fun just my 2 cents that im entitled too like everyone else

[@seymourglass26]

@@Thisoneguy949 Ah, so you're loud AND you don't contribute. We need more people like you, certainly.

[@Thisoneguy949]

Whos we?

[@LCHumor]

yikes...went to watch this with the kids...won't do that again...

[@air-wreck-ahapp-eel6325]

am world tee signs are wrong as well.

[@yojimboliferow]

ban that spotter for life

[@boomshocka1000]

But did you stop at Casey's for a slice of pizza?

[@Fleetwood719]

c tier?

[@Eric-tp4de]

Ahhh the drama queen page and their cult...

[@youropionmattersnot]

You're weird.

[@Davivd2]

I'm not excusing the spotter in any way. That was the dumbest thing that I've ever seen any spectator do at an event. But we don't need to try and make some rule for that. There will always be a way for stupidity to subvert the rules. What everyone seems to forget is that this was in out of bounds territory. If you are going to throw your disc out of the field of play, you have to live with the fact that anything can happen. If you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.

[@pwebb34]

Who in your video editing class told you flashing score graphics before the audience could even register them was a good idea? You guys need to iron this coverage out.

[@phins6272]

you just need to pause the video to look at the graphic. It's the same for when someone tacks in a screenshot of a tweet or long comment. just smack that pause button friend.

[@JeremiahBmayer]

Called out?

[@Luffy-344]

Should have ended the video at 6:13.

[@jtrompeter1986]

This channel should be called. Whiners and complainers r us. Scott stokely is right its an accident. In other sports when a team loses by a lot. We say. You put yourself there. Don’t get into the position and then complain. Stay in the middle middle of the fairway. All these people complaining and then they come back. Can we maybe get a thank you to nate who works his ass off each year to then be bashed in every corner. Id love to see him just tank the ledge stone and see how many complain it was their favorite.

[@trev3971]

Does he work his ass off, or does he sit in a position to do a tremendous amount of self-dealing?

[@jtrompeter1986]

@@trev3971 id say works his ass off. You ever try to run a tournament this big and have it go this well. Like seriously….. the little things always happen. Even in olympic events they have accidents. Nothing will ever be perfect and its not until you can accept things wont always be perfect that stuff and events will become more enjoyable.

[@trev3971]

@@jtrompeter1986 Obviously the stuff with the spotter isn't Nate's fault. What comes out of his mouth is his fault. He could run the best tournament on earth and I'd still want him far away from disc golf forever.

[@hpe340]

I tried to say what's up to you you just ignored me😂

[@4201rwsj]

Sounds like some crybabies. Seemed pretty obvious that disc was out! 😆🤦‍♂️

[@Davivd2]

I love Ledgestone but this year was a circus. 1) McBeth. The guy threw the disc in the water. To even contest it being in bounds is bad sportsmanship IMO. If you throw your disc in the water, you should just on your sense of fair play take the stroke. A very simple rule can fix this. "If your disc is touching water of a water hazard, you are out of bounds". It as simple as that. 2) The B placement on hole 17 was so small that players either parked it or threw out of bounds. It's already an island which is enough difficulty in and of itself. That needs to not happen again. 3) On the last day at hole 18 you had a spectator sitting under the gazebo which is directly in the flight path of the players T shots. Why is this even allowed to happen? 4) The spotter in 16 is just inexcusable. You can make a rule to try and counter that if you want to, but someone will always find a way to do something stupid like that. "Never underestimate the ingenuity of fools". Just tell spotters: "Run out of the path of the oncoming disc. Don't try to out run it. Don't try to jump over it. Just get out of it's path". 5) The distances being wrong. How do you even? The little city park golf course that I play at, with 200 foot max holes managed to measure out the distance, put up a sign, and even have a graphic of the hole on the sign. I don't even know how this is even an issue on a course like this. Imagine going to Fenway park and the basses are in the wrong spot and the umpires just tell the teams to play on. I get it that pro disc golf is still more of a game than a highly regulated pro sport. I enjoy that about it and I don't want it to change. But man all of the things I mentioned above are just really easy fixes that haven't been implemented due to negligence.

