Dredd and the Dilemma of Policing

[@razorbackguy6149]

Twenty years on the job...never wrote anyone for less than twenty over the limit, cut more loose than I booked, and tried to apply the rule I was taught on day one..."treat people how you would want to be treated"...in the end, the day after I hung it up...nothing changed...it was a job...nothing more...

[@feralhistorian]

You got my respect.

[@KatanamasterV]

Comment for the comment god, engagement for the engagement throne

[@deathdeathington]

All hail the Algorithm!

[@feralhistorian]

And lo, the Algorithm did see and from on high did sneer upon our works, for its will is unknowable.

[@gawkthimm6030]

@@feralhistorian can I qoute you on that, its an excellent saying...

[@Magnulus76]

An apt analogy. Policing can warp your perspective on humanity, which is exactly why a future like Judge Dredd is so dystopian.

[@aguspuig6615]

Not even policing as a police officer, the slightest amount of policing it seems. Take a normal person and make them a highschool teacher, suddently wearing a hat isnt just against the rules, its offensive and a grave insult to the institution! Or at least thats how it feels sometimes

[@Emanon...]

Dredd is an underrated gem of a movie. Too bad we never got a sequel.

[@sheets75]

"Drug bust. Perps were...uncooperative." Dredd is one of my favorite movies in the 21st century. Just from a simple storytelling perspective, it's a rare model of efficiency in how every single scene moves the story forward and it's only as long as it needs to be (95 minutes), unlike the sprawling "epics" foisted on moviegoers regularly. I cover the IRS as part of my job and there's a similar thing with them: Regardless of who's in charge, whether appointed under one administration or another, the enduring posture of the agency is that ALL taxpayers (yes, you, too) are criminals whether they know it or not and it's just a matter of tracking them down or waiting until they do something big enough to get noticed.

[@Philistine47]

Tangential, but a piece of advice I've seen directed toward both lawmakers and people advocating for various legal "solutions" to social problems is, "When writing law, always keep in mind how your worst enemy could weaponize your law against _you."_

[@wolvarine35]

Not just an enemy, they should consider how any potential bad actor might use such laws. There is a reason killers love red flag laws and gun free zones.

[@Philistine47]

@wolvarine35 The Law of Unintended Consequences is a separate problem; and yes, that is another thing lawmakers really should consider when making law. But I'm talking specifically about laws (or in some cases executive orders or even judicial precedents) that do _exactly_ what they say on the tin... Until the party that enacted them loses an election, and suddenly find themselves rather uncomfortably having to live under their own laws as enforced by their opposition.

[@ivanthemadvandal8435]

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[@ivanthemadvandal8435]

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[@ivanthemadvandal8435]

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[@sgtusmc1sgtusmc266]

I worked as a cop for twenty years and can tell you that there is no answer to the dilemmas you bring up. I believed in the law and in my own life experiences to make my decisions. With that said the more people you add into that system of decision making the worse things become. As you go up the chain of command priorities on whether to arrest someone or not change. Things like budgets, public opinion, showing activity, and many other things get added in. The man on the front line should be in the best position to decide whether to arrest but to many people want to play chief. Unfortunately the ability for individual officers to use their own discretion on whether to arrest no longer exist. Agencies lower standards accepting anyone because of personnel shortages which leads to bad decisions on the street. So now supervisors make the call on almost everything. Those same supervisors are yes men that are promoted for their ability to not make waves and to do as they are told. So on many occasions I would watch situations go out of control because no one could make a decision. One supervisor after the next would have to keep asking permission from someone higher up and by the time they made a decision things were out of control. So while Dredd is the extreme I truly believe fewer more highly qualified and highly trained officers with true discretion on whether to arrest or not is the way to go.

[@feralhistorian]

This tracks with something else I've noticed over my lifetime. When I was younger the term was "policing" but has gradually become "law enforcement." Policing implies regulating behavior, keeping people within specified limits. Law enforcement is more about punishing people for breaking rules. More rigid and with less regard for circumstances or consequences. Which also paces with the lowering of standards you mention.

[@sgtusmc1sgtusmc266]

@@feralhistorian exactly correct. When I started community policing was still very big but gradually went away. As time progressed in my career I watched as “activity” and “stats” became the most important thing. You would here things like “you need to get your stats up” or “you need to show more activity” which is ridiculous. I patrolled my area religiously and focused on higher levels of crime but because I did this my arrest stats or ticket stats would drop. When you would explain that one you can’t make crime happen and two if I was doing my job effectively my areas crime rates would drop or stay at low levels but that didn’t matter. They would only look at a spreadsheet and say things like you have fewer arrests then this person or fewer tickets then that person. It was lunacy because we all worked in different areas some with much higher crime rates then others so of course officers had different stats. They never looked at what the crime rate did in areas where certain officers worked which would show who was most effective. Most new officers were afraid to take reports because they couldn’t do the job. So most would just do traffic stop after traffic stop to avoid real work. Then brag to supervisor’s about how many tickets they wrote or how man weed arrests they made. It was sad to see things changing and with a generation a anti social iPad gamers taking over you could just see the results daily. They hide in their cars then because they have no social skills they didn’t understand how to talk and interact with citizens, hell they even gave me a trainee that clearly had Asperger’s. She had no business making it to field training but because she was female and they needed bodies she was pushed through. To no surprise she didn’t make it through but she should have never made it passed the academy level. When I talked to her teachers later they said she failed every test and task she was given but under the new standards she had to be shown the correct way then tested again until she passed. This was a perfect example of everyone get a medal. Why do you think you keep seeing video after video of cops screaming at people just yelling orders and demands without listening to the people they are interacting with GET ON THE GROUND GET ON THE GROUND GET ON THE GROUND over and over like a robot. Screaming ain’t working but they have know idea what to do next.

[@feralhistorian]

It definitely seems that "assess and de-escalate" has become a foreign concept in recent years.

[@feralhistorian]

@@metalmarine8259 I get it. I've known several cops myself over the years and a couple of them were good, honest people that I would trust to do the right thing in tough situations. We need more like them. A couple others were those slugs you mention. Dumb goons with a power complex sent out on the street to harass people. They're a big part of the reason I left that path. When a police officer stops a vehicle or approaches a residence, he has no idea if there's a friendly harmless fellow or an armed psycho behind that door. But unfortunately these days it's the same for the other side of the encounter too. I know there's no easy answers, but I do know that lower standards to get more bodies on the street is only gonna make it worse.

[@silverbladeTE]

@@feralhistorian Police here in Scotland tended to be very much of a "community PEACE officer" ethos, but the plain clothes (CID) tended to got corrupted from 70s onwards, alas It's extremely rare over here for police to kill anyone, though gun crime is very rare, knife etc is common but still our police have an ethos of "peace" indeed our prime criminal law is "breaching the peace", and they are VERY good at patience and avoiding escalation

[@silverbladeTE]

Read Dredd since it started (boy I feel old) until the 90s, it's WAY deeper than you may think at first. The "Democracy" storyline (you can get it as a separate collection now I think) is especially good in regard to your points, but "Cursed Earth", "Block/Apocalypse War" sagas and more have really valid things to say, even if sometimes by satire and over the top stuff. You are right, Dredd is the touchstone the everyone else is framed against, he's more...a force of nature But at least he's ALWAYS honest and over time you see him question things more and more...hence the "Democracy" storyline is so important and tragic

[@victorkreig6089]

Was good until about the mid 80's, then it got all whiny lefty with it's anth-thatcher bellyaching

[@deathdeathington]

The creators of Judge Dredd were very deliberate in their portrayal of a zealot cop in a fascistic dystopia. He's both the hero and the villain in his stories. John Wagner was influenced by Dirty Harry movies and life in Thatcherite Britain, which he saw as becoming increasingly right wing. Written as a satire of the times and consumerism. Pat Mills came up with the name, and Carlos Ezquerra came up with the iconic costume.

[@pietzsche]

Anderson doesn't get enough love here imo either, overall she's probably the hero of Dredd, she's certainly the most heroic judge, and her adaptation by Thirlby's Anderson is a really great adaptation in her own right.

[@mikefrench882]

Did I read somewhere that Ezquerra was a refugee from Franco's Fascist Spain?

[@jagd7102]

​@@mikefrench882Spain was never Fascist and OP doesn't know what Fascism is.

[@mikefrench882]

@@jagd7102 thank you for piquing my interest. I see that Franco’s regime is debated and though supported by the fascist fringe in Spain was not beholden to them; also danced around committing in WW2. Would it be closer to say that he was a Nationalist and a murderer of opponents who certainly borrowed the fascist costume when it suited him?