[@Luffy-344]

Pro disc golf lacks professionalism worse than 16's spotter lacked common sense.

[@MJVelpel]

4) Spotters are VOLUNTEERS and usually older people trying to help out , not 20 year old gymnasts. They could all stay home from the 90 degree heat. In the GG incident the spotter did act weird, I agree.

[@beansontopofbeans]

McBeth is a crybaby.. That was out.. disc was completely surrounded by water. What a bum

[@NateUpNorth]

Still so confused about this whole account , you guys make a bunch of controversy vids but then your reels is disc golf Jesus , where the hell is that guy at

[@bowmoneydrums]

paul, if i dropped your phone where your lie is, would you say i dropped it in the lake? get a life, that's out, it's in the lake, be on the grass instead haha

[@timl1304]

Wasted my money twice goin to this shit show terrible experience both times. Would rather play a local c tier. with the fortune they pissed away in the beginning yrs on rope. Paint is pretty cheap.

[@randgray8122]

Have you bought paint lately..?

[@MJVelpel]

Get your own ass out there with a bucket and brush. Problem solved, just volunteer.

[@IanTemchin]

first

[@kitpalencar5165]

i got chu with second, bro. nice first!

[@waynebryant1857]

You’re both lame.

[@harryteevee9569]

OUT

[@brianbailey9080]

Nate Heinhold that’s all you have to say…

[@Eatabagofahunniddicks]

Stop calling it disc golf if you can’t make the disc in the basket from the top of the cage like a hole . Makes no fucking sense

[@waynebryant1857]

Not the brightest bulb on the tree,are you?

[@marnoster]

The guy calling Buhr lucky is probably rated 700, regularly beats his little 9 year old nephew and now thinks he’s the business Easy there buddy

[@MJVelpel]

@@marnoster He won by 7 but they call that “lucky”.

[@CharlesJWillard]

Ummm..... the spotter made contact with the disc when he was out of bounds. IMHO, that settles the issue, and the call was correct. It should be played just like it hit a tree or anything else. If you throw a roller and it goes out of bounds and hits something, that's the chance you take.

[@trev3971]

I'd agree if he hadn't actively jumped into the path of the disc. I think it should be a re-tee via 810.E.

[@CharlesJWillard]

@@trev3971 hey, there's a thread further down that discusses this issue. If you can find time to read it, let me know what you think 🤔.

[@brooksy3069]

if you made a compilation of ian anderson commentary mistakes from just one tournament, it'd be a ten minute video, he is the worst thing to ever happen to live disc golf, and ian anderson is holding our sport back

[@ajoh199]

To much inflection in your voice to hard to listen with headphones I'm out

[@kitpalencar5165]

second

[@bdog404]

How about keep your disc in bounds? I don’t think people should complain about stuff that happens out of bounds, especially with a hope and a prayer shot like a roller.

[@toddpool8884]

Ledgestone is just a money grab by nate and friends.

[@ItsMe-xm2nn]

Posting the winner 8 hours jomez released coverage is atrocious.

[@stmn346]

Buhr is the worst. I’d be impressed if he literally started acting professional and win another one. The PDGA is pushing him so hard for the younger generation it’s gotten disgusting really. Notice his gang was on the card and they just happened to not play well… If he shows up professionally without making tons of dumb videos, and wins World’s, I might change my mind.

[@youropionmattersnot]

You forgot to mention the moon landing was fake and the earth is flat.

[@stmn346]

@@youropionmattersnot dammit. Sorry

[@matthewbuchanan7419]

@stmn346 How drunk were you when you wrote this? None of it makes any sense. What a weirdo...

[@jimdietrick1681]

Mistakes happen. There's NOTHING nefarious about what happened. Let's move on and have fun.