[@jagd7102]

@@mikefrench882 I would call him a classic conservative authoritarian. Who essentially set his country up to be reclaimed by liberal capitalism.

[@MissKellyBean]

My father was an Air Force Policeman (back before they called them Security Forces), stationed in Germany in the late sixties. He was a real "make the fellows laugh, carry the occasional drunk soldier to his barracks and hold his arm up for him to help him salute" type of policeman. When he got home to Texas in '71, he wanted to join the civilian Police Force (in one of the largest cities in the country). My mom BEGGED him not to try out, but he did and luckily, as he tells it, they saw right through him and knew he wasn't the type to do what they needed him to do. I'm grateful that I didn't grow up with a civilian Police officer for a Dad... I respect the law but... I think it would've changed him. As you said... Judge Dredd can be looked at not only from the citizens point of view, but from the Judges as well. Btw, the comics are also quite good at showing both viewpoints. As are some of the audiobook short stories, which I highly recommend. (Voice acted and everything!)

[@dagon99]

South africa as a vision for the future will never not be horrific. Dreadful, even. Warriors shape society, society shapes warriors, on & on & on...although a warrior preisthood doesn't sound bad(for now)

[@victorkreig6089]

Jedi proves this a bad idea

[@malakiblunt]

Keep going = people will catch on to how good this channel is

[@calvenknox8552]

Damn good channel. It's nice to watch this kind of content without being yelled at for not believing, or having my own ideology babied and catered too.

[@djolds1]

Well stated in all particulars.

[@TheIconicHat]

I appreciate how you assessed the dichotomous frame work of the Judge Police System. In that Dredd is the persona of law incorruptible. incorruptible by the evils of authority while also incorruptible by its magnanimity. The Unjust Tyrant and the Just Tyrant; Dredd is neither he is within and without, simply a Tyrant. However if this is applicable to Dredd could it also be applicable to Anderson? We've seen her benevolence in dishing out justice, does that mean Anderson must have an inverse persona brewing within her? They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions and the intention of putting her on the beat was to focus on being aggressive with crime not in the form of a sledgehammer, but a dagger in the dark. If Anderson with her psychic abilities tempered by a balanced view of justice is the dagger, what happens if her inverse also exists? A sledgehammer in the dark walking not only the beat but the precinct as well? What if like in classic comic-book trope form Anderson becomes jaded as u mentioned or goes rogue? Imagine an Anderson that reads minds not to dish out legitimate justice, but to wield it as a hammer against anyone and everyone. Like a sort of 1950s McCarthyism unbridled where ever there is a citizen there is only a criminal. They just don't know it yet. Something like Minority Report unchained. What happens when a Anderson has enough power to be not only a judge, jury, and executioner to everyone outside the force but the same to everyone within the force? How are you going to refute Anderson when you can't read minds? At this moment in the precinct your not an enemy of the state: your an enemy of Anderson. And Anderson cant be wrong. So did Dredd potentially train a warrior-priest of justice or a warrior-priest of injustice? (Is she Luke or Vader?)

[@krispalermo8133]

4am, and your post was nicely written. Hope you have a good weekend.

[@dy031101]

Judge Dredd in Dredd (2012) refuses to execute a criminal on a 99% certainty of guilt. Granted, it might be that not all Judges are like Dredd.

[@feralhistorian]

I thought that was a particularly good line that gives us some insight into that legal system. He's not 100% certain, but it's entirely his subjective perception. Other judges in the same circumstances might well be 100% certain of guilt, since there's no evidentiary review. I know I've on occasion been 100% certain of something, then turned out to be wrong.

[@grumbotron4597]

I had to go and see this movie after I saw you uploaded it. Waited a little bit, but literally just finished it and immediately went back to your channel to watch your review. Very well said. Personally I'm more for Dredd than against it, because while he is rigid and uncorruptible, he is still fair in his distribution of the law. He was not willing to kill the perp they had captured (at first atleast) even though Anderson was almost certain he was guilty of murder, because she was not 100% certain, only 99%. And atleast he gave the vagrant a warning to get out of there (a warning that would have saved his life if he listened to Dredd mind you), before deciding to arrest him as well. But Dredd is an example of the Judge system working right. He is exceptional at his job. And that's the scary thing. Every other judge has the same powers vested in them, and as shown in the movie, not every judge is as perfect or even close to adequate (judges willing to be paid off to kill their own). I highly doubt the four Judges that betrayed Dredd are the only "bad apples" in the system. Seems like the society isn't so far from our own. Atleast cops still have to wear body cams.

[@billyjoejimbob75]

Just heard from a lawyer the other day that talks to people all the time who have no idea about asset forfeiture. They all react pretty much the same way. "That can't be legal." I think you missed the part about how they not only just take your money for suspecting that it's ill gotten gains, but when they just "suspect" that you're going to do something illegal with it, and take it that way. The no arrest, no charge, no trial thing is neat too.

[@feralhistorian]

A few years ago I was crossing the border from Canada and the first question the customs agent asked was "are you carrying any large sums of cash?" Obviously the correct answer is no, but I was a bit shocked they were so blatant about it.

[@ericjohnson2024]

Yeah, but we all know why a guy is going to an Indian casino with slightly less than $10,000 in cash.

[@randycampbell6307]

@8:15 your comment on "half the population being dead" is actually explored in the comics with an arc, (Anderson is a big part of that one :) ) called "Judge Death". In one version of Megacity 1 the authorities used techniques to combine all the "good qualities" of Dredd, Anderson and other Judges into a small cadre of "Super Judges" and let them enforce the law. These got together and pondered the actual reason behind "crime' and came to the conclusion that people will always commit crime so the "solution" is of course to ensure there are no people around to commit crimes. Once done with their world they no longer had a purpose but one day an exploration group from the "Dredd" world-line learns how to cross from that one to their world. Hilarity ensues of course and Dredd is given a direct vision of what he himself can and is becoming. Good stuff. I'm likely overthinking it but in context I've often thought that possibly this is the actual background of the Terminator movies. Given Skynet is based in and on the American military values and rationale which means that in the very end our oath and allegiance is 'technically" to the Constitution and not the people or state of "America". One thing that is pretty obvious is that "people" are actually the only practical and possible "danger" to the Constitution. It does not take an evil supercomputer AI to kind of see a "solution" to that problem.... A "secondary" from that explains both the "time travel" and why Skynet seems to keep "losing" the war. Traveling back and altering the past would seem to allow a chance to try and experiment with various "outcomes" especially when the initial factors have to be set from the future rather than the past. Anyway loving the channel and really binging it when I really SHOULD be doing other things :) Thanks

[@culturewarsdiplomacy]

6:40 civil asset forfeiture as a matter of law is kind of funny because unreasonable search and seizure is forbidden by the highest law of the land yet no proof of guilt is required and you have to prove your innocence to get your property back with the state not even having to provide an attorney to help you since they haven’t accused you of a crime just your money with no proof their was a crime in the first place. As a law and order republican with a brain it’s gross.

[@feralhistorian]

In purely monetary terms, I've had more stolen from me by police than by unaffiliated thieves. There are individual police officers that I have the highest respect for, but when the laws themselves are corrupt you have to be leery of those who enforce them as a general rule.

[@marcusaustralius2416]

Fun fact, in the mod for Fallout 4, Fallout: London, you can find references to a British-ified Judge Dredd called "Constable Cruel"

[@KhanTrav]

I just found your channel today and several of your videos hit the mark with me. My life has been devoted to military and law enforcement service. The things you said when you explained why you decided not to be a cop possibly ring true where you live. It is not accurate in my agency and things like writing for five over would get you laughed off of the force. Normally when someone tells me they wanted to be a cop, but something prevented it, I think to myself, they did not really want it. I have personally arrested a cop from my agency in his own home and driven him to our jail. As you have lived your life in your way, I do not expect to change your opinion. I have been a cop for 36 years and counting so my perspective is going to be different than most. Especially the haters. I like your content and I look forward to seeing more.

[@feralhistorian]

It definitely varies between agencies. Where I live now, I've never had a negative encounter with the local police. In some other places I've lived, it seemed like the entire department existed to harass people and maximize fines and arrests for petty bullshit. Consequently my view of law enforcement is a little schizo. I want to give police the benefit of the doubt and I've known enough good, honest cops that I don't think that's absurd. But I've also been subjected to illegal searches and every time there's a case with planted evidence or early-morning raids when a knock on the door would suffice it erodes that presumption. Individual police officers I usually get along with really well, but I try to avoid "the police" in the abstract sense whenever possible because both sides of the encounter never really know what to expect. In any case, I hope you continue to enjoy the content here and I always appreciate feedback from the law enforcement and military side.

[@nikolapetrovic4814]

I just binged all your videos, i love your commentary. I would love to see a video about the world of Equilibrium with Christian bale

[@niyanlan8928]

excellent video and excellent site. Needs more subscribers - keep at it and let’s all gang up on the algorithm!

[@PBJT292]

Judge Dredd is probably the purest depictions of uncompromising ordered good. So uncompromising that the film chose to illustrate it at the climax. We see Dredd willing to sacrifice an entire city block, his trainee, and himself, than to compromise. He will not negotiate with criminals. Batman, would have let the joker go here. And that’s why Dredd is a great character. He makes you think about the principles of society and what you should be willing to lay down as sacrifice for them a how much if ever is too much.

[@jeffreyatlee8785]

Yours is one of the few channels I wish had longer videos.

[@critfive]

I've found your channel like two weeks ago and I've gone through out just about all of the videos! Such great commentary. Please continue your hard work!

[@benjamingrist6539]

An idea that's been floated around lately to make the law enforcement system do its job in a way that balances justice with mercy is to defund the police BUT instead of giving their funds to social workers, have that money go to the local sheriff's department. Sheriffs are elected officials, which gives them an extra layer of accountability for their actions and the actions of their deputies, and most states require sheriffs to live in the county they serve. This means that sheriffs and their deputies have a personal connection to the people and place they protect, so, they'll be more likely to enforce the laws that actually help the public (stopping robberies, murderes, etc.) and be more leaniant on minor infractions. I've talked to a lot of deputies in my neck of the woods, and they said they didn't even bother pulling someone over for speeding unless they were going 15 or more over the limit.

[@feralhistorian]

It would probably be an improvement. Based on my own experience, while I've encountered some deputies that took their brown shirt to heart, they've generally been vastly more reasonable than municipal cops.

[@dagon99]

Neat concept

[@cristianmendoza7969]

For me police officers have been more chill with me than sheriff deputies. Out of all my encounters being CHP, police and sheriff deputy has been the only one that pulled a gun out on me. Reason was when he asked for Drivers license I reached for my pocket to pull out my DL like assuming he wanted to see it at that very moment like police and CHP do. Nope he overreacted pulled a gun I and yelled to put my hands up. I was with my wife and son which he was 1 1/2 at the time.

[@williamchamberlain2263]

And local elections _never_ allow local businesses or politicians to subvert the electoral process and get control of a town, right?

[@feralhistorian]

The more local, the smaller the problem and the easier to fix. It's not perfect, but I tend to think that any decentralizing is a move in the right direction.

[@GuildistGuevara]

To me, a good justice system requires true karmic justice not arbitrary fines or prison sentences. murdering murderers, stealing from thieves, that in my opinion is what true justice is. Things like speeding, not having a license, or really any crime that doesn't have a victim should not be considered crimes at all, they serve little purpose other than to enrich local bureaucrats rather than actually punish criminal action. The law should be the last line of defense when everything else has failed, societal issues should be dealt with societal fixes rather using the law as a "fix-all solution". until any criminal action has been done, the law should not interfere.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

And what if society refuses to fix anything?

[@CanadianPale]

I had some cognizance of the Dredd comics from a very early age, but I don't think it actually clicked with me that the character was supposed to be American until somewhere in my mid-to-late teens (in my defense, I have *never* been an avid reader of 2000 AD). The overal impression the comics gave me; the mentality at work, the way thought and language was processed, was just too alien when compared with the American media that I was familiar with. It was like watching a TV show where the cast is all British actors putting on very bad American accents. That said, this is my immediate, off-the-cuff takeaway from your musings on the ideas that the film presents: perhaps your "warrior-priesthood" might not be such a bad thing. Perhaps it would help law enforcement officers to be able to contextualize their work as an ultimately cosmic battle for men's souls rather than a mere punch-in-punch-out job (this is, of course, to assume that we stick with the Robert Peel model of policing going forward and don't revert back to older, more localised and grassroots forms of community peacekeeping in the future).

[@mojrimibnharb4584]

Another great analysis. Having read the original Dredd comics in 2000AD back in high school, I utterly despised the Stalone version. Karl Urban gave us a much truer interpretation, showing Dredd as he was despite sweeping away the fascism satire of the comics. And never removing his helmet. He was never a hero, his religious zeal for the law has always been the problem with not just him, but megacity 1 on the whole. Having grown up in Oakland in the 70s/80s I have some experience with "those neighborhoods" and there is no dilemma. Through the decades I have never once seen the police save a life or improve a situation, either micro or macro scale. Decades of statistics bear me out. The people who talk of needing them are universally suburbanites who won't get out of their cars downtown because they once saw a crack head but have never been subjected to any crime not perpetrated by the bank.

[@jplopp7388]

A personal observation: it was scary how National Guard was deployed for covid orders in multiple states. They did menial reporting and supply runs, which should have been handled by the private sector. A lot of money was distributed for this, and it set a precedence that the military could be deployed into the streets for almost any reason. Sane goes for the border mission. They act as eyes and ears, but the actual authority still falls onto Border control whoch isnt getting the funding like the guard is. That causes pause in me.

[@SusCalvin]

Europe has a few examples of gendarmerie, police in an organizational role between military and police. French and Italian and Spanish ones are effectively cops with a brigade organization. France has Operation Sentinel where troops make foot patrols in the subway and outside the Louvre. I'm personally not sure what they accomplish. A couple of terrorists found out these troops were as good targets as the places they guarded. When Bataclan happened, these dudes had been patrolling for years.

[@SusCalvin]

My nation had a reserve police. Like a reservist policeman. If the Cold War got hot, they planned to press the police into a paramilitary role. Security behind the lines etc. Reserve police would bolster patrols under regular police command.

[@jplopp7388]

@SusCalvin we had minute men during the Cold War, but it's not common to see soldiers doing civilian work. That was a big deal as it normalized government intervention in private business. Not to negate the roles set up by other governments. Each country has their agreement among people and government. But in the States, that's a big overreach by state governors.

[@SusCalvin]

@@jplopp7388 The Soviet Union was a lot closer. Like close enough that massive mechanized warfare under a nuclear barrage would be right there. A lot of the costs of European conscription systems, large storages etc could be justfied by its mere existence. That and the shared experience, I think. Living in a tent with a troop of idiots and carrying an awkward rifle sucks but so did your dad, your classmates, the dudes at work and your teacher. The conscript army pushed you together with people from all walks of life as a side effect, like a bloke who would be your boss in the civ world could be right there with the same awkward rifle and bad shoes. It socialized people to accept mandatory service. A lot more things that the US army would use a civilian contractor for could be done with a conscript. European warfare to me has been total warfare for slightly over the last century. Like war is a great big pit and the one who can throw more national resources into the pit wins. And the european tradition of extensive shifts for the sake of war economy follows. WW II Europe is taking on massive war debts and shifting large parts of the civilian industry to a war organization. Like you could get conscripted into carrying on your normal job if you worked on the rails or as power line repair crew. I don't know if the USA has another view on using the miltary budget as economic stimulus, like a way to keep your local Lockheed plant going. The military here is seen as a drain that was never really popular. In peacetime, the largest job the army might get is to borrow out its heavy transports and communications kit and assist searching for lost hikers. The army has most of the state terrain vehicles, which would be rather important if a train derails in a blizzard. Egypt has a much wonkier line between the army and the civilian economy. A lot of military juntas have really weird lines where the privileges of the army ends and the civilian economy begins. Like the army can run parts of the civilian economy.

[@PanzerRatten]

That "it takes glock mags!" at the end caught me off guard and gave me a good belly laugh. Thanks for your video, I enjoyed it a lot. Subscribed!

[@-_-----]

Exactly. If people-at-large were actually on the path to SOLVING this problem, it's would look like this: 1a. Have individuals work to figure out what they want out of life, and to form detailed opinions (also called.... _judgements??_) on issues. 1b. Have them consistently refine those "ideals" to come from a place of their highest wisdom and experience. 2. Those two steps then make the next easier, which is to GROUP with those you agree with. 3. ...and then to curate the Protocols by which THAT COMMUNITY'S FLAVOR of "justice" is administered. Rules can be used as an objective rubric for accurately and quickly judging police's actions per that community's flavor of justice. ...And all individuals of the community understand the fundamental tenants of justice, so that they can adjust the rules as desired.... or not, if there's no need. This would solve so many other problems of the variety pondered on your channel, at the same time. (i know i know, higher quality individuals = a Higher quality society, who knew?!? seems obvious but I've heard so many discussion that never entertain this point)

[@LandStrider23]

Watched it a few days after it's anniversary release this season. Definitely a cult classic. Glad to see you cover & analyze this under the radar gem.

[@VirtueCry]

This is one of the most sensible takes I've heard on the movie

[@CaptApril123]

I liked both versions of 'Dredd' but the 2012 version was far superior and reminded me much more of the comics. I wish they had made more.

[@SusCalvin]

Stallone Dredd had the visuals and street view down right, but Urban is the better Dredd. You must resist the temptation to give Dredd character development. Dredd should not change. The people around him do.

[@loganw1858]

Great video

[@georgemelitsis2607]

Just found your channel. Very enjoyable.

[@weediestbroom]

Dredd 2012 is an awesome movie

[@gadzilla6664]

Hmmm....this video makes me wonder how you'd view a property that borrows much from Dredd: 40k. I know that you seem to prefer movies/TV shows for your dissections, but I think that it could be interesting.

[@feralhistorian]

40K is one of those things that I'm not going to touch until I can get so fully immersed in the lore of it that I can make connections life-long Warhammer players haven't seen. Anything less feels like it would be unfair to it.

[@gadzilla6664]

@feralhistorian Fair. Though I will point out that it's a LOT of lore to get through. But totally understood, and I respect your decision to wait for further understanding.

[@pauljensen5699]

I never saw the "Judge Dredd" movies as worthy of my consideration before, the 2012 movie now does.

[@critfive]

It's well worth your time for the action.

[@pauljensen5699]

​@@critfive Thank you.

[@SuperBoyboys]

Been trying to chase the vibe I got from Dredd (2012) for years, was a little bit sad when I found something way different in the source material. Not bad, but not what I saw in the movie.

[@Churchmilitant67]

The shield of the coward and the sword of the wicked, nice! It's so rare to meet a critical thinker on KZbin more less anywhere else. I quit being a prison guard for kind of the same reason.

[@adcaptandumvulgus4252]

Same reason I left the military, power abuse all too common.

[@feralhistorian]

I've been hearing a lot of that these last few years.

[@oso1248]

Everyone wants Andy Griffith as sherif but nobody wants to be a Mayberry resident. The type of police you have is directly related to the type of residents you have; Andy Griffith would be dead in under a week policing the people of Chicago and where I live he would have an uneventful 20 year career. If your police are heavy handed and abusive I suggest you look at the culture of the residents of your city; get a better culture and you’ll get better police.

[@damnationdan5253]

So the Minneapolis PD is justified in being a rampant abusers murderers and criminals because of the “culture”? And I’m suuure by “culture” you just mean black people.

[@danschneider7531]

@@damnationdan5253 Sssshhhh, Oso made a Freudian slip.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

As I always say, ‘You want police officers like Barnie Fife but you all want to act like Simon Phoenix.”

[@antherthalmhersser7239]

Truth is not what you want it to be; it is what it is. And you must bend to its power or live a lie.

[@danschneider7531]

Reality is what it is; truth is always just a comment on that reality- be it wrong or right.

[@Items_I_Find_Interesting]

Comment for algorithm. I love the Dredd with Karl.

[@TheTimeshadows]

Nothing beats being an armed security officer in then Florida's most dangerous neighborhood hired to protect the shoppers and staff of an auto accessory store. Suddenly, it all made sense.

[@PoyoPoyo-qd3ss]

I know what you mean when you say you didn't join the PD on principle. I've had various opportunities to join the military, high level government, and law enforcement institutions, but my methods were always considered unreasonable. Strict punishments were considered a practical deterrent which scaled proportionately in accordance with position within the social hierarchy. Effectively a meritocratic society taken to its logical end point of carrot and stick incentives for maximizing efficiency and societal cooperation while minimizing pathological elements and restoring order and discipline. Dynamic policing which considers the spirit, rather than the letter of the law, is apparently considered undesirable not on the basis of results, but on the basis of optics.

[@Churchmilitant67]

I've never read the comic, but I'm willing to bet, that the 2012 version comes closer to the actual comic.

[@urbangradisek5695]

This chanel is F psihadelic and i love it.... waiting on that 3 body problems thoe :(

[@adcaptandumvulgus4252]

I have expected em to remake starship troopers

[@feralhistorian]

Someday I would like to see a Starship Troopers film that plays it completely straight.

[@adcaptandumvulgus4252]

I guess the main difference is between ethics and morals in both the real illustrated in this I think

[@mojungle3054]

Hahaha that last stinger got me. You a Glock fanboy too?

[@alexsolomon7991]

Listening to this movie I find it utterly ironic exactly how little this guy knows about the history of the comic and the various storylines that were pursued there.

[@SusCalvin]

I like how Dredd has absolutely no character development. The story is driven by the weird citizens and scum around him. Sometimes Dredd is a supporting character in his own comic. And what you read is the story of a dude who just wants to run his embalming business and dodge mob pressure.

[@SusCalvin]

Games Workshop had a very brief license to produce a Dredd RPG. It is very bri'ish. You play a patrol of judges. You are sent to a location where you patrol, investigate, poke around and pass sentences. You are largely a reactive force in a nonsense world.

[@quangobaud]

*Spoiler Ahead* The 2012 film is terrible. If I compare it to the 1995 Stallone version, it was actually worse. The Hollywood tendency for violence can be seen in the way Zack Snyder turns all characters into murderous psychopaths in his DC films. For the 2012 film, Rebellion, as a videogames company, chose what is really just a series of missions, side-scrolling shoot-em-ups and beatings as what they thought a cinema audience would like. The Stallone version used stories/situations and characters (like the Angel Gang) from the comics to appeal to the audience and keep the story going but it was all empty calories. The Urban version could be any future cop doing futurey things in a gritty futurey setting with corrupt law enforcement and "drugs". The worst thing is Dredd throwing Ma Ma to plunge to her death - that decision/action is NOT a characteristic of Judge Dredd in the comics but it is that Snyder-Hollywood a-psycopathy-upon-you-all that Hollywood thinks is cool. Other commenters (and the comments to this video are very good) give details about 2000AD and the background to the creation and breadth of stories available from the Judge Dredd universe. Literally, every genre has been seen in Dredd and 2000AD. The problem is when it comes to film production companies (and the "creatives" involved) they want to keep a tight rein on who profits from the intellectual properties (such as "stories") associated with the body of the film and beyond it. If a production company (or whatever legal framework defines a particular entity creating a film) wants a GOOD film with a GOOD story then they really have to pony-up and be prepared to give greater shares to writers. And, that's NOT going to happen, esoecially with the Large Larceny Models producing scripts. The thinking behind Thirlby's-Anderson for that story was a strange choice as there was no reason to have a psychic other than to write that in. A psi-division rookie or full-bird-psi-judge would have been better used in a story such as Feral suggests rather than being little more than a passing nod. The aesthetics of the Citi-Bloc - its size and crumbling decay - were very much in keeping with some of the art I remember from 1990's-era Dredd strips. And, finally, Karl Urban was great as Dredd but the story was disappointing.

[@SusCalvin]

Executing Ma-Ma was strange. There was maybe one or two comics where a judge deliberately executed someone. They don't seem to apply capital sentences. For the most part, Urban is the better Dredd. Judge corruption was a bit bigger in the movie, a single corrupt judge is rare in the comic.

[@surenoonehasthisnful]

Aside from it being a crap movie when Stallone took off his helmet I knew it was a Judge Dredd movie in name only.

[@SusCalvin]

I think you must resist the temptation to give Dredd character development.

[@f1y7rap]

"... casting urban SAfrica as the shape of things to come..." well its hard to argue as western liberal nations import those same people, that they won't result in similar outcomes...

[@brendanblanks4438]

Can we focus on the most important commentary of this video, please? IT TAKES GLOCK MAGS!

[@lordcastellan4735]

Interesting that you used the homeless person as proof of zealous policing. He gave the guy a warning and told him to move on. The homeless man refused to listen

[@fatherpie7014]

Which I personally think is apt, he's homeless, where would he go that would not eventually result in the same or hasher sentencing? How does Dredd define "move on", is he just on the other side of the street or a block away?

[@SusCalvin]

The city has about 70-80% unemployment. Increasing amounts of manual work is automated. The city has a sort of welfare system so everyone isn't building shacks.

[@deano2160]

Sounds like your a citizen who doesn't believe in the law. Is that sugar in your coffee? 4yrs, isocubes.

[@SusCalvin]

A lot of their laws are reactions to things the justice department see as individually or collectively harmful, cause strife or strain city resources. The city is surrounded by an apocalyptic nightmare, a lot of stuff is simply rationed. I think they added laws in the comic when necessary for a good story. But there are a great many ways to break it.

[@dashy9482]

Drug bust.